Fruh: Marriage Equality is ‘Heterophobic’

In yet another example of just how deranged the wingnut mind can be, an Alabama pastor named Aaron Fruh went on the AFA’s radio network recently and declared that marriage equality advocates are “heterophobic” and engaged in a “malicious” attack on him for being married to a woman.

I don’t consider myself homophobic and I’d like to reframe this argument on my terms, and I’m insulted for even being called homophobic and insulted that I’m called a bigot because I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. My question is, to the gay community, how did you come into the world in the first place? There’s only one way, through the physical union of a man and a woman and in most cases a married man and a woman, your father and mother. So I want to say to the gay community, why are you so heterophobic? Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage. Why are you so condemning of me because I’m a married man to a woman of the opposite sex and to me that’s the height of bigotry. So I say to the gay community, you’re being quite malicious towards me, a married heterosexual man who believes in traditional marriage values, and you’re prejudiced and hateful towards my right to be committed to the principle of family and marriage.

Wow. That is some serious crazy there.

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  • doktorzoom

    Well, sure. Why not? After all, this is a political culture that labels the NAACP racist, and opposes anti-bullying measures as oppression, so why not?

  • Brownian

    What do you say to an asshole like this?

    “Yeah, you’re right. All of us marriage equality people are just against you. Why, we might even be right. behind. you. this. minute. and. you’d. never. know. because. we. look. like. you. Boo!”

    Betcha this guy chuckled for ten minutes over how clever his little turnaround was.

    I’m a bigot? Uh…um…er…[Inspiration hits] No! You’re a bigot!”

    [Grins from ear-to-ear while wiping hands in ‘mission accomplished’ fashion.]

    That’s some god-inspired genius right there.

  • Who Knows?

    What doktorzoom said.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    <i.My question is, to the gay community, how did you come into the world in the first place? There’s only one way, through the physical union of a man and a woman and in most cases a married man and a woman, your father and mother.

    NEWS FLASH! Bigoted Christian pastor denies the virgin birth.

  • axilet

    What about the term equality does this loon not understand?

  • timberwoof

    Now he’s got his whole flock bleating about how mean we gays are to their dear shepherd, and if we were to say, “No, we’re not saying that,” it would simply reinforce their loyalty for we are, once again, contradicting him. ould trying to be nice work? Well, to some, trying to be nice gets mistaken for weakness, but the retort I feel won’t help either.

    Aaron Frush, quit lying and quit being such a dumb ass!

  • rowanvt

    “Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage.”

    What? Are straight people suddenly going to catch “the gay” and stop having sex with the opposite gender and cease to desire children? The stupid, it burns.

    Honestly, this guy should think of all the babies that WILL be born because of the rights that go along with marriage. Gay couples might be more willing to have children, knowing both parents will be treated exactly as that.

  • Abby Normal

    Why are you so condemning of me because I’m a married man to a woman

    Riiiiight, that’s why people are condemning you, because you’re married. Homosexuals hate marriage, that’s why we fight so hard to be allowed to do it too.

    Someone should really inform pastor Fruh that same-sex marriage isn’t like a new version of Windows. It doesn’t make the old versions obsolete. This it’s more like a patch to address an issue that rendered users with a particular hardware configuration unable to access it. Existing users are unaffected.

  • jamessweet

    I frequent prop8trialtracker.com a lot, and every once in a blue moon you get a commenter who could probably be legitimately described as “heterophobic” (e.g. saying things like “all straight people just want to destroy us”, etc.). As a straight person, I usually just try to ignore it, because I absolutely understand how someone could begin to feel that way after suffering bigotry for so long… and I just feel like it’s unseemly for me to complain about it.

    But the LGBT commenters there typically don’t ignore it. In fact, they are generally quite vocal in trying to explain why that sort of attitude is unacceptable, why straight allies matter, etc.

    The idea that the LGBT community as a whole is heterophobic is just stupid if you’ve actually engaged with the community at all. There may have been a time when there was an anti-straight vibe in the gay community, but my experience has been that most LGBT people are incredibly appreciative of straight allies and eager to eliminate any rhetoric that could be perceived as hostile to straight people.

  • Chiroptera

    …and I’m insulted for even being called homophobic and insulted that I’m called a bigot because I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

    Well, I don’t know whether or not that makes you homophobic. Maybe it does. What definitely does make you homophobic is when you use the power of the state to deny equality under the law to others just because of your subjective beliefs.

    Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage.

    Holy crap!

    Now we have an obligation to people who won’t ever exist? Am I failing in an important moral obligation by not having sex at all?

    Why are you so condemning of me because I’m a married man to a woman of the opposite sex….

    Because every law that is passed and every court ruling that has allowed same sex marriage also included a clause the forbids opposite sex marriage? WTF? Is this clown even aware that the sounds coming out of his mouth are a form of communication?

  • Randomfactor

    I don’t consider myself homophobic

    They never do.

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Well, he is right(*1):

    1. Rights are a zero sum game. When one person gains, another must lose, so for every abnormal marriage one regular marriage has to be dissolved.(*2)

    2. Children can only be conceived in marriage, and

    3. Gayhomocouples, even after stealing a marriage license from a real couple, still can’t have children.

    The maths is unescapable.

    *1. He’s also right that he’s “a married man to a woman of the opposite sex”.

    *2. This was proved statistically after the activistliberalcourts decided Loving v Virginia, when literally numbers of white people lost the right to marry other white people and were forced to marry sexy, exotic asians with their almond eyes, cartoon character-based uniforms and tentacle sex.

  • Blueaussi

    “Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage.”

    .

    Yes! We must stop pre-conception abortions!

  • slc1

    There’s only one way, through the physical union of a man and a woman and in most cases a married man and a woman, your father and mother.

    I have only two words for this asshole. Mary Cheney.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Equal inequality under the law! It’s a RIGHT!

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    What about the term equality does this loon not understand?

    All of it? Or maybe just the “equal” part.

  • noastronomer

    rowanvt #7, and others, beat me to it.

    That sentence right there is worthy of a Bryan Fischer award nomination surely?

  • Captain Mike

    Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage.

    AIEEEEEE! It burns! Help, help, it burns!

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    Abby Normal @ #8:

    Someone should really inform pastor Fruh that same-sex marriage isn’t like a new version of Windows. It doesn’t make the old versions obsolete. This it’s more like a patch to address an issue that rendered users with a particular hardware configuration unable to access it. Existing users are unaffected.

    That’s the best, simplest metaphor I’ve seen that might help people understand why marriage equality does not affect hetero couples’ marriages.

    On the contrary, the “patch” makes the whole system better and stronger for all users.

    The advance of marriage equality for my LGBT friends and neighbors HAS affected me, to tell the truth, and I mean this seriously: As a hetero woman, I no longer take my ability to marry whom I please for granted. Mr Q and I celebrate 30 years of marriage this spring, and I want to be sure that EVERYONE has that right, not just me and people like me. I have become a vocal, “out” advocate and ally.

    A core “family value” is the ability to form and sustain a family. For many people, marriage is how they choose to form a family. One would think that the “Family Values” people on the right would see that and support it for all people. (I know, I know.)

    Love is good.

  • http://iamaperture.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger

    It’s official, Conservative English has finally departed the mainstream tongue and become its own language. Black is white, up is down, equality is bigotry.

  • rikitiki

    This –

    “…a married heterosexual man who believes in traditional marriage values…” According to their biblical ‘traditional marriage values’ they should be able to have multiple wives, concubines, and female slaves. As well as forcing their brother’s widows to marry them. Oh, and let’s not forget stoning women who are not virgins on their wedding nights.

    Have I left any other ‘traditional marriage values’ out?

  • slc1

    Re Abby Normal @ #8

    Not to be pedantic here but most patches to Windows (and OSX for that matter) are security patches/

  • http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/ Bronze Dog

    So, let me see if I understand this idea of discrimination against the unconceived: Let’s say I decide to stay home on a Saturday afternoon and play Minecraft. Someone in a Starfleet uniform materializes in my room and threatens to sue me for violating his great-great grandfather’s right to exist because I didn’t go to the local game store to pick up a copy of Mass Effect 3, and thus I didn’t meet the girl of my dreams because I wasn’t there to grab the game case at the same moment she did, thus we never met, never compared geek cred, never dated, never married, and never had kids. It’s so unfair to his timeline.

    Kids, don’t discriminate against the unconceived. Buy mainstream titles from brick and mortar stores. Downloadable indie games murder the unconceived.

    Oh, and apparently homosexuals should enter loveless heterosexual marriages as a duty to someone’s arbitrarily preferred future timeline, but not any other alternative future.

  • cptdoom

    Yes! We must stop pre-conception abortions!

    So we should outlaw masturbation?

    I have only two words for this asshole. Mary Cheney.

    Are you saying she’s a pod person not created by a man and a woman? Well, that explains how creepy and weird the Cheney family is.

    In all seriousness, this is just part and parcel of the entire anti-gay meme that marriage equality means the “end of traditional marriage.” Funny, my sister is married (to a man, imagine that?) and lives in Massachusetts and I don’t know of any of her friends or acquaintances who either got divorced or decided not to marry because same-sex couples have the same right in the Commonwealth. Of course, my Catholic High School did have palpitations when the first same-gender couple sent in their marriage announcement.

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    cptdoom “So we should outlaw masturbation?”

    But if we ban self abuse then only criminals will self abuse! Palms don’t kill people, people kill people! What about Castle Doctrine (or the Right to Self-Self Defense)? What happened to the Second Amendment right to “Rock out with your cock out”?

    If this passes, the past that I knew is truly gone!

  • eoraptor013

    “… a woman of the opposite sex…”

    Um, it’s possible you’re doing it wrong. Have you ever looked under the covers to be sure the naughty bits are configured the way you think they are?

  • slc1

    Re cptdoom @ #22

    My reference was to the fact that Ms. Cheney has had two children via in-vitro fertilization, a procedure which, I would be willing to bet Mr. Fruh disfavors and would like to make illegal.

  • cptdoom

    re slc1@27 – Sorry, forgot the tag at the end of the my comment, although even Aunt Mary (as John Avarosis at Americablog christened her years ago – it’s the gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom) use male sperm for her two bastards, so Fruh isn’t wrong about the biological origins of her birth. Of course, she also had both those children in DC, rather than where she lives in VA, so her partner could adopt them. It must be nice to have enough $$ to avoid the negative ramifications of the policies you help get passed (note: Mary Cheney was the head of Vice Presidential operations for the Bush/Cheney 2004 campaign, in which same-sex marriage was used as a conservative wedge issue).

  • cptdoom

    sorry that should have been the “sarcasm tag” – I hate typos!

  • slc1

    Re cptdoom @ #28

    I wonder if she will be moving to Maryland when the same sex marriage law takes affect next January.

  • John Hinkle

    Reginald Selkirk says:

    My question is, to the gay community, how did you come into the world in the first place? There’s only one way, through the physical union of a man and a woman and in most cases a married man and a woman, your father and mother.

    NEWS FLASH! Bigoted Christian pastor denies the virgin birth.

    Also, what about Adam and Eve? Huh? How bout it?

  • twincats

    Now we have an obligation to people who won’t ever exist? Am I failing in an important moral obligation by not having sex at all?

    My best answer is maybe.

    If the kind of sex you’re not having is hetero sex, then apparently so. I guess you’d be depriving some innocent blobby soul up in hebbin’ an opportunity to be a good soldier for jebus.

    If you’re not having teh homo sex, then you’re good.

    I am double-plus ungood because I’ve had so much hetero sex with absolutely no intention of giving birth ever.

    Yes! We must stop pre-conception abortions!

    Yep, see? I’m guilty, guilty, guilty.

    These people give me a mad and make my head hurt to the point that I almost regret never having had an actual abortion (and by that I mean that I’ve never remotely regretted for a moment being responsible enough to control my own fertility and life, but sometimes would like to make a fundie’s head all asplodey.)

  • DaveL

    “… a woman of the opposite sex…”

    Um, it’s possible you’re doing it wrong. Have you ever looked under the covers to be sure the naughty bits are configured the way you think they are?

    The phrase “a woman of the opposite sex” was used as a kind of running gag on the BBC sitcom Allo! Allo! – So now I can’t help but picture Aaron Fruh as the stuffy and ridiculous Gestapo agent Otto Von Flick.

  • kermit.

    Is Fruh talking in newspeak? Ignorance is knowledge, black is white and… Fruh isn’t a bigot. Fruh is doubleplusgood, so Preacher Fruh is a radical, socialist, atheist, bisexual, tree-hugging hippie scientist. Pastor, you’re alright in my book!

    If you’ve nothing planned on Friday night, come over to my place – we’re having espresso and fetus fondue.

  • exdrone

    Why are you so condemning of me because I’m a married man to a woman of the opposite sex and to me that’s the height of bigotry.

    Aaron:

    I’m not condemning your marriage. However, just on face value, I suspect that your wife could probably do better.

  • Aquaria

    I don’t consider myself homophobic

    But…you are.

    and I’d like to reframe this argument on my terms

    We’re supposed to define things the way you want solely so that your “argument” can make you look better?

    Piss off.

    The world doesn’t revolve around you and your fragile ego, cupcake. Get used to that.

    and I’m insulted for even being called homophobic

    And how is that affecting you? You’re not making as much money from screaming your hate as you used to?

    and insulted that I’m called a bigot because I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

    Truth hurts. Deal with it.

    What a bunch of sniveling crybabies.

  • organon

    Yes, they’re everywhere, and they’re coming to tempt you out of your closet…oops…marraige. You know, seeking equality and all.

    Shh. Hide.

    “I’m a married man to a woman of the opposite sex and to me that’s the height of bigotry.”

    Hmm. Nevermind.

  • lofgren

    Why are you discriminating against the unborn children who will never see the light of day if you revise the historical, moral and legal view of traditional marriage.

    Maybe he’s referring to children born to hetero couples that never would have gotten together if one or the other partner weren’t deeply in denial and/or in need of a beard to protect themselves from society?