Wingnuts: Grammys Prove God’s Judgment on America

John Robe and Jerry Newcombe of Truth in Action ministry are quite upset about the Grammy ceremony, which included a mass wedding with some gay couples in it. They’re upset by this terrible assault on values. Funny, I felt the same way when they gave the Grammy for best heavy metal album to Jethro Tull and named Milli Vanilli best new artist.

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  • Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Funny, I felt the same way when they gave the Grammy for best heavy metal album to Jethro Tull and named Milli Vanilli best new artist


  • John Pieret

    Yeah, but bad things actually happened when they honored Jethro Tull and Milli Vanilli … people actually bought their records.

  • eric

    Um…either I have deja vu, or this is a repost of an article you posted a few weeks ago. Something wrong with the program that loads your posts onto the page????

  • Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach

    Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold on there for a sec…

    People actually watch the Grammys??

  • busterggi

    “Funny, I felt the same way when they … named Milli Vanilli best new artist.”

    The Grammys have an award for mimes?

  • scienceavenger

    @2 the problem there was JT is not metal, and MV is not, well, anything.

    Personally I’d think the religiots would love the Grammys, since rap is proof Satan exists.

  • Al Dente

    What’s wrong with Jethro Tull? Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses(1978), and Stormwatch are some of the best folk-rock albums there are. I consider Jethro Tull to be as good a folk-rock group as Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention. For that matter, Maddy Prior did backing vocals for Jethro Tull’s Too Old to Rock ‘n’ Roll, Too Young to Die album, which Ian Anderson repaid by being a studio musician for Prior’s Woman in the Wings album.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Al Dente @ # 7 – If you consider Jethro Tull’s music as “heavy metal”, you’ve led a very sheltered life.

  • Oh, c’mon. The flute is a heavy, metal instrument!

  • arakasi

    I saw a Tull concert right after they won the heavy metal Grammy. If the on-stage banter could be believed, even the band thought that their win was pretty ludicrous.

  • Goomba

    Jethro Tull is just a person in the band period!

  • steve78b

    Jethro Tull is the name of the band in honor of Jethro Tull (1674 – 21 February 1741) an English agricultural pioneer from Berkshire who helped bring about the British Agricultural Revolution. (Copied from Wikipedia)

    (I had to look it up…. not something I knew)

    Steve in OK

  • timberwoof

    Heh, Goomba. No, Jethro Tull was a farmer. His book on farming technology was groundbreaking.

    Pierce, folk rock is not heavy metal. Arakasi, JT didn’t even consider themselves in the running, so they didn’t show up.

    Al Dente! What you said!

    Sorry for contributing to the thread hijack, but Jethro Tull are far more culturally relevant than John Robe and Jerry Newcombe of Truth Inaction.

  • I was going to wade in in defensive of Jethro Tull as being (usually) a pretty good band, but people have already got in before me. Very good, carry on. And, while they’re not a heavy metal band, there does seem to have been some sort of inflation going on over the decades, where the stuff that is considered heavy metal now is vastly more heavy and metalish than the stuff which was called heavy metal when the phrase was first applied to music at all … and there are later songs in the Jethro Tull canon that might have retrospectively been classed as heavy metal if they had released them much earlier. But then, they were always well known for living in the past.

    Ba-doum kshh.

  • brucegee1962

    From what I heard, it wasn’t the book he wrote that inspired the band name — it was the fact that he was one of the first to recommend using manure for fertilizer, which they found appropriate. Plus they liked the name.

  • brucegee1962

    BTW, apparently Pussy Riot made a music video recently WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BEATEN UP BY POLICE at Sochi.

    Ergo, Pussy Riot officially rocks harder than anyone. Period. How can anybody rock harder than that?

  • cry4turtles

    I love classic rock stations that think classic rock is appropriate fo ar Christian owned station! Duh!?

  • savagemutt

    It’s not just that Jethro Tull won, it’s that they beat out …and Justice for All.

  • Packet Fusion

    @18 savagemutt

    That’s what I was going to mention – JT is great, and not heavy metal. That alone to me wouldn’t cause so much outrage, but the fact that and justice for all was released the same year does. And I’m a much bigger fan of JT than Metallica.

  • Michael Heath

    savagemutt writes:

    It’s not just that Jethro Tull won, it’s that they beat out

    …and Justice for All.

    I went to the 1988 Wikipedia page to see what hard rock albums were released that year and found the following I think are notable:

    Megadeath’s So Far, So Good… So What!

    Iron Maiden’s Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

    Queensryche’s Operation: Mindcrime (Awesome, still listen to songs from this album)

    Living Colour’s Vivid

    Here’s some albums from ’88 that I still listen to besides the Queensryche and Metallica albums from that year:

    Cowboy Junkies’ The Trinity Session

    Dire Straits’ Money for Nothing

    Steve Earle’s Copperhead Road (recently departed Earle’s one of countless reasons to watch the TV series Treme)

    U2’s Rattle and Hum. “When Love Comes to Town” is my favorite B.B. King performance.

    Enya’s Watermark

    Dwight Yoakam’s Buenas Noches from a Lonely Room

    k.d. lang’s Shadowland

    Tracy Chapman’s eponymous Tracy Chapman

    Robert Plant’s Now and Zen

    Lyle Lovett’s Pontiac


  • anachronistes

    Exactly – IIRC, Metallica actually performed “One” on that Grammy telecast, and yet they were passed over for what was possibly (I’m a fan but not looking it up) their most popular album and arguably their best.


  • timberwoof

    I read an article in some audio or stereo review magazine of the time that said that what we played was phonographs, not gramophones, so the awards should be called the Phoneys.

  • moarscienceplz

    Huh. I was not aware that Jeebus lovers hold the sole right to use stained glass.

  • jefferylanam

    The Grammy awarded to Jethro Tull was for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental. This was the only year that the Grammys had that category; the next year they split them apart. I don’t remember what Crest of a Knave sounded like; some of their work would certainly qualify as hard rock. It wasn’t their best work by any means, but that’s typical of the Grammies.

  • Since when was Jethro Tull “heavy metal?!” The only remotely metallic song I ever heard them do was “Pibroch,” and that was on an album that was almost entirely based on English folk and folktales. Talk about category errors…

    As for Milli Vanilli, I suppose the people who did the actual singing deserve an award — it would certainly make up for the injustice of using their voices without giving them credit.

  • KDinUT

    @timberwoof Actually, I think the phonograph was Edison’s invention (a wax cylinder) and what we came to call a “record” was originally a gramophone (from Wiki: “lateral-cut disc records were developed in the United States by Emile Berliner, who named his system the ‘gramophone’, distinguishing it from Edison’s wax cylinder ‘phonograph'”). At some point the terms became interchangeable, with phonograph ultimately becoming the preferred term. Of course, if you’re listening to Beethoven, the best recordings are on Deutsche Grammophon.

    On the subject of JT: Jethro Tull is considered by many to be progressive rock, sometimes placed in the sub-genre “progressive folk.” Now matter where you lump them, they were awesome both times I saw them in concert, and Martin Barre is one of rocks most underrated guitarists.

  • Here’s what I don’t get:

    The fundamentalists, particularly the Premillenial Dispensationalists, believe that Judgement Day will come when all the world, except for they the faithful few, has descended into what they consider perversion, immorality, and sin.

    They believe that this Judgement Day will see them, the elect, raptured up into Heaven to avoid the tribulations of the apocalypse.

    And they believe, fervently, that one of the greatest joys they will get, in Heaven, is being able to watch all the sinners on Earth get dragged into Hell to be tortured for eternity.

    All that being the case…why do they fight against things they consider sin and perversion? WHy not just keep silent and let it happen?

  • The Grammy awards are an assault on values, just not in the way the wingnuts think.

    The recording industry has always been the way the entire US economy has become now, those who do the work get paid next to nothing or even in debt (e.g. TLC sold millions but “owed” their record company money). Those who run it are self-serving, greedy and corrupt hypocrites who reacted violently when an uprising occurred (re: napster, digital music) which threatened their unethical business methods.

    The recording industry is not a distribution netowrk for music, it is a scheme that cripples music which allows those in power to cheat the artist and his audience. It is exactly the sort of capitalism that the rightwingnuts love in every other industry.

  • gmacs


    That was exactly what I was thinking, too. Seriously, Ed.

  • dingojack

    Eric – the Grammys* always deserve a second kicking.

    I agree with Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too 🙂 . ‘I say again, only slightly louder this time. WHO?!?’*

    busterggi – Did he lip-synch the acceptance speech?

    🙂 Dingo


    * winning a Grammy is when you know you’re musical career is truly over.

  • sundiver

    I was somewhat amused at JT’s “Heavy Metal” award. Just proved to me that the Grammy voters are likely tone-deaf and/or oblivious twits. That said, I like Hetfield and Martin Barre. Amongst the musicians I know they are well respected but I think they’re a bit under-appreciated by the public. And who the fuck are John Robe and Jerry Newcombe? What bands are they in?

    (recently departed Earle’s one of countless reasons to watch the TV series Treme)

    When did Steve Earle die?

  • Moggie


    His book on farming technology was groundbreaking.

    Since I’ve always thought of him as the inventor of the horse-drawn hoe, I see what you kind of did there.

  • anubisprime

    Blighty music aficionados tend to regard Jethro Tull as a ‘Progressive’ group.

    But they have been tagged with many sobriquets…but it must be admitted the ‘Heavy Metal’ one was a bit of a ‘wot now?’ moment.

    They are certainly a ground breaking band when they emerged to popularity in the early 70’s

    They are an elite few that actually expanded the genre to include many styles of rock to heavy metal, in some ways they are a forerunner of Heavy metal without actually resorting to the power chords.

    Excelled at festival band status and were a staple on many festival rota’s.

    Mostly they play mid to large venues to sell out and globally trot out tour after tour…it is what they do!

    Interestingly enough…or not…Anderson has done much work with the foundation that addresses DVT.

    Deep Vein Thrombosis is linked with excessive air travel.

    He apparently felt that as he and the band spent many hours on flights it was something that should be highlighted to the researchers and doctors.

    Ian Anderson (flute/vocals) is a musician’s musician and the dudes he employs are without question masters of music and composition.

    Love them or loath them they are such a part of musically history that they do not deserve to be either forgotten or indeed dismissed.

  • Michael Heath

    According to Wikipedia’s entry on Steve Earle, he hasn’t died. I thought I’d read that he had. Perhaps I’m mixing up Mr. Earle with a character he played. Sorry for the confusion.

  • I asked one of my grand-nephews if he could tell me what a gramophone is. He said, “Sure, it’s the one that Gramma Pat keeps by her bed; the one with the big numbers and the volume control.”. He may have been jerking my chain.

    “Oh, c’mon. The flute is a heavy, metal instrument!”

    True story, no, really. James Galway was asked by a woman, during a concert Q&A with the audience, why he played a silver flute at the performance instead of the gold one he had played at previous concerts. He replied that his “silver” flute was made by a Japanese instrument maker, took over a year to finish and that it was, in fact, platinum.

    In this era of “dinosaur rock”, it would be nice to see all of the quietly gay members of various rock bands get together and do a “Homometal” or “GAYbomb” album AND get “Best performance by a NEW group”. Heads would be ‘splodin’ in the Heartland.

    Mr. Michael Heath:

    Levon Helm died recently and he was in a few things on film/video in his last few years. Steven Van Zandt is also in the acting biz.

    As for Steve Earle; I’ve had a book, “The Life and Near Death of Steve Earle” for years and have not made it halfway through. It is both fascinating and really depressing. That man has incredible talent and HUGE character flaws and cyclic addictions to basically anything that makes him feel good. His music is great, my favorite is, “The Revolution Starts Now” (not, I think, an effort that is viewed by many as his best work).

  • savagemutt

    I asked one of my grand-nephews if he could tell me what a gramophone is. He said, “Sure, it’s the one that Gramma Pat keeps by her bed; the one with the big numbers and the volume control.”. He may have been jerking my chain.

    Reminds me of the old joke. “Sir, do you have any pornography?”

    “Pornography! I don’t even have a pornograph!”

    Ok, you had to be there.

  • savagemutt

    Living Colour’s Vivid

    I forgot about that. ’88 was a great year. A friend dragged me to see LC in a club on Halloween of that year. He promised me they were good. It was to date the best damn live show I’ve ever seen.

  • Crudely Wrott

    Aww, shit. Just cue up Jethro Tull’s first album, “Stand Up” and make up your own minds.

  • dingojack

    My nephew and his friend wanted to play a vinyl copy of Thriller they’d found in a second-hand store so they came up to use my folk’s record-player.

    As my nephew’s friend placed the record on the turntable he said: ‘This has got a groove that goes around and around in a spiral, nearly all the way into the middle!’

    I very nearly explained to them how a record works. That’s the moment I realised: I was OLD. 🙁