Video of The Camels With Hammers Show Ohio Holocaust Memorial Special


Or watch this other version (they’re identical) if that one doesn’t work for you.

Last night I sat down with a number of atheist activists, including the PR director for American Atheists, to discuss the FFRF letter opposing the proposed design for a Holocaust memorial in Ohio on statehouse grounds. In my opinion, it was an extraordinary, balanced, insightful, and brisk debate that should expand anyone’s view of the issue, no matter what side they on. I’ll say more soon and hope to have a transcript available very quickly. The video is long but I really think it is worth it to anyone who cares about church and state separation. Please share it around. In the comments section, please put timestamps of moments that you think casual viewers should especially pay attention to.

Finally, let me earnestly thank all the participants for their rigor, their passion, their clarity, their thoughtfulness, their willingness to listen to one another, and their civility. I am very proud of what we did together here. This was a model of how I envision a rationalist, freethought movement should work out its internal differences and come to wise decisions, and that was ultimately their doing, not mine. And let me give immense thanks to Bobby Struck and Alex Songe for helping me with the logistics behind the scenes to make this whole event go off without a hitch.

UPDATE: There is now a transcript for the video.

Your Thoughts?

About Daniel Fincke

Dr. Daniel Fincke  has his PhD in philosophy from Fordham University and spent 11 years teaching in college classrooms. He wrote his dissertation on Ethics and the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. On Camels With Hammers, the careful philosophy blog he writes for a popular audience, Dan argues for atheism and develops a humanistic ethical theory he calls “Empowerment Ethics”. Dan also teaches affordable, non-matriculated, video-conferencing philosophy classes on ethics, Nietzsche, historical philosophy, and philosophy for atheists that anyone around the world can sign up for. (You can learn more about Dan’s online classes here.) Dan is an APPA  (American Philosophical Practitioners Association) certified philosophical counselor who offers philosophical advice services to help people work through the philosophical aspects of their practical problems or to work out their views on philosophical issues. (You can read examples of Dan’s advice here.) Through his blogging, his online teaching, and his philosophical advice services each, Dan specializes in helping people who have recently left a religious tradition work out their constructive answers to questions of ethics, metaphysics, the meaning of life, etc. as part of their process of radical worldview change.

  • AskAnAtheistBecky

    Dan, your comment that expressed dismay that some Holocaust memorials and/or museums aren’t Jewish enough or holocausty enough is ridiculous…to put it nicely.

    • http://camelswithhammers.com/ Dan Fincke Camels With Hammers

      I’m not happy I came out with the tacky word “Holocausty”, but it’s not a ridiculous concern. It’s been an issue for others with abstract Holocaust memorials unclear what they’re about http://architecture.about.com/od/greatbuildings/ss/holocaust.htm

  • Joe Enabnit

    People are talking past each other. I don’t think Dave and the other pro-FFRF folks understand that everyone in this room would like to see more representation for the other groups who were persecuted in the holocaust. The problem here is that no amount of principled correctness and stubborn righteous fortitude will make this lawsuit a bad idea, both because of the bad precedent it will set when FFRF loses and because of the bad press that comes with the headline “Atheists Oppose Holocaust Memorial.”

    • ChanaM

      Did you mean “make this lawsuit a good idea”?

  • http://www.geekexile.com/ Brian Fields

    Thank you so much for inviting me Dan! I felt privileged to be part of this.

  • http://www.cautionchurchahead.com/ Steve Ahlquist

    Dan, I think you meant FFRF, not JREF.

  • Ralph1Waldo

    I’m becoming increasingly convinced that American Atheists is an organization of obtuse morons.

    • Berry

      I think the letter was appropriate, if perhaps it could have been worded differently. A suit would make me less sympathetic, but at the moment, I see no reason to conclude that AA or FFRF have done anything wrong.

    • 3lemenope

      Wrong as in morally? No. Wrong as in counterproductive to one’s own goals? Probably.

  • Ralph1Waldo

    The fact that we even have to be having this conversation is extremely depressing. Thank you, Dan. And thank the universe for James Croft.


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