Wingnut: Public Schools Causing ‘Holocaust’ in Churches

Ray Moore, the completely unhinged Tea Partier running to be the next lt. governor of South Carolina, is doubling down on his demand that public schools be eliminated. Why? Because they’re causing a “silent holocaust” in American churches by teaching evolution and homosexuality.

A GOP candidate for lieutenant governor in South Carolina said yesterday that public schools are pushing a “silent holocaust” in churches by supposedly turning young people away from Christianity.

Ray Moore has made criticism of public schools a centerpiece of his campaign, urging the state to replace public schools with an education system led by “churches, families, and private association” and warning that they turn students, like a young Hillary Clinton, into anti-Christian “janissaries.”

Speaking yesterday with conservative talk show host Steve Deace, Moore warned that public schools are “wrecking” Christian families.

Moore claimed that studies show that “80 percent of Southern Baptists youths are leaving the church and abandoning the Christian faith, and we think all of this is pretty much attributable to government schooling.”

Or…maybe they’re leaving to get away from morons like you.

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  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Because his faith is so fragile that science and tolerance will destroy it utterly.

  • sh3baproject

    last time i check janissaries were the elite troops of the ottoman empire, not brainwashed kids in school. ironically, this wingnut is acting like a janissary during the early 1800s: afraid of change because then he would lose his grip on power.

  • eric

    Moore claimed that studies show that “80 percent of Southern Baptists youths are leaving the church and abandoning the Christian faith, and we think all of this is pretty much attributable to government schooling.”

    So don’t send your kids there, but let us send our kids there. See how simple that was?

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    @ Gregory in Seattle

    Well… yes. Yes it is.

    Their world view requires intense, controlled indoctrination to maintain; no dissenting or alternative thought can be allowed. They’re so convinced that they are right that they don’t realize that this is a serious flaw.

    There’s a FB meme floating around, something to the effect of: If something can be destroyed by the truth, then it probably should be destroyed.

  • DaveL

    I see, a “silent” Holocaust. That is to say, a Holocaust without the gas chambers, the ovens, the firings squads, the concentration camps, the mass graves, the inhumane experiments, the forcible tattoing, or the secret police raids. A Holocaust without the ghettos, the discriminatory laws, without the vandalism and destruction of homes and businesses, without families split apart or forced to flee their homes and live as refugees. That kind of Holocaust – you know: nothing.

  • machintelligence

    Yet another reason to support the public schools.

  • Larry

    Because people abandoning religion and all its superstitions can’t possibly be due to anything else.

  • caseloweraz

    ArtK: Their world view requires intense, controlled indoctrination to maintain; no dissenting or alternative thought can be allowed. They’re so convinced that they are right that they don’t realize that this is a serious flaw.

    Biology teaches us that a monoculture (e.g. corn with a single genome) is more vulnerable to destruction than cultures with a mixture of genetic types.

    I think the same is true of social cultures. The pearl-clutching among conservo-Christians tends to support the idea that they know, at some level, that the rigidly doctrinaire nature of their culture is at risk.

  • dhall

    #2 – the Janissaries were elite soldiers for the Ottomans, but they were technically slaves of the sultan for most of their history. Christian boys within the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire were taken from their families and raised to be Janissaries, and for most of their careers, they were kept more or less isolated from society, forbidden to marry, etc. Moore might be making his comparison based on the slavery technicality and rigorous training that turned Christian boys into Muslim elite troops. But still, it’s idiotic to imagine the public school system accomplishing anything remotely like that level of indoctrination. It’s really another indication of the levels of exaggeration the Tea Party is so good at.

  • D. C. Sessions

    The South has always opposed general public education. The excuses change from time to time (although religion is generally in there someplace) but the policy has been consistent.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Perhaps if churches stopped lying to kids, kids would stop leaving when they found out that their churches were lying to them.

    And schools teach homosexuality? As in, how-to? That would make it, what, a team building exercise?

    It’s good to see that the Teabaggers are still really all about economic issues, and not at all just the Christian Right in tri-corn hats with tea bags hanging off of them.*

     

    * They lost the tri-corns? And the tea bags? Oh. They were so focused on economic issues that I hadn’t even noticed.

  • Trebuchet

    He must really like Boko Haram.

  • Mr Ed

    I think this makes good economic sense. Industry has been moving to where ever labor is cheapest for years if we create an uneducated under class we can bring it here. Do we want our kids trained in critical thinking that might lead them to question our beliefs or do we want them making 24¢ an hour make the latest fashions. Tea party all about jobs

  • dingojack

    What he really means is:

    ‘Oh noes, now even those primary school special needs punks* can point out the gaping holes and glaring inconsistencies in our best theological arguments with all that tricky logic and knowledge and facts and stuff.

    We could have gotten away with it too, if’n it weren’t for you fancy-smancy edumacaed kidz! And get offa my lawn, dagnabbit!’

    Dingo

    ——–

    * I apologise to all those with intellectual disabilities for suggesting that are any where near as impaired as your average Fundie.

  • dugglebogey

    Reason is winning out over ridiculous superstition.

    It was bound to happen eventually.

  • dugglebogey

    P.S. It’s not public schools. It’s the internet.

  • Jackie the wacky

    Trebuchet,

    If the Boko Haram were Christian rather than Muslim, these people would call them heroes.

  • sh3baproject

    #9 i was just refering to the point in time where the janisarries were really no longer elite slave troops but when they controlled the govt up until the ausipisicous incident. he may be right about the slave and vigorous training thing but regardless he is using it to further his own twisted ends.

  • raven

    The attacks on public education by the christofascists have been intense and relentless. They hate public education because:

    1. It costs money. Lots of money. A good chunk of my property and state taxes go to education, as well as some of the federal taxes.

    2. It educates kids. They become literate, numerate, many go to college, many learn to think clearly.

    This of course, makes xianity and rightwing extremist politics a bit harder to sell. Not much harder, but noticeable.

    Moore wants South Carolina to march back to the Dark Ages. At least they don’t have too far to go.

  • oranje

    Ray, it could just be because your ideas are shitty and they’re losing in the intellectual marketplace. Consider that? Nope, wasn’t thinking you were capable of it either.

  • John Pieret

    Moore claimed that studies show that “80 percent of Southern Baptists youths are leaving the church and abandoning the Christian faith …”

    Why am I smiling?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Mr Ed “I think this makes good economic sense. Industry has been moving to where ever labor is cheapest for years if we create an uneducated under class we can bring it here.”

    Then shouldn’t Mississippi already be the engine of the US economy?

  • raven

    The attacks on public education have been working. Since it costs lots of money, it is an easy sell. Save money, produce generations of near illiterate children.

    1. North Carolina’s Tea Party governor has managed to do huge damage to their system. He is walking the talk. In one area alone, 600 teachers quit and many moved out of state. Salaries are very low, etc..

    2. The other selling point of destroying public education is also an easy sell. In many states, about half or more of the students are nonwhites. The US is on trend to be majority nonwhite by 2043.

    As the schools become nonwhite, the white public loses interest in them and in paying for them. A lot of them send their kids to private schools instead.

    Some of the private schools are profitable scams but some of them give a good education.

    This attack on public education will seriously impact the USA in the long run. A critical reason for our success has been…public education and higher education. 30 of the 40 top research universities of the world are in the…USA.

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    public schools are pushing a “silent holocaust” in churches by supposedly turning young people away from Christianity.

    8 years of parochial school did it for me.

  • raven

    Ray Moore is an America hating traitor!!! It had to be said.

    A lot of kids on the west coast grew up in disadvantaged circumstances. Immigrants whose parents didn’t speak much English, poverty stricken neighborhoods, rural areas where the most common activities are getting drunk, shooting guns, and driving pickups around too fast, incompetent parents who were abusive or neglectful.

    I’m sure there are places like this everywhere but the west coast is where I know it best.

    We all looked at education as our ticket out of a dead end life, about the only one available. And it worked!!! One of the kids down the gravel road where the cows hang out ended up with a Nobel prize.

    It’s getting harder to do that though. Studies show social mobility in the USA has dropped a huge amount. And of course, the states with the lowest social mobility are in the…South USA.

  • Chiroptera

    Moore claimed that studies show that “80 percent of Southern Baptists youths are leaving the church and abandoning the Christian faith….

    Sounds like a good campaign slogan for Moore’s opponent, aimed at younger voters:

    “If Moore were in charge, you’d still be in church!”

  • raven

    Huffpo 2014:

    Where The American Dream Is Dead And Buried

    If you dream of one day pulling yourself up by your bootstraps to become the next Bill Gates, there are some places in America where it’s somewhat easier to do that than others, a new study reveals.

    Cities in the South and the Rust Belt have extremely low levels of economic mobility — a wonky term that essentially measures one’s ability to go from being poor to rich — according to a study from economists at Harvard University and the University of California-Berkeley. etc.

    1. USA has declining social mobility especially the south. See above.

    2. It’s always amusing in a horror movie sort of way, how the Tea Party can create massive problems without taking any responsibility for it.

    By the time global warming floods the coasts, they will all be dead and forgotten.

    By the time the USA raises a generation or two of under-educated children, they will be dead and gone.

    By the time they destroy social security and medicare, they will have used both programs and be dead and gone.

  • raven

    What is causing the holocausts in the churches are vaguely humanoid toad xians like…Ray Moore. All he needs to do is look in a mirror.

    When xian became synonymous with idiot, hater, liar, loon, and sometimes killer, a lot of people didn’t want to be one any more. Worked for me, ex-xian after 5 decades as a xian.

  • Trebuchet

    @17: Exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=153100784 Michael Brew

    I’m just always blown away by people calling something a Holocaust which involves absolutely no one dying or at least being prevented from reproducing viable offspring. Changing people’s minds is not a Holocaust or genocide or anything particularly sinister. It is changing people’s minds. It’s as ridiculous as the white nationalist types who think that having mixed babies is a White Holocaust (as if my kid won’t still have half my DNA to pass on same as any).

  • elpayaso

    i’m forwarding this to my teacher wife and suggest y’all also send it on to any progressive teachers you know. nice to have such an unequivocal endorsement of the good they do in the world, supported by statistics!

  • iangould

    Have any of these wingnuts come out and said explicitly that members of denominations that teach a non-literal interpretation of Genesis that’s consistent with evolution aren’t Christians?

  • http://www.thomaswebb.net pinkboi

    The phrase “silent holocaust” makes my skin crawl when it’s used to refer to anything but a holocaust that just goes unnoticed. Largely because I have heard racists refer to lower birthrates of whites (due to their favorite boogeymen like feminists and abortions). Also highlights a problem with the concept of Holocaust. It’s about people being killed en masse for bigoted reasons, not about people voluntarily abandoning an identity or not having children.

  • thebookofdave

    That kind of Holocaust – you know: nothing

    No, DaveL, you’re referring to a spiritual Holocaust. A silent Holocaust describes the kind of campaign of terror, carried out in total secrecy, that legitimizes the paranoia and persecution claims of True Christians™ everywhere. And it’s spiritual.

  • Nemo

    @Michael Brew #30:

    Changing people’s minds is not a Holocaust or genocide or anything particularly sinister.

    No doubt Ray Moore would respond something like, “It’ll be a holocaust when those kids are burning in Hell.” Changing minds, in this context, is seen as the worst possible outcome. The consequences (though wholly imaginary) are infinite.

  • gardengnome

    “Kamaka

    public schools are pushing a “silent holocaust” in churches by supposedly turning young people away from Christianity.

    8 years of parochial school did it for me.”

    And ten years of Catholic school for me! Seems their own schools are doing a pretty good job.

    I had never heard of “janissaries” before today. I’ve looked it up but still can’t see the connection.