Markuze/Mabus Back in Court Again

Dennis Markuze, aka David Mabus, who has spent the last decade harassing and threatening virtually anyone who supports evolution online (including me), is back in court in Montreal again because he violated his probation and continued to engage in the same behavior on blogs and social media sites.

A Quebec Court judge is expected to be presented with a joint sentencing recommendation Thursday in a case involving a St-Laurent man who poses a challenge to authorities because he doesn’t believe he is guilty of the crimes he admitted to last year.

While appearing before two different judges within the past three years, Dennis Markuze, 43, was able to nod in agreement and admit to the summaries of two different Montreal police investigations into his online activities where he threatened the lives of people, mostly bloggers who express atheistic views or discuss scientific reason versus religious beliefs. He received an 18-month sentence for the threats in 2012, which included a condition that he keep away from social networks during the sentence.

Six months later, Markuze found himself before a judge again facing three new charges: a violation of the conditions of his sentence, the criminal harassment of one of the eight people he threatened and a threat made toward the investigator who arrested him the second time.

Last spring, Markuze pleaded guilty to all three of the charges and replied in the affirmative to all of Judge Jean-Pierre Boyer’s questions concerning the plea. A summary of facts was read into the court record during the hearing, including a quote of what Markuze said to the female investigator who arrested him: “You bitch. The same thing will happen to you like what happened to the (World Trade Center) twin towers in 9/11.” Markuze expressed no objections to the summary.

Outside the courtroom he tells a different story. He disputes most of the details contained in the summary, especially the quote about the World Trade Center. And since pleading guilty in May he has insisted, twice, to a Montreal Gazette reporter that his rights, as outlined in Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms, were violated by the court order to abstain from posting on social networks. During a break in his most recent hearing in November, Markuze handed a Montreal Gazette reporter a document, which he referred to as an affidavit that, he said, tells his side of the story.

“The charges laid on me are based on hearsay and conjecture. I am being charged for my controversial ideas, not for any offence,” Markuze wrote. “The condition to not debate on forums is a direct violation of my fundamental human rights. This condition must be removed. I’m a writer who engages in debate with the power of words, not force of arms.”

Look, it’s time to get serious about this guy. Yes, he’s obviously mentally ill and needs psychological help, but he should get that help while being locked up so he can’t continue threatening people. It should be absolutely obvious by now that he has no intention of stopping if he is allowed to remain free and have access to a computer. Time to take his toys away.

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  • whheydt

    Three strikes and he’s in?

    At this point, no judge should take his courtroom acceptance of *anything* as something he understands and will adhere to. It’s obvious that he won’t. He needs to spend time living in a home for the gently bewildered until he really does understand–and can abide by–the conditions of his sentence. It’ll probably take a lot of talking, backed up with meds. Once that is taken care of, he’ll need to be monitored to be sure he continues treatment and takes the meds he needs.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Markuze expressed no objections to the summary…Outside the courtroom he tells a different story. He disputes most of the details contained in the summary…

    He meekly goes along and accepts what they give him in court, and only defends himself outside of court? Either he has a pathological inability to stand up to any kind of authority, or he knows his defense is so obviously false that it will be laughed out of any courtroom.

    Yes, he’s obviously mentally ill and needs psychological help, but he should get that help while being locked up so he can’t continue threatening people.

    I sincerely hope* that the fact of being locked up in a cell will help his recovery by reminding him of the reality of his actions and their consequences. Sometimes that kick of reality works for someone with reality issues, but not always.

    _____________________

    * When I first typed those three words, it initially came out as “Insincerely hope.” Which is probably true — I really don’t give a shit about this guy.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Wrong. This could set a bad precedent, turning the internet into a ghost town. It’s simple enough to monitor him, anyway, ensuring that he stops doing this stuff by standing behind him and looking over his shoulder when he uses Canada’s computer.

  • whheydt

    Re: Modusoperandi @ #3…

    Make sure the guy behind him is holding, and knows how to use, a “Clue-by-4”.

  • Alverant

    Of course if he is locked up there will be whines of how he’s being persecuted for being christian and how he has the religious freedom to make threats and harass others.

  • Kevin Kehres

    Locking him up will do nothing to treat his psychiatric condition. And while Canada does not allow its prison population internet access — when he gets out, then he’ll go right back to what he was doing before.

    Court-mandated psychiatric treatment. Frankly, if he could control himself just enough to not constantly threaten people with bodily harm, he’d be no different from a bazillion Gamergaters. Or the MRA crowd (assuming there’s a non-overlapping slice of that particular Venn diagram).

    Prison accomplishes nothing — perhaps makes it worse because it feeds his paranoia.

  • John Pieret

    I’ve been one of his targets … I’ve got some hundreds of his “threatening” posts to my blog stored somewhere … but I honestly can say I never really felt threatened by him. He is a poor sad person lost in a demon-haunted world inside his own skull. I hope that the upshot of this latest flap is that he gets some effective psychiatric treatment.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    The only way he’ll ever give up his current ways is if he’s deprived of any reinforcement — in other words, if he’s cut off from anyone else on the Internet who supports his mindset, AND if he’s unable to get any kind of jollies from posting hateful crap. The former is highly unlikely, the latter damn near impossible. Keeping him away from Internet reinforcement will be harder than keeping him from getting a gun.

  • whheydt

    Re: Kevin Kehres @ #6…

    I can’t speak for others, but if you go back and read what I said, it should be apparent that I am not suggesting jail, rather I am suggesting a residential psychiatric facility, long enough to figure out what his “demons” are and get him straightened out enough to stop the behavior that is getting him in trouble…again and again. Once he’s helped to get his act together (which one suspects will require meds in addition to a lot of talk), he’ll probably need to be monitored to see that he stays on his meds and sees a shrink on at least a semi-regular basis…at least until he can demonstrate that he can generally behave without being watched. His mother is clearly an insufficient (or, more likely, ineffective) monitor.

    If may be that a very real threat of jail is what it will take to get through to him. If it turns out that he can’t or won’t change, jail may be (unfortunately) the only option, but it would also probably prove to be a revolving door for him.

    Some people just can’t cope with the world on their own in a reasonable fashion. Markuze may be one of them.

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    John Pieret @ 7

    He is a poor sad person lost in a demon-haunted world

    I have trouble feeling anything but contempt for this guy. Yes, he’s caught up in a negative feedback loop, but it is his own vitriol that got him there. He wants and tries to impose something he can never have…to make “the atheists” shut up. His tactics did not accomplish as much as he hoped, but dammit, he’s going to get his way. (If what you’re doing isn’t working, do it harder.) And there was something very sinister about him crashing, twice, an atheist convention in Montreal.

    Sorry, but if your goal is to seriously impede public discourse, well, the rest of us adults don’t take too kindly to that. In fact we are going to take your toys away. So fuck him, he’s just an asshole writ large. And jail will keep him from putting shit up his nose for a while, the very first step in effective psychiatric treatment for this abusive bully.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    Over 20 years of this nonsense, several arrests, enforced treatment, hx of drug abuse and still at it. I don’t have much hope for this guy. He should be taken off the street, regardless of whether it’s prison or a very long term treatment facility. The fact that he has gone off line and turned up in person to harrass his victims makes him a danger in my book. He’s the worst kind of chronic case and the Canadian courts should stop indulging this manipulative, menacing psychotic man.

  • John Pieret

    Kamaka:

    I have trouble feeling anything but contempt for this guy.

    I can’t blame you in the least for that.

    Maybe it is just because I got to be a target of Markuze because of my participation in talk.origins. We “howler monkeys” used to arrange meeting at places like the American Museum of Natural History and, occasionally, the creationists we debated showed up. They always seemed so lost. The reports of Markuze at those meetings in Montreal seemed no different. As I remember it, Markuze fled as soon as he was recognized.

    I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished for his breaking the law … far from it … I just can’t help but feel sorry for another damaged human being.

  • Ichthyic

    current news is that the court wants to hear from his psychiatrist first… and now that isn’t going to happen until June.

    I doubt they will keep him inside until then, so look for more Dennis for at least the next few months.

    source: Tim Farley.

  • Ichthyic
  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Suddenly a psychiatrist pops up and asks to testify, just as they’re getting ready to sentence this jackass? I find the timing of this new event suspicious. Markuze’s irrational behavior has been known to the general public for years — was there really no one thinking of getting a psychiatrist’s opinion on this guy until just now?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    The fact that he has gone off line and turned up in person to harrass his victims makes him a danger in my book.

    In that case, at least a few people have a damn good pretext to give this fool a beat-down. Maybe that will jolt him back to reality.

  • dingojack

    Yes because letting a paranoid, drug-fuelled dolt turn up at convention in the hope of ‘a beat-down’, what could possibly go wrong? This perhaps… or maybe something like this.

    Very few mentally-ill people are dangerous to others, but some do have obsessive and compulsive thoughts about hurting or killing others. This guy has demonstrated his violent thoughts, probably worsened by drug-use, it’s time to act in the name of public safety before he escalates.

    Dingo

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    I’m all in favor of acting in the name of public safety — but if the law keeps on dropping the ball, and he keeps on harassing people, some sort of violent retaliation might become necessary and/or inevitable.

    Besides, a lot of the people who have violent thoughts are also cowards — once they find themselves on the receiving end of the punches, they give up pretty quickly. And Markuze has shown physical cowardice as well as signs of mental illness.

  • dingojack

    Great RB — how long do you get for manslaughter in your neck of the woods? (hint read the links)

    :( Dingo

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    DJ,

    Leave him alone. His name is Raging Bee, not Ghandi Bee.