Jordan: Stopping Obama Just Like Stopping Nazis, Slavery

Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio — a Republican, of course — attended a Family Research Council summit recently where he spoke with anti-gay bigot Tony Perkins and said that the campaign to defeat Obama is just like previous generations who defeated Slavery and the Nazis.

Jordan: There is an anxiousness that American feel about their country, they think there is just something not right and they feel this anxiousness, they know there are real concerns, a real change in direction, a real change from what we view and value of what America has always been so you are seeing people of faith step forward and participate in a big way, which is exactly what we want to see happen. I love the example of the teenage girl, and everyone in this audience knows this story but it’s so important to think about this, the teenage girl who saved her people and the best line in that narrative is when her relative said to her ‘Esther, maybe the only reason you’re at where you’re at is for such a time as this,’ and I think Americans get that, I think Christians get that, they understand, this is a critical time.

John Fund, I heard him give a speech and it’s interesting, and it kind of parallels what Senator Blunt said, he said it’s every third generation that has to do something big in this country. He started with the Founders who put it on the line, lost their lives and many of them lost their business, we remember Franklin, Jefferson and Adams but most of them lost everything, and then it was three generations later when we had this evil of slavery that Americans said ‘we will get rid of this and we will keep the union together,’ three generations later those people in America at that time said we can deal with the Great Depression and we can deal with the evils of Nazism in the Second [World] War and we can with that. And they did it. Now here we are three generations later and it is our turn. It is our turn to do what Esther did way back when, it is our turn to do what they did at the founding, and at the Civil War and at the Second War, it is our turn.

And this man was elected to office.

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  • d cwilson

    The GOP has reached the point where they can’t talk about Obama without a Goodwin violation. They hit rock bottom years ago and have broken out the jackhammers. It makes you wonder where they’re going to be able to go with the next democratic presidential candidate.

  • docsarvis

    This sounds appallingly like the rhetoric Republicans used to oppose civil rights legislation in the 1960s. What strikes me is these Republicans never elucidate the policies, other than Obamacare*, that are destroying our nation. It’s all vague references to socialism and change. When asked for specifics, they hem and haw and go back to their talking points.

    *They forget Obamacare is a compromise and bears strong resemblance to Romneycare and the health legislation moderate Republicans backed during the Clinton administration.

  • w00dview

    I really think its disgusting how the GOP bring up the horrors of Nazism every time they feel persecuted (i.e. taxing the rich, saying fucking happy holidays to the miserable shitheads). I mean if they bought up their whiny privileged bullshit in front of an actual holocaust survivor, I would pay money to see them get chewed out by someone who has actually been through bad shit.

  • slc1

    I notice that fucking asshole John Fund was involved in this discussion. That schmuck has really sunk to a low level.

  • Michael Heath

    Jim Jordan states:

    There is an anxiousness that American feel about their country,

    Well at least Rep. Jordan sort of concedes this is an emotional reaction rather than a rational reaction; while dishonestly attributing the bigotry buttressing this collective feeling towards all Americans. So the rise of the stupid people within conservatism and the Republican party continues.

    One of the biggest misnomers the mainstream media will perpetuate in the general campaign season is that Mitt Romney is a moderate or at a mainstream conservative. Instead Mr. Romney will be the primary champion of the false narrative conservative Christians promote and demand from their leaders in return for their vote, along promoting their bigotries towards women, blacks, gays, Muslims, atheists, those seeking employment, and possibly – illegal immigrants. Along with the false narrative promoted by a relatively narrow set of business sector interests.

    James Hanley argues that we’ve seen starker differences between recent general presidential candidates. I think if the old paradigm still existed he’d have a solid case. But I argue no, that past debates focused on swinging the middle and were about more about policy; where both parties mostly conceded the set of objectives that motivated their respective policy positions. Now we have one party making that same argument, whether you agree with the Democrats or not, and another party whose now almost totally divorced from reality depending almost solely on false premises and denying or avoiding the most enormous root cause problems we have, e.g., global warming, rising healthcare costs, federal debt, cutting current and past effective rates on the wealthiest increases economic growth, and degrading economic competitiveness.

    So I think the divide has never been starker in my lifetime. Democrats seek to improve our situation with objectives which are sometimes compelling and at other times arguably objectionable. Republicans have created a whole different reality where failure merely harvests more fodder to criticize Democrats and non-conservatives; actual success at governing isn’t even a objective anymore – in fact it’s never seriously discussed by conservatives except their apostates.

  • greg1466

    and then it was three generations later when we had this evil of slavery that Americans said ‘we will get rid of this and we will keep the union together,’

    Ironic that the backbone of the current GOP, i.e. the Bible Belt, was actually the side that was fighting to maintain slavery and leave the union.

  • http://accidental-historian.typepad.com/accidental-historian/ Geds

    He started with the Founders who put it on the line, lost their lives and many of them lost their business, we remember Franklin, Jefferson and Adams but most of them lost everything, and then it was three generations later when we had this evil of slavery that Americans said ‘we will get rid of this and we will keep the union together,’ three generations later those people in America at that time said we can deal with the Great Depression and we can deal with the evils of Nazism in the Second [World] War and we can with that. And they did it.

    Ah, this takes me back to my old Evangelical Christian days. It turns out that if you pick a number and cherry-pick history (or, y’know, just pull things straight out of your ass) you can find a pattern to EVERYTHING! That’s how we end up with the crazy people who are still calculating the exact point when the End Times will occur, because if you just pick a number (7) and multiply by another number (anything convenient) you can make it seem like we’re gonna be summoned up to the Sweet By N By just any ol’ day now, shugah.

    Hallelujah, praise the lord, and pass the collection plate!

    But, yeah, every three generations Christians have to do something great in this country, specifically the conservative Christians. Since it was definitely the evil atheists down South that were keeping the slaves. And it was noted conservative Franklin Delano Roosevelt who guided us out of the Great Depression and has been vilified by Democrats who have been trying to destroy the New Deal ever since.

    And, of course, absolutely nothing important happened in between those things. We certainly needn’t talk about the Industrial Revolution nor World War I. And it would just be completely nuts to discuss the Civil Rights Movement, since that was a completely unnecessary fight after the slaves were freed.

    One of the best things about this sort of rhetoric is how it completely falls apart if you just apply the tiniest amount of actual information to the babbling.

  • dingojack

    So, Mr Jordan you are suggesting that people get their teenage daughters to sleep with the enemy (Obama is this case presumably) then once that enemy is asleep drop a millstone on his head, crushing his skull?

    You’re seriously suggesting pimping-out your own underage daughter so she can assassinate the President of the United States? Perhaps the Secret Service, FBI, DHS, Child Services & etc. should come and have a cozy chat with you.

    Then there’s the whole issue of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and the Second World War. In those fights it was guys like you (and your little pal Perkins) who were fighting on the losing side.

    Those honourable, principled men you so desperately want to postumously co-opt into your murderous fantasies fought to increase freedom and liberty for all, not for limiting freedom to only the ‘right kind’ of people as you do.

    You insult them by your contemptible attempt to associate yourself with the cause they died for.

    Have you even the smallest shred of decency?!?

    Dingo

  • John Hinkle

    Jordan: There is an anxiousness that American feel about their country, they think there is just something not right and they feel this anxiousness, they know there are real concerns, a real change in direction, a real change from what we view and value blah blah blah…

    Shorter: There’s an uppity nigger in the White House.

  • Chiroptera

    …he said it’s every third generation that has to do something big in this country.

    And the “big something” this generation is doing is fighting for LGBT rights.

    I’m just sayin’, is all.

  • John Hinkle

    ‘Esther, maybe the only reason you’re at where you’re at is for such a time as this,’…

    Esther is fine tuned?

  • D. C. Sessions

    There is an anxiousness that American feel about their country, they think there is just something not right and they feel this anxiousness

    You might almost say a “malaise?”

  • Michael Heath

    John Hinkle writes:

    Shorter: There’s an uppity nigger in the White House.

    Which leads to my interest in understanding what level of awareness these bigots have regarding their bigotry. While I’d love to see some empirical data, my own observation is that they’re more cognizant of their bigotry than I previously concluded. Same with their misogyny.

    The WSJ comment board is now dominated by thinly veiled racists when it comes to describing the president and now the Trayvon Martin homicide. [I’m not claiming WSJ commenters are representative of a particular group, only that those arguments provide insight into the arguments we encounter which are representative of conservatives.]

  • Skip White

    “and then it was three generations later when we had this evil of slavery that Americans said ‘we will get rid of this and we will keep the union together,’ ”

    Not that I expect these folks to have any idea of history beyond their idealized version of it, but I’m pretty sure the evil of slavery was there from the start. That, and (IIRC) the initial focus of the Civil War was to repair the union, even if slavery was kept.

  • slc1

    Re Michael Heath @ #13

    Didn’t John Fund once work for the Wall Street Journal?

  • cjtotalbro

    THe vibe I always get from these types is that they desperately want a new war, a new fight, ANY new fight. Now, obviously they want others to fight for them because they are complete cowards- but they want a fight none the less. The cowardice is even further evidenced by the fact that their targets tend to be the weak and powerless (poor, gays, minorities. Part of me thinks they are willing to spit this sort of vitriol at the president because in the back of their minds, they know he is above it and wont respond. Honestly, if Obama was really the sort of dictator who was as evil as they say he is, none of these chickenshits would say a word- theyd be too busy cowering.

    A huge factor in me losing my faith in the American people has been the reactions to Clinton dodging the draft for an unjust war vs. Romney protesting in favor of that same war while getting multiple deferments.

  • otrame

    John Hinkle: Now, now. They don’t mind niggers in the White House. They just don’t like the fact that he isn’t the one cleaning the toilets..

    (Seriously that is what really bothers a lot of them, even if they don’t admit it to themselves–that’s why they can’t talk about policies or any actual harm done (they actually approve of most of the actual harm done). They only have this gut feeling Something Ain’t Right)

    Chiroptera: Damned fucking right.

  • Michael Heath

    slc1 writes:

    Re Michael Heath @ #13

    Didn’t John Fund once work for the Wall Street Journal?

    Yes, I had a on/off subscription to the WSJ for about twenty-five years where I recall him as a long-time contributor. I remember his face, I rarely read his columns or those of anyone on the op-ed page, that section was Fox News prior to their being a Fox News. What I recall was a smarmy apologist.

  • abb3w

    I wonder if Representative Jordan is aware that in the US it was the more religiously conservative among Christians who were on what is now considered the “wrong” side for both the Slavery and Nazi questions (not to mention, the American revolution)….