Ted Nugent: Federal Officer?

Ted Nugent finally did his interview with Erin Burnett on CNN on Monday (I presume he had to be talked into it because she’s of legal age) and he told a big ol’ whopping lie on national television. He claimed to be both a local and federal law enforcement officer who goes on raids for the FBI, the U.S. Marshals and the DEA.

I’ve been a cop in Lake County, Michigan, since 1982 thereabout. I conduct federal raids with the DEA and ATF and U.S. Marshals and the FBI and Texas Rangers and heroes of law enforcement.

“And we are re-arresting fugitive felons let out of their cages after murdering and raping and molesting children, carjacking. And we keep going after these guys.

“The adrenaline is something like you will never experience, I hope you never have to experience it, but when we are done with these kinds of raids, we get together and our hearts are broken that we have to face these monsters. We call them mongrels. We call bad people who are destroying our neighborhoods mongrels.”

PolitiFact called all those agencies and they don’t have any idea what Nugent was talking about. First, the Lake County sheriff:

Nugent is a reservist for the county sheriff’s office, Sheriff Robert Hilts told us. But, “He’s never joined us for any raids. Fortunately, we don’t have those sorts of problems up here.”

Hilts said Nugent has no authority or official responsibilities. The only activity involving Nugent that Hilts could recall was raising money on behalf of the department and for a local boy who has cystic fibrosis.

“We’re always searching the woods for a hunter that’s lost or hurt,” Hilts said. “He helped us buy a four-wheel drive offroad vehicle so we could reach people faster.”

And the feds:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) told us, “We are not aware of him conducting any raids with us.”

We asked the Texas Department of Public Safety on what occasions Nugent had joined Texas Rangers on raids. Press secretary Tom Vinger said, “In regards to your question about the Texas Rangers, that did not occur.”

Joe Moses, a 22-year veteran special agent at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), told us they have no record or recollection of Nugent participating in any of their operations. However, when there are special projects that involve many federal, state and local agencies, they wouldn’t necessarily know the name of everyone who showed up.

At the same time, Moses said there are strict standards for who is involved in an actual raid.

“You would not have someone who didn’t hold the status of a police officer or federal agent participate in such an operation,” Moses said. The process of arresting a person or collecting evidence must withstand challenge in a courtroom. It is not a place for the inexperienced, Moses told us.

The FBI said it could neither confirm nor deny Nugent’s participation in a raid.

When we reached out to Nugent, an assistant did not provide evidence that Nugent participated in raids with the FBI, the DEA or the ATF.

Instead, Nugent’s assistant Linda Peterson wrote, “Ted has been active in the following: U.S. Marshall Service FALCON fugitive task force arrest raids in Texas …”

That’s not quite what it sounds like, either. Nugent and a film crew “went on a ride-along with a U.S. Marshals-led task force in Waco, Texas, in 2005,” agency spokesman Dave Oney said. Oney believes they were shooting footage for Nugent’s television show Spirit of the Wild.

With the U.S. Marshals, observers work under clear limits.

“They cannot go with us into private residences,” Oney said. “So, he would have had to remain in the vehicle or on the sidewalk or some other public area.”

That ride-along took place about nine years ago. No law enforcement agency told us that Nugent has any current role in their efforts to apprehend felons.

They rate this as a pants-on-fire lie. And that’s exactly what it is.

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  • D. C. Sessions

    Pants on fire?

    They don’t burn all that well when they’re full of shit.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Why would the FBI, DEA and US Marshals take Nugent with them on raids? He’d be a pretty shit choice and would stink at the job!

  • Chiroptera

    Did he confuse himself with Steven Seagal?

  • marcus

    Well of course they would admit it! They don’t want to blow Noogie’s cover! He is just too valuable a resource.

  • marcus

    @ 4 “wouldn’t”

  • Al Dente

    Ted Nugent told an untruth? That’s unpossible! Just ask the Attorney General of Texas Greg Abbott and he’ll give Nugent an excellent character reference.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Well, he went on raids with somebody. Which cops have the uniforms made out of white bedsheets again?

  • frankb

    The only raids that would fit Nugent’s style would be panty raids.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    Nugent’s a reservist, which means he direct parking lot traffic at the homecoming game.

  • http://www.rodlamkey.net reverendrodney

    I say let’s hope he keeps talking. Sooner or later he’ll claim to have time-traveled to Iwo Jima and raised the flag, and personally rowed Washington’s boat across the Delaware. I can hardly wait until even his most ardent fans realize that he’s totally batshit crazy.

  • tfkreference

    “The FBI said it could neither confirm nor deny Nugent’s participation in a raid.”

    I suppose he’ll now say it was only the FBI and he can’t say anymore about it.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Wadeafuggin’minit! Ain’t the feebs and CIANSADEA part of the Obamandingo nancybooted jackthugcorps? Ted works WITH them, ‘stead of agin ’em? Why does Nuge the Stooge hate MurKKKa?

  • Lithified Detritus

    And we are re-arresting fugitive felons let out of their cages after murdering and raping and molesting children, carjacking. And we keep going after these guys.

    This is especially rich, given his proclivities.

  • Freeman

    As part of a local charity drive raising money for an animal shelter, an old signed poster of Nuge (when he still had all that hair) was put up for online auction. The bids were all the way up to a buck or two when my wife had a conversation with a few other ladies who were talking about how they liked the cause but had no use for the poster. One lady said she would use it to line her bird cage. My wife enjoyed that comment so much she bid 25 bucks on the poster and pledged to personally deliver it to the other lady for her bird cage if she wins. A few Nuge fans commented that it was a disgraceful thing to do, but none of them has been willing so far to put $26 where their mouth is to defend their Teddy. Four days later my wife is still high bidder.

  • David C Brayton

    About a week ago you posted something about folks on the Christian right wanting to be persecuted in order to justify their feelings of persecution.

    This TED fantasy seems to be in the same vein. These folks fantasize about using their guns and power for a just cause, whether it be law enforcement or protecting their god-given rights.

    The feel of self-righteousness is delicious.

  • howardhershey

    Why is Nugent still alive and/or not in jail? He said he would be by this time.

  • Larry

    Only a subhuman mongrel would tell a lie about participating in law enforcement raids!

    (Note: this comment is not meant to reflect any racial bigotry towards Mr. Nugent. After all, I have several draft-dodging, pants-shitting friends [don’t ask] who play really crappy music)

  • felidae

    Most rock stars have drugs to blame for their erratic behavior, so what’s Teddy’s excuse–maybe firing off too many rounds has scrambled his brains from the concussion

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    He claimed to be both a local and federal law enforcement officer

    Proud to be a cop? Disgusting. Wanting to pretend to be a cop words fail me.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Marcus Ranum “Wanting to pretend to be a cop words fail me.”

    Hey! I wanted to be a cop. Then I turned nine.

  • dan4

    @19 “Proud to be be a cop? Disgusting.”

    How/why is it “disgusting?”

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    How/why is it “disgusting?”

    Being a cop is an inherently immoral profession. To be a cop you must agree to use force to compel people to follow laws that you almost certainly do not completely agree with. I suppose it’s possible that somewhere there is cop who absolutely agrees with all the laws that they propose to enforce but they are still on shaky ground because in principle they have agreed to enforce those laws always and even-handedly; i.e.: they’ve agreed to be completely blind to context. To do that, one must revoke one’s own agency as a moral being.

    In practice, most cops aren’t even that moral, since they do, in fact, take context into account and frequently take race, wealth, or privilege into account. And, most of the cops I’ve talked to (back when I used to talk to cops) could be encouraged to admit something like acknowledging that the dope laws are stupid – but they enforce them anyway. Or break the speed limits, themselves, and otherwise act privileged. The fact that cops are not constantly arresting eachother ought to tell you how immoral they tend to be, as a lot.

  • cry4turtles

    I don’t think I want to live in a world with no law enforcenent.

  • dan4

    @23. Amen.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    I didn’t say we should have no law enforcement. But the current mechanism creates an implicit tension between the enforcers and the rest of society and the criminals; and then we wonder why cops get this “us versus them” mindset. It’s implicit in the idea of having tame thugs to offset the wild thugs.

    (And before you ask: no, I do not have an answer to the problem of criime)

  • dan4

    @25: Uh, what “current mechanism” are you talking about?

  • Ichthyic

    so… when are the commission hearings? why isn’t Ted getting the help he so obviously needs?

    the man clearly has mental health issues.

    @Marcus:

    you should travel more. not every police force is trained in intimidation and aggression and confrontation.

    I was shocked at how different it is here in NZ, for example.

  • Ichthyic

    Uh, what “current mechanism” are you talking about?

    My guess is he’s talking about the way cops are typically trained in many large cities in the states. In fact, they tried to overhaul the entire system in LA after Rodney King…. and ten years later ended up in exactly the same place.

    cops are indeed specifically trained to use intimidation, force, and confrontation to solve problems. It was well documented after the Rodney King incident in LA, and the riots that followed. Cops were being trained more like you would train an occupying force in a foreign country, than a force for maintaining law and order.

    AFAICT, very little ended up being changed, except the names of the cops in charge.

    as I said though, it’s not that way everywhere, and US police forces need to do better in understanding that there are better, more efficient, less costly ways of working with the public.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Ichthyic “I was shocked at how different it is here in NZ, for example.”

    Well, sure, policing is easy when the toughest crook the cops run across is a napping hobbit.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    you should travel more. not every police force is trained in intimidation and aggression and confrontation.

    Exactly. The eye-opener for me was when one of my former cop friends, who was a Capitol City police officer, went to “hostage negotiation training” that apparently consisted of a lot of stuff about how to stall until the snipers arrived to blow the bad guy away. That was an eye-opener for me. In fairness, there are probably jurisdictions in the US that are more reasonable, but the idea that the way to deal with thugs is to have superior thugs of your own does not result in a safer or more just society. It produces bigger, more dangerous thugs.

    I do travel a lot; I’ve been in countries all around the world except in Africa. And I’ve seen policing based on the US model, and others – though the majority of the places I’ve been are more along the US model. I enjoy how more-or-less invisible the police in Sweden, Norway, and Iceland are. And the Scottish police are, um, helpful. It’s like they are there to help, or something. Not as if they are there to “ENFORCE THE LAW” and they don’t walk around as if they expect to get in a gunfight with every tourist that stops and asks for directions. I haven’t been to NZ, but I’ve been to Australia many times and my experience with the cops there is that they seem to be especially interested in helping drunks safely get to wherever they’re going.

    what “current mechanism” are you talking about?

    I should have been more explicit in my comment. I’m referring to the “us versus them” approach most US jurisdictions’ police follow (which is based a lot on Gates’ legacy at LAPD) and – worse – in many jurisdictions you have the “zero tolerance” rules, which – although theoretically they may be more equal – are applied unequally by geography. So in NYC you might get “zero tolerance” in subways and in some neighborhoods, but if you’re wearing a suit and in a town car, you can expect to never be stopped for anything. The current fondness for militarizing police simply makes the “us versus them” divide bigger. As a law-abiding citizen (who occasionally breaks speed limits) I don’t feel safer knowing that local “SWAT” teams have .50 cal sniper rifles that can punch a round through the side-armor of a Bradley AFV, in case someone in a light tank gets drunk and disorderly. And I don’t like the fact that they train to shoot people. Because, when that’s what you train for, that’s what you do.

    Back to my earlier comment; the reason being a cop is immoral is because you’re committing to enforce a body of laws that you almost certainly do not agree completely with. Because nobody can. Perhaps someplace where there are fewer draconian laws or the laws are more aligned with the citizenry’s expectations, you might not have cops compromising themselves by swearing to uphold a body of law and then running out and breaking it constantly. From a simple moral perspective, I think it’s hard to argue that you are “trying to prevent murder” while training how to gun down citizens. And, in the US, the proof is in the pudding.

    If the body of laws that a cop was sworn to uphold was to serve and protect, non-violently defuse and evacuate citizens in danger, to help drunks find their glasses, and offer directions to perplexed tourists, then I suppose a cop could reasonably swear (and mean it!) to uphold such laws. I am still skeptical about that, because I don’t know anyone who actually always obeys speed limits, but if you were a cop sworn to uphold speed limits against others, and you violate speed limits yourself without arresting yourself, you are a bad cop. Not as bad a cop as one that swears to protect the people and fills them with bullet holes, but – as Miles Vorkosigan says, swearing to things divides the world into the cowards and the forsworn.

    Oh, other inherently immoral professions: soldier and marketer. Soldiers because they vacate their agency by placing themselves under a chain of command, and marketers because they promote things as being better than they themselves know them to be.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Minor addendum: I also think that the “art” of negotiation is lost on police as soon as they are given guns to carry. Having a weapon affords them a simple solution to complex problems. Disarming police would force them to train in how to defuse situations non-violently and use technology accordingly. What’s the old saying, “you can’t outrun a radio”? With rare exceptions situations out to be defusable with words instead of bullets. For example, the Branch Davidians at Waco – you can show up on their doorstep dressed like a ninja with an MP5 and scream “DOWN ON THE FLOOR” or you can call them on the telephone and say, “Hey, you’re landlocked in the middle of Texas and it’s not like you can go anywhere without 200 of us following you at a safe distance, can we hold a conversation about your intentions?” Give the cop a gun and they’ll use it. Take the cop’s gun away and they’ll have to use their brains.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @31:

    I don’t think that Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Boston Marathon bombing and the like are situations where cops or the military were going to get anything by way of negotiation. The Tsarnayevs, David Koresh and Randy Weaver WANTED the cops to stand off and engage them with rhetoric–or run around with gunz waving–after or while they were committing crimes against their supposed “enemies” and their own followers. There are situations where police should (and occassionally do) negotiate–I just don’t think that the aforementioned belong in that category.

    As for cops being “traind” to thuggery: I don’t think that they are, during formal training sessions–they certainly learn from more senior officers that being soft on the street is a recipe for disaster–regardless the truth of the assertion.

  • leonardschneider

    Nugent is developing a hot new sound: Pig-Rock.

    @ democommie (#32):

    If the true goal was to arrest Koresh, they could have just picked him up one day while he was out for his morning jog. Koresh went for a morning run, every day outside the compound, like clockwork. They could have picked him up then, it would have taken two officers in a single vehicle… But they didn’t For their own reasons, the Feds wanted the standoff at Waco every bit as much as Koresh and his minions did. The death-orgy at Waco was created by the Feds, ninety-nine percent.

    (*sigh*) Not to brag or anything, but I’ll bet I’m the only one here who’s had his head bashed into the hood of a Crown Victoria because a city employee with a badge and a gun didn’t like a haircut. I believe the rationale for this gentleman’s actions was that I was a “punk rock faggot motherfucker.” I’ll ignore the inherent contradiction of being both a faggot and a motherfucker — after all, being the first would by necessity negate being the second — and leave semantics for another day.

    Of course I was searched; after all, all punks are well-armed drug addicts and junkies. My lack of knives, saps, guns, brass knuckles, heroin, amphetamines, marihuana, pills, and/or paraphernalia only seemed to aggravate him more. So, I was placed in the back of the car for 45 minutes while my name and driver’s license number were run. Even though this was the mid-1980s, I’m fairly confident the San Diego Police Department had computerized records, showing information on anyone with an outstanding warrant or other violation. Still, it was a bit of a wait. I passed the time by trying to count all the little holes in the grid between the front and back seats. The civil servant passed time by having garbled, punctuated conversations on his radio.

    When he was finally done Protecting And Serving me, I was advised I had no outstanding warrants in California (so that’s what was taking so long!) and that he never wanted to see me in “his” neighborhood again, or else I would be arrested. He never said what for, but I’ve no doubt that a small amount of drugs would magically appear in one of my jacket pockets. I made a mental note to never walk to the liquor store for cigarettes again: no matter that it was only three blocks from my apartment, I’d drive there.

    I reminded the officer that he still had my wallet. He threw it in the street and drove off. (I waited for him to turn the corner before retrieving it, lest he spin around and write me a citation for jaywalking.)

    I mentioned all this to my parents a few days later, when I saw them at church. (My right cheek was still swollen and bruised from its impact with the police car hood.) My Mom, being the Pollyanna she is, asked why I hadn’t reported this outrage to the local division. Even my Dad found this suggestion amusing. San Diego had no civilian oversight board at the time — they do have one now, staffed almost entirely by ex-cops — and really, what would be the point? Some punk rock faggot motherfucker complains he got roughed up by one of our officers? Ain’t that a goddamn shame… Oh, and put his name and information into the computer. The next time the little asshole gets pulled over, we’ll teach him a lesson about what happens when people complain about how we work.

    Cry4Turtles and Dan4 don’t like the idea of living in a world with no law enforcement. Given what I’ve learned through observation, study, and personal experience (there’s a few other tales I could tell) I would submit we already do. Sure, every municipality has what is called “law enforcement. What they truly have are tax-funded street gangs, armed with badges and lots of high-tech weaponry… And that doesn’t make them enforcers of the law. The “law” is enforced very selectively by these street gangs; you can ask any Black guy in Marin County, Hispanic (or Black) in San Diego or Orange County, or anyone less than lily white in East Bay towns like Walnut Creek, Lafayette, or Danville. You don’t even need to commit a crime: simply being there is enough for them to cuff you and put you in a squad car.

    Sorry, Turtles and Dan: Officer Friendly is long gone. He either quit out of frustration and moved far, far away, or got offed by a few of his fellow officers, for rolling over on fellow officers who were….

    Extorting or raping prostitutes, taking shakedown money from drug dealers (or stealing their product during busts for resale or use), beating down homeless for the sheer fun of it, harassing female motorists (“I don’t have to give you a ticket, how ’bout you give me your phone number, baby?”), purposely clipping cyclists, smoking various drugs on the job, extorting liquor store owners, and giving female crackheads the choice between jail or sucking some dick. And that’s just Oakland, shall we discuss Los Angeles?

    Yeah, Officer Friendly is dead, found stuffed in the trunk of an abandoned car in West Oakland with three bullet holes in the back of his head. Funny thing, ballistics showed the gun was a .38, same caliber as what Oakland PD are issued. Purely coincidence, though. It must be.

    So there’s your word of warning. Ultimately, if you have a choice between dealing with gangbangers and cops, choose the gangbangers. They are motivated by profit, and behave accordingly: leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone, and so long as you keep out of their business, they are perfectly decent people to deal with. Yes, they have weapons, but because of the attention they attract, are loath to use them. And when they do, it’s purely business related. (They won’t shoot someone running away from them who’s just stolen two chickens and a gallon of milk from a market.)

    And unlike the police, they aren’t driven by a twisted sense of machismo, violent paranoia of everyone not just like them, a constant need to prove “who’s in charge,” a fetishistic worship of weapons, using those weapons at any excuse, and a poorly hidden contempt of “citizens.”

    Yeah, a crack dealer have more honor that a cop.

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  • dingojack

    Marcus – Perhaps Mr Spratt lost his glasses?

    ;/ Dingo

  • dingojack

    Not to mention Mr Curti’s glasses.

    Dingo

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    Marcus, be thankful you never met Graham “Chook” Fowler, Roger Rogerson or Denis Tanner.

    There are bad cops everywhere.

  • dingojack

    Not to mention Mr Curti’s glasses.

    Dingo

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    Marcus, be thankful you never met Graham “Chook” Fowler, Roger Rogerson or Denis Tanner.

    There are bad cops everywhere.

  • dingojack

    ‘Chook’ Fowler

    Dingo

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    This is the link removed from the comment in moderation to give #35

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “If the true goal was to arrest Koresh, they could have just picked him up one day while he was out for his morning jog.”

    I think that is a gross simplification. Koresh was in TEXAS where having a massive private arsenal and really, Really, REALLY fucking weird religidiot beliefs (or running a con, pretending that you do) is pretty much tolerated if not actively promoted by a high %age of the voters. Until it got out of hand it was no problem for the locals.

    I grant that the gummint’s response was heavy handed and inappropriate.