Online Harassment of Women as a Game

Anita Sarkeesian’s story of the jaw dropping disgusting hate she received needs to be heard:

It’s not just her experiencing this. It’s woman after woman who speak their minds online. It’s got to stop and it takes systematic efforts to stop it.

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  • gazerbeam

    Men get the same treatment. But when it happens to them (100% of the time you ever log online, in the internet and gaming communities), it isn’t misandry.
    But it’s always misogyny when it happens to women.

    And no one forget the fact that she is the one attacking the gaming industry. She struck first. She ignores all the male tropes in gaming, and calls all the males of the industry sexist/misogynist.

    • LeftWingFox

      Men don’t get nearly that level of abuse, it isn’t misandry because it’s not targeted at them because they’re guys. It wouldn’t be misogyny if they were criticizing her, and not threatening to rape her.

      She was criticizing one section of the industry. “Struck first” is irrelevant when the response is so incredibly disproportionate (may as well justify the murder of blasphemers because they “struck first”) and yes, she is’t calling out male tropes, but that’s not to say no-one else can.

    • RobMcCune

      No one has ever demeaned me because I am a man, so you’re right it isn’t misandy. I have however seen men demean women simply because they’re women, and that is misogyny when it happens to women.

      “She struck first.”

      Right, because she harassed thousands of men with slurs and threats. Oh wait, she didn’t. All she did was announce a kickstarter to study sexism in video games. Of course I don’t expect any of this to sink in since calling out bs is “striking first”, and we all know the kind of retribution that demands.

    • http://oolon.co.uk oolon

      Bullshit! As a man who has annoyed a few MRAs and general male assholes I can say whenever women step into the same fray they often start screaming about bitches, cunts, rape whatever you can think of… So yeah women get it because they are women and somehow they think it is fine to get at them by demeaning them because of their gender. I’m insulted for things I’ve said or general insults about my obvious lack of intelligence etc. So absolute crap to cite ‘misandry’ …

    • jose

      No, men don’t get the same treatment. Tell me the last time you had to pretend to be a woman in order to avoid constant insults. That’s common practice for the other side.

  • LeftWingFox

    Oh, and “and calls all the males of the industry sexist/misogynist.” is a total lie, and good evidence that you have no clue what you’re talking about.

  • Jack

    I am a male gamer and the worst I endure is being called homophobic slurs online. I have never been threatened with rape, told to show my breasts or get out or been told to leave the game because of my gender. Standing up to bullying is not “striking first”.

  • gazerbeam

    I’ve been playing online games for 13 years. The simple fact is that all the random, impersonal crap that gets thrown around online is simply whatever they think is the most insulting. It has nothing to do with hatred of women. They just want to be generally insulting, and have no other way to get it out.

    Homophobic slurs are extremely common- there are numbers swept from twitter and elsewhere that the word ‘fag’ is directed at males by both males and females way more often than other insults.

    It is all impersonal, though.
    And by the way, nice straw man, RobMcCune. What she is doing is trying to stifle an art form. Oh, she was just studying sexism in videogames? Then how come on the original kickstarter, at the very beginning, from the outset she was already calling the entire industry misogynist?

    All the while wholly ignoring all the male tropes. As all of you continue to do. I wonder why no one is addressing the male tropes. I guess THOSE are just dumb tropes, right? They don’t mean anything, because they are simply images of men.

    K. Done here.

    • Ciaphas

      “All the while wholly ignoring all the male tropes. As all of you continue to do. I wonder why no one is addressing the male tropes. I guess THOSE are just dumb tropes, right? They don’t mean anything, because they are simply images of men.”

      I notice your comment totally failed to address the rise of mobile gaming taking away market share from more traditional forms of gaming. You obviously know nothing about gaming because you failed to address my pet issue. I have to wonder what your hidden agenda is for not discussing what I want to talk about. While I could talk about this myself, I have decided that you should do it instead and I demand you cease talking about your own interests. /bad satire

    • Eli

      “The simple fact is that all the random, impersonal crap that gets thrown around online is simply whatever they think is the most insulting. It has nothing to do with hatred of women.”
      If not, then why is it that what these people find “most insulting” to say is things that are often portrayed (accurately or not) as non-masculine? If they don’t hate women, if they don’t hate gays, then why would focusing on those things be considered insulting?

      I’m also not clear on what “male tropes” you’re referring to, so it’s hard to address that.

  • http://ladyatheist.blogspot.com LadyAtheist

    This is why I don’t use my RL name on my blog

  • http://mitchellbpowell.wordpress.com Mitchell Powell

    Help me out here. What on earth does the phrase “male tropes” refer to?

    • LeftWingFox

      I’m guessing the idea of male disposability and the idealized male body; those are the two they always seem to whine about.

      And yes, they are a thing, but the former is a consequence of the same sexist system which sees women as non-combatants, and the latter assumes male players seeking a power fantasy in male avatars and a sexual fantasy from female avatars. Discussion of those tropes outside an egalitarian (i.e. feminist) view tends to be a pretty shallow conversation.

    • gazerbeam

      The unrealistic depiction of males in videogames. Use a dictionary to look up the word trope, next time. And the subject matter is videogames. Tropes in videogames.

      My problem is that feminists don’t even attempt to claim that there is a disproportionate number of females tropes over male tropes. No- they don’t even acknowledge the existence of male tropes to that degree, or for that matter, any degree at all.

      “I notice your comment totally failed to address the rise of mobile gaming taking away market share from more traditional forms of gaming. You obviously know nothing about gaming because you failed to address my pet issue. I have to wonder what your hidden agenda is for not discussing what I want to talk about. While I could talk about this myself, I have decided that you should do it instead and I demand you cease talking about your own interests. /bad satire”

      Except I was making an argument that there is in fact neither misogyny or misandry- but just dumb, failed insults that are impersonal and random.

      Any other questions?

  • jose

    I linked a video related to this, got swallowed by the spam filter I think. Second attempt!


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