Cheesus

A church youth pastor dazzles us with his intelligence:

A couple of years ago, the youth director at Memorial Drive United Methodist Church in Houston was snacking in the church youth offices when he noticed an odd-shaped Cheeto. Upon further inspection, Steve Cragg determined he could see a familiar image of Jesus in the shape of the cheese curl.

One of the church youth named the item in question ‘Cheesus.’

‘Cheesus’ has remained on a bookcase in Cragg’s office since its discovery.

“I do not think that God makes Cheetos that look like Jesus or creates images of Himself on screen doors. I do know that God reveals Himself to us in a zillion different ways,” Cragg said. “Seeing the image of Christ in a Cheeto means that I was able to imagine it. God’s creation is full of signs and things that can and do remind us of Him.”

Cragg was moved to share a photo of ‘Cheesus’ with others in anticipation and honor of Easter.

So he knows God didn’t make a Cheeto that looked like Jesus… but he thinks it’s a sign, anyway.

Cragg almost had me thinking he knew it was a joke. But then he went ahead and said something idiotic.

It’s not a sign. It’s a Cheeto. And now it’s a Cheeto that’s a couple of years old. That’s nasty. Throw it out and remind me to avoid your office.

So what does this magical CheetoGod look like?

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I’m trying but I don’t see a Jesus.

I am seeing a fetus, though:

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(via An Apostate’s Chapel)


[tags]atheist, atheism, Christian[/tags]

  • http://www.jenniferbick.com Jenni

    It’s Jeebus! Quick! Sell it on ebay and give the proceeds to the website!

  • http://celsi.us/ Eli

    Feetos?

    People see significance in the smallest of places. I’ve never understood the need to see Jesus in everything. To the religious, they should know it’s a false idol, and not a sign. that Cheeto is trying to turn you to the devil in the form of gluttony!

  • http://chatiryworld.typepad.com Katherine

    One of my sisters thought that Jesus was actually called Cheesus when she was a kid. And the other made an easter bonnet with an ‘x’ on it, when asked why she said that people told her to put a cross on it, and that’s what she thought of as being a cross, totally correct of course. I’m so proud of them…

  • Larry Huffman

    If you turn it on it’s side it looks like some sort of weird animal, and if you turn it on the other side, it looks like a dead weird animal. It’s a sign!

  • HM

    Cheetus?

  • Matt

    Feto

  • Steelman

    Turned upside down, it looks like a male dog sitting up and begging.

  • chancelikely

    turned 90 degrees, it looks like a tetrapod dinosaur.

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  • Amy

    LOL….if my dirty mind serves me right, that looks like Jesus is good at raising more than one dead thing.

  • JimboB

    It looks kinda like a bearded fetus… I would make a Chuck Norris joke, but he’s no longer funny. :(

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    Where’s your post about the “debacle” at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago Yesterday?

    It’s just goes to show how spineless secularists are. They wouldn’t dare interrupt a Muslim prayer service, or a Passover service. They interrupt a Christian service because it is risk free. They do it because they don’t for a second expect to be in any real trouble after the fact.

    The super sad/ridiculous part is that they’ll sit around and pat themselves on the back and high five each other about how “totally radical” they are, and “Oh man, that was AWESOME!” When in reality, it’s about as daring as interrupting a bingo match at an old folks home.

    It’s exactly as imbecilic as the dude who ran on to the field at the Sox game and punched a old coach in the face. Exactly.

    Please take a lesson from the people in that church about what ‘dignity’ means.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Hemant Mehta

    Where’s your post about the “debacle” at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago Yesterday?

    It’s just goes to show how spineless secularists are. They wouldn’t dare interrupt a Muslim prayer service, or a Passover service. They interrupt a Christian service because it is risk free. They do it because they don’t for a second expect to be in any real trouble after the fact.

    Are you blaming secularists for the protest?

    Some background: there were people protesting the Iraq War during easter services at a church.

    Those people were not atheist/secularists. I don’t know where you got that idea.

    In fact, they called themselves “Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War.” In the Tribune article, there’s no reference to atheists. Or anything in that realm.

    That’s why there’s no comment on it from my end.

    Get your facts straight before you complain.

  • Sam

    Those people were not atheist/secularists.

    Can you prove that, or are you making it up?

  • Cade

    Since it’s a fetus, I’ll pay top dollar for it. It’s tough to find crunchy fetuses(sp?) these days.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Hemant Mehta

    Can you prove that, or are you making it up?

    Their name was freakin “Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War”!

    We atheists may call ourselves many things, but “Catholic”-anything isn’t one of them.

    If you think they were atheists, let me know why. I see no evidence for it, and I certainly don’t care to keep defending atheists against these baseless accusations.

  • Sam

    You may see no evidence of it, but that doesn’t mean “Those people were not atheist/secularists” as you asserted.

    Their name was freakin “Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War”!

    That is what caused you to claim they were not atheists?!? They weren’t girls either. Dude, don’t tell others to “get their facts straight” until you have a clue of your own. You are stating something as a fact that you have no idea about.

  • http://bjornisageek.blogspot.com Bjorn Watland

    No no, don’t you see, they were commies, yeah, that’s right, commies.

  • Jen

    They might be atheists. But there is certainly no reason to assume that. Not all atheists are going to protest in the middle of a service, and not all Christians wouldn’t.

    I feel bad for the people who got splattered with fake blood, but, eh, I can’t get too too worked up over it. It’s a protest. They were making a statement. That’s how that goes.

  • Shalini

    Uh, why do I have dirty thoughts? Praise Cheesus!

  • Kai

    Sam: Just as in a court of law, where the defendant is innocent until proven guilty, it is up to you to provide some convincing evidence.

    According to the Chicago Tribune, the protesters were angry that Cardinal George did not confront Bush about the Iraq war when they met in person. In no way did the group’s official statement say anything about atheism.

  • http://heathendad.blogspot.com/ HappyNat

    “Seeing the image of Christ in a Cheeto means that I was able to imagine it.”

    What a great line. The “I was able to imagine it” line pretty well sums up all religion doesn’t it kids?

  • Sam

    it is up to you to provide some convincing evidence.

    No it’s not. I have not accused them of any crime, or even of being atheists.

    In no way did the group’s official statement say anything about atheism.

    Then how can Hemant conclude that “Those people were not atheist/secularists”? Shouldn’t he have to “provide some convincing evidence” to back up his allegations? Or is that just for Christians?

    Do you think it’s reasonable that a “friendly atheist” should accuse others of “baseless accusations” and tell them to “get their facts straight” when he pulls his facts from thin air?

  • http://heathendad.blogspot.com/ HappyNat

    Settle down, Sam. I’m not sure why you are so angry at Hemant.

    The original comment by GONP that raised the issue about the protest said,

    It’s just goes to show how spineless secularists are.

    This was the original statement that needs backing up. From the articles I’ve read there is no mention of the group being secular. The protest had nothing to do with a secular or atheistic agenda. So why assume they are secular? Theists get mad at each other all the time.

    The fact that they are upset with the hypocrisy of the local Cardinal not speaking against the war, which is the stance of the Pope, would seem to point toward their being religious. Most atheists don’t care what the Pope says and really don’t care if a local cardinal is follow the doctrine of the church. I don’t know who my local cardinal is let alone his stance on the war.

  • Sam

    This was the original statement that needs backing up.

    Don’t both statements need backing up?

    If you are going to say “Those people were not atheist/secularists”, shouldn’t you have some clue what you are talking about?

  • http://www.fireandknowledge.org Josh S.

    If that’s Jesus, then his hands and legs have been amputated. Or perhaps he is meditating…

  • Soop

    I saw a news report about this online somewhere – I can’t remember where or I’d post the link. The interviewer speaks to multiple church members about the Cheesus and one hilarious person answers honestly, “Actually, it kind of looks like Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump” :D

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    Hemant,

    Please. Or should I say, Oh puhlease. “Catholic schoolgirls against the war” is clearly an attempt at irony by some foul-mouthed, spineless secularists. De-facto atheists in my opinion whether or not they claim to believe any God or no God.

    These are your people whether you like it or not. Only your people would have the lack of respect (self respect, too) to interrupt ANY religious service, no matter what religion. “Catholic Schoolgirls” is a pop-culture reference from the last half century. (Did ya see Brittany Spears’ first music video? Are we to believe she was actually a Catholic School girl?)

    They were trying to be cute by naming themselves that, and they are OF COURSE, a bunch of secularists.

    You’re surely a lover of the scientific method, right? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck… then it is in fact a secularist bunch of goofs.

    Where’s the mocking post about how stupid some of your people can be? Your message would be ten times stronger if you weren’t the atheist whip. You’d get a lot further by recognizing that idiots walk among your people, too.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    The fact is, if you fail to acknowledge your group’s shortcomings you are nothing more than a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist atheist.

    A fundamentalist anything is bad news. When people like Limbaugh, Michael Moore, and some Christians, Muslims, or Jews think that their way is the best way for all, that’s when the world is in trouble.

    If you fail to acknowledge that your people are in fact wrong some of the time, they you are no better than any of the fundamentalist groups. You are a fundamentalist.

    Definition no. 3 in the dictionary:

    Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles.

  • Kai

    So… I kind of have an honest question here… what features of this cheeto lead one to think it looks like Jesus? I admit I don’t know what Jesus looked like, but is there any evidence out there on what he looked like? And what features did he have that really stood out, leading one to think this cheeto was a good match?

    GONP, Sam: the burdon of proof lies with the accusor–and that is you. So far, you have made the logical mistake of taking a single anecdote and then applying that to a large group, and then you have made the logical mistake of claiming that protesters in a church must be secularlists without providing evidence. Until you patch the logical holes in your accusations, it is difficult for anyone on this forum to take you seriously. In fact, I’m starting to think you’re just a troll.

    The last thing I will say on this, is that the entire basis of logic, reason, and atheism, is to identify shortcomings and immediately correct them. We are in fact wrong very, very often, and we seek to identify those issues and fix them so that will will not be wrong again. There is example after example of this. Even Richard Dawkins, who I suspect you would consider to be a fundamentalist (but correct me if I’m wrong!), has published in writing that he will reconsider the existence of God when he sees some undeniable proof. Unfortunately, that proof has not yet come, and it is exeedingly unlikely.

    So, provide some evidence that the protestors were supporting a secular cause, and we will take you seriously.

  • Claire

    Of course he is, Kai. He brought his agenda to insert into the discussion on an unrelated thread, because no one here was talking about what he wanted to rant about. His post is long on venom and short on reason. It’s pretty much troll classic.

    On the Cheetos, I see long hair and a robe – who else could it be but Jebus? Except it also looks like a lotus position, so maybe it’s a hindu god…. Or a cross dressing paraplegic? Anyone who sees something in a cheetos is pretty much seeing what he or she wants to see, there isn’t a lot of room to apply logic to it.

  • Kai

    Oh, okay. I was kind of hoping for some characteristic that really stands out.

    If you turn it upside down, I kinda see another mythical figure: Snoopy.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    The hypocrisy is outrageously funny. Me a troll, and the protesters are secularists. You spend time talking about what it means to have proof of this, that, or the other and then quite on cue you say, “I’m starting to think you’re a troll.”

    Man, what a world. You’re wasting so much time by patting each other on the back when your own glaring hypocrisy makes everything you all say nothing but lip service. You’re all as bad as the creationists. You’re propagandizing and throwing stones in the same way they are.

    The point was that I had to post a comment on a completely unrelated topic because it was ignored by the people whose hypocrisy it exposes. That’s the whole point!

    Just like that video showed of the creationists in the museum ignoring carbon dating, Hemant IGNORED that which does not fit into what he is selling.

  • Sam

    Sam: the burdon of proof lies with the accusor–and that is you.

    How? I haven’t accused them of anything. Did you even read my last post?

    So far, you have made the logical mistake of taking a single anecdote and then applying that to a large group

    When exactly did I do that?

    and then you have made the logical mistake of claiming that protesters in a church must be secularlists without providing evidence.

    Wrong again. I did no such thing.

    Until you patch the logical holes in your accusations, it is difficult for anyone on this forum to take you seriously. In fact, I’m starting to think you’re just a troll.

    I have made no accusations whatsoever. If there’s a troll here it is you. But it’s more likely that you commented without reading the thread.

  • http://heathendad.blogspot.com/ HappyNat

    Only your people would have the lack of respect (self respect, too) to interrupt ANY religious service, no matter what religion.

    Good point GONP, theists never bicker, argue, or protest against other theists. This is why the Middle East has been a pillar of peace for the last 2000 years. I can’t find any statement of the group being theist or secular and just because you “know” they are secular doesn’t make it the truth. As has been pointed out why would atheists care about hypocrisy in one group of theists enough to protest. If “we” protested every hypocrisy in every sect of all religions we wouldn’t have time to tie our shoes.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    HN,

    Holy crap, you people are exhausting.

    It is your OWN hypocrisy that you pretend does not even exist.

    You use the same b.s. that theists use to make a case. You “promote” your cause in the same way that they do. You “promote” it with spin, twisting words, deflection, PR, and burying stories of atheistic goons.

    If a theist or atheist would just keep to themselves then no one could complain. But this blog is a PR vehicle. It’s a perpetuator of certain opinions. And you all have to sometimes hide the truth (re: bury unfavorable news stories) to further your cause. Hypocrisy is necessary on y’alls part to survive. Accept it. Acknowledge it.

    The way your system of “beliefs” must be promoted in public is the same way that theism must be promoted. Two sides of the same coin. Both sides are selling the “answer.”

    And yes, Hemant is “selling.” No one blogs four times a day if they’re not making money off of Google ads. (I’m all for making money, btw) What he is selling is being bought by you because it feeds your need to be members of a choir. He is “preaching” atheism and making money off it.

    That requires a certain level of hypocrisy to keep up the fight. Just like the theists do.

  • sabrina

    Yep, Hemant is preaching atheism, which is exactly why he lets a Christian post on his blog. Second, how do you know they were atheists? The article never said so, it was never alluded to, and I did a google search, and no other news agency is identifying them as anything but, Catholic Schoolgirls against the war. Why would it be odd that young and passionate theists would be against an illegal war that is resulting in the deaths of other Americans? Why would it be odd that good Catholics would be upset by their cardinal not protesting the war when he met with President Bush?

    Second, you are on a blog called friendly atheist. Yes, we atheists like to come together and share, and there are many liberal Christians who read this blog. Normally everyone has peaceful and rational discussions. I imagine that is something you don’t do a lot, considering your unfounded and vitriolic attacks against atheists. Again, if you don’t like what Hemant is posting, get off his blog.

    By the way, can you give me one example where atheists have ever disrupted private religious services? You allude that its something that only we would do, but I’ve never heard of an example. But theres plenty of examples of theists ruining other peoples religious services. And I’ll even give you an example, look what happened when a Hindu attempted to open Congress in a prayer, that will tell you how “respectful” your fellow theists are.

  • Sam

    And yes, Hemant is “selling.”

    No question about it. Of course everybody is welcome to their own beliefs – and lack of beliefs – but putting your own profit motives above your fellow man is not an admirable quality. Billions of Christians care deeply about God and have no interest in bothering you in any way. Hemant has made a career of gratuitously breaking their balls in order to sell his book. There is nothing friendly about him. He cares about nobody but himself.

  • sabrina

    What? Have you even read Hemant’s book? If this was Christopher Hitchen’s blog, or even Pharyngula, maybe, you would have a point about “breaking their balls”. The only negative comments Hemant makes about religion, are when the religious are trying to push their beliefs down our throats through the government. Hemant allows a Christian pastor to post blogs on this site. And Hemant’s book was published by a Christian company for Christian pastors to use when trying to reach out to different people in their flock. Rob Bell wrote the forward for the book. And if billions of Christians have no interest in bothering atheists, then you wouldn’t push to teach creationism in schools, to have laws honoring the ten commandments, or even read sites like this one. And who are you to say that Hemant only cares about himself, do you even know him? All you would have to do is read his book, or watch him on television, to know thats not true. The motive behind Hemant creating this blog was to bring Christians and atheists together for peaceful, and rational dialogue. Obviously, this bothers you, because you would rather just go on thinking atheists are evil and amoral demons, and you’re bothered that other Christians are starting to realize thats not true. If anyone here only cares about themselves, and pushing their agenda, its obviously you and your friend glaring omission. If you guys are looking for a fight, you’d better find another blog. Hemant doesn’t like attacks on his blog, and one reason we love this blog is because everyone gets along.

  • Jen

    I don’t know, Sam, I met Hemant in person and he was perfectly friendly to me. Now, I am an atheist, but he was also nice to the Christians he was interacting with. I believe he has also met Mike Clawson in person, and Mike is an avowed Christian who has never mentioned his Hemant-damaged testicles.

    Also, while I am sure he got paid for his book, and may make money off his ads, we all know he has a job, so I doubt the book made him rich. Also, since it was published by a Christian publisher, I am guessing the publisher made some money off those broken Christian balls.

  • sabrina

    Jen, I love the Hemant-damaged testicles. Brilliant. I wonder how many times that line is used in the E.R.: “Great, we got another Christian with Hemant-damaged testicles. Somebody should get that guy off the street.”
    :)

  • Sam

    The only negative comments Hemant makes about religion, are when the religious are trying to push their beliefs down our throats through the government.

    Not so. In this very thread he posted “a church youth pastor dazzles us with his intelligence”. A youth pastor saw a cheeto that looks like Jesus. So what? How is that an indictment on his intelligence? Why the hostility?

    Consider his post “Jesus Rose and This Is What We Get?” where he posted a cartoon comparing Jesus to a groundhog. Was that in response to “when the religious are trying to push their beliefs down our throats through the government”. No. It was pure ballbusting.

    Consider his post “The Reason Your Prayers Don’t Work”. A necessary retort? Please.

    Consider his posting a picture of a newspaper with the words “Christian” and two boys wrestling below it with the rest of the page obscured by a sticker. That’s not a response to anyone forcing beliefs down your throat. That’s pure mean.

    Go ahead and sell your books, Hemant, but don’t pretend that you are a decent human being.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Hemant Mehta

    And yes, Hemant is “selling.” No one blogs four times a day if they’re not making money off of Google ads. (I’m all for making money, btw) What he is selling is being bought by you because it feeds your need to be members of a choir. He is “preaching” atheism and making money off it.

    I find it ironic that I’m accused of selling anything on this site, when even the money made from my “soul” on eBay was donated. I’ll be honest. The ad money doesn’t amount to very much, but it does take care of the cost of the web hosting. And at some point, I’d like to migrate to a bigger server.

    Clearly, I’m rolling in the dough.

    You know what else brings in the big bucks?

    Teaching high school math.

    Hemant has made a career of gratuitously breaking their balls in order to sell his book. There is nothing friendly about him. He cares about nobody but himself.

    The original title of this blog was Ball Busting Atheists. You caught me.

    Mike is an avowed Christian who has never mentioned his Hemant-damaged testicles.

    The future name of this blog: Friendly Testicle-Damaging Atheist.

    A youth pastor saw a cheeto that looks like Jesus. So what? How is that an indictment on his intelligence? Why the hostility?

    Because he really believes it’s a sign. It’s not. It’s a very old Cheeto. And he doesn’t seem to know the difference. If he was joking about it, fine. But he wasn’t.

    There are cartoons on religion that I find humorous, but I’ve tried hard to delineate between Christians who are fundamentalists and those who do not wish to force their views upon me. I don’t have many problems with the latter group. The former group deserves to be scrutinized, called out, and scorned.

    Go ahead and sell your books, Hemant, but don’t pretend that you are a decent human being.

    I didn’t know it was bad for a writer to want to sell books.

    And I am a perfectly decent human being. You know, besides the baby-eating.

  • sabrina

    Wow. Please don’t tell me you wouldn’t poke fun at someone for something like that. If this was Richard Gere, and he saw the Buddha in a cheeto, you and the whole world would be laughing at him. Do you think because its Jesus you get a free pass? Nope, you’re allowed to believe, but we’re allowed to poke fun. Just like we’re allowed to poke fun at the myth of Christian Easter, praying for miracles, etc. Don’t tell me you don’t get a chuckle from other people’s beliefs, be they Wiccan, Hindu, or Buddhist. But because its your belief, its off limits, it can’t be touched, it hurts your delicate feelings? Nope.

    If Hemant was really “ball busting”, he would be attacking Christians, saying their beliefs are evil, pushing his views down peoples throats. You’ve never seen him do that. This is an atheist blog, we get to poke fun at what we consider irrational beliefs. You can start a blog, and poke fun at our beliefs, check out Ray Comfort’s blog, he’s already doing that.

    My guess, you know your beliefs are laughable, they don’t hold up to skepticism, and it scares you. If your beliefs were never allowed to be questioned, people wouldn’t notice how fantastical they are. And someone like Hemant, who’s nice and polite about it, scares you more than a fire-breathing atheist. Its because you know that Hemant is a decent human being that you’re scared. If you weren’t scared you wouldn’t be lurking about his blog, you’ll notice none of us are on any pro-Christianity blogs.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    My guess, you know your beliefs are laughable,

    and

    If you weren’t scared you wouldn’t be lurking about his blog,

    That’s exactly the fanaticism Hemant needs. What’s worse, someone engaging their beliefs, or someone who comes here to be preached to and whipped into a frenzy?

    There is very little difference in theism and atheism. You all need to be part of a flock just like the God people do. Human nature is funny, isn’t it? It really doesn’t matter. You just need to belong, and you found it with atheism. It’s a religion, whether you like it or not.

    I find it ironic that I’m accused of selling anything on this site,

    What I find ironic is that you use the word “accuse.” I never “accused” you of selling. Selling is not “bad” or evil. It’s what makes the world go round. The entire problem lies in the fact that you won’t admit that you ARE selling; and to sell requires solidarity. You must show solidarity to the atheist movement or else your readership would eventually find someone else to whip them into a frenzy.

    Just like a Christian preacher must do.

    And just because you’re not making alot of money doesn’t mean that you don’t intend to make a lot of money or are working TOWARDS making a lot of money.(Or power, lobby, pull, influence, etc.) Again, there is nothing wrong with that! Just admit it and recognize that you have to then compromise your “posting criteria” for the sake of solidarity. Hypocrisy is the result of that solidarity when you must bury word of certain problematic atheists.

    you’ll notice none of us are on any pro-Christianity blogs.

    HA! First of all, 1. Unproveable. 2. Where in God’s name do all those “let’s poke fun at theists” blog posts come from? Do they all submit their stupid statements for inclusion in the friendly atheist? This blog is NOTHING if not an atheist or two trolling Pro-Christianity blogs for fodder to feed to the frenzied masses. If I had three years to go back through the archives, I could cite examples of Hemant et al trolling pro-christianity blogs here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, infinity +infinity.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    Atheists are no better than theists.

    Saying “there definitely is a God” is as stupid as saying “there definitely is no God.”

    The only “defensible” observation to make is “I don’t know if there is or isn’t.” They can’t prove it and neither can you.

    It is as pig headed and egotistical to claim that you know for a fact that there isn’t.

    And yes, the burden of proof is on them. You are correct. But there is plenty (tons) of circumstantial evidence throughout the ages that at least gives theists the right to a trial.

    Playing judge, jury, and executioner makes you just as wrong as them. Turn your atheist membership cards in. They’re a tell tale sign of egotism gone wrong.

    The fact that evolution, according to Darwin himself, cannot and does not explain how the FIRST dna replication happened, is a good sign that you should keep quiet about what you definitively may or may not know.

  • sabrina

    I didn’t realize we were being “whipped into a frenzy”. My comment about lurking on this blog is that you are not engaging in a discussion, you are throwing out vitriolic attacks, accusing atheists of disrupting services with no evidence, and insulting Hemant without knowing anything about him. Obviously you are very angry, the question is why? Is it because absurd beliefs (like Cheetos being a sign from a deity) are being questioned? Why does that make you nervous? Why does the fact of being an athesit automatically make one egotistical and disrespectful?

    And you obviously don’t understand atheism when you say we “definitely know there is no god”. You will not find one atheist who will say that. Even the most “ball busting” atheists, like Dawkins or Hitchens, will never say that. They say the evidence presented is not enough to prove there is a god, the evidence says there more likely is not a god, so we’ll live our lives without a belief in god.

    For example, you don’t know if there are leprechauns. You can’t prove there are no leprechauns, so, are you a leprechaun agnostic? No, that would be ridiculous. Based on the evidence available, you assume there are no leprechauns, but should the evidence change, you can reevaluate your decision. I don’t think disbelief in leprechauns, bigfoot, unicorns, or fairies makes someone “stupid” or egotistical. I happen to think that makes someone rational.

    Your continued posting is proof that blogs like this and others are necessary. As long as people can live in this world where their beliefs are never questioned and should be given special consideration, nothing will ever change. Atheists will always be maligned (like you’re doing now) and people will always tell us to keep our mouths shut, accept religion in our schools and government, and raise our kids knowing Jesus. The day when atheists are not despised, where politicians don’t have to bend over backwards proving how much they love Jesus, the day where there really is a true separation of church/state is the day when blogs like this one will become obsolete. We are not here out of some attempt to find “religion”, or to become Hemant sheep, but to actually talk to other people who feel like we do. Most of us don’t know other atheists, those of us who have been atheists since we were teenagers didn’t even know there were others out there, its nice to be with people who know how you feel. You may not understand that because when you go out, you probably meet all types of different Christians, but, its alot harder to find an atheist. I think your words and your unfair portrayal of Hemant, speaks more about your religion than our lack of religion.

  • Darryl

    GONP, you don’t have many friends do you? Or, you don’t have the kind of friends you’d like, right? You want some cool friends, you know, some normal, together people (like Hemant). Let me give you some advice: quite being such a downer, man. Nobody likes a downer. Your posts reek of arrogance and parsimoniousness. Just who died and left you as the “Notifier?” My notifier is working just fine thank you. What qualifications do you have to be the self-appointed critic of the atheist world? Face the facts: you’re not brilliant, neither are you funny; you’ve not written anything we haven’t read many times before, and I’m amazed at the patience of those of my fellow-bloggers that have taken the time to respond to your empty posts. You should read more and write less on this site, then you’d probably pick up on how not to be a pain in the butt. But, if my experience with people like you is any indicator, you probably will ignore everything I’ve said here, won’t you.

  • Darryl

    Anybody else notice that Cheesus appears to be sporting a nice set of hooters?

  • Sam

    The ad money doesn’t amount to very much

    Ah, so it’s OK to be a whore as long as you are a cheap whore. Is that it?

    You are deriving benefits from mocking the thing that people hold most dear. You benefit monetarily (despite not being terribly good at it), and you benefit in other ways. You get your face on TV and in newspapers. But unlike other people on TV and in newspapers, you didn’t get there by being accomplished or successful – you got there by calling decent people “idiotic”. You are the ultimate troll. You have achieved fame by disparaging the most cherished part of people’s lives. Congratulations. You must be very proud.

    If he was joking about it, fine. But he wasn’t.

    I suspect he was joking, but either way, what business is it of yours? When did it become your job to decide what is “fine” in his life? Has he hassled you in some way, or did you seek him out because you like to make fun of people who are different from you?

    And I am a perfectly decent human being. You know, besides the baby-eating.

    No. No, you’re not.

    we’re allowed to poke fun at the myth of Christian Easter, praying for miracles, etc.

    Of course you’re “allowed to”, but what does it say about you?

  • sabrina

    Of course you’re “allowed to”, but what does it say about you?

    Actually, that it bothers you so much, says a lot more about you.

    You are the ultimate troll. You have achieved fame by disparaging the most cherished part of people’s lives. Congratulations. You must be very proud.

    Just like that comment tells me a lot about you. You have not been personally attacked at all on this blog, people have attempted to respond to your arguments, but you ignore them. Instead you persist in attacking Hemant who has never done anything to you, and actually attempts to try to find ways for atheists and theists to talk. You do nothing but attack, demean, and criticize. So, I’ve found out a lot about you. I’ve found out that you are the type of person who should be avoided, I’ve discovered that you’re narrow minded, I’ve discovered that you are against free speech, I’ve found that you will not criticize religion being forced down our throats but won’t stand up for our rights not to hear it. I’ve found that you are the type of Christian that gives decent and loving Christians a bad name. I’ve found out that you are the type of Christian that spurs so much atheist blogging. Thank you for the insight into your psyche.

  • Steelman

    This article has information on Catholic School Girls Against the War, as well as a pro-Palestinian group (International Solidarity Movement) with which they’re apparently affiliated in some way. No mention of any religious beliefs nor non-belief that I can find.

    If you follow the CSGAW link in the article, it leads to the Illinois Coalition for Peace & Justice. Click on the Members link at the top, and you’ll see a wide range of groups represented there, including Jewish, Buddhist, and Christian orgranizations. There was one Humanist organization. Of course, there’s no indication that any of those groups knew about, or endorsed, the actions of the CSGAW.

    I have no idea what those three men and women, who have now been arrested and charged with felonies, believe about the supernatural, just that they’re against the war in Iraq.

    To sum up the info on the Internet: no mention of atheism or Britney Spears videos. :)

  • Sam

    Sabrina,

    You have not been personally attacked at all on this blog

    In this very thread I was called a “troll” and “long on venom”. I was scolded for my “unfounded and vitriolic attacks” and told to “get off his blog.” I was told that “rational dialogue” bothers me and that my “beliefs are laughable”.

    you are against free speech

    No, I just finished saying “of course you’re ‘allowed to’” ridicule Christians.

    [Hemant] attempts to try to find ways for atheists and theists to talk.

    Do you know what a youth director does? Did you ever know a kid who was lost? A kid who felt like they didn’t fit in? A kid from a broken home who wasn’t loved? Youth directors help kids like that. For very little money, youth directors spend time with those kids and show them that they can succeed and that they have value.

    Hemant is not “finding ways for atheists and theists to talk” by calling this youth director “idiotic”. He is obsessing about a cheeto while ignoring all the good this man does in the world.

    I’m sure you are a nice person and I wish you no harm. If you don’t accept Christianity that is your decision, and I have no interest in forcing it down your throat. But I hope you won’t associate yourself with haters.

  • Darryl

    Hemant is not “finding ways for atheists and theists to talk” by calling this youth director “idiotic”. He is obsessing about a cheeto while ignoring all the good this man does in the world.

    Hemant seems to be getting you to talk. Hemant is not obsessed, I don’t think. Neither does he ignore what is good. But, what is objectionable about this little religious episode is not the good that any Christian does but the bad that they do when they throw common sense out the window. Am I to think that the transcendent God that created this marvelous universe takes the time to perform a miracle on a cheeto? Far cry from raising the dead.

  • Claire

    It depends, Sam – are you the same person as the one who styles himself “Glaring Ommission Notifier Person”? If you are not, then most of those personal attacks were not directed at you, but at him. There may have been some confusion between the two of you, since your postings seem to be so closely allied. If so, sorry about the confusion, and I apologize. Your postings were only a bit cranky (crankiness is ok), but his were decidedly trollish.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    I didn’t realize we were being “whipped into a frenzy”.

    You are. You people are perhaps the most closed minded I have ever seen. It is astonishing. You resort to bullying. You ignore my assessment that the entire premise of this blog is “trolling” on theists. It is 5% sharing thoughts, and 95% making fun.

    Is it because absurd beliefs (like Cheetos being a sign from a deity) are being questioned? Why does that make you nervous?

    Ridiculous. It’s like you don’t even read English.

    because when you go out, you probably meet all types of different Christians,

    Yes, illiteracy is tragic. When did I say I was a Christian? Add pigeon holing to bullying. It’s the only way you know how to respond to honest criticism. To bully then pigeon hole.

    It’s quite sad that such “cool” people really have no response to legitimate comments. (The leprechaun bs is yes, bs. You would have clearly read that theists have tons of circumstantial evidence spanning thousands of years to support a little bit of a claim. Unicorns do not. You would have read that if you were not simply looking for angles to bully with.)

    Does this blog rely on trolling theism or does it not? You can’t answer a simple question, or defend the fact that it’s really all this is.

    All you people do is bully those who have a different view. “Lurking?” What a hilarious word you use. Yes, reading a blog is so out of the ordinary and sociopathic. You got me. I post a comment when I see glaring hypocrisy and y’all can’t even respond to anything except say things like, “You have no friends, right?”

    But you’ll probably just ignore me pointing out your shortcomings and just remark about how I must be some weirdo, right?

  • Claire

    Glaring Ommission Notifier Person said,

    Yes, illiteracy is tragic.

    Yes, it’s really sad when someone can’t even spell his own name. The word omission has one ‘m’, half-wit. Now you’ll probably claim it was an intentional misspelling, because you can never be wrong, right?

  • Steelman

    To GONP:

    You ignore my assessment that the entire premise of this blog is “trolling” on theists. It is 5% sharing thoughts, and 95% making fun.

    You’ve carefully considered the subject matter of nearly two years worth of posts, and then categorized and calculated this result? Also, Sabrina addressed this general assertion in her March 26, 2008 at 9:56pm post, so consider your assessment not ignored, twice.

    Yes, illiteracy is tragic. When did I say I was a Christian? Add pigeon holing to bullying. It’s the only way you know how to respond to honest criticism. To bully then pigeon hole.

    You’re the one who came charging in the door, keyboard blazing, acting like a troll: posting way off topic; making unfounded assertions about events at an Easter church service (addressed in my post above); and accusing people of making unfair generalizations about others, while yourself painting everyone here with the broadest brush you could muster.

    So, you’re not a Christian, then? Why not lay your metaphysical cards on the table, and we’ll start having the kind of dialogue you claim doesn’t happen much here?

    It’s quite sad that such “cool” people really have no response to legitimate comments.

    I doubt anyone here considers your comments legitimate, for the reasons I stated above. Yes, there really are a lot of cool people here, but you wouldn’t know it; you’re too busy spouting off in an embarrassingly (for you) ignorant fashion.

    Does this blog rely on trolling theism or does it not? You can’t answer a simple question, or defend the fact that it’s really all this is.

    I think you’re a little confused about the practice of Internet trolling.

    From Dictionary.com:
    regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand – they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he’s just a troll.”

    The above definition would make you the troll, not Hemant; you’re disrupting his blog, not the other way round.

    Just for the record, I don’t believe in the Christian God. And staging an anti-war protest at an Easter church service is something I definitely wouldn’t do or condone. There are probably a number of others here who would agree with me on those two points, but you’ll never hear from them; they clicked on to the next thread when you showed up in full flame-bait mode.

    Yes, reading a blog is so out of the ordinary and sociopathic. You got me. I post a comment when I see glaring hypocrisy and y’all can’t even respond to anything except say things like, “You have no friends, right?”

    But you’ll probably just ignore me pointing out your shortcomings and just remark about how I must be some weirdo, right?

    Sociopathic, no. Crying out for attention (“please call me a weirdo, so I can keep saying how mean all ‘you people’ are”), probably. Have you got anything more than non-stories about mean “atheists”, assertions without arguments, and name calling to offer? If so, there are (remarkably!) a couple of people on this thread who are still listening.

  • Glaring Ommission Notifier Person

    Also, Sabrina addressed this general assertion in her March 26, 2008 at 9:56pm post, so consider your assessment not ignored, twice.

    If you’re referring to this:

    The motive behind Hemant creating this blog was to bring Christians and atheists together for peaceful, and rational dialogue.

    Yes, this is also quite funny. What you all “claim” the blog is and what it actually is, are two very very different things. Just because she “addressed” it means nothing. That’s the b.s. line, but I’m referring to what the real purpose of the blog is.

    Like I said, this blog is a compilation of hundreds, perhaps thousands of entries that exist merely to make fun of, humiliate, or ridicule theists.

    Really, trolling, this, that, or the other is all irrelevant. You cannot admit that this blog exists to tear others down.

    Where do all these entries come from? Are they not the result of atheists “combing” the internet for things to make fun of? The dude with the reflection of the cross on his garage? Where does it come from if not from trolling/combing the internet for fodder to humiliate people?

    You know what? Don’t bother responding. I know there is no answer that you can honestly provide. I will be back in a few months after the next hypocritical moral failure by Hemant piques my interest to check to see if he’s stepped up to the plate and shed the solidarity burden. His cross, if you will.

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  • http://thehappyhuman.wordpress.com jtradke

    Are they not the result of atheists “combing” the internet for things to make fun of?

    No, they are not. Is that a clear enough answer for you? There is no secret cabal of atheist foragers.

    Where does it come from if not from trolling/combing the internet for fodder to humiliate people?

    Are the mechanics of social networks completely foreign to you? It’s as if you’ve never been on the Internet before. Each one of us is privy to millions of pieces of information per day. For Hemant, some of that information is bound to be silly stories about religion, which he then shares. It’s nothing more sinister than that.

    And anyway, did you actually expect a reaction different from the one you got? It’s not as if you moseyed in here with an inquisitive demeanor looking to get some real answers; you clearly charged in, guns blazing, and asked some offensively loaded questions. How did you honestly expect anyone to react civilly when you displayed no such civility yourself? What sort of ends can that kind of behavior result in?

  • http://atheistisland.wordpress.com/ PrimateIR

    Many times when I have visited this atheist site I have been offended by the snide remarks made about Our Lord Odin and I am so happy to see one of us casting aside decorum and taking a stand.

    Go, Sam. Go!

  • JerryFLA

    “Cheesus Crisp Supersnack”

    Lieutenant Dan!


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