Rafael Cruz: Atheism Leads to Everything Bad

Ted Cruz’ father Rafael continues to be in the spotlight for his bigoted and inane statements. Speaking to an Oklahoma gun rights group that included Larry Pratt of the deranged Gun Owners of America, he said that atheism and secular humanism lead to sexual perversity, pedophilia and moral anarchy.

In his talk, which took place earlier this month, the elder Cruz railed against atheism and secular humanism, which he said are two of the main ills facing our society.

“Let’s look, for example, at the behavioral consequences of these two foundations,” Cruz said to the group. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

“There is no moral absolute, which means we operate by situational ethics,” he said, “which unfortunately is something being taught in every high school in America.”

Situational ethics, explained Cruz, maintain “that right and wrong depends on the situation. In other words, it’s a moral relativism.”

Because atheists believe in doing whatever they want, and if there are no moral absolutes, then there will be nothing but moral anarchy, he said.

“Do we know any politicians that have done that?” he asked.

“Hitler!” volunteered Larry Pratt of the organization Gun Owners of America, who was in the audience.

“Oh, we don’t have to go that far, Larry,” said Cruz. “Just go to Washington. Just go to the White House.”

“Of course, this leads us, when there are no moral absolutes,” he went on, “leads us to sexual immorality, leads us to sexual abuse, leads us to perversion and, of course, no hope. No hope!”

He’s right. I have no hope that he will stop being a right wing extremist who says idiotic things like this.

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  • matty1

    This is an example of a false dichotomy that really irritates me. Either something is absolutely required by the laws of the universe or it is completely arbitrary and we choose between options by the mental equivalent of flipping a coin.

    The idea that people might actually have values and consider some things more important than others or that there are actual choices in how to act is completely missing.

  • Michael Heath

    How Rafael Cruz reasons here, along with his rhetoric, has traction in the media because it’s recorded and his son is a U.S. Senator wannabe President. Otherwise it’s common fare amongst evangelical and fundie pastors that’s lapped up by their congregants and other political allies; and has been as long as I’ve been old enough to comprehend such thinking, bigotry, ignorance, hate, and delusional idiocy. This rhetoric is provocative and should be more pervasively reported by the media, but Christian privilege us successful keeping the rest of the America from fully examining the arguments made by conservative Christians.

    Now the left is demonstrably attempting to pin Rafael Cruz to his son like conservatives pinned Jeremiah Wright to Barack Obama in the Spring through Autumn of 2008. So we should expect some whining by conservatives where this defectively serves as an excuse. However the comparison is not equivalent for a couple of reasons, to the point we don’t learn much at comparing these two campaigns.

    One is that Barack Obama demonstrably rejects Mr. Wrights most contentious arguments while Sen. Cruz leverages such sentiments for political gain. Secondly, Mr. Wright had a defensible point though shared by few people with little power. The indefensible hate-speech expressed by Rafael Cruz is representative of conservative Christians in terms of their voting patterns and policy arguments where they are the predominant base of the GOP. Rafael merely provides the unvarnished version though the varnished version is objectionable enough.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Rafael Cruz actually understands enough about these issues to recognize that “atheism” and “secular humanism” are two separate phenomena?!?

  • blf

    …atheism and secular humanism lead to sexual perversity, pedophilia and moral anarchy/

    Where does eating spit-roasted babies fit in?

  • tiredofusernamerules

    “‘leads us to sexual immorality, leads us to sexual abuse, leads us to perversion and, of course, no hope. No hope!'”

    Are we sure he isn’t talking about the Catholic Church?

  • caseloweraz

    @Pierce R. Butler:

    However, he apparently fails to understand that instinct is not the same thing as situational ethics.

  • blf

    Michael Heath, Thanks for preemptively answering my question (which I have asked before), “Why do the inane antics of the father matter when discussing the son?”

    As others said when I previously asked, it seems to mostly be a case that the son has not explicitly disavowed the father’s statements, and indeed, the son acts as-if he (broadly?) concurs. (The son may have explicitly confirmed agreement with some of the father’s statements — I don’t know and am presuming, lacking plausible and verifiable evidence to the contrary, the son is not that stoooopid…)

  • caseloweraz

    “Do we know any politicians that have done that?” he asked.

    A few names that crossed my mind are David Vitter, Darrell Issa, Tom DeLay, and Newt Gingrich.

  • tfkreference

    “Are we sure he isn’t talking about the Catholic Church?”

    No, they seem to have hope.

  • colnago80

    This brouhaha is eerily similar to the case of Mel Gibson and his father. Gibson pere is a theocratic fascist and world class bigot who Gibson as not, to my knowledge, disassociated himself from.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Anybody get a little freaked out hearing someone representing a full quarter of the country saying, essentially, “If my belief is wrong my only choice would be psychopathy”?

    And, going by background in the lede picture, Heritage has happily thrown off any veneer of objectivity and sanity. Kudos.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Classic appeal to consequences. Yawn.

  • raven

    Anybody get a little freaked out hearing someone representing a full quarter of the country saying, essentially, “If my belief is wrong my only choice would be psychopathy”?


    It’s already happened. Their belief is wrong and they are psychopaths or close enough to not matter. No point in worry about the past.

    All we have to do now is survive this and clean up the disaster in progress. It is by no means guaranteed that we can do manage this.

  • uncephalized

    @2 & 7:

    There is a third reason the Wright:Obama::Cruz:Cruz analogy is a bad one, which is that Wright is just some guy Obama was once associated with socially, whereas Rafael Cruz is Sen. Cruz’s father and apparently actively employed by him as a campaign proxy and spokesperson. That means anything he says–and which Sen. Cruz does not immediately repudiate publicly and categorically–reflects directly on my opinion of the Senator.

  • tbp1

    All I need to know about Rafael Cruz is that he works for Benny Hinn. Anyone who would do that is a con man, or insane (possibly both).

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Any day now, I expect Rafael Cruz to be outed as a gay adulterous drug addicted pedophiliac.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Concerning Cruz’s connections to his son: As has been pointed out elsewhere, Cruz the younger has deployed his father as a campaign surrogate on any number of occasions. That’s quite a bit different from Obama and Jeremiah Wright (who, as far as I can tell, said nothing remotely as hateful and bigoted as Raffy Cruz).

    Ted Cruz should be made to either distance himself from his father’s ravings or own them. But that’s not going to happen, because our political culture treats Republicans as being beyond responsibly. They’re like a crazy uncle — when they say something stupid and offensive, you just ignore them, because doing otherwise would be impolite and might upset the family.

  • birgerjohansson

    I did not know Mr Herbert was an atheist. As for Stewie Griffin, he has endorsed God for being “so delisciously evil”.

    “treats Republicans as being beyond responsibility” – make TV ads? Remind people the father has been a campaign surrogate for Junior, and is batshit crazy.

  • freehand

    “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

    Funny you should say that, Mr. Cruz. Since there are no gods, our behavior is determined by our choices, our circumstances, and our instincts. If you do not acknowledge this, and engage in no introspection, and no careful. god-free investigation of moral behavior then you end up with monsters such as yourself: absolutist, arrogant, self-indulgent and hateful primitives. Paleolithic behaviors coupled with righteous rage is what we have come to expect from modern Fundamentalists. Your hatred of anyone different (e.g. gays), anyone generous (“socialists”), or anyone joyful (young people at a party) and your willingness to express that hatred poisons society. Your need to cling to your ideas leads to – among other reprehensible behaviors – a hatred for knowledge and truth about yourself, history, and science. If you were less despicable I would pity you.

  • https://www.facebook.com/paula.m.smolik Paula Marshall

    Has he seen the moral relativism in the bible? Don’t kill, unless they’re a different religion, then you can kill them and take their kids as sex slaves.