Washington Times Fudges March for Marriage Numbers

The Washington Times reported on Thursday that the National Organization’s March for Marriage attracted “hundreds” of people, then later changed it to “thousands.” But the telltale signs of the change are rather obvious because the URL for the article still says hundreds. Oops.

The threat of rain clouds and sweltering heat could not keep supporters from coming out in droves Thursday on Capitol Hill to defend the traditional definition of marriage, that is the union of a man and a woman.

At the March for Marriage rally, thousands of people cheered and waved signs reading “every child deserves a mom and dad,” and some picnicked while dozens of speakers delivered passionate speeches declaring natural marriage to be the best for the American people before marching down Constitution Avenue, ending their rally in front of the Supreme Court.

Of course, the idea that a newspaper owned by the Rev. Moon and his Unification church considers itself a defender of traditional marriage is laughable on its face. They still perform mass weddings of adherents to people they’ve never even met, for crying out loud. And Moon himself was divorced and remarried, while proclaiming both wives to be divine like him (apparently the first one wasn’t quite divine enough for him). And he also fathered a child out of wedlock while having an affair.

Amusingly, NOM is trying to claim that there were 10,000 people there.

With gay marriage continuing to gain momentum and acceptance in the nation’s culture, Joe Grabowski, director of communications for the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), said standing for the biblical definition of marriage “can feel like a very lonely position.” NOM organized the march to bring people together. Last year, roughly 7,000 attended. This year, organizers estimated as many as 10,000 joined the procession.

“It’s really nice to see you’re not the only one out there,” said Karlene Carkhuff, who attended the march with her family both years. She pointed to her daughters and said, “These girls need to see they’re not alone.”

Yeah, I’ve seen the pictures. If there were 10,000 people there, at least 9000 of them must have been of the invisible variety.

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  • dingojack

    Here’s a fun game –

    March for Marriage 2014 and March for Marriage Equality.

    Apart from the issue, can you spot the difference?

    (Hint: How many attended?).

    :) Dingo

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Or short….

    They could have been very short!

  • John Pieret

    Hundreds, thousands … what’s important is that it represented a significant percentage of TRUE AMERICANS™!

  • mjmiller

    Well, they just could have been in the men’s room at the DC airport.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ richardelguru : Short? I’m short but not that short! They’d have to be microscopic – all 9,000 of them and holding really tiny signs!

    I think the days of NOM are nombered indeed and that even they must be realising that by now – a very good thing.

    PS. Any idea what an accurate figure for the attendance for that NOM march of thou.. hund.. er…would ya believe tens of people really was?

  • Jared Ragland

    Who’re the Times kidding? There weren’t “droves;” there were maybe half a drove, at best. And most of them took the train in lieu of trying to find a parking space in D.C.

  • dingojack

    Jared Ragland – maybe they meant that shepherds were required to get the sheepie more-or-less facing in the same direction.



    Or perhaps that the majority of the claimed number on the march ‘had gone adroving, and we don’t know where he are’

  • colnago80

    Re StevoR @ #5

    The best estimates I have seen are about 2000, assuming that one can distinguish between the marchers and the tourists who, as usual at this time of year, are out in force.

  • scienceavenger

    …standing for the biblical definition of marriage “can feel like a very lonely position.”

    I drink your tears. Get used to it.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Hundreds? Thousands? I was there, and it was at least a kajillion! There were so many people in DC, that by the time I got out I’d accidently gotten gay married. It’s unavoidable!

  • roggg

    They didn’t claim 10,000 attendees. They claimed “as many as 10,000”. In other words, they put the upper bound at 10k, which is almost certainly a valid upper bound. So there.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I think the days of NOM are nombered indeed and that even they must be realising that by now – a very good thing.

    Mainly because it means that they’ll amp up their public outreach. Not to mention their efforts to put Republican politicians on the spot.

  • cptdoom

    Well, there were about another thousand watching the live stream on the interwebs. How many of them were LGBT activists (either in person or on-line) is anyone’s guess. Of course, last year NOM tweeted out a picture of Maggie Gallagher talking with a supporter of “traditional marriage” outside the Supreme Court when the Perry and Windsor cases were being heard. Trouble was, the “supporter” was a minister for a gay-friendly church who was at the protest with his husband (I’d met and spoken with them both earlier in the day). Journalistic accuracy is not exactly a hallmark of the “keep marriage straight” movement.

  • magistramarla

    I feel sorry for Karlene Carkhuff’s daughters. Their generation is overwhelmingly in favor of marriage equality. The ideas that their mother is teaching them will either put them in the position of being considered on the fringe by most of their peers, or they will eventually learn to think for themselves and will learn to distrust their mother.

    I hope that they do the latter.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    What is it with wingnuts and exaggerating their numbers at protests? They do it every time, not just by a little, but usually by an order of magnitude or more. I understand that they want to make their support seem greater than it really is, but by falsifying the numbers in such obvious ways, they make themselves look ridiculous. I’m wondering what cerebral short-circuit is causing them to do this.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Area Man “What is it with wingnuts and exaggerating their numbers at protests?”

    If they form America’s Moral Majority, there must be more people there than there appear to be. Beside, Leftwing protests only have such “big numbers” because ACORN counts everybody a bunch of times.

  • busterggi

    The 9000 were camoflaged as tourists.

  • vmanis1

    When the Russian Social Democratic and Labor Party split in 1903, one faction at the convention called themselves the Bolsheviki (`majorityites’), in spite of the fact that they were not really the majority; both they and their opponents (Mensheviki) won some votes, and by the end there really was no clear majority on either side. There is a long history of playing with numbers. (Back in the 1980s, I refused to wear t-shirts emblazoned with `Immoral Minority’; but I did rejoice in owning a t-shirt with the slogan `We are the REAL Moral Majority’.)

    I actually feel sad for the NOMmies and their allies. Not only are they completely unable to win any form of political contest (last night they failed to unseat a New York representative, Richard Hanna, who’s a marriage equality supporter), but their nationally-advertised (and endorsed by some Catholic archdioceses) march attracted fewer people than the student body of the high-school I attended long ago. (And many of their attendees may have in fact been bussed there under misleading premises.)

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    To be fair, 300 is all they need. I haven’t seen the end of 300, but it got a sequel, so I assume they won.

  • whheydt

    Re: Area Man @ #15…

    *Everybody* overstates numbers. It just appears the the nutcases tend to exaggerate the numbers more that the saner people do.

    Indeed…it’s not a phenomenon unique to rallies. During the Battle of Britain, British pilots were credited with shooting down about twice as many German aircraft as they actually got. Worked out well for the British, though. The German pilots were credited with three times as many kills as they really got.

    (And the resultant German estimates of the RAF forces lead to the following fictional exchange…

    High officer: The British are down to their last 50 Spitfires.

    Returned fighter pilot: In that case, all 50 were after *me*.)

  • dingojack

    whheydt – “‘Everybody’ overstates numbers…’

    Up to 16 million of we Dingoes beg to differ….

    :) Dingo

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @8. colnago80 :

    Re StevoR @ #5 – The best estimates I have seen are about 2000, assuming that one can distinguish between the marchers and the tourists who, as usual at this time of year, are out in force.

    Cheers for that. Much appreciated.