A Girl Scout vs. Transgendered Scouts

More than her views, her mean-spiritedness and the cold way she vilifies vulnerable minorities and treats them as deceiving “threats to her safety” is chilling.

via The Slog

Defy her call for a boycott. Buy Girl Scout cookies.

For more on the seriousness and the struggles of transgendered kids, this article from from The Atlantic in 2008 is a must read.

  • Pteryxx

    That is one heck of an article you linked. Definite keeper.

  • Pteryxx

    …Hang on, you’re doing 24 straight hours of blogging? And you need suggestions? >_>

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

    That kid doesn’t deserve to be a Scout — last I checked GSUSA wasn’t about discrimination or bigotry.

  • Happiestsadist

    That is absolutely revolting.

  • jnorris

    The person in the video has not provided any evidence of gender. Why should I believe any of it?

  • barbrykost

    Now, I really, really want to support GSA.
    And buy cookies.

  • MikeMa

    I will buy an extra box of cookies in support of GSA’s progressive stance.

  • http://infinitegames.tumblr.com infinity

    The whole video is terrible, but what bothers me the most is how she keeps saying “transgender boys” when she means “transgender girls.” It’s like she’s found a way to deny their gender on more than one level at once. Disgusting.

  • Stacy

    Does she really think transgender boys are a threat? Or that cisgender boys will pretend to be transgender girls in order to get at her?

    What a smug little shit.

    Speaking of honesty, Little Miss Uptight, why aren’t you honest with us? No mention of religion in that little video screed–yet somehow I think your real objection has more to do with the cross you’re wearing than with any fears for your safety.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

      I think your real objection has more to do with the cross you’re wearing than with any fears for your safety.

      Of course it does. Anything to dismiss her safety concerns.

  • Antonio

    Although I completely disagree with what the girl says, please keep in mind that it is obviously her parents that have put her up to this. She is merely a kid and will probably regret making this video in just a few years. This is the fault of stupid bigot parents and their discriminatory christian beliefs.

    It’s not the poor kid’s fault. That kid will probably suffer a lot of consequences for what her parents just did. This is child abuse.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

      Judge much?

  • Trebuchet

    My mother spent around 30 years as an adult professional with the GSUSA. (NOT GSA, thank you very much.) I myself, a male, was an adult auxiliary member for some time, and worked as a day camp counselor.

    GSUSA has always struck me as a fairly liberal organisation. At least half of Mom’s co-workers were lesbian. Closeted, of course, as was pretty much required at the time, but pretty obvious nonetheless. So it’s not surprising they’d support transgendered kids. As they freakin’ well should. Where does this girl think those kids should go? The Boy Scouts aren’t going to let them in!

    Mom, by the way, would have been just fine with the idea of boycotting the cookie sale! She hated that thing! Lots of hassles for her, leaders stealing the money (oops — I meant “borrowing”), etc. I’m not sure what the point of boycotting the cookie sale is when the girl in the video goes on to promote other means of making money for the same organisation.

  • Wilton

    The whole video is terrible, but what bothers me the most is how she keeps saying “transgender boys” when she means “transgender girls.” It’s like she’s found a way to deny their gender on more than one level at once.

    Does she really think transgender boys are a threat? Or that cisgender boys will pretend to be transgender girls in order to get at her?

    What a smug little shit.

    It’s a teenage girl. And someone here calls her a “smug little shit”.

    What quality people you are. Strike that: what petty bullies you are.

    This girl has the guts to speak up and question whether cis people should be allowed to request that trans people not be able to access ares designated to the particular cis gender.

    What you all seem to do is believe that ALL cis-men are rapists, who magically become women as soon as they identify as trans. Y’all are FUCKED UP.

  • Wilton

    Trebuchet:

    At least half of Mom’s co-workers were lesbian. Closeted, of course, as was pretty much required at the time, but pretty obvious nonetheless. So it’s not surprising they’d support transgendered kids.

    WHY should it not be surprising that lesbians support transgendered people any more than heterosexuals or gay men or asexuals or foot fetishists bestialists or…[add sexual preference here]?

    What does lesbianism have to do with transgendered people? The former is a sexual preference, the latter is a disease of the mind. It would follow from your argument that it “isn’t surprising that lesbians side with schizophrenics”.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

    Hey, Wilton? SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LISTEN.

    Or you can GTFO. I really couldn’t care less which you do, so long as you keep your ignorant hate to yourself.

    • Wilton

      Thank you for your considered response, my reply has been posted at http://www.ignorantfuckface.com.hk

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

      Thank Bast (and the programmers!) for the killfile script!

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  • Reality Chic

    Quote: “I will make sure to buy extra cookies this year, ignoramus.” End quote.

  • Stevarious

    Where does this girl think those kids should go? The Boy Scouts aren’t going to let them in!

    To hell, obviously. A boy who wants to be a girl is obviously beyond any consideration to these bigots.

    It’s a teenage girl. And someone here calls her a “smug little shit”.

    What quality people you are. Strike that: what petty bullies you are.

    I don’t usually like to feed trolls, but it seems clear to me that she IS a smug little shit. Did you now see the video, where she smugly spews the verbal shit she’s been fed all over the place? I did, and it was pretty gross.
    Being a teenage girl does not make you immune to criticism.

    This girl has the guts to speak up and question whether cis people should be allowed to request that trans people not be able to access ares designated to the particular cis gender.

    No, that’s not what she did. Instead, she spoke up and demanded that her position be made universal throughout the organization. Don’t get me wrong – the act in and of itself is not the problem. Stands like this have been made in the past, to good effect. And certainly, you cannot fault her courage in this matter – any more than you could fault the courage of a suicide bomber.
    That doesn’t make her right.
    She is wrong, very wrong. Her position is ignorant and bigoted. Her fears are baseless and petty, and it is not right that an entire group of people should be shunned because she fears them out of ignorance. And it is certainly not right that an organization like GSUSA should be made to suffer for being accepting and inclusive – that is, for doing the right thing.

    What you all seem to do is believe that ALL cis-men are rapists, who magically become women as soon as they identify as trans.

    That is one of the stupidest, most hatefully ignorant straw men I’ve ever seen. You should be painfully embarrassed to have written those words in public. I mean this in all seriousness -if I had vomited something THIS abjectly awful in a public forum, as you have, I would be too embarrassed to ever log into any forum ever again under that screen name. It’s THAT bad.
    But since me pointing this out won’t have any effect on you (because of the aforementioned hateful ignorance), let me just remind you that myself and probably nearly half of the commenters so far are cis-men and no one here thinks they are rapists – and I daresay no one here believes in magic, either.

    Y’all are FUCKED UP.

    By your standards, I’ll take that as a compliment.

    What does lesbianism have to do with transgendered people? The former is a sexual preference, the latter is a disease of the mind.

    It was only quite recently that lesbianism was referred to as a ‘disease of the mind’, with almost the exact same justification as is now used towards towards transgendered. (Indeed, it still is by some presidential candidates, reminding us that the problem is by no means done away with.)
    It seems quite clear to me that both issues are a matter of preference – the former is a person, born female, who prefers to have sexual and romantic relations with women. The latter is a person, born a male, who prefers to live and act as a woman. How, exactly, do you go about declare that one is a preference and the other is a disease with such certainty?

    It would follow from your argument that it “isn’t surprising that lesbians side with schizophrenics”.

    Certainly it would be LESS surprising – in my experience (anecdotal, to be sure) lesbians and other members of groups that are outside the norm tend to be more sympathetic towards other outsiders, such as the mentally ill. This is not universal, of course – plenty of lesbians hate transgendered people out of ignorance.

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

    So which sex ed class should these “transgendered” children attend? Do we send the boys who think they are girls to the girls’ class so they can learn about natural development from girl to woman, menstruating, being pregnant, and other issues that they will never, ever have to deal with? Conversely, do we send the girls who think they are boys to the boys’ class to learn about testicular cancer, erections, semen, “wet dreams,” and other topics they will never, ever have to deal with?

    • http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

      I would imagine these kids, having to figure out their genders and their bodies for themselves far more than the average kid, are far better equipped in terms of sex ed issues than the average kid.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

      Oh, okay. Well, other than actually not answering my questions, I see you have concluded that “transgendered” children don’t need sex ed.

    • Happiestsadist

      Why on earth would there be segregated sex ed classes? Is there something wrong with you?

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

      There have always been segregated sex ed classes. My 5th grade son just had one a few weeks ago, in fact.

  • http://www.lubierude.pl rude włosy

    Awesome! I totally need one of those for my front window next Halloween. Any chance of selling them (cheap) ?

  • Juice

    So, what is that article (Boy’s Life) trying to say in the first few paragraphs? That genders are defined by clothing, hair length, and choice of colors? All you have to do is dress and act “like a girl” to be one. Did you know that Al Jolson was transracial?

  • Juice

    That kid doesn’t deserve to be a Scout — last I checked GSUSA wasn’t about discrimination or bigotry.

    They’re so against discrimination that they won’t let boys join.

  • Juice

    The whole video is terrible, but what bothers me the most is how she keeps saying “transgender boys” when she means “transgender girls.”

    How about Brandon from the “Boy’s Life” article? He considers himself to be a boy.

    “Are you transgender?”

    “What’s that?” Brandon asked.

    “A boy who wants to be a girl.”

    “Yeah. Can I see your balloon?”

    Brandon agrees that he is a boy that wants to be a girl, so in his eyes he’s a transgender boy.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

    Jinxie, you do realize that every hetero man is going to have to deal with “women’s issues” at some point, and that every hetero woman is gonna have to deal with erections and semen at some point, right?

  • docslacker

    I can’t see the original video anymore, it’s been made private. But from the clip I managed to see, that poor Cadet Scout is deluded. “Girls need to feel safe.” Why does she find small boys so threatening? Eeek… creatures with penises are evil!

    And I went to that honest “girl scout” page, and boy do they give me the creeps.

  • leftwingfox

    Yeah, I had those as a kid too. I have no idea why, outside outdated moral shame regarding sex and the division of the sexes. It strikes me as a profoundly stupid idea, and I’d happily solve the problem of transgendered segregaton by desegregating those early sex ed classes.

  • leftwingfox

    embed fail… that should have been in reply to Jinx McHue’s post on segregated sex ed classes.

    How many times do I have to hit “reply” to actually reply?

  • Stevarious

    It’s ridiculous nonsense to have segregated sex ed classes. Mine weren’t segregated when I had them over 20 years ago, and my son’s were not either last year. What kind of blinkered prudish morons segregate this stuff? Obviously both genders need all of this information. What man goes through life without ever having to deal with a menstruating woman? Even the gay ones have a good chance of running into one several times a day. Does anyone really thing that reinforcing the whole ‘men and women can’t understand each other’ meme is a good idea, and want to promote it by denying people a proper basic education about the subject?

  • Rumtopf

    Oh I see, we’re going by a little kid’s simple concept of transgender, not the established sociological definitions. Lols.

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

    Well, then perhaps you could explain to everyone why 10-year-old boys need to learn about menstruation, tampons, breast development, and other developmental issues for girls or why 10-year-old girls need to learn about erections, semen, “wet dreams,” etc. Given my recollection of my experience with the segregated classes at that age, the majority of the boys weren’t even mature enough to handle the information being given to them about themselves. There’s no way it would’ve been appropriate or helpful for them to learn about girls’ issues. There would’ve been many times more snickers, guffaws and inappropriate commentary and nobody would’ve learned anything.

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

    Hmm… The reply problem just happened to me, too. It worked earlier for me. Anyway, that last response was for leftwingfox.

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

    Anyway, the video is now private, so you call all be very proud that your side has bullied this young girl into silence with vicious, hateful and vulgar comments to her video/channel. Congrats.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

    Jinxie, you’re a moron.

    There wouldn’t be all that giggling and embarrassment if kids of ALL sexes were taught from day one the proper medical terms, and not SHAMED for being curious about their parts! It’s fucking PRUDERY that’s the cause of these separated classes. PRUDERY. Not any innate sense of shame or fear.

    And you know what? Teaching little girls about little boy bodies (and vice versa) will also help reduce teasing and embarrassment when the kids hit puberty and have the inevitable public erection or period disaster.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty

    BTW, the “reply” function is still borked.

  • julian

    Well, then perhaps you could explain to everyone why 10-year-old boys need to learn about menstruation, tampons, breast development, and other developmental issues for girls -Jinx McHue

    Because it’s basic sexual health information and it’s downright irresponsible to present a subject while omitting the basics of it?

    Teaching little girls about little boy bodies (and vice versa) will also help reduce teasing and embarrassment when the kids hit puberty and have the inevitable public erection or period disaster.-WMDKitty

    Stigmatization of sex leads to so much bully and harassment among children and teens I don’t get why some people insist on encouraging it.

  • julian

    I see the transphobes came out for this piece. Scared witless of sex and bodies outside what they consider the norm have decided no sex education and that trans children need to be forced into the gender they’ve selected for them. What absolutely wonderful people.

    *puke*

  • docslacker

    Because, statistically speaking, most of those boys will date girls who will menstruate, get boobs, etc. And one day hopefully when they are physically and mentally ready, most of those boys will have (gasp) sexual intercourse with (equally mature) girls and need to know the mechanics of pregnancy and how to avoid it. And because many of those boys have a really big chance of become fathers to at lead one girl.

    Boys and girls need the same information, given out in an age appropriate manner.

  • Floyd