Wingnut: Forced Vaccinations Lead to Forced Abortions

Jonathan Hoenig, an Ayn Rand-obsessed hedge fund manager with no knowledge or expertise on any subject other than that is a frequent guest on Fox News. In his latest appearance, he made this incredibly stupid argument that forced vaccinations will lead to forced abortions and forced sterilizations.

Fox News guest Jonathan Hoenig said on Saturday that those advocating mandatory vaccinations for the “so-called public good” could be ushering in “forced abortions” and “forced pills.”

After host Eric Bolling noted a bill in California proposing mandatory vaccinations regardless of religious belief, Hoenig breathlessly condemned forced immunization by government.

“Think about where this could lead if government gets involved in science and medicine — forced sterilizations, forced abortion, forced pills, forced treatments,” he exclaimed.

Yeah, because the government is totally not involved in science and medicine now. Someone should tell the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control about this. 48 states currently have mandatory vaccinations, at a time when states have passed dozens and dozens of anti-abortion bills. This isn’t a slippery slope, it’s just a dumbass spouting bullshit.

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  • John Pieret

    This isn’t a slippery slope

    Sure it is! You can tell by Hoenig’s pratfall.

  • blf

    48 states currently have mandatory vaccinations

    This factoid is not quite correct: 48 states allow religious exemptions (the two exceptions are Mississippi and West Virginia), so it’s more correct to say something like “48 states allow bullshite exemptions, only two have anything like mandatory vaccinations”.

  • moarscienceplz

    Yeah! Don’t let the guvmint meddle with yer potions and ungements! Fer instance, good ol’ boy Orrin Hatch got the claws of the wicked FDA pried offen our supple-mints, and boy howdy, did that do WONDERS!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, a government that can force you to not be a vector for measles is a government that can force you to do anything. Next they’ll force you to not be vectors for other diseases, and before you realize it, and I can’t stress this enough, the government will have eradicated those diseases. Do you know who else tried to eradicate something he saw as a disease? Hitler!

     

    “A chicken in every pot” wasn’t a slogan. It was a threat.

  • HappyHead

    Every time I see one of these nutbars ranting about all the horrible things the “ebil gubmint” is going to force on us, I can’t help but remember a lesson I learned when I was a little kid. People often look at others, and see themselves instead, and then predict those other people’s actions with “well what would I do if I was in their place?”

    It’s a damn good thing a lot of these alarmist pundits aren’t in actual positions of power.

  • eric

    @2: AFAIK no states actually mandates vaccinations, if that means making it illegal to not get them. They make it a precondition to go to public schools. This fundie rant is about removing the religious exemption to attend public schools, not some sort of religious exemption to criminal charges. That doesn’t exist, because criminal charges for non-vaccination don’t exist.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    eric “This fundie rant is about removing the religious exemption to attend public schools, not some sort of religious exemption to criminal charges. That doesn’t exist, because criminal charges for non-vaccination don’t exist.”

    Then explain Law & Order: SVU*!

     

    * Sanctioned Vaccinations Unit.

  • eric

    @7: the fundie vision of future America seems more like the Monty Python organ donation skit from Meaning of Life to me. John Cleese comes into your house and forces gay marriage and abortions on everyone…somehow including even the men forced into gay marriage.

  • Sastra

    Look, it just stands to reason that if government can quarantine people with the plague then the next step will be putting Christians under house arrest to prevent them from going to church. If they can make you get a shot in the arm, next time it’ll be a shot in the head. A driver’s license is like when they tattoo numbers into the arms of concentration camp victims. They tried to make me stand in line at the post office. But I ran out — because we all know where that leads.

  • Die Anyway

    > “forced abortion, forced pills…”

    And yet he and his ilk seem to be just fine with government enforced non-availability of abortion or birth control pills. What was that about broken irony meters?

    Although, I could be wrong about Hoenig himself. Certainly, the religious rightwingers are all for government force if it enforces their religion’s rules. The libertarian attitude would/should be that abortion or pills are legal in the marketplace and each person avails themselves of the service, or not, depending on their own religion or philosophy.

  • dugglebogey

    Next they will force children to go to school, force people to drive safely, and protect people from the evils of drugs!

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    My god, soon they’ll actually **force co-housing on men deemed “violent” … or “marijuana possessors”**. And they justify this with the greater public good!

    The tyranny of this government knows no bounds!

    “Think about where this could lead if government gets involved in science and medicine — forced sterilizations, forced abortion, forced pills, forced treatments,” he exclaimed.

    Great Gods of Gonads, really? You mean forced sterilization could really happen inside the US someday? The horror!

    And forced pills? Forced treatments? When, oh when, will the tyranny start?

    Sure this is the kind of thing the right wing has been fighting against since forever and the horrible left wing advances slowly but surely. Like a cone snail.

    Thanks be to the Angels of Historical Analysis that we have someone like Jonathan Hoenig around to sound the alarm when the possibility of rights violations materializes!

  • Michael Heath

    I find the argument that religious exemptions are valid not only nonsensical, but also immoral. It goes back to even liberals’ inability to even consider the rights of children over the rights of even abusive parents.

    Here’s one of our own advocating that religious freedom is a reason to not vaccinate one’s children while failing to even acknowledge, let alone consider that people with competing rights in this controversy do exist and have a valid claim their rights should be protect instead of religious wingnuts who abuse their children. Charles Haynes makes this invalid argument in his nationally syndicated column this week: http://goo.gl/PRDrqC.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    He wants to protect fetuses in the womb so that they can become children who die in god-given agony.

  • blf

    eric@6:

    AFAIK no states actually mandates vaccinations, if that means making it illegal to not get them. They make it a precondition to go to public schools.

    Correct. That’s why I said (@2) “…anything like mandatory vaccinations.” Ed’s factoid is misleading, 48 states allow religious (i.e., “nonsensical” (@12)) exemptions, not “48 states currently have mandatory vaccinations”.