Wingnut: If Global Warming is Real, How Did the Dinosaurs Die?

In yet another example of why it’s a bad idea to elect deluded and ignorant people to public office, Rep. Jeff Miller, Republican (of course) from Florida, says that man-made global warming is false because the dinosaurs died off before we were around.

Lui: Does this concern you though, when you look at 2014 and 2016?

Miller: I’m concerned with the truth. And the truth is, climate has been changing for a long time. They call it global warming, global cooling — now everybody wants to call it climate change. Yes, the climate is changing. But it has been doing that for centuries. And for us to say that it is a settled argument right now I think, again, is a foolish argument to make, because there are scientists on both sides of the issue that say that’s it’s not settled.

Ah yes, that old canard. If they can find just one scientist, whether it’s in a relevant field or not, who disagrees with a theory, that theory is therefore “unsettled” and there is no justification for believing it. The handful of scientists who disagree are the ones to be believed, not the 99% who form the consensus.

Miller: It changes. It gets hot, it gets cold. It’s done it for as long as we have measured the climate.

Liu: But man-made, isn’t that the question?

Miller: Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point, that were causing global warming? No. The climate has changed since earth was created.

Well yeah, obviously. If anything bad happened in the past, something bad could not possibly be happening now, even if the two situations had nothing to do with one another. Can we please stop electing morons?

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  • Abby Normal

    Forest fires occur naturally. They’ve been happening for as long as there have been forests. Therefore, people can’t cause forest fires.

  • lldayo

    I thought a large hemorrhoid destroyed the dinosaurs as a precursor to the pharaoh’s plagues?

  • Chiroptera

    All global climate change denial sounds a lot like Nick Numbskull, Rightwing Detective, examining a homocide:

    “People have always died in the past, so I don’t believe this dead body was a victim of murder. Besides, I don’t even believe he’s really dead.”

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    The dino-stinction was caused by a case of DAUI—Driving an Asteroid Under the Infuence.

    It was in all the papers…

  • Doug Little

    WTF??

    He doesn’t know what killed the dinosaurs, he must have skipped childhood.

  • Nick Gotts

    Chiroptera@3,

    …and what’s more, the world’s better off without him.

  • John Pieret

    Can we please stop electing morons?

    Not as long as there is a teabagger-driven Republican party.

    BTW, does everyone know that the teabaggers picked off Eric Cantor, the #2 Republican in the House?

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Judge: Did you kill that man?

    Defendant: People die all the time. They’ve been dying for centuries. They call it murder sometimes, but other times they call it heart attack. Those so-called experts can’t make up their minds. The idea that it’s a settled issue is foolish, because you can find people who will say anything.

    Judge: Let’s try this again. Did you kill that man?

    Defendant: What about the Black Plague? Was I around to cause that? Was I shooting bullets at those people? No. People have died since the Earth was created.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Can we please stop electing morons?

    What part of “Of the People” don’t you understand?

  • Dweller in Darkness

    @ 5 In all likelihood, he thinks that dinosaurs and man lived together 6000 years ago until there was a worldwide flood that wiped them out. He’s arguing from his strawman version of a biologist who believes that climate change wiped out the dinosaurs.

  • http://Reallyawakeguy.blogspot.com somnus

    Well, Chiroptera, there’s “observational detecting,” and “historical detecting.” Only observational detecting is valid, because historical detecting relies on the unfounded assumption that what happened in the unobserved past follows the same rules as what happens in the observable present.

    Therefore, if you enter a room that contains a human corpse lying face down in a pool of blood, flanked by a hammer with a head that exactly matches the shape of the head wound, bloody footprints that don’t match the corpse’s shoes in a trail leading out of the room, and bloody handprints that don’t match the corpse’s all over the hammer and the corpse’s clothes, you simply cannot assume that a murder has taken place. Or even that there was ever a living human being who died in that room. It is just as valid to assert that a god of some sort poofed the entire tableau into existence out of nothing, and you can never really prove otherwise.

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    Oh, no, modus! You really know how to kill a woman’s faith in the power of democracy, don’t you.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    John Pieret “BTW, does everyone know that the teabaggers picked off Eric Cantor, the #2 Republican in the House?”

    The Sci Fi channel is making a movie about it, MegaMoron v SuperSociopath*.

     

    * Tagline: “Whoever wins, we lose”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1159674804 robertbaden

    Doug Little at 5,

    What killed off the dinosaurs was unsettled when I was a kid.

    And get off my lawn!

  • Kevin Kehres

    Can we please stop electing morons? Please?

  • Menyambal

    So if global climate disruption isn’t manmade, we don’t have to worry about it? I hope this guy never gets bitten by a rattlesnake, or a malarial mosquito, or has a tornado bearing down on him—his lack of action is going to be interesting.

  • eric

    Can we please stop electing morons? Please?

    This is your country.

    This is your country on gerrymandering [splat]

  • caseloweraz

    Miller: Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point, that were causing global warming? No. The climate has changed since earth was created.

    I killed them. Every last one. The aliens that built the pyramids (you know the ones) — one of them had a time machine. He sent me back, and I distributed an engineered virus that wiped them out.

    What? You can’t dispute that. Were you there?

  • eric

    BTW, does everyone know that the teabaggers picked off Eric Cantor, the #2 Republican in the House?

    Yeah, I expected to see Ed write about it, but maybe tomorrow. Its pretty crazy. Cantor outspent the guy by something like 10:1 too.

    Evidently, Cantor made the mistake of sometime in the past saying that if you were brought here by illegal immigrants as a little kid, and you’ve been here all your life, there should be a pathway to citizenship for you that doesn’t involve deportation. And….say buh bye to your political career in a heavily gerrymandered-to-the-right district.

  • colnago80

    In some fairness, it was not discovered that the dinosaurs were done in by an asteroid collision until the 1980s, thanks to the work of Walter Alvarez and his Nobel Prize winning father Luis Alvarez, professor of physics at U. C. Berkeley. Obviously, this poor deluded soul is still living in the 19th century.

  • caseloweraz

    By the way: The title of this post reflects, almost perfectly, the form and content of a question I saw on a Heritage Foundation blog years ago:

    “If carbon dioxide traps heat, then how is cold beer possible?”

    I’m pretty sure, now, that this was a Poe.

  • colnago80

    Re eric @ #19

    The winner, one David Brat, is a professor of economics at Randolph Macon University. As I understand it, Prof. Brat is a devotee of Ayn Rand,at least economically if not religiously. He graduated from Hope College which is in Michigan, which I never heard of until 1 minute ago. Perhaps the Michiganders Heath, Henley, and Brayton can give us some insight on this august institution.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brat

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    Someone should tell this dipshit (Jeff Miller) that at that time, when the dinosaurs were nice and healthy and the climate was warm enough for them, Florida was under about 300 feet of seawater.

    My real question is, is he really that stupid, or is he just playing to the rubes?

  • sabrekgb

    What i wonder is why the interviewer didn’t respond with a cocked head, “Uhh…big rock from space, dude.”

    People, especially politicians, this dumb should be called on it directly. They should be embarrassed at their own ignorance. They shouldn’t be elected in the first place, but if they are, the embarrassment from being stupid or ignorant should provide motivation to either not stand for re-election or to improve their knowledge so as to be less ignorant.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    colnago80 “Obviously, this poor deluded soul is still living in the 19th century.”

    That’s awfully generous.

  • Doug Little

    I can see a John Oliver interview in his future.

  • tomh

    Cantor outspent the guy by something like 10:1 too.

    According to Open Secrets, Cantor’s campaign spent more money on food — $168,000 on steakhouses alone — than Brat did on his entire campaign. In total, Cantor spent over $5 million to Brat’s $122,000. Brat was such a long shot that Tea Party donors didn’t even bother with him and he had to scrounge up his own money.

  • John Pieret

    conalgo 80 @ 22:

    Unsurprisingly it is a conservative Christian private college.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_College

  • whheydt

    Re: coinago80 @ #21…

    The seminal paper was “Alvarez, Alvarez, Asaro and Michels” and appeared in _Science_. (Frank Asaro and Helen Michels did the neutron activation analysis that found the Iridium trace…at much higher than expected levels.)

    I once heard Luis Alvarez comment about the advantages of a last name starting with “A” because papers listed authors in alphabetical order…but he never expected his son to be listed third from the bottom.

    FYI…Walter Alvarez was (still is?) a geologist at UC Berkeley.

  • whheydt

    (Grrr….in #29…that should ber “coinago80 @ #20.)

    I read the relevant paper when it came out. Also read the “TTAPS” paper in SciAm that started the whole nuclear winter debate. Unfortunately, I never read the “Alpher, Bethe, Gammow” paper (I think it was Gammow that couldn’t convince Delter to sign on as well…)

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    he never expected his son to be listed third from the bottom.

    Not to mention his own name being fourth from the bottom.

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    And btw, I remember that paper when it came out. One of the most exciting and revolutionary papers I’ve ever read.

  • Al Dente

    eric @19

    Evidently, Cantor made the mistake of sometime in the past saying that if you were brought here by illegal immigrants as a little kid, and you’ve been here all your life, there should be a pathway to citizenship for you that doesn’t involve deportation. And….say buh bye to your political career in a heavily gerrymandered-to-the-right district.

    The Republicans are doing all they can to turn away the Hispanic vote, which is something they’ll need in 2016, even if Rubio runs for Maximum Leader.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Al Dente “The Republicans are doing all they can to turn away the Hispanic vote, which is something they’ll need in 2016, even if Rubio runs for Maximum Leader.”

    So you’re saying their motto, “Vote for us so we can save the country from you people” isn’t working?

  • Doug Little

    The Republicans are doing all they can to turn away the Hispanic vote, which is something they’ll need in 2016

    Maybe they are operating on the idea that people will vote against their best interests when you throw god, guns and gays in their faces enough. Seems to have worked in the past.

  • parasiteboy

    Miller: I’m concerned with the truth. And the truth is, climate has been changing for a long time.

    And the truth is that scientist who have studied paleoclimates have a good idea as to why the climate has changed in the past and what it means for the future of our climate if we stay on the current path (Target Atmospheric CO2: Where Should Humanity Aim?)

    Furthermore we know that human activities (post industrial revolution) are the only source for the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere. So you have the truth, it’s just that YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

    Also for those of you out there who believe that mitigation is the only strategy that should be followed. This is analogous to saying that preventative health care is a waste of money and we should only spend money when a treatment is needed. This will cost us more money in the end and sometimes it is to late for any treatment at all to work effectively. I fear we are heading down this road in regards to AGW.

  • Deacon Duncan

    Astronauts have been returning to earth after ascending into the skies for decades now. There, I’ve disproved the Second Coming.

  • howardhershey

    Right-wing morons are part of the unintended consequences of “majority minority” districts (Democratic districts are actually more overwhelmingly single party than most Republican districts are) and the concentration of Democratic voters in cities. It is also why Democrats are more likely to win presidential elections than gain significantly in the House. [The Senate, even though it favors small states inherently, does tend to produce more balanced results because city votes actually are included in the totals.]

    Such morons also are one of the unintended consequences of a two-party, rather than multiparty, system that often uses party-limited primaries that are very poorly attended. Only 12% of the electorate voted in the primary where Cantor, the last remaining non-Christian in the Republican House, was defeated; I would not be shocked if his religion played a role in his defeat. And even though that 12% was all Republican (the Dem candidate was nominated by party committee), that means that Brat was nominated by about 6.7% of the electorate in a heavily Republican district.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Can we please stop electing morons?

    Change your education system.

    * As soon as a child is old enough to understand, teach them the basic steps of the scientific method – or at least the differences between conjecture, hypothesis, and theory.

    * Then teach them how to recognise ten or twenty (or more) of the most commonly used logical fallacies.

    * And finally teach them about the law of large numbers, so they understand that million-to-one shots happen every day, and coincidences are not miracles.

    One generation later – smart politicians.

  • eric

    Modus:

    So you’re saying their motto, “Vote for us so we can save the country from you people” isn’t working?

    They think “we love immigrants! Its just the brown people we hate” is going work. Which is, if you think about it, pretty consistent with other campaign strategies they’ve used. They’ve decided to campaign on an economic position that will appeal to 1% of the citizenry, and they’ve decided to campaign on an immigration position that will appeal to 1% of immigrants. Consistency!

  • jakc

    Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct?

    They haven’t. We call them birds now and they are more species of birds than mammals.

  • sunsangnim

    I was extremely disappointed in Richard Lui, the host of the show. At the end of the segment, he responds to Miller’s stupid comments by saying, “Well, neither of us are scientists, so we’ll leave it there.” Yeah, well, you’re a journalist. When your guest says something outrageously stupid, you should call him out on it. If you don’t know science, get a scientist on your show (preferably someone other than Bill Nye. I love Bill Nye, but as John Oliver pointed out, he’s the only expert on that side of the issue on TV. It would be nice for the public to know that there are other scientists out there).

    When guests say shit this stupid on TV, I want to see hosts make the same “Seriously??!” face that David Silverman did when O’Reilly asked him about tides. Instead, they suggest both sides are equally valid. The media needs to stop enabling these morons.

  • eric

    I love Bill Nye, but as John Oliver pointed out, he’s the only expert on that side of the issue on TV. It would be nice for the public to know that there are other scientists out there).

    When guests say shit this stupid on TV, I want to see hosts make the same “Seriously??!” face that David Silverman did when O’Reilly asked him about tides.

    Its interesting that you bring up Oliver, because his interview style on the Daily Show was exactly the style you say you don’t like. When he’d get an idiotic answer, he’d dead-pan it. Then just keep feeding the interviewee more rope. And you know what? That style is quite effective in many cases.

    I don’t need an interviewer or journalist to advocate for the sound science position. Its generally sufficient that they ask good, well-informed questions. If the interviewee says X and you know science says not-X, don’t just let it pass: quote science saying not-X and insist the interviewee address the discrepancy. But as the interviewer, you don’t need to editorially address it yourself. Someone says CO2 build up killed the dinosaurs, you ask them about the meteor theory. You ask them to respond to the fact that there is no physical evidence of any such build up during that time. But you don’t necessarily have to respond by saying “that’s BS, everyone knows a meteor killed them” or words to that effect.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Heath, Henley, and Brayton”

    Don’s touring again, without the rest of the Eagles?

    “My real question is, is he really that stupid, or is he just playing to the rubes?”

    It’s likely that both things are true.

    I can see the header in the NY Post, now that Cantor has been dumped, dishing about his heavy handedness in the back offices:

    Cantor Canters Off: “He was a cancer in the Cloakroom”, says one source.

  • freehand

    eric: Its interesting that you bring up Oliver, because his interview style on the Daily Show was exactly the style you say you don’t like. When he’d get an idiotic answer, he’d dead-pan it. Then just keep feeding the interviewee more rope. And you know what? That style is quite effective in many cases.

    .

    Re Oliver:

    1. Oliver deadpans it, true, but as you point out, then leads the interviewee farther down the garden path of more obvious absurdities. Most MSM journalists don’t do this.

    2. Oliver’s team edits his interviews, interspersed with obvious counterexamples. His expose a couple years ago of the Hellish experience of Swedish socialism was hilarious.

    3. Oliver shows his recorded interviews to a different audience than MSM news. We here, for instance, are not the same demographic as the readers of People magazine. Different crowds need different things pointed out.

  • lordshipmayhem

    I’ll give him this: at least he acknowledges that dinosaurs died off long before humans. Most Republicans seem to think that the Flintstones was a documentary.