From the Mailbag: Weekend Kookery Edition

The last time I did a post like this, it was to share some of the more uplifting and inspiring e-mails I received. This one is headed in a different direction. Here, for your reading pleasure and amusement, enjoy this selection of kookery culled from e-mails I’ve gotten, as well as the occasional preaching comment I’ve rejected from Daylight Atheism.

First up, there’s this from “wayofthegoldenlion”, which starts off as standard creationist drivel but builds up steam as it goes, until it suddenly blasts off into awesome heights of lunacy:

As for myself, I believe that science has proved that there has to be a creator (The best mathematicians, physicists, biologists, astronomers,etc all admit they cannot explain how the DNA data gets into each cell/gene and can only be put there by intelligent design. But a campaign of disinformation from the atheist scientific communtity was exposed on British TV (I have the documentary), that proves that even the atheists admitted in secret scientific unpublished journals that all organic life in the universe had to come from a designer creator, and cannot appear randomly. The documentary exposed these findings and carried the atheist scientists through to their final statement and conclusion (which was pretty weak) that all artificial intelligence can appear randomly, but they admit that all organic life has to have a creator. THAT WAS THE COVER UP! THIS WAS EXPOSED AND THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WERE INFILTRATED BY OCCULT SECRET SOCIETIES AND PAID TO NOT PUBLISH THEIR FINDINGS. (MOSTLY HIGH RANKING FREEMASONS, ROSICRUCIANS, ORDER TEMPLAR ORIENTALIS,ETC). tHE DOCUMENTARY PART 2 STATES THAT 90% OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION BUT AGREE WITH CHRISTIANS SCIENTISTS THAT NATURAL SELECTION IS A CORRECT THESIS, BUT THEY CANNOT ADMIT THIS, BECAUSE THEIR FUNDS WILL BE STOPPED BY POWERFUL INSTITUTES CONTROLLED BY THESE OCCULT FREEMASONS/BUSINESSMEN WHO OWN MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS

“Secret unpublished scientific journals”. Gotta love it. There’s considerable potential here for a Christian-fundamentalist version of The Da Vinci Code – our brave hero races against time to find the secret journals and uncover the scientific conspiracy! If only we could find some bold author who’s equal to the task.

Next, this comment from “John”, who evidently doesn’t think that preaching the gospel is important enough to justify spellcheck:

hey why dont u guys jsrt stop hating on everything and chillax and read about Jesus (whose da bomb) cuz otherwise when ur dead ur gunna be like “man that dude on the athiest website knew his stuff.”

The translators of the King James Bible must be turning over in their graves. Whatever else we can say about that book, its language is often beautiful and poetic as only Shakespearean English can be. This comment – not so much. (“Verily, Jesus spake unto the multitude: ‘O ye fools and blind, can ye not discern that God the Father is da bomb?’”)

There’s also this anonymous commenter, whose keen insight allowed him to divine the true reason so many people are atheists:

WOw.. you guys are amazing. except for one thing. even if GOD did exsist you’d never know it, cause if ever He did something you’d justify and explain it away. and the reason for this is simple. most of you are addicted to porn or masturbation or alchohol or whatever(please don’t reply with what good people you are or what great things you do or how noble you are). and you want to keep doing what you are.

Curses! Found out! And we’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling Christians!

Finally, there’s this e-mail I got a few weeks ago from someone with the disturbingly Naziesque handle of “The Cure”. He starts out with the usual apologetic blather, but then suddenly decides to veer in another direction and start preaching about abortion and homosexuality, despite saying he has no idea what I believe about either (it’s not hard to find out if you look). I can only surmise that the thought of “atheism” rattled around inside his brain until it activated the more general category of “things I dislike”. And why do so many homophobes target their invective at gay men and rarely, if ever, mention lesbians? Could it be that they focus on the topics they find simultaneously the most fascinating and repelling – and if so, what does that imply about them?

Dear Atheist,

I came across your website and wonder why someone would be so driven to disprove the existence of God? Perhaps your lifestyle does not line up with religious people who believe in God propagate? Just curious. Or perhaps you think hypocracy in the church disproves the existence of God. That is a fallible argument. If a man has been faithful to his wife, provided for his children, and has lived by good moral standards (although I know this is probably subjective to you), but then has a son who gets married, cheats on his wife, and abuses the children, does that disprove the existence of the father? Seriously, a hypocrite does not prove God does not exist, it just proves the Devil does!

I agree that every person is inherently designed to be able to judge between issues of morality on some level; therefore, even you could make some good judgments. But to deny the existence of something greater takes more faith than those who believe in a God.

Two topics that I believe are important to this society and its existence are homosexuality and abortion. I do not know what you believe about these, yet, by natural law even aside from any religious basis they can be judged as wrong!

I am a religious person and I do not want to be vulgar; however, I am sure you are adult enought to handle this statement. Does not common sense tells us that if two different kinds of the same species have different genitalia, and that if used together reproduction is accomplished, then they are made to live together and have a family? The rectum region is existent for both man and women. It is used by both for the same purpose. Yet, the genitalia region is used for another purpose in general; that is to reproduce. Although, the rectum region can be used between man and man to have sensual pleasure, it does not appear to have been “created” or in your terms “evolved” for that use in specific. The main use is to excrete waste. Does not common sense also tells us that since a man and women’s genitalia are in same location but are different and fit together like a puzzle, then do you not think man and women belong together? Not man and man, women and women. For just a moment, let us say that everyone decided to be in homosexual relations without the ability by modern science to reproduce in a test tube. If that had happened during the “dark ages” we would not even be here today! The homosexual life style does not promote a constructive foundation of the existence of the world, it brings it to an end!

Abortion is murder. To defend one’s life is not murder, that is justice. Capital punishment is justice. Can a baby defend itself? I think not, therefore, abortion is murder.

Perhaps you believe aborition and homosexuality to be wrong. If you do, then you have proved my premise. Even atheists can make some good jugdments. Yes, I believe you can have values; however, this society will crumble if we do not change. Our values need to be based on a higher standard, the Bible! The Roman Empire fell because of the lack of values! Two of their immoral practices were homosexuality, and senseless killing!

My purpose in writing this was to show aside from the Bible, one can prove something to be wrong by its own nature!

The Cure

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  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    most of you are addicted to porn or masturbation or alchohol or whatever(please don’t reply with what good people you are or what great things you do or how noble you are). and you want to keep doing what you are.

    I masturbate to Daylight Atheism on an almost daily basis while I fantasize about performing late term abortions on teenage girls. Man, I am so busted now!

  • Boudica

    What a bunch of wackaloons! Didn’t the Roman Empire fall AFTER it adopted Christianity?

  • mikespeir

    “hypocracy?” What, “rule by the underclass” or something?

    Perhaps you believe aborition and homosexuality to be wrong. If you do, then you have proved my premise.

    Let me guess. If you support the rights of homosexuals and the right to abortion, you will also prove him right.

  • Weemaryanne

    “Hypocracy” is everywhere. What makes the word “hypocrisy” so difficult to spell, I wonder.

  • Christopher

    So… Just what were these guys trying to say anyway? I saw nothing even remotely resembling a coherant arguement in those letters.

  • Mathew Wilder

    Tommykey, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

    Nothing gets me hotter than reading about how god doesn’t exist (even though I know he does, and just choose to pretend otherwise), coupled with thoughts of eating aborted baby fetuses grilled medium-rare. Yum! Oh god, oh god! I just jizzed in my pants thinking about it.

  • Raven

    To summarize:

    “You might not think how I do. If so, this is because you’re a Bad Person and you’re lying to yourself. Gay is bad because you shouldn’t put your pee-pee into the pooper, cuz it can’t make babies. Oh, and abortion is murder ‘cuz God said so. Stopping the gay and the abortion are the most important things in the world, cuz they make God mad. If we fix those, God will be happy with us and fix everything else for us.”

  • 2-D Man

    I masturbate to Daylight Atheism on an almost daily basis while I fantasize about performing late term abortions on teenage girls. Man, I am so busted now!

    Pfft! I do all that while drunk! And the teenage girls are homosexual too!

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Matt! Better call the jizz mopper!

    I addressed the “you atheists just want to rebel against god so you can sin” argument here:

    http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com/2007/11/atheism-as-rebellion-against-god.html

  • 4oz of reason

    “The Roman Empire fell because of the lack of values! Two of their immoral practices were homosexuality, and senseless killing!”

    I always love hearing this argument against homosexuality, and not just because it shows that this person slept through most of history class and therefore doesn’t understand that events are rarely (if ever) due to a single cause. Several historians have argued that in addition to the disease, wars, and political corruption, the rise of Christianity also contributed to Rome’s fall, since the focus on pritvate, personal salvation seriously detracted from the public civil service values that the Empire depended on.

  • http://frozeneggsrppl2.blogspot.com Bertha

    The translators of the King James Bible must be turning over in their graves.

    They’re in Heaven, where you’ll never go. Soak yourself in a bath of patchooly oil, hippy scientist. God loves a well marinated rotisserie Atheist on His perfectly heated spits in the deepest pits of Hell. Your flesh will be a nice golden brown ala El Pollo Loco.

  • Alex, FCD

    The best mathematicians, physicists, biologists, astronomers,etc all admit they cannot explain how the DNA data gets into each cell/gene and can only be put there by intelligent design.

    Well, I can’t speak for the mathematicians, physicists and astronomers, but we biologists figured out how mitosis works some time ago and have moved on to the more pressing problem of how caramel gets into certain chocolate bars without the aid of a deity.

  • Justin

    Quick! To the FSTDTmobile! (cue Batman music).

    Really, Ebonmuse, you ought to submit these e-mails to FSTDT. I’ve been cruising the archives there, alternating between laughter and despair (for the human race’s future).

    Next, this comment from “John”, who evidently doesn’t think that preaching the gospel is important enough to justify spellcheck:

    Yeah, I’ve noted a lack of proper spelling in the FSTDT examples as well. Spellcheck must be of the devil.

  • http://she-who-chatters.blogspot.com/ D

    …and to think, I was worried that proclaiming my fondness for sex and drugs would make me stand out!

    I imagine this kind of dialogue unfolding on a children’s playground: “Hey! Stop doing that thing that way!” “What? Why?” “You can’t!” “Says who?” “Says God!” “Well, that’s between me & God, then. Until he decides to do something about it, I’ll carry on doing what I like.” And then the other kid engages in an hour-long session of hand-wringing I mean, “prayer.” And then goes and complains to the teachers to get the rules changed because the other kids aren’t playing with their toys right.

    What is wrong with these people?

  • Soulless Wolf

    It is my personal opinion that people who say garbage like this should just be dismissed all together. They aren’t the people on the fence about this topic at all and no amount of evidence will do any bit of good towards convincing them. They were born bigots and they will die bigots, though they would probably use different words to describe themselves.

    I’d no sooner waste my time arguing with fundamentals like this than I would arguing with someone who thought that the Jews were behind both world wars.

  • http://gretachristina.typepad.com/ Greta Christina

    I love how obsessed homophobes are, not just with gay sex, but with anal sex. I notice very few rabid homophobes arguing that the mouth isn’t intended for reproduction…

    But really, my favorite counter to this “argument” came from Dan Savage. In response to the “your rectum wasn’t designed for sex” argument, he points out that our noses weren’t designed to keep our glasses up, either — but nobody seems to consider that a sin.

    And I also never fail to be entertained by the “you’re an atheist because you don’t want to be held back from sin” argument. Right. Because religion has done such an excellent job in holding back people from sinning. Just look at the fine examples of Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Richard Roberts, Jim Bakker…

    On the other hand, Jesus is da bomb. Gee, I’d never seen that argument before. I am now convinced.

  • Leum

    In response to the “your rectum wasn’t designed for sex” argument, he points out that our noses weren’t designed to keep our glasses up, either — but nobody seems to consider that a sin.

    Blasphemy! As the great Master Pangloss said, “Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord has a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best.”

  • mikespeir

    Tommykey,

    It occurs to me to ask why those teenage girls are in need of abortions. You wouldn’t have anything to do with that, would you?

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Oh, I don’t care how they got pregnant Mike, I’m just fantasizing about performing the abortions.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Oh, that reminds me, as a practical joke, I wish I could go past some anti-abortion demonstrators into a clinic with two women who looked very pregnant (prosthetics, of course!) and then walk out an hour later with them sans pregnant bellies and when I walk past the demonstrators, shout out with glee, “Wowee! I just saved myself a fortune in child support payments!”

  • Reginald Selkirk

    THAT WAS THE COVER UP! THIS WAS EXPOSED AND THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WERE INFILTRATED BY OCCULT SECRET SOCIETIES AND PAID TO NOT PUBLISH THEIR FINDINGS.

    Hey, where’s my check?

  • http://www.whyihatejesus.blogspot.com/ OMGF

    The rectum region is existent for both man and women. It is used by both for the same purpose. Yet, the genitalia region is used for another purpose in general; that is to reproduce.

    How many kids does this guy have if he’s using his wanger to reproduce more often than he excretes waste with it? Or does he just not pee?

  • http://www.myspace.com/driftwoodduo Steve Bowen

    Damn! And I wanted to be the most immoral atheist ever. If only I’d realised not believing in a god gave me carte blanche to do anything I liked I would have tried flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality long ago (or would I just be flogging a dead horse?).

  • Tom

    Spellchecking and proofreading are essentially acts of thoughtfulness and consideration for your audience, not to mention symptomatic of an attention to detail and a desire for accuracy, so I suppose it’s not terribly surprising that you don’t often see evidence of them in rants fuelled by aggression and vague, unrigorous thought.

  • http://liquidthinker.wordpress.com LiquidThinker

    Egads! I didn’t think anybody knew about the super secret unpublished scientific journals. I guess the jig is up. My Illuminati contacts are going to be quite miffed. At least it looks like the secret handshake has not yet been revealed. Yes, we’ve known for some time about the Designer, but public knowledge of this existence is contrary to our nefarious purposes. So, we have long striven to create diversions. Planting fossils, optical illusions (Still think the moons of Jupiter are real? Ha! That’s how we got Galileo.), the internet, blogs, and of course, Battlestar Galactica. Alas, it looks as though “wayofthegoldenlion” has us on the run.

  • Juergen

    most of you are addicted to porn or masturbation or alchohol or whatever

    Good thing the kitten rituals are still secret.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism Ebonmuse

    THAT WAS THE COVER UP! THIS WAS EXPOSED AND THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WERE INFILTRATED BY OCCULT SECRET SOCIETIES AND PAID TO NOT PUBLISH THEIR FINDINGS.

    Hey, where’s my check?

    I want to know that too, damn it! I’ve been doing my part promoting evolution on this blog nearly every week for three years, and so far, not one lousy dollar from the Rosicrucians. They owe me back pay and residuals. If they don’t pay up soon, I may have to stop supporting the conspiracy!

  • Alex Weaver

    (“Verily, Jesus spake unto the multitude: ‘O ye fools and blind, can ye not discern that God the Father is da bomb?’”)

    This must have been in the Gospel of Eric Rudolph.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Alex, I thought it was from the Book of Armaments!

  • valhar2000

    Soulless Wolf wrote:

    [...]the Jews were behind both world wars.

    They weren’t?

  • http://avertyoureye.blogspot.com/ Teleprompter

    @ Tommykey

    The Book of Armaments, Chapter 22?

    Thou shalt count to three, and only three. Not one, not two, unless proceeding directly to three. Not four or five or any other number, but three shall be the number to which thy counteth, sayeth the Lord.

    Dang, you got me: I only became atheist so I could understand Monty Python!

  • abusedbypenguins

    I wonder if there is a poll of mental health workers as to the number of religious people in therapy and on medication vs those of us who are a little more sane and not in therapy or on medication proscribed by shrinks.

  • MS Quixote

    Right. Someone here soiled his armour.

  • TommyP

    Haha if Christians want fewer abortions then they need to give in on gays, because guess what? Fewer people have abortions after too much sex than gay people do.

  • http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    …most of you are addicted to porn or masturbation or alchohol…
    (lengthy pause)…

    Or?

  • Renshia

    “They owe me back pay and residuals. If they don’t pay up soon, I may have to stop supporting the conspiracy!”

    Ebon,
    I talked to friends who know people. They tell me that you are mistaken and they owe you nothing. Your .. your like the bottom level of the pyramid scheme you do all the work and only the top people really profit. However they did say they appreciated your efforts and keep up the good work. In time you will rise to power, you just need to build your downline.
    He did state you could start you own group. get a building… invite people to learn the REAL truth. You could read from the sacred book of “secret scientific unpublished journals”. Tell them to pay you a small percent of their earnings. Say 10% that sounds fair, to spread the word .
    Then, if you jump around and get them all excited, they will bring people in and you will have more money you know what to do with.

    Sounds like good advice to me. Good luck with that.

  • http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com Felicia Gilljam

    Ahahaha. I love it when they call heterosexuality a natural law! It cracks me up. *wipes tears*

  • Ishryal

    @Renshia

    He did state you could start your own group religion. get a building chapel… invite people to learn the REAL truth the gospel. You could read from the sacred book of “secret scientific unpublished journals” bible. Tell them to pay donate to you a small percent of their earnings. Say 10% that sounds fair, to spread the word.
    Then, if you jump around and get them all excited preach fire and brinstone about gays and abortion, they will bring people in and you will have more money you know what to do with.

    Sounds about right…

  • Valhar2000

    Where do people like these guys come from? What produces that sort of mentality?

  • Renshia

    Hey Ishryal,
    We cannot start a covert religion if you expose it in it’s infancy…. Geesh… now we will have to find a new angle….

  • http://dominicself.co.uk Dominic Self

    For just a moment, let us say that everyone decided to be in homosexual relations without the ability by modern science to reproduce in a test tube

    There is nothing more arousing than having sex in a small glass test tube. Fact.

  • nfpendleton

    I hear the Genitalia Region is beautiful this time of year.

  • nfpendleton

    Also, forgot to mention: Your first loon isn’t living up to his potential. Aside from the disappointment I felt when atheists weren’t being called Commies and/or Nazis, I was truly chagrined to see he didn’t include the Elders of Zion in his list of secret sects. Or lizard folk. Can’t forget the lizard folk…

  • http://dominicself.co.uk Dominic Self

    Oh, and I can’t help but puzzle over the ‘what if everyone was gay?!’ argument.

    If all of humanity were wiped out and a small band of Gay Pride astronauts returned to Earth faced with the challenge of repopulating the planet, I dare say they might figure something out to get by.

    If all of humanity were male, on the other hand…

  • boxofbirds

    I always chuckle when I hear that “but their genitals don’t fit together” argument against homosexuality.

    Haven’t these people ever heard of a matching pair?

  • Alex Weaver

    And it’s not like they don’t make an extensive line of adaptors…

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    What cracks me up are the religious people who are against condoms and other birth control devices because they are not “natural”! Maybe they should shun cars and airplanes. Those aren’t natural ways of getting around. They should also refrain from using e-mail or sending text messages. Those are artificial modes of communication. Why is human sexuality the one area of our existence where human invention and ingenuity may be not be applied?

  • http://parkeraduk@hotmail.com parkeraduk

    I read of some recent research (think it was reported in the Telegraph, I’ll ty to find it and post the link)that indicates that the christian teenagers who have joined the chastity movement are now 4 times MORE likely to indulge in anal sex than other groups. Where does that leave our protester? It’s not only homosexuals indulging it’s also some of his beloved christian fundies.

  • JGregson

    “But to deny the existence of something greater takes more faith than those who believe in a God.”

    To ‘deny the existence of’ is not the logical opposite of ‘believe in a God’…

  • BdN

    I always chuckle when I hear that “but their genitals don’t fit together” argument against homosexuality.

    Haven’t these people ever heard of a matching pair?

    Interestingly, this was one of Sade’s argument to justify sodomy, hence homosexuality, since the shape of the anus and the penis were more alike than the vagina (in fact, the vulva). In Philosophie dans le boudoir (or Justine ou les malheurs de la vertu, I’m not sure).

  • http://www.poyt.net ArchangelChuck

    I only became an atheist so I could wear a wool and cotton blend… Who knew it came with all of those extra benefits?

  • Danny

    I’m a Christian and believe in God, but I did greatly enjoy reading through your responses here. Of course, I had opposing views for a few comments that I might as well share and I have no problem with you tearing them apart – it’s always good to have your views tested.

    @Renshia: Obviously the sarcasm is duly noted, and I agree that a lot of these mega-churches (and even smaller ones) do frighteningly resemble an MLM or pyramid scheme, but I thought I should point out that there are a vast majority of churches (mine included) who take extra, sometimes extreme measures to be accountable for their finances. In my church’s case, we vote each year on the salary of all church workers, taking into account market conditions, etc. I realize you didn’t specifically generalize all churches as evil pyramid scheme-esque organizations, I just thought I’d point that out for you.

    @Dominic Self: I don’t agree with homosexuality, but that was a hilarious and well-made point. I’m assuming everyone here realizes that the feelings toward homosexuals that the Christian church is supposed to have is beyond just “tolerance” and “putting up with it” – we are suppose to actually love them and care about them beyond the average diversity accepting requirements of modern culture. Imagine if your child was into hard drugs (and I’m not saying homosexuality is as dangerous as hard drugs – it’s just a convenient example that will mesh as something that is “not healthy” with the average reader out there). You still love your kid wholeheartedly, but what you see them doing is something you definitely don’t condone.

    Eh, anyway – I hope I brought some sort of intelligence dialog in from the “dark side”.

  • Danny

    Of course I go “brought some sort of intelligence dialog” instead of “intelligent dialog”.

    Everyone typos now and then. ;)

  • Alex, FCD

    Danny:

    I’m assuming everyone here realizes that the feelings toward homosexuals that the Christian church is supposed to have is beyond just “tolerance” and “putting up with it” – we are suppose to actually love them and care about them beyond the average diversity accepting requirements of modern culture.

    Well then why is it, exactly, that conservative Christians so consistently fail to do this?

    I hope I brought some sort of intelligence dialog in from the “dark side”.

    As the potential for an ironic typo goes to infinity, the probably that such a typo will actually occur goes to one. Fact.

  • Nes

    Oh, Tommykey, you’re right! Why hadn’t I seen it before? These glasses — they are tools of the devil! Instead of allowing me to see, they were acting as blinders. I know what I must do. I must smash them.

    It id fone.

    Waot,m wht cabn;t O see?

  • Danny

    “Well then why is it, exactly, that conservative Christians so consistently fail to do this?”

    That is a question I wish I could answer and resolve. Hopefully you all can take solace in the fact that some – including myself – are trying very hard to do just that.

    “As the potential for an ironic typo goes to infinity, the probably that such a typo will actually occur goes to one. Fact.”

    Ditto…

  • http://www.myspace.com/driftwoodduo Steve Bowen

    I’m assuming everyone here realizes that the feelings toward homosexuals that the Christian church is supposed to have is beyond just “tolerance” and “putting up with it” – we are suppose to actually love them and care about them beyond the average diversity accepting requirements of modern culture.

    a convenient example that will mesh as something that is “not healthy” with the average reader out there). You still love your kid wholeheartedly, but what you see them doing is something you definitely don’t condone.

    The problem with this Danny is it is the love for an errant child approach. Homosexuals are’nt mis-behaving, they are expressing their nature and insofar as it hurts no-one else, they shoudn’t have to apologise for that.

  • http://dominicself.co.uk Dominic Self

    @Danny – always happy to please! ;-)

    I ask this out of curiosity and a spirit of discovery – not to shout at you – but what exactly is it about homosexuality that you don’t want to condone? The analogy to hard drugs seems to suggest that it’s something you see as dangerous… is this right, or is there more to it than that?

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    I see Christians compare homosexual conduct with drug or alcohol abuse a lot. But here is where the analogy fails. It would be more accurate to compare promiscuous and unprotected gay sex to drug or alcohol abuse. But two people of the same gender who are in a monogamous relationship and use proper protection while giving each other sexual pleasure is more like a person who has a wine with his or her dinner at a restaurant or relaxes with a beer on the couch after a hard day at work. Not terribly dangerous or unhealthy.

  • http://whyihatejesus.blogspot.com OMGF

    Danny,

    I’m assuming everyone here realizes that the feelings toward homosexuals that the Christian church is supposed to have is beyond just “tolerance” and “putting up with it” – we are suppose to actually love them and care about them beyond the average diversity accepting requirements of modern culture.

    I don’t “realize” that at all. How do I know that Fred Phelps isn’t correct and god does “hate fags?” The Bible is not very tolerant of gays. So, how can you proclaim that your way is right and what god wants?

  • http://www.myspace.com/driftwoodduo Steve Bowen

    would be more accurate to compare promiscuous and unprotected gay sex to drug or alcohol abuse.

    Actually it would probably be more accurate to compare any promiscuous and unprotected sex to similar addictive and dangerous behaviours, without singling out homosexuals.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Agreed Steve.