Lively: Same-Sex Marriage Will Cause End of the World

When it comes to making hyperbolic predictions about what will happen if he doesn’t get his way, few can match Scott Lively. And you know the man who thinks gay people are responsible for the Nazi Holocaust was going to have some seriously stupid things to say about the Supreme Court’s upcoming ruling on same-sex marriage. He does not disappoint:

Absent a miracle from God or unprecedented massive wave of popular protest by America’s Christians (which would be a miracle in itself), the United States Supreme Court will declare a constitutional right to “gay marriage” by judicial fiat sometime this year…

Spiritually speaking, the official endorsement of “gay marriage” by the most powerful and influential nation on earth, and more importantly the only nation in the history of the world (other than ancient Israel) to be established on a Biblical foundation, is an act of rebellion against God not seen since Noah’s Flood. Indeed, the ancient Hebrew rabbis taught that “same-sex and bestial marriages” were the final insult to God that triggered the great flood (Talmud, Genesis Rabbah 26:5:4).

Yeah, this is just like that global flood that never happened. Just like it. I’ll skip over a bunch of moronic blather about blood moons and prophecies.

I expect some sort of severe judgment to fall on America in conjunction with this process.

Clearly homosexuality is not the only factor that will trigger the wrath of God. America bears the blood guilt of over 50 million unborn babies who have been slaughtered over the past half-century, a modern parallel to what God warned against in Leviticus 18:22. And we have broken the foremost commandment of the Decalogue and officially set other gods before Him through SCOTUS rulings in Everson v Board of Education (1947) and Torcaso v Watkins (1961), setting secular humanist government above God “and every so-called god or object of worship” (2 Thessalonians 2:4) in the policy we call colloquially “religious pluralism.”

Well that’s interesting. Apparently Everson, which ruled that a state could reimburse parents for the cost of transporting their children to Christian schools, “officially set other gods before Him” in violation of the very first commandment. And Torcaso, which reaffirmed the plain text of the Constitution — the one Lively no doubt claims was intended to create a Christian nation — that forbid religious tests for office, also violates the first commandment. Which means the Constitution itself violates the first commandment. Voila, Lively has now inadvertently admitted that the Constitution is an anti-Biblical document. Thanks Scott!

I don’t think there is any question, Biblically, that the cultural celebration of “gay marriage” portends judgment from God. The only real question in my mind is whether it truly signals the imminent “beginning of sorrows” or is just another step in the path leading to God’s wrath at a later time. God is long-suffering, even to the most wicked of societies and He does not act until their iniquity is “full” (Genesis 15:16).

If we are on the verge of “birth pangs” we will likely know it by Passover, but in either case we should brace for serious judgment on the United States in the form of natural and/or man-made disaster if the Supreme Court established sodomy as a basis for marriage under our constitution.

And he says the Antichrist will reveal himself by September 15th, mostly because he mistakenly thinks that the gay marriage cases “will be officially filed in late March.” No, they were filed months ago. Oral argument will be heard in April. March is completely irrelevant.

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  • eric

    Imagine how much more rational discussion would be if, instead of “the world is ending, send me money,” the expectation was that if you said “the world is ending” you had to send everyone else money. How many of these folks would put their money where their mouth is? None, I expect. They leave that to their deluded followers.

  • Modusoperandi

    To be fair, it will be pretty bad.


    Or maybe I’m thinking of flu season.

  • teawithbertrand

    So, we shouldn’t have marriage equality because the Magic Invisible Monster Who Lives in the Sky doesn’t like it. Same old same old.

    What a scary little world Lively inhabits.

  • peterh

    Lively’s line of reasoning – so called – is dead in the water.

  • Strewth

    And of course, Angry Sky Parent will get home from work REAL SOON NOW to give us a whuppin’ with a leather belt, and Good Kid Lively will be right there going ‘I TOLD them to stop, but they didn’t BELIEVE me you’d be mad’.

  • raven

    Scott Lively is right!!!

    The world will end. His world anyway.

    He has been making a nice living doing nothing but babbling like a loon and spouting hate nonstop against gay people.

    That money isn’t going to stop flowing but it is going to be less and less.

    Lively is a not very bright parasite. He sees his host getting weak but can’t figure out that…he needs to find a new host. Scotty, atheists and Moslems are the new gays. You need to become an expert on the Illuminati, atheist, and Moslem conspiracy.

    PS Not that Scott Lively’s world ending is anything but a huge positive. It’s part of the Dark Side of our society like all of fundie xianity. Most of us will cheer and open a bottle of wine for what will be a well attended funeral and party.

  • kantalope

    Love the bible quote babbling Leviticus 18:22 is of course: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Which has nothing to do with either god warning about anything or having anything to do with killin the baybees.

  • jockmcdock

    Does Mr Lively realise that same-sex marriage has been legal in other countries for some time? I live in The Netherlands where same-sex marriage has been legal since 1 April 2001. Nearly 14 years! If something disastrous was to be a result of such unions, wouldn’t we have seen something by now? Or maybe Mr Lively thinks God doesn’t love other countries as much as he loves the United States,

    But at least he’s given up a reference point in time. Come September 16, if we have no Antichrist, we can tell Mr Lively to get lively with himself.

  • eric

    @8: in Lively’s world, only the US and ancient Israel count. Jesus doesn’t care as much about you bohemian foriegners. (If you read his quote, he basically says just that.)

  • fifthdentist

    That’s a great scam they’ve got going with the natural disasters: If marriage equality is approved and there are natural disasters; see, we told you, Jesus is really pissed. If marriage equality is affirmed and no hurricanes? No problem! God is just waiting for the “fullness” of his wrath. … I picture a Hulk in the sky: “You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry, humans.” Or, “Go ahead, make my day.”

    Meanwhile, in actual reality, Texas burned for several years recently with perhaps the worst multi-year drought in its history. Other areas in the U.S.-America and world have been suffering horrible disasters such as tsunamis, typhoons, earthquakes and Palin TV.

    Just in my recent memory of the previous 15 years or so in my vicinity I remember the monster tornado in Tuscaloosa, Ala., one that tore out a new asshole in Americus, Ga., and Camilla, Ga., being hit twice — with the twister taking basically the same exact path through the same trailer park — within three years’ time. And I’d wager that one would be hard pressed to find towns that are more Christian than Americus and Camilla. Going back a little further, Albany, Ga., was struck by a so-called 500-year flood in 1994 and a 100-year flood four years later.

  • Doug Little

    I expect some sort of severe judgment to fall on America in conjunction with this process

    Fabulous wedding receptions?

  • dingojack

    Don’t forget that time when god got all ‘wrathy’ over marriage equality and sent the “Deep Blue of ’11”!*



    * Well OK he did send it on 11th of November 1911, but he’s never been good with time

  • Pierce R. Butler

    March is completely irrelevant.

    Yay! I could use a nice long nap…

  • Synfandel

    Well, at least we’ll finally get to see God if the SCOTUS pisses him off enough. I wonder whether he looks like this:

  • dugglebogey

    If they just said “our religion teaches that homosexuality is immoral and having legal homosexual marriages will erode public morality a little bit” would they get more traction or less?

  • dingojack

    Synfandel – Nah, more like this.


  • raven

    God doesn’t care about all the other nations such as Canada and the Netherlands. They aren’t special, the USA and Israel are. Their punishment has already been given out. It is to be…not the USA or Israel.

    God has a habit of killing the nations he loves.

    The fundie Sky Monster god is a psychotic, abusive parent.

    (Fortunately, AFAWK, he doesn’t exist except as sockpuppets in fundie xian heads.) I wonder if the fundies ever actually think about what they say and believe. It’s just incoherent drivel.

  • John Pieret

    The only real question in my mind is …

    … where the heck did I leave it?

  • caseloweraz

    I have this fantasy of some Scottish-accented dude appearing out of nowhere and whacking Scott Lively with something, saying “‘Cos ye were thinking with yer dip-stick, Scotty!”

  • John Pieret

    March is completely irrelevant.

    Wait! … the NCAA Tournament? …

  • dingojack

    caseloweraz – Who knew god was a Mike Myers impersonator?!?


  • timgueguen

    Actually Lively should support gay marriage. What happened in Canada after gay marriage was approved? Stephen Harper became Prime Minister. So, if the same pattern follows in the US national approval of gay marriage should result in a Republican President for the next two terms.

  • U Frood

    I just cannot take seriously the idea of a God who would sit around and do nothing while men calling themselves his priests use their authority to get access to children to sexually abuse. If I were an omnipotent omniscient God and people were doing that in my name, it would stop. Maybe the pope would get a phone call telling him to fire them and turn them over to the police. Maybe they’d just get struck by lighting. Depends on what mood I was in, but it would stop.

    So this God who can’t be bothered to protect children from predators acting in his name is going to be angry enough to act because two men are allowed to marry? Sorry, I just can’t believe that.

  • 930i7

    If pure evil exists then he is certainly it. He’s worse and more dangerous than Westboro ever was.

  • shadow


    Sadly, Lively might take that as a compliment.

  • anubisprime

    It might be forgiven to think that they think it is all over now bar the shouting, and the actual ruling…

    They are conceding to the inevitable it would appear…and they are not happy bunnies. not hippy hoppy happy bunnies at all…

  • samgardner

    I tend to wonder if he’s aware he’s giving himself so much room to say his prediction of dire consequences came true later. Essentially he just said something bad will happen — without a time our anything (saying the anti Christ will show up is a non statement really, all he needs to do is point to any “bad”person.)

    He even gives himself an out to claim miraculous intervention in case the SC rules the way he’d like.though I suppose if that happens every evangelical will be claiming it’s a miracle anyway.

  • thebookofdave

    @14 and 16

    All right, you scamps, enough of that tomfoolery! The real God says it’s time to quit playing and get ready for bed.

  • U Frood

    That’s the way prophecy works, though. You make a bunch of vague claims and don’t attach any specific timescales to them. Somebody in the future will find a way to shoehorn your prophecy to fit events as they happen. So people can claim that every prophecy in the Bible has come true, except for the ones which haven’t yet. But they’re coming. Real soon.