Another Stupid Challenge to Atheists

Remember Josh Feuerstein, the incredibly shouty Christian preacher who cut that idiotic Youtube video about creationism that got so much attention a couple months ago? Well he’s back now with a $100,000 challenge to atheists if they can prove that there is no God.

httpv://youtu.be/mTXZ1uPMTjI

Oi vey. This is the kind of thing that is convincing only to the dullest of dullards. As I used to tell people who wrote in to the TalkOrigins Archive demanding that we take up Kent Hovind’s $250,000 challenge, I would gladly offer a million dollars to them to prove all kinds of things that they don’t believe in using the same standards. One could easily challenge Feuerstein for $100,000 to prove that there are not leprechauns and he would fail that as well.

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  • Michael Heath

    The best argument theists have that I’m aware of is the following.

    They concede there’s no evidence of a god but they have faith there is one. They celebrate faith while avoiding scrutiny of its demonstrated utility. They baldly assert this god(s) happens to have the same attributes nearly all were raised to believe were true – if not by their parents then by their respective culture at large. Those attributes compared to competing explanations by religions in other cultures.

  • http://withinthismind.com/ WithinThisMind

    The problem with disproving the existence of god is that god is that ‘god’ remains undefined.

    Actually give me a concrete, meaningful definition for ‘god’ and I’ll disprove it every time. But as long as they can keep redefining the term and moving the goalposts, it’s impossible.

    The Christian god has been disproven many times using the bible itself, and more times using believers.

  • Alverant

    The bible repeated says that God can do anything. That’s proven to be impossible more than 100 years ago.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Is the $100,000 in escrow?

    (I’m guessing no)

  • tuibguy

    Does he have an unnamed panel of experts to judge whether the atheist has sufficiently proven that there is no god?

  • Randomfactor

    Someone should offer this guy twenty bucks if he can prove he’s got $100,000 to pay off if he loses…

  • Cuttlefish

    Can he prove that I haven’t disproven god?

  • chirez

    The parallel with JREF’s million dollar challenge should be obvious, but it runs deeper than is immediately apparent.

    Opponents of the JREF tend to claim that the challenge is unfair, that the goalposts move, that it’s impossible to pass. Those same arguments will be used against this, and regardless of whether they are true or not in either case, will appear equally valid to a casual observer.

    Also, the longer it goes untaken, the more significant such a challenge becomes. I’m not suggesting anyone should attempt this, without demanding severely concrete rules in advance, but even if nobody goes near it, he will claim victory.

    The interesting question to me is what factors govern the significance of that claim. People regularly claim victory in public debate, without being able to substantiate such a claim. Most likely this chunk of stupid will sink into obscurity, but I wonder if there’s any way to help it along.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    You’d think an assassination like that would pay more.

  • forestdragon

    How about I pay him a hundred bucks if he can prove there *is* a god? And I mean concrete proof, none of that ‘I feel it in my heart’ bullshit. Just because I ‘feel’ my Papillion is the kyootest thing ever, doesn’t mean it’s true.

    Hmmm… I wonder if standing out in a thunderstorm in a forest and shouting “God is a murdering psychotic bastard!” and not being struck by lightning would count as proof. Probably not – this moron would probably say that he was too busy smiting gays in Africa or something.

  • caseloweraz

    Feuerstein claims hundreds or thousands of e-mails from atheists who converted. That’s a laughable claim.

  • caseloweraz

    Grumpyoldfart: Is the $100,000 in escrow?

    I tend to agree that it’s not. Regardless, the first step for anyone considering accepting this challenge should be to find out whether such an amount has been placed in escrow, along with as much detail as possible.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Which god, specifically, out of the dozens in current use? The god worshiped by the LDS? The Catholic god? The one honored by the UUA? The childless Jewish god?

    As WithinThisMind said, we must first come to an agreement of what “god” means exactly.

  • cry4turtles

    Bionic Dance has an excellent response to this on YouTube.

  • whirligig

    The Bible (source of all Truth) lays out a test for proving God’s Godness. You’re going to want to repeat it several times to get a good sample, so you’ll need a few hundred Prophets of God, a few thousand priests of Baal, and several hundred oxen. As a control, you should repeat the process with priests of other gods. Pele would be a good candidate for this test.

    It’s going to be tough getting the whole thing past an ethics board since the idea is for one or more of the gods to incinerate the test participants calling on the others, but aren’t some small sacrifices worth it for Science?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    OK, goddists: prove to me that you haven’t got an invisible butt-worm.

  • jufulu

    I had a very silly response the other day to the “true and correct” challenge to atheism. It was simply “because I say so”, which is pretty much all they have.

  • dhall

    Judging by the quality of the sign he’s holding up and the overall production values, among other things, I’d be willing to bet that he’s never seen $100,000 in person, much less had it in hand. Unless that’s all he had, and he put it in escrow, and had nothing left for this wonderful video.

  • ebotebo

    Chunk of stupid! {{{chortle}}}

  • http://almosteverythingsucks.wordpress.com Hank_Says

    #11:

    Feuerstein claims hundreds or thousands of e-mails from atheists who converted. That’s a laughable claim.

    Hilarious, in fact. I will personally give Fake Fred Durst up there one dollar for every single atheist he’s personally and verifiably converted.

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    whirligig @ 15

    Pele is a huge improvement over most other gods in that she may very well have existed.

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    Asshole, first show us the money. Then define the god you think we can’t disprove.

    Failing this, Pele commends casting yourself into Kīlauea.

  • lorn

    Well two can play at that game.

    I offer a billion dollar reward for clear, direct, incontrovertible and unambiguous proof of the existence of a personal God who will show up in a physically extant humanoid form and demonstrate his/her omniscience and power through a series of test.

  • gearloose

    How did I learn there is no god? Blotter under tongue, smoked some inspirational, and there He was! “Foolish one,” he said, “argue me into existence, grant me omnipotence, and expect me to tarry in your universe? I’m gone.” And he was. I know there is no god because he told me so himself.

  • skinnercitycyclist

    “The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity.”

    As usual perhaps, a poet put it best. W. B. Yeats, “The Second Coming”

  • Anri

    I cannot prove the nonexistence of god.

    Odin, in specific. I can’t prove that Odin doesn’t exist.

    Therefore, he must convert to worshiping Odin.

    Otherwise, this challenge has no more meaning for his god than it does for any other.

  • freehand

    Hank_Says says: Feuerstein claims hundreds or thousands of e-mails from atheists who converted. That’s a laughable claim.

    .

    Hilarious, in fact. I will personally give Fake Fred Durst up there one dollar for every single atheist he’s personally and verifiably converted.

    .

    Careful with this one. Many Fundies think that simple self indulgence (back-sliding) is atheism. A young southern Baptist goes off to the Army or college, goes to parties, stops going to church and thinks he’s an atheist. Later, when he grows up and starts feeling responsible, he “converts” and goes to church again.

    .

    Most Fundies, in fact, cannot conceive that some other people actually don’t believe in Gods, aren’t “angry at God”, and don’t feel a gaping hole in their lives.

    .

    Genuine atheists converted to biblical literalism? Yeah, few and far between.

  • Kevin Kehres

    Atheists aren’t the ones claiming there is a god. Therefore, the burden of proof is not on us.

    I agree that the biggest problem with this challenge is that the dullard hasn’t defined exactly what he means by the word “god”. Quetzalcoatl will be very angry if he defines a different god that one must disprove.

  • Kevin Kehres

    Why do I keep getting brought back to those commercials?

    That’s not it works. That’s not how any of this works.

  • steve78b

    I’m sorry….. he looks like an idiot with his hat on that way…

    Therefore….. there is no god!!

    ……. easy……..

  • Friendly

    Universal negatives can’t be proven under any circumstances. If Mr. Feuerstein disagrees, I would like him to conclusively prove that aliens have not replaced the National Cathedral with an exact replica and that his Bible doesn’t turn into a Bible-shaped chunk of solid broccoli whenever it is not being perceived or recorded.

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