Chicago Archbishop Waxes Stupid on Same-Sex Marriage

Francis Cardinal George, the Archbishop of the Chicago diocese of the Catholic Church, has a record of saying really, really dumb things on a range of issues. He continues that unbroken record with a dishonest and ridiculous column in Catholic New World, discussing same-sex marriage.

In recent years, society has brought social and legislative approval to all types of sexual relationships that used to be considered “sinful.” Since the biblical vision of what it means to be human tells us that not every friendship or love can be expressed in sexual relations, the church’s teaching on these issues is now evidence of intolerance for what the civil law upholds and even imposes. What was once a request to live and let live has now become a demand for approval. The “ruling class,” those who shape public opinion in politics, in education, in communications, in entertainment, is using the civil law to impose its own form of morality on everyone. We are told that, even in marriage itself, there is no difference between men and women, although nature and our very bodies clearly evidence that men and women are not interchangeable at will in forming a family. Nevertheless, those who do not conform to the official religion, we are warned, place their citizenship in danger.

You are warned? By whom, exactly? And upon what evidence? Is there anyone in the entire country who has even suggested that those who oppose same-sex marriage be stripped of their citizenship? No? Then you’re just plain full of shit. You’re lying to your followers. This is not surprising, of course.

Swimming against the tide means limiting one’s access to positions of prestige and power in society. It means that those who choose to live by the Catholic faith will not be welcomed as political candidates to national office, will not sit on editorial boards of major newspapers, will not be at home on most university faculties, will not have successful careers as actors and entertainers.

Um. What? There are currently 163 Catholics in Congress, about 30% of the total. That’s higher than the 25% they comprise of Americans. Six of the nine Supreme Court justices are Catholic. And in not a single instance was their Catholicism made an issue during their elections or confirmation fights. There was once anti-Catholic bigotry that locked them out of the seats of power, but that is decades in the past.

institutions, no matter who owns or operates them, will be agents of the government and conform their activities to the demands of the official religion, the practice of medicine and law will become more difficult for faithful Catholics. It already means in some States that those who run businesses must conform their activities to the official religion or be fined, as Christians and Jews are fined for their religion in countries governed by Sharia law.

Sharia law? Really? The same Sharia law that would agree with you on same-sex marriage? Is that really the comparison you want to make?

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  • birgerjohansson

    “the practice of medicine and law will become more difficult for faithful Catholics” if the latter insist on ramming their religious prohibitions down the throats of patients…..I hope.

    The ruling class…[ ] …is using the civil law to impose its own form of morality on everyone. That is the job of our Church!

  • tsig

    Next we have Hugh Hefner writing a column on the Joys of Celibacy.

  • tbp1

    Delusions of grandeur AND a persecution complex. Stuff like this (and the hilarious internecine squabble over Fulton Sheen’s body detailed in the NY Times yesterday) are why rational people are leaving the RCC on droves.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    In recent years, society has brought social and legislative approval to all types of sexual relationships that used to be considered “sinful.”

    Now he sits anxiously waiting for pedophilia to be one of those sinful relationships that get “approved”.

  • cptdoom

    Um. What? There are currently 163 Catholics in Congress, about 30% of the total. That’s higher than the 25% they comprise of Americans. Six of the nine Supreme Court justices are Catholic.

    Oh, but Ed, are those individuals really choosing to “live by the Catholic faith,” as defined by George? Apparently he now believes living “by the Catholic faith” requires one to refuse to recognize the legal equality of those who don’t live by that faith, which is news to me. It certainly wasn’t what I was taught 30 years ago when I was confirmed into the Catholic Church.

    And it’s fascinating to me that George is only complaining about same-sex marriage. What about all those other marriages – including that of Mitt Romney – that don’t meet Catholic rules? Hasn’t the Church also been forced to recognize those sinful choices as legitimate marriages, at least legally? Catholic hospitals can’t refuse to let Mormons see their spouses when hospitalized, Catholic businesses can’t refuse to serve Mormons, and even Catholic adoption agencies that take state/federal money must consider Mormons (who are heretics) as potential adoptive parents, even though those agencies would be participating in the condemnation of those adopted children to everlasting torment and separation from God.

    Oh, and let’s remember this is the same Church that recognized Newt Gingrich’s childless marriage to his homewrecking partner in adultery, after he converted. Just sayin’

  • Mr Ed

    I went to a Catholic high school in what must have been a very brief moment of enlightenment. The staff was from many faiths or none. In biology class creationism was excluded and in literature the gospels were dissected as myths. In religion class we were given moral dilemmas and asked to make cogent moral arguments. Not mindless bible quote mining but a supportable argument. If same sex marriage is wrong, or sinful make a well reasoned argument not some flawed appeal to we’ve never done it before.

    I think the cardinal needs a new irony meter when a prince of the church complains about the ruling class. [and a celibate man lectures on sex.]

  • raven

    …the practice of medicine and law will become more difficult for faithful Catholics.

    Well thank Cthulhu for small favors!!!

    This won’t be much of a problem. There aren’t very many “faithful Catholics”.

    The RCC is the original Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell organization. The members pretend the priests have something worthwhile to say and the priests pretend that anyone is listening to them.

    …has a record of saying really, really dumb things on a range of issues.

    This is the norm for Catholic priests. They haven’t been able to get good priests for generations now. No one wants to be a (supposed) lifelong virgin for a fading cult. What they’ve ended up with even among the leaders are warped old men who aren’t very bright.

  • John Pieret

    Swimming against the tide means limiting one’s access to positions of prestige and power in society. It means that those who choose to live by the Catholic faith any form of bigotry will not be welcomed as political candidates to national office, will not sit on editorial boards of major newspapers, will not be at home on most university faculties, will not have successful careers as actors and entertainers.

    FTFY

  • smrnda

    I don’t get how permitting same sex marriage imposes anything on anyone. Does George feel that false religions are imposed on him since the Protestants, Jews, Muslims Buddhists and Hindus (among others) are allowed to build houses of worship which are just as legal and tax exempt as his?

    The Catholic church can choose not to recognize someone’s marriage if they divorced and remarried, the same way they can pretend a stale cracker and some cheap win is the blood and body of some kind of demigod. However, these beliefs are not and should not be the basis of law, and there is no right to have one’s beliefs respected. If you want to play the ‘blood and body of Christ’ game with a cracker, and people laugh at it, so what? Same with if you view “Penis into Vagina” as the defining feature of marriage.

  • raven

    The US Catholic church isn’t anywhere near as powerful as they claim.

    In the last decade or so they’ve lost 1/3 of their members, a huge 30 million or so.

    Their big hope was the growing Hispanic population. That isn’t working so well either. They are leaving by the millions.

    Even as US Hispanics Lift Catholicism, Many Are Leaving the

    www .nytimes. com/…/even-as-hispanics-lift-catholicism-theyre-leaving-it.ht…

    May 7, 2014 – The seemingly mind-bending result: Even as a rising percentage of American Catholics is Hispanic, a falling percentage of American Hispanics …

    In just 4 years US Hispanics dropped from 67% to 55% Catholic.

  • petemoulton

    “You’re lying to your followers. This is not surprising, of course.”

    Not surprising at all, since he lies to his followers for a living.

  • RickR

    John Pieret @8- I was going to make exactly the same post, only I was going to try to make it work with the KKK. But yours works just as well.

    Yeah, that’s kind of the bitch about being on the wrong side of history Archbishop. More and more, people just don’t want to have anything to do with you.

  • eric

    What was once a request to live and let live has now become a demand for approval.

    What nonsense. He’s got it completely turned backwards. It’s conservative christians who are demanding the law reflect their own beliefs. SSM proponents are requesting you allow gays to get on with their lives in peace.

    It means that those who choose to live by the Catholic faith will not be welcomed as political candidates to national office, will not sit on editorial boards of major newspapers, will not be at home on most university faculties, will not have successful careers as actors and entertainers.

    I fail to see how SSM can have anything to do with this. Okay, I’m a University looking to hire some candidate. I see from the information I have that the candidate is Catholic and hetero-married. How the frack can I deduce anything about their position on SSM from that? I can’t, unless they volunteer it. I’m certainly not going to ask about it.

  • raven

    It means that those who choose to live by the Catholic faith will not be welcomed as political candidates to national office, will not sit on editorial boards of major newspapers, will not be at home on most university faculties, will not have successful careers as actors and entertainers.

    Hmmm, well so what? What is the downside here?

    In realityland it won’t make any difference. Since when is it Catholic dogma that Catholics have to run around telling everyone they are Catholic and they hate gay people. I think that went out a few centuries ago when they were forced to stop telling everyone they hate Protestants and then killing any Protestants they found.

  • dingojack

    “The “ruling class,” those who shape public opinion in politics, in education, in communications, in entertainment, is using the civil law to impose its own form of morality on everyone.”

    Hmm – Has Cardinal Fang been offered a nomination for the Bryan Fischer Award yet?

    Dingo

    ———

    On a note about language: I’d construe a ‘class’ as being a plural (hence ‘those who shape public opinion’ & etc.), thus ‘are using civil law to impose their own morality’. Note also, the lack of an article for ‘civil law’, it doesn’t need one.

    Sorry to be a pedant Cardinal Fang, carry on with your ‘preaching to vacancy’.

  • hunter

    “What was once a request to live and let live has become a demand for approval.”

    This from the man who compared Chicago’s Gay Pride Parade to a march by the KKK.

  • dingojack

    Raven (#10) – RE: Latino religious beliefs.

    See here for the original research.

    Hope that adds more data points.

    Dingo

  • whheydt

    He should welcome SSM. It would solve some of his other problems rather neatly. Let the priests marry each other.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I know what it’s like to be him. People don’t listen to me, either. Granted, most of my opinions are insane, my morality is backwards, and I’m wrapped in corruption. So that’s three more things we’ve got in common.

  • petemoulton

    Modus @#19: It sounds like you’re applying for his job.

  • http://Reallyawakeguy.blogspot.com somnus

    Umm… Nobody cares about Catholics living out their faith (as it pertains to themselves). They are perfectly free to choose only heterosexual marriages, and to abandon the use of contraceptives, and any other of the long list of long list of religiously motivated peccadilloes they choose. Why is it so hard for them to understand the very simple dividing line: you can choose it for yourself, but you cannot force it on others.

    Catholics can choose to marry only opposite genders. They cannot Use the government to force others to marry only opposite genders. Catholics can choose not to use contraception. They cannot use the government to force others to not use contraception. What is so hard to grasp here?

  • steve84

    Don’t take advice and commands on sexuality and relationships from someone who is at best a celibate, old virgin and at worst a child rapist.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Steve84, I envy you the innocence that lets you believe that child rape is the worst that a Catholic priest could be guilty of.

  • Matt G

    How many Catholics actually listen to these clowns anymore? As older Catholics die off, I have a hard time seeing younger people taking their places.

  • John Pieret

    Matt G @ 24:

    How many Catholics actually listen to these clowns anymore?

    It’s been a long time since American Catholics listened to them. When i was a kid in the 60s, it was an open secret that that the “rhythm method” wasn’t keeping American Catholic birth rates to the American average of 2.5 children. The priests simply looked the other way. When New York was considering a law allowing same-sex marriage, the bishops couldn’t mount an effective opposition, despite the fact that New York is one of the most heavily “Catholic” states in America. American Catholicism is a different animal … where parishioners may go to church on Sundays for all the stately mumbo-jumbo but keep their own counsel on social issues.