Vander Plaats: GOP Will Never Win If They Stop Being Anti-Gay

Bob Vander Plaats of the Iowa Family Leader, a virulently anti-gay group, has some advice for the Republican party, but it’s advice they should and inevitably will ignore. He says that if they don’t continue to be the party of anti-gay bigotry, they’ll never win another election.

The civil rights division found that the baker didn’t discriminate against the customer’s religious beliefs since she did not want to bake a cake which used “derogatory language and imagery.” She also “proposed that her bakery make the cake with a blank Bible page and provide [the customer] with the frosting and piping materials needed to write his anti-gay cake message on the dessert himself.”

Deace spoke about this incident with Bob Vander Plaats of The Family Leader, who said that it shows that the U.S. is turning into China and will soon deem certain Bible verses to be “hate speech.”

Vander Plaats also agreed with Deace that Republican leaders are jeopardizing their own electoral prospects by refusing to stand up against gay rights: “They’ll never win again without this base.”

One of the things that has long amused me about the Christian right is their ability to convince themselves that they are always part of an overwhelming majority, in the face of all evidence. Sorry Bob, the country is moving on rapidly from anti-gay bigotry. The only demographic that still clings to it as a majority are people who will be dying off soon and young people support equality by a huge margin. And the Republican party will soon jettison their anti-gay positions because their political survival requires it. You lost. Get over it.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.criley jason the cripple

    Who does he think the bigots will vote for if the Republicans drop the anti-gay issue? They sure as hell won’t vote for the Democrats. Does he think that the bigots will say, “Well, if there isn’t anyone as anti-gay as me running, then I just won’t vote!”

  • tbp1

    If that is the case, I wish to encourage them to maintain their anti-gay stance.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    If GOP drops this Moral Issue, their Base will stay home, broken and alone, and bugger each other, because why not everybody else is.

    On the other hand, they still have all the other Culture War issues. And, with a little think-tankin’, can probable come up with some new ones. Some hip, cool ones to appeal to the Modern Bigot, expanding the Base with a new generation of spiteful morons.

  • StevoR

    I really think – and sure hope I’m right – that the republican party is basically done and won’t win any more elections certainly not for POTUS and nor the Congress /Senate again because they are just so awful and so split by the Tea party craziness versus their relatively “moderate” middle.

    In part because of teh Ghey issue but also because of so much more. (Climate change, demographic change, abortion and women’s rights and equality etc ..)

    I cannot see them coming up with any successful POTUS candidates well into the indefinite future. Am I being too optimistic here?

  • wreck

    “…deem certain Bible verses to be “hate speech.”

    If it quacks like a duck…

  • raven

    Vander Plaats also agreed with Deace that Republican leaders are jeopardizing their own electoral prospects by refusing to stand up against gay rights: “They’ll never win again without this base.”

    1. Their base of fundie xian bigots and haters has nowhere else to go.

    2. This whole gay hate thing is a side issue. It has little to do with even fundie xianity. It started a decade or two ago, as something for them to babble and hate on about and they’ll drop it and find something else to hate soon enough. They are all cafeteria haters.

    The bible only mentions gays a few times out of what is a long book. And they are equated with much more numerous groups such as sabbath breakers, adulterers, heretics, atheists, nonvirgin brides, and disobedient children. All death penalty offenses.

    3. The new gays will be atheists and Moslems.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Does he think that the bigots will say, “Well, if there isn’t anyone as anti-gay as me running, then I just won’t vote!”

    To some extent, that’s it. The Republicans have pretty much shifted from a strategy of wooing so-called “swing” voters to one driven entirely by turnout. Thus the repeated emphasis on strategies such as 2004’s wave of anti-SSM initiatives and the continuing voter suppression tactics.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I cannot see them coming up with any successful POTUS candidates well into the indefinite future. Am I being too optimistic here?

    Yes.

    They don’t need to come up with anyone good, as long as their base turns out and the Democratic base doesn’t. If the two Parties each had equal turnout, Texas (Texas!!!) would be a blue State.

    Also, don’t forget a couple of key factors:

    * The major media are very, very easy on Republicans even when they’re at their worst. Horse races and “both sides …” don’t you know. Opinions on the shape of the Earth differ, after all.

    * Spending oceans of money isn’t very helpful at making pigs pretty [1], but it can splash enough mud to make anyone look bad. Swift boats, anyone? Which might not cause anyone to vote Republican, but it has proven efficacy in driving turnout down, especially among traditional Democratic voters.

    So, yeah, there’s a very good chance that by 2025 we’ll have elected at least one Republican President.

    [1] Except when it’s used to control the agenda with think tanks and sponsorships at the academic (etc.) level.

  • raven

    The GOP base is about to die anyway. Of natural causes. A lot of it is weird old white people. Old people are on their way to being…dead people. The average age of Fox NoNews viewers is 68.

    I sometimes get a local free fundie xian newspaper. It’s about what you expect, WorldNutDaily class drivel. Fundies aren’t smart and group think is a way of life.

    1. But someone actually had an original thought. One of the leaders of the local hate groups known as churches. Almost all of the local churches are seeing notable declines in membership. More importantly, their loot intake is also down a lot.

    They’ve had to defer maintenance on their buildings and lay off staff and so on.

    2. Strangely enough, they have absolutely no idea why this is happening*. None.

    3. They have absolutely no idea how to stop it either. Vague words about praying a lot, rededicating themselves to christ, reaching out,, etc..

    * Apparently fundie xians don’t have reflections in mirrors. That alone should tell them something.

  • Artor

    One of the things that has long amused me about the Christian right is their ability to convince themselves that they are always part of an overwhelming majority, in the face of all evidence.

    While simultaneously holding the position that they are a persecuted minority, just a hair’s breadth from being thrown to the lions. It would be good entertainment if they weren’t trying to destroy civil society while doing it.

  • cptdoom

    And the Republican party will soon jettison their anti-gay positions because their political survival requires it. You lost. Get over it.

    Or, if the GOP is unable to jettison the anti-gay crackpots because they a) are now running the party and b) are the most reliable voters, we could see the GOP ironically become the next Whig party, as some have predicted, and be replaced with a new conservative party.

  • D. C. Sessions

    cptdoom, splitting the PoG won’t work either — it’ll be a case of “defeat in detail” then, with neither rump party able to win any elections. Sticking together is the worst alternative, except for all of the others.

    They certainly don’t have any immediate incentive to change. The Party may have a clear doom pending, but it’s far enough out that the current officeholders aren’t in any danger. On the other hand, changing strategies is a threat to current officeholders thanks to incumbency and gerrymandering. Soe we’re likely to see a PoG House and in State legislatures for a long, long time. The Senate and the Presidency, not so much.

    The one thing that might change that would be if the SCOTUS Team Republican revisited the “one man, one vote” ruling and decided that electing Senators by a majority of House districts would be OK as long as the districts were approximately equal in population. That would let the Senate be gerrymandered the same as the House, in addition to the small-State advantage. And, of course, the trick that they’re already pursuing to have blue States with red legislatures change apportionment of Electoral College votes to be by House districts with the other two at large (or by majority of House districts.)

    So don’t be so confident. The PoG is getting quite good at engineering election outcomes and might well manage to stack the deck thoroughly enough to give them a pretty firm hold on the Federal government for a long time.

  • dingojack

    Meh — the PoG will just switch to hatin’ Mooslims.

    This will mean:

    a) they’ll still be Fidei Defensor for the Tea-baggers and

    b) They’ll be strong on ‘National Security’ for the the Neo-cons

    [No doubt they’ll be all about balancing the budget (once the Mooslim Terrorists have been ‘bombed back into the stone-age’, naturally) to keep Wall Street happy].

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    (Irony: FtB seems to think commenters here want to get a Foxtel package, for only 3 to 6 times the amount their competitors are offering, and for far inferior product. FAIL).

    :) Dingo

  • dingojack

    (Vander Plaats? Wasn’t that Princess Leia’s favourite hairstyle?)

    OK — I’ll shut up now.

    Dingo

  • Nick Gotts

    we could see the GOP ironically become the next Whig party, as some have predicted, and be replaced with a new conservative party. – cptdoom@11

    Why is a new one needed when you already have the Democrats?

    Am I being too optimistic here? – StevoR@4

    I fear so. Apart from anything else, only once since 1948 has one party won the Presidency 3 times running: the Republicans in 1980, 1984 and 1988. That could just be coincidence, but it could also be that the party holding the White House (a) tends to be blamed for everything people are unhappy about, and (b) has problems producing fresh candidates. On the latter point, look at the current Democratic field (as far as serious candidates likely to stand goes): Hillary Clinton, Joe biden and, er. Hillary Clinton.