How to Deal with “In God We Trust” On the Money

Ignore it and support church-state separationism. To do the other things you listed is illegal, and since we atheists have to set a good example for everyone else, they are not options.

Option 5) Move to the UK where we have Darwin on our £10 note!

I’ve been crossing out the “GOD” and filling in “REASON” for years; during which I’ve probably “Constitutionalized” tens of thousands of dollars worth of currency.

Sometimes, I draw an “insertion arrow” that proofreaders use and indicate that “GOD” should add an extra “O”; so it reads in “IN GOoD WE TRUST.”

And, no, this is absolutely NOT ILLEGAL.

I’ve looked into this: It would be illegal to deface the money if you intended to deface the currency in order render it no longer usable as legal tender in circulation.

Crossing out “GOD” and putting in “SCIENCE” or “REASON” or “EAT AT JOE’S” or anything else is as legal as putting a mustache on the face of the president with a pen.

There are many, many more examples of defaced money at UglyMoney.com, or, even the “Defaced Presidents” photo pool on Flickr.com.

For years I have encouraged all who support Church-State separation to do this, and will continue to do so.

If it offendeth thine eye, send it to me. I can handle it.

Option 5) Contribute to Michael Newdows case to remove it….
http://www.restorethepledge.com/

Darryl , AFAIK…crossing out/stamping the phrase is not illegal, as long as it doesn’t change to face value of the money.

As a scientist (well, a mathematician, but close enough in this case), I find option 4 a bit creepy. Personally, as a government employee I’ve taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and so am legally required to practice option 3. The part of me with an obscure sense of humor wants to replace it with “TANSTAAFL,” but so far I’ve always resisted the urge.

Darryl , AFAIK…crossing out/stamping the phrase is not illegal, as long as it doesn’t change to face value of the money.

Defacing currency is illegal from what I’ve heard. However, the law against it would be unconstitutional anyway, so if you’re looking to get the issue resolved, getting arrested/fined/whatever-the-penalty-is for this would be a good tactic.

There is some good info about the legality of “defacing” bills at Atheists.org.

My suggestion is to use a hole punch on the word “God”. If the item is question is effectively invisible, then why not the reference to it?

Cross off the whole phrase and replace it with E Pluribus Unum. This was the de facto prior National Motto and was a unifying one. It also shifts the emphasis of the complaint from the word ‘God’ to the meaning of the phrase as a whole. In plain language, the motto is ‘We Trust in God.’

Another option is to radically re-define what ‘god’ actually refers to. It certainly doesn’t seem to appeal to the god of Abraham any more than any other god. It’s compatible with Deism and/or Pantheism. And Pantheism basically equates god to reality, so IGWT doesn’t really offend me in that sense.

Then again, I just used some seemingly apologetic nonsense to justify my lack of offense. That, in turn, offends me. Excuse me while I go vomit.

Damn you people.

Atheists are not good at getting worked into an emotional pitch about things like this. I wanted to hear great and fun suggestions for defacing money and causing a ruckus!

This is a trivial issue.

No, it isn’t. At least its status as the National Motto is very much non-trivial. Identifying ‘we’ as those who trust in God and those who do not trust in God as ‘them’ is very harmful. Since it is the National Motto, states can (and have) passed laws requiring posters of the National Motto be put up in public school classrooms and the like. See the American Family Association’s IGWT page:

http://www.afa.net/igwt/

If a public school puts up a poster of “In God We Trust” over a background of an American flag in my kids’ classroom, it’s coming down. I would expect non-whites (and many whites) to have a similar reaction to “We are White” posters.

Divisive identifications of ‘us’ and ‘them’ are NOT trivial.

Ben… I completely agree that the phrase is not trivial. People have used it to justify all kinds of hatred toward non-Christians. I wrote about the us verses them issue a while back, and I still think that should be cause for concern. That’s why I suggested supporting the one effort out there that might do something about it.

Dammit. Kyle got in there ahead of me.

How about crossing out “god” and making it more specific by writing the names of random gods there?

In Thor we trust – In Mammon we trust – In Discordia we trust – In Uranus we trust – In Allah we trust … etc.

I think Colin’s idea is good. If you write “science” or “reason” I bet it would cause a negative reaction in your average Christian American. Even those “on the fence” might get annoyed at “godless liberals” defacing their money. How would that help the church-state separation cause? But if you put “Allah” it could raise someone’s consciousness a bit on how weird it is to put gods on the money.

Or if you’re an X-files fan, cross out the whole thing and put “Trust No One”.

Well, it MAY not be illegal – but consider this:

18 USC 333

Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Also consider this:

SECRET SERVICE THREATENS COUPLE FOR STAMPING ONE DOLLAR BILLS 09/11/95 WOODSTOCK, New York — A couple who habitually brand their one dollar bills with a marijuana leaf and the quote: “I grew hemp,” were recently contacted by Woodstock police acting on behalf of the Secret Service. Joy Beckerman and James Horn, owners of the Heaven On Earth Hemp Store, report that the police came to them with Xerox copies of stamped dollar bills and a written warning from the secret service specifying that the practice of defacing United States currency was a federal crime. Although Horn admits that the local officers were laid back about the whole issue, he claims that the notice stated that the U.S. Attorney General would be contacted and charges would be pressed if the couple didn’t immediately stop the stamping.

My suggestion – just ignore it.

I think it’s a good start to being vocal and making Atheism mainstream. How many kids in podunk Idaho don’t even realize they have an option? Or it might make someone think for 2 seconds. If one of us got that dollar we might have a moment of solidarity.
It would have meaning to me and I suspect it would have meaning to others so all ya’ll whining about it being a, “pointless waste of time,” need to go back in the closet. If you can’t be part of the solution at least get out of the way for those of us who want to do our part.

In God We Trust = Gott mit uns, at least in spirit.

I would think that the problem was the “marijuana pride” being displayed on the bills…

I wonder how the Secret Service would react to “In Corey Feldman We Trust”?