Huelskamp Wants ‘Real Men’ to Stop Gay Marriage

Thursday was the National Organization for Marriage’s “March for Marriage” in DC and the stupid was flowing freely. Rep. Tim Huelskamp demanded that “real men” — FFS, I’m tired of that idiotic trope — to stand up against gay marriage. For the women and children, of course.

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  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Gosh, I’m trying hard not to get gay married because I’ve gotten hetero married twice and both time resulted in serious damage to traditional marriage.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    In fact my 2 failed hetero marriages did so much damage to traditional marriage that I’m willing to shoulder the blame for its more or less complete destruction and the onset of gay marriage. Blame me. My shoulders are Plato’s; I can take it.

  • sh3baproject

    i thought real men rock climbed and acted like a dick to women. am i missing something?

  • pacal

    Last I heard Gay men were “real Men” and they are generally in favor of Gay Marriage these days. But of course this reference to “Real Men” is a poorly coded way of communicating in part the common trope among some that Gay men aren’t “really” men.

  • alanb

    @Marcus Ranum,

    Your problem is that it probably never occurred to you to love your wife because you didn’t have Tim Huelskamp around to direct you. If only he had given this speech a few decades earlier I’m sure your life would be much different now.

  • Doug Little

    And by real men he means small minded bigots that happen to be male.

  • John Pieret

    Since Huelskamp doubtless thinks those un-Real Men are ‘limp-wristed pansies’ maybe we could recruit a few gay men willing to have a fist fight with Huelskamp.

    Not really, of course. Who want to see a congresscritter beaten to a pulp?

    Possibly under the impression that the legalization of same-sex marriage will break up opposite-sex unions, the Kansas Republican congressman emphasized that he loves his wife and believes that men who love their wives must join the fight to stop marriage equality.

    It is interesting that Huelskamp apparently thinks that, if women are exposed to men who don’t play to the macho-man stereotype, they will leave their husbands in droves. He may be onto something.

  • Kevin Kehres

    I dunno, Marcus. I think I damaged hetero marriage pretty badly myself. Don’t want you to take all the blame.

    Only I had the good sense to stop at one.

  • Trebuchet

    I’d have sworn I saw something yesterday about the attendance at this massive march being about the same as Operation American Spring. Can’t find it now. Anyone?

  • rationalinks

    To me this is easily one of the most ridiculous arguments against marriage equality. If we allow homosexual couples to marry it will cause heterosexual couples to get a divorce? How? Why? I have never heard any rethuglican give any indication on to how that actually works.

  • Mobius

    For the women and children, of course.

    But, but, but…what if the women are lesbians?

  • Erik

    Wow these idiots are still at it? What do they think they’re even accomplishing at this point, and who actually are the poor deluded people standing with them?

  • colnago80

    Re Trebuchet @ #9

    Attendance was estimated at 2000 so they did better then Operation American Spring.

  • whheydt

    Re: Trebuchet @ #9 & coinago80 @ #13….

    According to the Slate article yesterday, attendance was about 1000. That also puts it at better than OAS, but either figure is rather unimpressive.

    Does anyone know how many they got last year? The comparison would probably be more telling than the actual number from this year.

  • moarscienceplz

    Rep. Tim Huelskamp demanded that “real men” — FFS, I’m tired of that idiotic trope — stand up against gay marriage.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but ISTM that a “real man” would be secure enough in his own skin to not be particularly bothered by what other people do in their private lives.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Not really, of course. Who want to see a congresscritter beaten to a pulp?”

    Everybody?

    “I dunno, Marcus. I think I damaged hetero marriage pretty badly myself. Don’t want you to take all the blame. ”

    I pre-emptively damaged heteromarriage by being a terrible boyfriend in order to keep from being any sort of husband.

    “If we allow homosexual couples to marry it will cause heterosexual couples to get a divorce?”

    Psst. Ixnay on the easonray for Redstate ivorceday! There has been a program in place since the Carter era to infiltrate stealth gaymawwied couples into the South and other EotBS* to cause good, KKKristian heteromarriages to spontaneously combust by the millions.

    “Maybe I’m wrong, but ISTM that a “real man” would be secure enough in his own skin to not be particularly bothered by what other people do in their private lives.”

    I had a roommate some years ago who came home while I was prepping for a dinner party I was having the next night. The house was pretty cool (saving money on heat) and I was wearing a sweater, clogs and my very handsome Beret Impermeable (the ‘Basque’ model) and I actually looked quite fetching. He asked what I was making and I told him that the current task was a Quiche Lorraine.

    He said “REAL men don’t MAKE quiche!”; I told him that real men don’t give a fuck what people like him say.

    * Enclaves** of teh Burnin’ Stoopit

    ** Not to be confusalated with KotCSB–KKKlaverns of teh Cross Burnin’ Stoopit

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    it probably never occurred to you to love your wife because you didn’t have Tim Huelskamp around to direct you

    Whaaaaa?!?!?!?!?!? I thought all you needed to do to have a happy marriage and kids was to periodically sweat on your wife. That’s what they do in all the Conan movies, anyway.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    I pre-emptively damaged heteromarriage by being a terrible boyfriend in order to keep from being any sort of husband.

    I think that makes you a candidate for pope, if you’re catholic.

  • freehand

    Marcus Ranum: I think that makes you a candidate for pope, if you’re catholic.

    .

    If you’re…

    No wonder I kept getting all those polite rejection letters.

  • Subtract Hominem, a product of Nauseam

    Who cares what “real men” get up to? I call on the nation’s surreal men to retread the helium mangoes. Now that’s making a difference!

  • Kimpatsu
  • sabrekgb

    So…what in that speech was against gays getting married? I mean, i coulda done without the god part, but i can actually support pretty much everything he said there. Does he realize he’s not actually saying anything bad about gays in that whole minute or so?

  • carbonfox

    My best friend is a gay man and is hands-down one of the best men I’ve ever had the fortune to meet. We dated and lived together for almost half a decade before he accepted his sexuality. When we were in high school, he was there at three in the morning, no questions asked, when my father died. After we split, I still lived with him and he supported me while I went to school. We weren’t having sex and we shared the housework, so a lesser man like Huelskamp would never understand why he didn’t give me the boot. The reason, of course, is because we shared a type of love beyond the realm of tiny-minded fools like Huelskamp. To this day, if I EVER need ANYTHING, I know I can call him and he will go out of his way to help me. I recently had a medical problem and without my asking, he called specialists for me and offered to take off of work to drive four hours to my residence and help me. I admire his courage in always standing by his principles even though we live in a very fundamentalist area. My best friend is a gay man, and if a such thing as a “real man” exists, he is one. So fuck idiots like Huelskamp.

  • carbonfox

    Also, I come from a piss-poor and fragmented family, and my friend is the only person I’ve ever been able to rely on and I consider him my only real family. I take bigotry against homosexuals extremely personally. I’m in rage mode because for some reason there has been an anti-gay spree on Facebook and I’ve had to block quite a few “friends” and even “family” after heated arguments that were obviously going nowhere. But despite the pleas of relatives, I won’t “keep the peace” or “let it go”. Fuck ’em, they weren’t around when I needed help, but my friend was, so I’ll pick him every time…and continue to call out their bigotry.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “So…what in that speech was against gays getting married?”

    Clueless moron to white courtesy phone, clueless moron to white courtesy phone….

    You watched the video? You watched the OTHER videos with assholes like Mr. Huckafuck saying that teh GAY would bring the wrath of GOD down on the heads of KKKristians and sinners alike–IF WE DON”T STOP THEM FROM GETTING MARRIED.

    Or are you just a fan of Huelskamp because he’s a canned “YES!”, for whatever load of bullshit gunzloonz nation is pushing in any particular election?

    This:

    ” 100% pro-gun voting record

    As a long-time NRA member and hunter, I have always supported the 2nd Amendment rights of Kansans. I believe that the United States Constitution was written to permanently protect these rights as individual rights that can be exercised by any law abiding citizen.

    My voting record has been 100% pro-gun. As your congressman, I will be a strong and consistent ally for sportsmen and gun owners, and I will always support the 2nd Amendment.

    Source: 2010 House campaign website, huelskamp.org, “Issues” , Nov 2, 2010 ”

    does give him a sort of manly attractiveness.

    Major FAIL!

    Hey, wait, that would be a better nym than sabrekgb, “Major FAIL”, yeah, it’s gotta certain mix of pomp and smirkenstance.

  • sabrekgb

    @25 democomie

    Your sarcasm detector might be broken. Radioshack has a sale going on, you might want to pick a new one up.

    I was pointing out that, unless you knew already what a bigot he was, everything (mostly) he said in that video could have been said by people who didn’t want to deprive others of rights. I was pointing out that he’s not making sense, and that his rambling in this case is a complete non-sequitur. “Real Men” support their marriages…well, yes…yes they do. What does that have to do with gays? “Real Men” can support their marriages to other “Real Men” and love their children.

    Look, another case of you not being able to think of someone who disagrees with you on a different issue (the gunZZzzZZZzzzzzzz!) as anything other than “them”, and hence must disagree with you on everything else.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “So…what in that speech was against gays getting married? I mean, i coulda done without the god part, but i can actually support pretty much everything he said there. Does he realize he’s not actually saying anything bad about gays in that whole minute or so?”

    That’s sarcasm? Urdoonitrong.

    “Look, another case of you not being able to think of someone who disagrees with you on a different issue (the gunZZzzZZZzzzzzzz!) as anything other than “them”,”

    No, Major Fail, you’re completely wrong. Disagreeing with me is not something that I see as any sort of problem; your being a fucking liar, otoh, is something that I see as a problem.

    Do go fuck yourself, really.

  • sabrekgb

    @27 democommie

    Here, let me break it down for you: Huelskamp is a bigot. Huelskamp gives a speech intending to be against gay marriage. The actual content of his speech (well, the part above in the video) when parsed literally doesn’t actually say anything against gays (at least, if you don’t know the particular dog whistles). If you are giving a speech against gays, shouldn’t some of the content actually be against gays? Bigotry…i think he may be doin it wrong. That makes me chuckle. If that’s my sarcasm goin’ wrong…i’m ok with that. *shrug*

    “Disagreeing with me is not something that I see as any sort of problem; your being a fucking liar, otoh, is something that I see as a problem.”

    Cool…now you’re just making shit up. Where have i lied? What was the lie? Pretty sure your little snit with me started because I’m a….what’s the term…? Ah, yes, “GunzLOOOON…zzzZzZZZZZZ” and you didn’t like (or want to respond directly to) what i actually had to say.

    “Do go fuck yourself, really.”

    Hey, if that’s what you got, keep tossin’ it out there.