League of the South President Explicitly Endorses Slavery

The neo-Confederate, southern nationalist League of the South has long tried to pretend that it didn’t really support slavery, just “freedom” for the Southern people, who are somehow at risk of “cultural genocide.” But LOS leader Michael White has now donned the white sheet and explicitly endorsed slavery as ordained by God. This is from an exchange he had on the LOS website:

MichaelHillSlavery

So there you have it. God wants the people of the land of Dixie to own slaves. And if you disagree, you’re obviously a terrorist. And guess what the LOS did this weekend? Held rallies in support of the Confederate flag. Tell me again how the Confederate flag isn’t about slavery.

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  • busterggi

    Kush, Ghana, Mali, Song Hai, Zimbabwe – not that the actual history of su-Saharan Africa means anything to this asshole

  • footface

    No True Confederate?

  • howardhershey

    What! You mean that all those claims that it is about “heritage” is intentional misrepresentation and that the European skinheads and neo-Nazis that proudly wave the Confederate flag (the Nazi flag being banned in much of Europe) have it right! Shocking! Who would have thunk it (other than just about everybody)?

  • Artor

    Nice of him to demonstrate that he knows jack shit about history & anthropology. Sub-Saharan Africa was host to many very advanced kingdoms, easily the equal to what Europe had going on at the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ethiopia

  • Synfandel
  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    “it didn’t really support slavery, just “freedom” for the Southern people”

    Why can’t America just give them their freedom? The freedom to own other humans and deprive them of their freedom??

  • thebookofdave

    @3

    I’m sure it’s more of a clarification than a break from his original opinion. White is merely sticking up for the entrepreneurial spirit of the great plantation economy and defending their god-given values of property rights and the liberating influence of (others’) hard work.

  • xuuths

    The Incas had a HUGE empire, very very advanced, but no wheel. But, as an idiot, he probably didn’t know about them, either.

  • freehand

    xuuths – Yes, the Native Americans had invented the travois, which is superior to primitive wheels. And who or who would pull the carts? It’s hard to get to advanced tech when the primitive tech had no advantage over what was available.

  • Juniper

    Arabs (the first and largest group of slave traders)

    This trick again. It’s a popular one. Never mind about the accuracy of this particular statement. It doesn’t necessarily follow that because Arabs traded slaves of multiple races for centuries, because sub-Saharan Africans sold Africans to Europeans, because some blacks owned slaves, because some Northerners owned slaves, because a lot of poor whites were indentured servants, and because of whatever else wingnuts assume people like me don’t already know and will blow our minds, then white slave owners, slave traders and politicians in the American South were not responsible for American enslavement of blacks and its consequences. False equivalencies and all that.

    Also, wingnuts keep acting like it’s all about who did what to whom first or two wrongs making a right or whatever. Personally, I care most about the effects of history on the culture we all have to live in.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    With this endorsement Slavery has a real chance in Iowa.

  • jonathangray

    Artor:

    Sub-Saharan Africa was host to many very advanced kingdoms, easily the equal to what Europe had going on at the time.

    Hyperbole.

    Juniper:

    It doesn’t necessarily follow that because Arabs traded slaves of multiple races for centuries, because sub-Saharan Africans sold Africans to Europeans, because some blacks owned slaves, because some Northerners owned slaves, because a lot of poor whites were indentured servants, and because of whatever else wingnuts assume people like me don’t already know and will blow our minds, then white slave owners, slave traders and politicians in the American South were not responsible for American enslavement of blacks and its consequences.

    The point is that these omissions serve to reinforce the notion that “historical slavery” was exclusively a matter of “white European/American guilt” rather than a combination of “white European/American guilt”, “Arab Muslim guilt” and “African guilt”. And I would venture to say that omissions like these routinely occur because the dominant – privileged – discourse in our society is not that of “whites” (as it may have been once upon a time) but of a clerisy of ethnomasochisic white liberals and their ethnic minority allies.

  • Owlmirror

    So racists are ethnosadists, and martyrs are religiomasochists, and conservative fanatical Catholics are religiosadomasochistic.

    Things become much clearer when bigots demonstrate that their racial and religious bigotry is basically projected paraphilia.

  • StevoR

    @8.xuuths : “The Incas had a HUGE empire, very very advanced, but no wheel. But, as an idiot, he probably didn’t know about them, either.”

    I could be mistaken and I’m not really sure quite how significant it is but I seem to recall the hyper-advanced Martians in H.G. Wells 1898 novel lacked the wheel too..

  • StevoR

    Novel = War of the worlds natch.

  • david

    So, environmental conditions in Europe allowed for more rapid technological development. That doesn’t justify concluding that Europeans are different biologically, in any fashion relevant to this debate. Nor does it grant Europeans the right to hold slaves.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ david : Nothing ever grants anyone the “right” to slaves.

    This should be axiomatic but seems not to be for some.

  • StevoR

    For clarity here – I’m sure david is already well aware of this and not someone who thinks slavery could ever be okay.

  • dingojack

    So Jon-Jon you still up? It’s long past your bedtime young man!

    But before you go, just as a turn-about, tell me a story for your bed-time.

    When exactly was this mythical time of ‘whites’, who were they, and what precisely was their supposed culture?

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    RE SteveoR @ #14

    The Martians didn’t have any wheels in the 1953 film either, relying on magnetic levitation to move their fighting machines around.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ colnago80 : Yes although I don’t recall that as well as the novel.

    Makes you wonder what obvious things our society, our culture is missing doesn’t it?

  • dingojack

    Aww Jon-Jon — Strange how, at a time when this supposedly naturally superior “white culture” thought a coast-hugging sea journey from London to Aleppo and back was a hugely difficult task, the Polynesians were criss-crossing the wide and wild (badly misnamed) Pacific, navigating by the stars, sun and signs of land from one tiny speck of land to another without even so much as a clay pot, a wheel, a map or sextant.

    [Or how, at a time when “white culture” were figuring out come to come together to build communal mounds, the Chinese were casting one ton bronze bells that rang with two tones in a single pour].

    Oh yes, such innate superiority… @@

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #22

    Or, when white Christian Europe was mouldering in the Dark Ages, the center of enlightenment was in Baghdad. Of course, ole Gray will argue that Neil Tyson is an African American and thus doesn’t count.

    https://goo.gl/A9XxpG

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Hyperbole.

    Artor’s claim was backed by a citation. Your lazy-assed one-word response is not. Asshole.

    The point is that these omissions serve to reinforce the notion that “historical slavery” was exclusively a matter of “white European/American guilt”…

    None of those citations refute the fact that white slave-owners, slave-traders, and slavery-apologists in Europe and America were responsible for their own actions, and for the institutions they created and maintained. No non-whites ever forced them to do what they did. Face reality and get over it already, you stupid piece of filth.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    BTW, has anyone in the LoS(ers?) even seen the movie “300?” The history of white(ish) European civilization began with the Greeks fighting off a non-white empire far more technically and culturally advanced than their own. And most of our most significant intellectual advances were built on the achievements of non-white predecessors such as Egypt, Persia, and the Muslim Arab states (who were making all kinds of advancements, from architecture to medicine to math, back when our ancestors were still thinking the Bible was the source of all knowledge and erasing any historical record that said otherwise).

  • Artor

    Jon-jon @12

    Hyperbole? Not at all. Contrast & compare the 14th century kingdom of Ethiopia to 14th century England or Germany. Territory, public works, population, technology, art, culture, etc. Different, obviously, but qualitatively equal by any rational accounting.

    Oh, right, I’m an “ethnomasochistic white liberal,” so my opinion can be easily dismissed. No, wait. That’s bullshit. Rather, you’re full of shit.

  • lorn

    I other The Empire Strikes Back news, Marion County Florida has decided to start flying the confederate flag again:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ap-confederate-flag-marion-county-20150707-story.html

    The evil is deeply rooted in the south. No single event, or small number of events, will cause a lasting change.

    The south is still fighting the Civil War, and always will be.

  • freehand

    jonathangray says: The point is that these omissions serve to reinforce the notion that “historical slavery” was exclusively a matter of “white European/American guilt” rather than a combination of “white European/American guilt”, “Arab Muslim guilt” and “African guilt”.

    .

    Straight from the party of personal responsibility.

    .

    Hey, Jonathan, does this mean that accomplishments of whites can be claimed with pride by blacks, Native Americans, Australian First Nation people, and Denosovians? I thought not. Guess the concept of Private Profit, Communal Costs® is more pervasive than I had realized.

  • thebookofdave

    Indeed it should, StevoR, and I should close my [/snark] tags more often.

  • jonathangray

    dingojack @22:

    Strange how, at a time when this supposedly naturally superior “white culture” thought a coast-hugging sea journey from London to Aleppo and back was a hugely difficult task, the Polynesians were criss-crossing the wide and wild (badly misnamed) Pacific, navigating by the stars, sun and signs of land from one tiny speck of land to another without even so much as a clay pot, a wheel, a map or sextant.

    Good for them.

    Or how, at a time when “white culture” were figuring out come to come together to build communal mounds, the Chinese were casting one ton bronze bells that rang with two tones in a single pour

    I’m sure the League of the South will bear that in mind when they consider enslaving the Chinese.

    Oh yes, such innate superiority…

    Funny … I don’t recall ever using the expression “innate superiority”.

  • jonathangray

    colnago80:

    Or, when white Christian Europe was mouldering in the Dark Ages, the center of enlightenment was in Baghdad.

    Hey, I’m the first to acknowledge the splendours of Mohammedan civilisation. (Even if the “Dark Ages” weren’t quite so dark as is supposed by the ignorant.)

  • jonathangray

    Raging Bee:

    Artor’s claim was backed by a citation. Your lazy-assed one-word response is not.

    Artor cited one remarkable case — that of Ethiopia — to back up a claim that “Sub-Saharan Africa was host to many very advanced kingdoms easily the equal to what Europe had going on at the time.”.

    None of those citations refute the fact that white slave-owners, slave-traders, and slavery-apologists in Europe and America were responsible for their own actions, and for the institutions they created and maintained. No non-whites ever forced them to do what they did.

    I never claimed otherwise.

  • jonathangray

    This is Great Mosque of Djenné in Mali, which according to Wik “is considered by many architects to be one of the greatest achievements of the Sudano-Sahelian architectural style.” It dates from 1907 and was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1988.

    Impressive? Certainly. But to put things in perspective …

  • jonathangray

    here is Charlemagne’s palatine chapel in Aachen, built in the ninth century when Europe was, to use colnago80’s words, “mouldering in the Dark Ages”.

  • jonathangray

    lorn:

    The evil is deeply rooted in the south. No single event, or small number of events, will cause a lasting change.

    The south is still fighting the Civil War, and always will be.

    Maybe you should just let it go …

  • jonathangray

    freehand @28:

    ?

  • Anri

    I could never get a straight answer out of jonathangray as to whether we should count the contributions of Jews as “white culture” or not.

    I can’t imagine I’ll get one here, either, but I can ask again and enjoy the tap-dance.

    I’m also not entirely certain what bearing your 14th century building height has to do with being denied basic human rights… but it sure sounds like Deeply Intellectual Argument Speak for “I don’t like darkies”. Plays better in public, dontchaknow.

  • dingojack

    So Jon-Jon still tap-dancing eh?

    Let’s try again:

    You claimed:

    And I would venture to say that omissions like these routinely occur because the dominant – privileged – discourse in our society is not that of “whites” (as it may have been once upon a time) but of a clerisy of ethnomasochisic white liberals and their ethnic minority allies.

    Which led to the questions:

    “When exactly was this mythical time of ‘whites’, who were they, and what precisely was their supposed culture?”

    Dazzle us with your ‘brilliance’.

    @@

    Dingo

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Hey, I’m the first to acknowledge the splendours of Mohammedan civilisation.

    Actually, no, you’re the last, as the order of comments clearly shows. And the fact that you would make such an obviously false claim, and make it so lazily, neatly proves what a stupid lying asshole you are.

    Maybe you should just let it go …

    And that comment neatly proves you’re a flaming hypocrite as well.

    So Jon-Jon still tap-dancing eh?

    That’s an insult to tap-dancers. Jon-jon isn’t doing any kind of dancing — that’s way more effort than he’s good for — he’s just sitting back in a corner of a dark pub making stupid comments at random and probably thinking he sounds smart and cultured.

  • StevoR

    @33. &34. jonathangray : The outside of one building versus the inside of another? Hmm .. That seems legit! (Not!)

    To your “Charlemagne’s palatine chapel in Aachen” I’ll raise you The Walls of Benin City :

    ” …collectively the world’s largest man-made structure.[21] Fred Pearce wrote in New scientist:

    “They extend for some 16,000 kilometres in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 6500 square kilometres and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.[22]:

    Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Africa#Benin (Yeah, wiki again.)

    Unfortunately the British Punitive expedition of 1987 “.. captured, burned, and looted Benin City, bringing to an end the west African Kingdom of Benin. As a result much of the country’s art, including the Benin Bronzes, was either destroyed, looted or dispersed.” ( wiki / Benin _ Expedition_of_1897 )

    Also if you go back in time the Egyptians (non-white) built the pyramids and the Indians built the Taj Mahal and the Chinese built their Great Wall and so on. Oh and Incans built Macchu Picchu, the Mayans Chichen Itza, the Rapa nui people built their Stone heads (Maoi), et cetera. Clearly a lot of varying human cultures can build a lot of spectacular and marvellous things. Gee, who’d a thunk it!

  • StevoR

    PS. jonathangray Please answer the questions asked of you by 38 dingojack & 37 Anri.

  • captain_spleen

    jonathangray babbled: “The point is that these omissions serve to reinforce the notion that “historical slavery” was exclusively a matter of “white European/American guilt” rather than a combination of “white European/American guilt”, “Arab Muslim guilt” and “African guilt”. ”

    Ever since the transatlantic slave trade ended, the only thing that mattered in America has been the white European/American guilt.

    Arab Muslim guilt and African guilt is irrelevant after that point.