Wingnut Explains How Conservatives Were Tricked on Contraception

Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, president and founder of the Ruth Institute, went on a Catholic radio show and explained how conservatives were “tricked” into supporting making birth control available to married couples, leading to a slippery slope — just like same-sex marriage, dontchaknow.

“And I want to just point out,” Morse continued, “this is the whole pattern of the Sexual Revolution.” She recalled how Christians were tricked 50 years ago into agreeing to widespread contraceptive access when proponents argued “that contraceptives will only be used by married couples who need to space their births because of serious health reasons.”

However, it “never occurred” to contraceptive proponents, she said, that eventually “we’d be giving condoms to fourth graders.”

Marriage equality, she said, fits into this same pattern of progressives coming “up with one little thing that seems so harmless” and telling conservatives that they’re “so mean to not give us what we want.”

This is just such a bad argument. Giving condoms to 4th graders may or may not be a bad thing (I think it’s a very good thing), but that has nothing to do with whether adults should have the right to use it. By what legitimate authority does the government tell an adult that they can’t control their own reproduction? What business is it of yours or anyone else why they want to use contraception? The whole notion that it should require justification by reference to “serious health reasons” is nonsense that can only be taken seriously by authoritarian moral busybodies with a fetish for controlling other people’s private choices.

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  • StevoR

    Nice of them to remind exactly how far back into the past and how many issues they lost on so long ago they’re still not getting over ain’t it?

    Contraception? For fuck’s sake, they might as well whine about slavery being abolished post American Civil War .. oh wait.

  • blf

    Contraception? For fuck’s sake, they might as well whine about slavery being abolished post American Civil War .. oh wait.

    I would not be surprised (too much) if some thought that disembarking from the B Ark after Teh Flud was a bad idea. And many still seem to think Ms Eve eating a certain fruit was a really bad idea. Admittedly those are all fictional, but we are dealing with people here where too many, it seems, have a hard time distinguishing great sky faerie fiction from either fiction or fact; or between the implausible and the plausible.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    She’s got a point. You Liberals never told us Conservatives that’d you’d pervert contraception by using it to avoid pregnancy!

  • Sastra

    This whole concept of being “tricked” into giving permission for something you didn’t want to give permission for is a familiar one to parents. Those innocent-seeming “sleepovers at Brittany’s” eventually turn into bacchanal orgies with no parents and high school boys. You have to keep a strict, firm hand and careful watch over children.

    Which is apparently how these folks want to visualize and treat their fellow citizens: like sneaky and unreliable children. Maybe that’s a by-product of a world view which insists that Someone must be the in-charge parent of Everything … or else.

  • scienceavenger

    These conservatives whining about slippery slopes never seem to grasp that the reason those dominoes keep falling is because none of their arguments are worth a shit. They’re like the coach of a bad team who fears to take the field because it might lead to a losing streak, but somehow that’s the fault of the scorekeeper.

  • raven

    Slippery slope arguments almost always fail.

    Virtually all of life is a bunch of slippery slopes and 100 shades of gray. We just deal with it and move on.

    To take one relevant example.

    Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse is clearly a christofascist Catholic and all around humanity hater. The Slippery Slope fallacy says we should lock her up for our and our society’s protection. After all, if you let one of them run around with a sledge hammer, soon there could be tens of millions and shortly after that a New Dark Age.

    In realityland, we just draw a line. She can say whatever she wants but she can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to. It all works out.

  • blf

    Those innocent-seeming “sleepovers at Brittany’s” eventually turn into bacchanal orgies with no parents and high school boys.

    They do? Blast! I stopped going too soon…

  • raven

    She recalled how Christians were tricked 50 years ago into agreeing to widespread contraceptive access when proponents argued “that contraceptives will only be used by married couples who need to space their births because of serious health reasons.”

    This BTW isn’t at all true. She is simply lying here. It’s David Barton for Catholics.

    FWIW, humans have been adjusting their reproductive output to the carrying capacity of the environment for millennia in a variety of ways. In the middle ages, eligible batchelors owned land. Second and later sons frequently became celibate monks. Marrying late in life. Women frequently dying in childbirth. Unable to care for infants were often abandoned up until a few centuries ago. It even still happens today where US hospitals have anonymous deposit receptacles for babies. This was common enough that there is even an English word for it, foundlings.

  • raven

    Acceptance of contraception in the USA runs around 90%.

    Use of birth control in relevant cohorts of women runs around 99% for the general population and 98% for Catholics.

    The birth control ship sailed long ago. Dr. Morse is simply a Flat Earther, fighting an old battle that ended long ago.

    PS There still are Flat Earthers around. More of them then you could imagine.

  • scienceavenger

    StevoR: Contraception? For fuck’s sake, they might as well whine about slavery being abolished post American Civil War .. oh wait.

    You say that like its a ridiculous notion:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/07/15/historical-ignorance-n2024814

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    No, scienceavenger, StevoR says that like he just remembered that they have in fact whined about abolition, but he had it in mind the whole time.

    It was no surprise to StevoR that they’re being as theocratic as they’re being when people in the same movement still invoke their god as the architect and ennobler of slavery, an institution that is ended only by rebelling against “God” and “His” divine plan.

  • raven

    wikipedia:

    A Catholic, Morse is a married mother of two: a girl born in 1991, and a Romanian boy she adopted that same year, at the age of 2.[3]

    LOL.

    Dr. Morse, an economist not an MD, has one biological child.

    I’d call her a hypocrite but why bother. She isn’t anything more than some loon babbling away. Who knows, maybe she had 10 children and dumpted 9 of them in the hospital foundling center.

  • raven

    wikipedia:

    A Catholic, Morse is a married mother of two: a girl born in 1991, and a Romanian boy she adopted that same year, at the age of 2.[3]

    LOL.

    Dr. Morse, an economist not an MD, has one biological child.

    I’d call her a hypocrite but why bother. She isn’t anything more than some loon babbling away. Who knows, maybe she had 10 children and dumpted 9 of them in the hospital foundling center.

  • garnetstar

    Morse seems to be lying right from the start: I thought conservatives wailed and moaned when Griswold was decided (you know, end of America, erosion of moral standards, same old). “Acceptance” wasn’t exactly their response.

  • garnetstar

    Morse seems to be lying right from the start: I thought conservatives wailed and moaned when Griswold was decided (you know, end of America, erosion of moral standards, same old). “Acceptance” wasn’t exactly their response.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Giving condoms to 4th graders may or may not be a bad thing (I think it’s a very good thing)…

    4th grade = ~10 years old. Has the age of puberty dropped that low, even in this age of fatty diets and estrogenated water?

    And which company makes junior-sized condoms in the first place?

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Giving condoms to 4th graders may or may not be a bad thing (I think it’s a very good thing)…

    4th grade = ~10 years old. Has the age of puberty dropped that low, even in this age of fatty diets and estrogenated water?

    And which company makes junior-sized condoms in the first place?

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @garnetstar:

    That too.

    conservatives didn’t support Griswold at all.

  • blf

    And which company makes junior-sized condoms in the first place?

    Generalissimo Google™ says “Trojan Condoms“:

    Trojan Condoms announced a new, smaller sized condom [in late October 2014], one they say they are specifically marketing to sexually active pre-teens. The company says they are trying to acknowledge the fact that kids are slipping it in each other at younger and younger ages, and wants everyone to be protected.

  • blf

    And which company makes junior-sized condoms in the first place?

    Generalissimo Google™ says “Trojan Condoms“:

    Trojan Condoms announced a new, smaller sized condom [in late October 2014], one they say they are specifically marketing to sexually active pre-teens. The company says they are trying to acknowledge the fact that kids are slipping it in each other at younger and younger ages, and wants everyone to be protected.

  • Nemo

    What I want to know is, when did this alleged agreement happen? As far as I can tell, conservatives opposed contraception the whole way and have kept on opposing it to this day. It was made available despite them, not with their reluctant consent, but over their continued objections.

    Is she just trying to maintain the pretense that conservatives are the majority, and therefore things can only happen if conservatives go along with them?

  • Nemo

    What I want to know is, when did this alleged agreement happen? As far as I can tell, conservatives opposed contraception the whole way and have kept on opposing it to this day. It was made available despite them, not with their reluctant consent, but over their continued objections.

    Is she just trying to maintain the pretense that conservatives are the majority, and therefore things can only happen if conservatives go along with them?

  • blf

    Or maybe not… me@16 seems to have been taken in by a fake site.

  • blf

    Or maybe not… me@16 seems to have been taken in by a fake site.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    blf, small condoms are easy. You just have to tie the extra bit off in a knot. Or so I’ve heard.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    blf @ # 18: me@16 seems to have been taken in by a fake site.

    But you figured it out in only five minutes.

    Congratulations: you’ve just won yourself an automatic out from jury duty for the rest of your life!

  • Pierce R. Butler

    blf @ # 18: me@16 seems to have been taken in by a fake site.

    But you figured it out in only five minutes.

    Congratulations: you’ve just won yourself an automatic out from jury duty for the rest of your life!

  • moarscienceplz

    #16

    I call bullshit on “Trojan Juniors”. I just went to trojancondoms.com and don’r see anything about junior-sized condoms. They list three “fits”: Regular, Large, and Extra-Large. No Junior at all.

  • moarscienceplz

    #16

    I call bullshit on “Trojan Juniors”. I just went to trojancondoms.com and don’r see anything about junior-sized condoms. They list three “fits”: Regular, Large, and Extra-Large. No Junior at all.

  • Randomfactor

    They weren’t tricked into accepting contraception. The Supreme Court ORDERED it. Griswold. Just as the Supreme Court dragged their sorry asses into the 20th Century (Loving) and 21st Century (Obergefell).

  • Randomfactor

    They weren’t tricked into accepting contraception. The Supreme Court ORDERED it. Griswold. Just as the Supreme Court dragged their sorry asses into the 20th Century (Loving) and 21st Century (Obergefell).

  • moarscienceplz

    Oops, I didn’t see comment #18. That’ll teach me to read the whole thread next time.

    Sorry, BLF

  • blf

    you’ve just won yourself an automatic out from jury duty for the rest of your life!

    Pointing out that I was educated as a scientist and an important part of my day job is failure analysis also works, albeit I do have to show up just to be told to go away…

  • blf

    you’ve just won yourself an automatic out from jury duty for the rest of your life!

    Pointing out that I was educated as a scientist and an important part of my day job is failure analysis also works, albeit I do have to show up just to be told to go away…

  • blf

    moarscienceplz@23, No problem! And thanks for checking. Whilst I did try to check the Trojan site, I’m having Intertubes connection problems and the site was extremely slow-loading, so after awhile I basically said “feck this!” Without using a condom…

  • blf

    moarscienceplz@23, No problem! And thanks for checking. Whilst I did try to check the Trojan site, I’m having Intertubes connection problems and the site was extremely slow-loading, so after awhile I basically said “feck this!” Without using a condom…

  • busterggi

    If only we could return to the 1950’s when only married heterosexual persons had sex…

  • busterggi

    If only we could return to the 1950’s when only married heterosexual persons had sex…

  • Zmidponk

    @blf

    Do you have a wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/significant other of some sort? I ask, because I’m just picturing them sitting down at the computer, starting to type something in Google and seeing ‘junior size condoms’ coming up…

  • Numenaster

    @blf #24, maybe I should try that next time. I just kept my mouth shut and took notes, and for that they made me jury forewoman.

  • Numenaster

    @blf #24, maybe I should try that next time. I just kept my mouth shut and took notes, and for that they made me jury forewoman.

  • blf

    Zmidponk@27, Giggles… Not a problem, my friends all know I have a perverse, possibly perverted, sense of humor, and whilst perhaps loudly questioning me about it the local pub, would also then take care to wear pirate (spell-correction suggests primate) outfits and wave giant plastic swords (bananas). The French — I live in Southern France — would not see anything odd at all, and whilst a few tourists might, the lobsters, kraken, avocados, and other seacreatures would take care of them in short order, albeit with a lot of screams.

  • blf

    Zmidponk@27, Giggles… Not a problem, my friends all know I have a perverse, possibly perverted, sense of humor, and whilst perhaps loudly questioning me about it the local pub, would also then take care to wear pirate (spell-correction suggests primate) outfits and wave giant plastic swords (bananas). The French — I live in Southern France — would not see anything odd at all, and whilst a few tourists might, the lobsters, kraken, avocados, and other seacreatures would take care of them in short order, albeit with a lot of screams.

  • Al Dente

    The Catholic Church, ruled by a bunch of old, celibate, male bachelors, has been anti-contraception ever since Paul VI decided that Baby Jesus cries whenever someone uses a condom.

  • Al Dente

    The Catholic Church, ruled by a bunch of old, celibate, male bachelors, has been anti-contraception ever since Paul VI decided that Baby Jesus cries whenever someone uses a condom.

  • blf

    Numenaster@28, The first time I was called for juryduty in USAlienstan (in California) I showed up in full cycling kit, Lycra jersey, shorts, and cleated shoes. It actually was not intended as any sort of statement — I commuted everywhere by bicycle then — but proved perfect: The first case was a property developer accused of something-or-another, so I quite carefully pointed out to the questioning attorney that whilst I knew nothing of the individual or the case, the individual’s profession was something I was highly doubtful about, referring to my kit (clothing) as evidence of “not” conforming to the usual pro-development environment-be-unconsidered stereotypes. The elderly lady next to me in the panel then piped up saying she agreed. Both of us were dismissed, but told to return the next day…

    The only other case I was considered for that week was, in one sense far more tragic, and in another sense it was a bloody good idea I wasn’t selected. Some eejit had ignored the clearly-posted warning signs not to dive off the bridge into the river and broke(?) his neck. He (or his parents, I don’t recall now) was suing the county on some grounds I don’t recall. I was furious when I heard the summary, and when questioned pointed out the guy had to be a “complete fecking eejit” (not exactly a paraphrase) because the river was known to be contaminated and generally considered unfit for swimming.

    After that broadly useless week, I read up on jury selection and discovered many people pointing out that science-educated and similar were generally dismissed because they had a disturbing tendency to cut through lawyer’s bullshite and emotional pleading. One essay in particular still sticks with me, albeit with the passage of time, I am now quite vague on the precise details. The general ghist was an engineer(?) who happened to be selected for case involving an alleged defect in a car engine. He(and it was a he, sorry ladies) found the proceedings in the courtroom exceeding tedious, since they totally failed to address a critical point: Was the engine defective? The arguments were all about this-or-that piece of paper. As far as he could work out, no controlled trial to settle the question had been done, there was no actual data, it was all opinions and somewhat fantastical interpretations of written comments. (Whilst I now vaguely recall he more-or-less exploded in the jury room, I do not recall the outcome of the trial.)

  • howardhershey

    Before there was birth control in the late 1800s and early 1900s, there were foundling hospitals (most orphanages did not accept young children) and baby farms. The death rate in these institutions were staggering (90% or more). We could always go back to that socially acceptable form of after birth control for unwanted babies.

  • raven

    The death rate in these institutions were staggering (90% or more).

    The Catholic church ran one of those in Ireland, just rediscovered. Tuam

    Claim of 800 children’s remains buried at Irish home for …

    www. theguardian. com › World › Ireland

    Jun 4, 2014 – Historian who has traced death records of children who died at home … of child death records from the home run by Catholic nuns in Tuam, … so many children who died at the orphanage had been buried there, … a monument to the dead and push for a state-funded investigation and excavation of the site.

    Hitchens: Religion poisons everything.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    @modus #3 — We tricked em all right. And now look at the result — almost no babies are being born anymore anywhere. It’s a real tragedy.

  • freehand

    raven says: The death rate in these institutions were staggering (90% or more).

    .

    The Catholic church ran one of those in Ireland, just rediscovered.

    .

    Yes. As always, the Fundamentalist take on sex and birth control only makes sense when you understand that their motive has never been to save fetuses (or even babies!), but rather to punish the sluts for having sex. Whether or not it was consensual.