David Lane’s Historical Nonsense

David Lane, the most powerful figure on the Christian right that you may never have heard (he has replaced Ralph Reed as the primary kingmaker), has a real problem with history. He doesn’t know the difference between a British colony charter and the United States of America.

In 1607 Jamestown founder Robert Hunt began to set down America’s foundation with these words:

“We do hereby Dedicate this Land, and ourselves, to reach the People within these shores with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to raise up Godly generations after us, and with these generations take the Kingdom of God to all the earth. May this Covenant of Dedication remain to all generations, as long as this earth remains, and may this Land, along with England, be Evangelist to the World.”

This covenant is still in force. God does not forget, even if we do.

Must have learned his history at Regent University. No, the charter of Jamestown was not “America’s foundation.” Quite the opposite, actually. Jamestown was a British colony granted by a king who claimed the divine right to rule. It’s hard to imagine a system less like the one created by the Constitution, which was written, perhaps Lane might recall, after we fought a revolution to overthrow British rule.

American exceptionalism blusters, “In our prosperity, we shall never be moved.” Ah, but what has godless secularism produced? Red ink as far as the eye can see: racism, injustice, the murder of fifty-five million babies, the advancement of the homosexual agenda, fatherless homes, an epidemic of drugs and crime and the widespread acceptance and usage of pornography, especially among America’s youth.

Really? Godless secularism caused all those things? Fascinating. And fucking stupid.

More to the point, there can be no reconciliation of opposites, particularly the spiritual and the secular.Therefore, we need to establish if America is a pagan or Christian nation and get on with it—the sooner the better. The peacemakers are ones who are blessed (Matt. 5:9), not the peace “hopers,” the peace “wishers,” or the peace “talkers.” We have to make the peace: either secularism or Christian values are going to reign supreme.

Ah yes, the false dichotomy. Of course, lots of Christians are strongly opposed to your authoritarian vision of a “Christian nation” and oppose your attempts to impose it on the nation.

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  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    Yeah, America! You were just and devoid of racism before the evils of secularism started sinking its claws into you!

  • John Pieret

    we need to establish if America is a pagan or Christian nation

    I didn’t know secularism was a form of paganism. As to whether this is to be a secular nation or not, that was settled by the Founders (with some aid from the people who fought and won the Civil War).

  • raven

    Really? Godless secularism caused all those things?

    Actually all those things happened while we were a xian nation with a very large xian majority. And it is worse in the most religious states.

    Lane doesn’t even know where he has been living for his entire life.

  • raven

    we need to establish if America is a pagan or Christian nation

    It’s an easy choice.

    Oddly enough, while we were in David Lanes fantasy world, the USA became the world’s largest economy, the leader in science, leader of the free world, defeated the commies, sent humans to the moon, and is now one of the world’s richest countries. Life spans increased 30 years in a century.

    Not bad for a (supposedly) Pagan nation.

    All David Lane has to offer is primitive superstition soaked in hate and pretending to be a religion, and a New Dark Age.

    Fuck you David Lane. I’m a Pagan American and proud of it.

  • karmacat

    I thought Jamestown failed. If so, that’s an argument against using religion

  • matty1

    I’m delighted to learn that America used to have no racism until godless secularism set in

  • eric

    American exceptionalism blusters, “In our prosperity, we shall never be moved.” Ah, but what has godless secularism produced? Red ink as far as the eye can see

    “Red ink as far as the eye can see” is probably an apt metaphor for the treaties all those Christian colonists made with the natives.

  • zmidponk

    The peacemakers are ones who are blessed (Matt. 5:9), not the peace “hopers,” the peace “wishers,” or the peace “talkers.” We have to make the peace: either secularism or Christian values are going to reign supreme.

    Well, given that oppression of any religion or religious beliefs inevitably leads to those who follow them fighting against that oppression, then the correct course for ‘peacemakers’ would be secularism, as that leaves people open to follow whichever religion they choose (including ‘none’), whilst not endorsing or favouring any of them.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Red ink as far as the eye can see…

    “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.”

    —Godless secularist Dick Cheney, referencing our first atheist president, Ronald Reagan.

  • caseloweraz

    Lane: The peacemakers are ones who are blessed (Matt. 5:9), not the peace “hopers,” the peace “wishers,” or the peace “talkers.”

    You mean, peacemakers like this one?

  • weatherwax

    #1 Tabby Lavalamp; “Yeah, America! You were just and devoid of racism before the evils of secularism started sinking its claws into you!”

    It only becomes racism when we decide to recognize the equality of non-white men. Er, protestant non-white men. So long as we understand that protestant white men are superior, it’s all good.

    Or something.

  • Michael Heath

    Area Man reports:

    “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.”

    —Godless secularist Dick Cheney, referencing our first atheist president, Ronald Reagan.

    What’s so ironic about Mr. Cheney’s quip is that President Reagan demonstrably didn’t agree.

    After the U.S. began recovering from stagflation, Mr. Reagan both signed off on tax increases and argued for the rich paying a higher effective rate than the non-rich, specifically to reduce the deficit given the demonstrable failure of supply-side economics to solve the deficit problem – in spite of health GDP growth.

    Reagan did lobby Congress for more cuts that would have hurt the the lower income quintiles rather than increasing revenue by increasing taxes, so he was certainly no angel. But since he needed Democratic votes the conservative president – gasp!!! – compromised. That demonstrated Reagan prioritized deficit reduction over even spending cuts that would hurt the poor.

    Just one more example of the enormous difference between Ronald Reagan the historical figure and Saint Ronald Reagan, the imaginary demigod of the American conservative movement.

    Area Man, I don’t get the atheist quip. While Reagan’s beliefs were far more distant from orthodox Christianity than Barack Obama and even Mitt Romney, Reagan believed in divine providence. Sometimes embarrassingly so, like the times he tried to proselytize President Gorbachev when the two met in person to negotiate nuclear arms reductions.

  • lpetrich

    Robert Hunt had been a vicar in the Church of England. Does that mean that the Episcopal Church ought to be the US’s state church?

    Looking at Massachusetts, the Puritans were the state church there. Their successors were the Congregationalists, who eventually became the United Church of Christ. So should the UCC be the US’s state church?

    See how fun this is?

  • anubisprime

    It is a tad bemusing to learn that some folks in the media are really quite taken aback with surprise and a little embarrassment when these dumbfucks pontificate on any subject and claim precedents and tradition in support of their sky fairy, only for their actual claims and rhetoric to be rather less then factual and usually a total bucket full of rotting offal.

    Does anyone with a modicum of suss really expect a cogent if not at least coherent argument in their outpouring of vapid nonsense,

    In reality it invariably boils down to just fatuous bollix dotted with a few mentions of ‘jeebus’ to flavor a very sickly stew.

    Not one of the jeebus fan club has managed to witter. let alone twitter, anything remotely rational, let alone accurate in over 2000 yrs

    Why the fuck does anyone expect it now?

  • dingojack

    “Not one of the jeebus fan club has managed to witter. let alone twitter, anything remotely rational, let alone accurate in over 2000 yrs ”

    Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure.

    Dingo