Atheist Bus Ads Go Up in Fort Worth!

The Dallas – Forth Worth Coalition of Reason has a new bus ad going up today, adding to the mix of ads showcasing atheists as normal, everyday people:

It may be bit difficult to notice, but those images are on a backdrop of the American flag. (See? We’re patriotic!)

… The campaign is designed to help those interested find the fifteen area nontheistic groups that make up the DFW coalition.

“We’d have run these ads on Dallas buses as well,” noted DFW CoR Coordinator Terry McDonald, “but when we approached DART, they chose to stop running all religiously-related ads rather than include ours.”

Reaching out to a secular audience isn’t the only goal of the campaign, however. “We want religious people to understand that non-believers are basically the same as everyone else,” added Terry McDonald. “We are as ‘good’, as moral as any other group. If you look you’ll find us among your friends, neighbors, coworkers and family members. There are about 50 million non-religious people in the United States. It’s time we were recognized and granted our rightful place in society.”

I wonder if this will get the same kind of press American Atheists is getting right now with their billboard. (Judging by AA’s recent press releases, you’d think president Dave Silverman was more overexposed than Lady Gaga.)

If it doesn’t, I suspect you may soon be seeing more aggressive forms of advertising — with messages directly criticizing religion instead of reaching out to closeted atheists. It’s not that the “happy Humanist” messages aren’t important, but when you’re paying this much for billboards, publicity means everything.

  • http://everydayatheist.wordpress.com Everyday Atheist

    This is one of the best ads yet from a marketing standpoint.

    1. Direct, positive (but uncompromising) message.
    2. Well-designed (both attractive and easy to read).
    3. Humanizes nonbelievers.
    4. Advertises availability of organizations.

    Kudos, DFWCOR!

  • JSug

    when we approached DART, they chose to stop running all religiously-related ads rather than include ours.

    I would encourage them to monitor this, because if DART can suddenly decide to change their guidelines to exclude a group, what is to stop them from changing back?

  • Anonymous
  • microbiologychick

    Woot! I’m 6th on the top row and Matt Dillahunty is 14th!

  • http://fofdallas.org Zachary Moore

    FYI, the photos in the advertisement are of some of the people who make up the Dallas/Fort Worth Coalition of Reason. Most of us had our pictures taken during the Texas Freethought Convention – it was a great experience!

    (I’m at the lower left corner, second row across and second column up, right next to DFWCoR Coordinator Terry McDonald)

    -Z

  • Amanda Jules

    Such a positive message seems to really be upsetting the bible belt. Many of the comments in the articles state that while we may be good, we aren’t ‘saved’. It also show the ‘education’ level when statements are made about them not being able to display religious items on court lawns but we can do it on city buses.

    (I am second row, third from the left. My husband Alix Jules, creator of DFWCoR Diversity Council, is top row third from right.)

  • http://annainca.blogspot.com Anna

    Very nice! I like this one a lot. Small nitpick: I wish they said “gods” instead of “God,” but I realize that the target audience only thinks about their particular deity. Still, I would love for some of these billboards to nudge theists into thinking outside the culture box.

  • Jeff

    Read the comments beneath the article in the Star Telegram. The poor, oppressed Christians want to fire the person responsible for approving the signs.

    Texas. Enough said.

  • Robert W.

    If it doesn’t, I suspect you may soon be seeing more aggressive forms of advertising — with messages directly criticizing religion instead of reaching out to closeted atheists. It’s not that the “happy Humanist” messages aren’t important, but when you’re paying this much for billboards, publicity means everything.

    Thank you. Now can everyone quit pretending that the New York billboard wasn’t meant to be offensive.

  • Jeff

    Well, I left a few snarky comments, and now they’re are going straight to moderation. Some poor, outraged Christian(s) apparently flagged them.

    Say what you will about Christians – there is no group so quick to take umbrage. If you want to offend someone, and don’t have all day to wait around, always choose a Christian. They will never let you down!

  • http://www.youtube.com/aajoeyjo Joe Zamecki

    Darn nice bus ads! All this speaking out in public via paid advertising seems to be paying off, at least in the way of media attention. Sweet!

    Someone’s always going to be bothered by the message, no matter how carefully we word it. I say let’s focus our critiques of pushy and insensitive messages on the advertising we see Christians coming up with. We can be a really aggressive movement when we get riled up and ready to react. I think it’s in our best interest to make sure that we reserve our “fight” for the opposition.

  • Richard Wade

    “but when we approached DART, they chose to stop running all religiously-related ads rather than include ours.”

    How cowardly.

    A policy so timid to avoid offending a faith so weak that it cannot withstand even the awareness that some are not convinced.

  • Rich Wilson

    The comments on that Star-Telegram piece nearly made my poor head explode. People won’t take the bus because of those ads? Yeesh, they’re SO offensive!

    Honestly, the people who assume atheists can’t be good are the scary ones.

  • http://www.zazzle.com/atheist_tees The Godless Monster

    Fantastic job; glad to see someone get it right. American Atheists could learn a thing or two from this campaign.
    I’m with Anna on the “gods” instead of “God” thing, but it’s a minor thing overall.

  • Richard Wade

    The people who find these ads “offensive” must not have any skin at all.

    Oooh, people exist who don’t believe what I can just barely keep myself believing! Oooh that is so scary! Make it go away!

    Oooh, those people are good people! Nooo! Nooo! Say it isn’t sooo! Aieeee! (dissolving into a blob of thumb sucking, rocking-back-and-forth catatonia)

    What a bunch of pathetic spoiled brats. If the fact that good atheists exist and don’t need their Policeman to behave themselves is so deeply threatening, then their decrepit, held-together-with-string-and-chewing-gum faith should be tossed in the trash.

  • http://littlelioness.net Fiona

    I hoping that exclusion also means they stop advertising religious schools.

  • Catinthewall

    So, has DART’s ad policy been permanently changed, or will they change back as soon as the local COR stops putting up ads? I wouldn’t be surprised if they start advertising religion in 3-6 months. Would such policy flipflopping be enough for a lawsuit?

  • Jeff

    What a bunch of pathetic spoiled brats. If the fact that good atheists exist and don’t need their Policeman to behave themselves is so deeply threatening, then their decrepit, held-together-with-string-and-chewing-gum faith should be tossed in the trash.

    Richard, you should leave this there as a comment.

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  • Richard Wade

    Jeff,
    Thanks for your encouragement. I put up the whole comment on the Star Telegram site. Five “likes” in the first ten minutes.

  • Makenzie

    I am a Christian and I would like to say that i am not shocked or offended by the advertisment. If we advertise our beliefs what reason do you have not to? That being said, not all that you say about Christianity is true. If you would like tolerance from Christians you ought to give us the same. I will pray for those who have posted here. You may have written God off but He hasnt given up on you.

  • Troglodyke

    Makenzie, we haven’t “written god off.” That’s like saying we have “written off” pink unicorns and the Tooth Fairy.

    Do you believe in either of those things? No? Then would you say you’d “written them off”?

    We. simply. do .not. believe. in. god(s).

    I am, in general, a very “live and let live” kind of person. I really am. But yeah, many atheists are getting angrier and angrier, and we are to the point where we aren’t going to take it anymore.

    (Of course, when atheists get angry and decide we aren’t going to take it anymore, we write letters and blogs and billboards. We rarely use violence or destroy property like angry religionists do. I’m just sayin’.)

    How ridiculous is it that believers spread stories that have never been substantiated as truth, expect everyone to live by those stories, rail against those who don’t and condemn us to hell, and then have the audacity to wonder why we are upset?

    not all that you say about Christianity is true

    Not MOST of what Xtians say about atheism is true. When you and other Xtian leaders start admitting that, I’ll calm down and stop making generalizations about your religion. Thanks.

  • http://muledungandash.blogspot.com/ Mule Breath

    There was an interesting switch in headlines between the online and print editions of the Startlegram. Jump over to Mule Breath’s blog to see the difference and my comments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000586562927 muggle

    when we approached DART, they chose to stop running all religiously-related ads rather than include ours.

    If I believed they’d keep it that, I’d be cheering. I think that’s actually the right stance. Public transit shouldn’t either promote or discourage religion. I only support our ads on buses because the religious ones are already allowed.

    However, they’d be wise to follow JSug’s suggestion and monitor it because somehow I doubt that it’s sincere.

  • Kamaka

    @ Makenzie

    If you would like tolerance from Christians you ought to give us the same.

    Excuse me, but it’s the christers who are the intolerant lot. Just ask a queer.

    I will pray for those who have posted here. You may have written God off but He hasnt given up on you.

    Makenzie, do you realise this sentiment is perceived by us godless types as passive-aggressive abuse? In other words as arrogant and patronising?

  • Richard Wade

    Makenzie,
    I appreciate your spirit of fairness, equal rights and mutually respectful treatment. Yes, untrue things are said about Christians, just like the stuff we get.

    I want to refrain from saying that crap, just like I want to not have it said about me. We can all practice giving gentle answers to turn away wrath, and avoid harsh words that stir up anger. I’m willing to go first. I’m going to tell you my thoughts and feelings gently and politely, but truthfully as best I can. You tell me if I have somehow said something untrue, unfair, or uncivil.

    What often frustrates me is the difference in the threshold that must be reached to stir up anger.

    When Christians attack atheists, the atheists call it an attack.

    When atheists publicly say hello to each other and give contact information, Christians call that an attack on them. When atheists publicly assert that atheists are decent, good people, Christians call that an attack on them. When atheists call themselves something like “the Coalition of Reason,” Christians say that the use of the word “Reason” is an attack on them. When atheists want to celebrate science and rational thinking on Darwin’s birthday, Christians call that an attack on them. When atheists show support for GLBT people who want to be treated decently and fairly, Christians call that an attack on them. When atheists make their presence known in public by the most innocuous means possible, even if it’s “Pssst. Hey other atheists, we’re over here,” if it’s between November 1 and December 31, Christians call that an attack on Christmas. When atheists express that they are simply not convinced of a Christian claim, Christians call that an attack on them.

    Yes, atheists sometimes actually attack Christians. but for the most part, atheists don’t have to work very hard at all to “stir up anger” in Christians and be called attackers. All it seems to take is for an atheist to inhale and exhale.

  • http://www.correntewire.com chicago dyke

    Thank you. Now can everyone quit pretending that the New York billboard wasn’t meant to be offensive.

    “offense” is in the eye of the beholder. i thought it was funny, not “offensive.”

    and MacKenzie: your “god” is pretty clear about people like me. we’re supposed to be slaughtered like animals. i will never, ever worship or respect any (imaginary) being or faith that posits people like me should die… just because we love someone.

  • texan

    I like this much better than the earlier billboard. Though atheists believe there isn’t a god and theists cannot prove otherwise, it is also true that atheists cannot prove the statement that god is a myth (can’t prove a negative, especially when the myth in question is so all-powerful that he could manipulate reality and exist without evidence). So I hear the points made in support of the billboard and think, “yeah, but that is deliberately insulting to believers, for no good reason.” Many have denied it and, I suspect, many more will, but I think they are either kidding themselves or attempting to kid the rest of us (hey, kinda like the god folks!).

    This banner, on the other hand, allows theists to continue believing any nonsense that gets them through the day, but points out that those who disagree are still sometimes good people. It’s a much better approach, I think.

    Incidentally, to the comment about Texas, yes, the dominant paradigm here is pretty, um, let’s just say status quo, but plenty of Texans support free thinking and alternate views. It just so happens that, frequently, people who write in to the Startlegram are morons (you should see their weekly “Cheers and Jeers” column). Idiocy is everywhere–don’t blame Texas.

  • Makenzie

    Richard Wade, I believe that some of the points you make are true of Christians. We tend to take some of your actions as a personal hit to our faith when in reality they have nothing to do with us. I do not believe that Christians should persecute atheists or that athiests should persecute Christians. Christians should show love to everyone no matter what they believe and I realize that very often we fail to do so. While i disagree with what you believe i do not think that I or any other Christian has the right to treat you badly because of it.

    Troglodyke, Yes i do realize that some Christians have untrue perceptions on athiests. They may think that you are bad people and in reality you are probably moral and decent people.

    Kamaka, I am sorry that you are offended by my comment as that was not my intent. However, i do not regret saying it and i ment it.

    ChicagoDyke, God does not say that Christians should kill people like you. God commands Christians to show love regardless. Christians are not perfect and though we obviously sometimes do treat you wrong, the Bible does not command that we persecute anybody or that you should be slaughtered like animals.

  • Anonymous

    Makenzie, get to know your Bible.

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. — Lev.20:13

    Here’s a handy cheat-sheet for your edification.
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

  • Makenzie

    Yes I do realize that god said that sexual sin will be punished. The point of what I had said was that Christians or anyone do not have the authority to kill as punishment. God says that there will be punishment for all types of sin but only he has the authority to give punishment.

  • Makenzie

    Yes i do realize that God says that he will punish sexual sin. the point of my last post was saying that Christians are not commanded or allowed to persecute or kill homosexuals. God punishes all sin regardless of the nature but it is not up to humans to decide. We are to show love to everyone regardless of whether they are homosexual or not.

  • Anonymous

    So who was “punished for sexual sin”? Oscar Wilde? Aaron Copland? James Baldwin? Alan Turing? Jane Addams?

    Take your judgmental crap and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Sin doesn’t exist; it’s a religious construct meant to keep people in line and fearful of god.

  • Greg

    Here’s some coverage on the local Fox channel. http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/120210-ministers-threaten-boycott-over-atheist-ad

    I just saw another one live with an interview of the VP for the Transit authority. The reporter was crazy to watch.. incredible disdain and completely unprofessional IMO.

  • Anonymous

    All right! A bus boycott for civi… Oh wait.

    Well let’s name some names. “Ministers Justice Coalition of Texas” – way to go! Julius Jackson Jr, Rev. Kyev Tatum, way to prioritize.

    “A second group of ministers aligned with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference threatened to organize a boycott if the signs are allowed.”

    For shame.

  • http://Ifthereisanobjective(onetrue)morality,howdoweknowthatwhatiswritteninthebiblecapturesit?Thebiblemightbewayoff. Robert W.

    Anon,

    Take your judgmental crap and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Sin doesn’t exist; it’s a religious construct meant to keep people in line and fearful of god.

    If you are going to start a discussion on Christian theology regarding sin it would be helpful if you understood it correctly. your statement regarding sin is cynical and wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I understand it perfectly correctly. Your assertion to the contrary is irrelevant to me.

  • Ferdinand Palma

    Makenzie,
    First and foremost I appreciate your diplomatic approach on this site. Yes, I too am an atheist, and will attempt to afford you the same level of courtesy and sincerity with my answer as you have done. My experience with “believers” is that they place all atheists into a negative category. Be that category what it may. I consider myself a passive individual who is tolerant and accepting of your beliefs, and will not attempt to sway you from your belief system. I will tell you up front that I do not believe in the existence of a God(s) and will go as far as to point out facts which fortify my position and or contradict what you may be telling me. I will not get upset, and will continue the discourse until it becomes hostile and personal. From previous encounters, this point is reached in just a few minutes. Many “believers” have the need to push their belief system onto me. Being completely intolerant and non-accepting of what I chose to believe, peppered with the constant reminder of being offended, along with the aggressive and sometimes violent gestures and mannerisms. For example, one of the tenets of a fable is that animals talk. In the story of Adam and Eve, the snake spoke to Eve. This simple fact that a snake spoke makes the bible a fable. No one has yet to convince me otherwise, and letting me know that I am going to burn in hell for questioning the word of God doesn’t work. Most of your fellow “believers” then begin with the rhetoric and attempt to talk over me and or get louder. Yet, at no time is there and concern that I may be offended by the sheer stupidity, and it is stupidity, of their arguments. As to the sign, if you find it offensive, do what I do when I see, hear or read the myriad of religious ads…Roll your eyes, think about whether or not it has any REAL affect on your life – adjust (or do what we do here…write), and move on….No hate, no violence… It is my opinion, that if it was open season on atheists, we would all die by the hand of “believers”.. (insert eye roll here)…. I am now moving on..

  • http://Ifthereisanobjective(onetrue)morality,howdoweknowthatwhatiswritteninthebiblecapturesit?Thebiblemightbewayoff. Robert W.

    You comment doesn’t show that and if you think the correct doctrine isn’t relevant then so be it.

  • Kamaka

    @ Makenzie

    Kamaka, I am sorry that you are offended by my comment as that was not my intent. However, i do not regret saying it and i meant it.

    I did not say I was offended.

    I asked if you knew you were being verbally abusive.

  • Kamaka

    @ Makenzie

    God punishes all sin

    You’re making this up.

    @ Robert W

    If you are going to start a discussion on Christian theology regarding sin it would be helpful if you understood it correctly.

    What is the proper understanding of a fictitious “offence” against a non-existant god?

  • Jay

    Wow. I guess I’m a strange sort of Christian. @ Makenzie, I don’t know you but I am proud of you for showing the peace and love side of Christianity that seems so often to be forgotten.
    First, let me start by saying this. The advertisement is 100% accurate. You do not need God to be good by the standards of the world we live in. You can be, and I am sure many of you are, good moral people without God. Please pardon the cliche, I’ve known some atheists. I even had a good friend that was an atheist… and they were good people.
    I don’t know that the billboard is the right place for this message, of course I don’t think the billboard is the right place for “Jesus is the Answer” signs either. Christianity is about a relationship, not a quick answer or slogan to illicit some emotional response.
    Now, to give another Christian’s perspective on the matters read in this post:

    @ Ferdinand Palma
    While you will find many Christians that believe the Bible is literal and scientifically factual, you will also find many that recognize the Mythopoetic language of much of the Old Testament – such as talking snakes and asses (See Balam’s donkey) You will also find that many look at the Scriptures as the telling of the story of God’s love for the people. Often this love is misunderstood and misused by the people who choose to follow God. That does not change who God is nor does it change what God does.

    @ Anonymous
    Nothing can be said to justify the ignorance of some of the headline grabbing “Christian Coalitions” that jump out, get in front of cameras, and threaten boycotts such as the one you reference. Somehow I don’t think this would be Jesus’ first response to an ass walking by with a reference to Ba’al painted on it by its master.

    @ chicago dyke
    Don’t be so sure that you know what God thinks of you according to the belief’s of “Christians.” Did you know that some Christians think that Jesus was tolerant and welcoming of Gays and Lesbians? The truth is this is still a topic of debate within the Christian intelligencia. I don’t know the answer to the debate but what I know is what I believe – that Jesus came, lived among us, taught us how to live and love others, died a horrible death (none of that is debatable – it is fact) ( this is the faith part with some support within early non-canonical Jewish and Roman literature…) and then on the third day rose again, defeating the power of death and sin and offering all who follow his teachings a full, abundant life.
    I assume from your “name” that you are lesbian, that does not change God’s love for you, if (for the sake of argument) I concede that being gay is a sin, I must admit that I overate at CiCi’s tonight (I have kids, OK) and gluttony is a sin too. Based upon your premise I too should be slaughtered like an animal. That is not the view of mainstream Christianity, only the far right ultra conservative (who are usually the most vocal and give Christians a bad reputation.)

    Well, already too long. Probably too late to get in the discussion anyway. Wish I could get to @Richard Wade, @Texas, and others.
    In a nutshell, I hate that so many who claim to follow Jesus Christ seem to live, act, and treat others in such a way that they would make the Jesus of history (Christ or not) embarrassed to have his name associated with them.

    May you all know peace this holiday season.
    J

  • http://www.jesusneverexisted.com Robert_B

    @Jay Greetings Sir: You typed “that Jesus came, lived among us, taught us how to live and love others, died a horrible death(none of that is debatable – it is fact)”

    Jay, Jesus was believed to be real by early Christians and to have lived, ministered, died, buried, resurrected in the Platonic realm of the Gods. Greco-Roman-Egyptian cultures were saturated in Platonism. It was the default world view. Where modern err is to impose their post Age of Enlightenment rationalist world view on ancient religious sectarian writings. The ancients had visions and revelations of the gods, including Jesus. Paul and the other early Christian writers knew nothing of the Jesus gospel story. Their divine Christ was a Platonic spirit realm savior. The author of Mark’s gospel invented the earthly Jesus narrative from an unrelated collection of anecdotes, periscopes, sayings and brief tracts formed and or written by other’s visionary revelations or mystical sensations of Jesus.

    Earl Doherty shows this very competently in his book, Jesus: Neither God Nor Man – The Case for a Mythical Jesus found at http://tinyurl.com/269grpm and at http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/mark.htm one can read some interesting facts about the gospel of Mark.

    Best Wishes and Happy Winter Solstice, The Real Reason for the Season.

  • Jay

    @ Robert B
    Thank you for your reply Robert. I must admit I had to weed through the language to find you meaning. Why must we overload our commentary with big words, some of which are used inappropriately (sic. a periscope is a tool or instrument used to observe from a hidden position – often found on a submarine where as a pericope is a short story within a larger narrative such as, and most often associated with, a Biblical passage read within a service of worship)?
    At any rate while I recognize your argument regarding the Greco-Roman culture that saturated the region, you must look both within and beyond this culture to find evidence of Jesus. Yes, Mark did create a new literary type known as Gospel and he was likely a Greek that would have grown up in the culture you speak of, yet he was also a student of Peter- one that was said to be a contemporary and disciple of Jesus. Furthermore, Josephus – a Jewish historian and not a follower of Jesus mentions the man Jesus in his writings in several places. There are other mentions of Jesus outside of the Greco-Roman culture.
    Looking beyond Mark and the “Q” texts you spoke of without knowing it, you can look to Luke, a physician who studied and spoke to first-hand witnesses to the life of Jesus and find additional help.
    Additionally, when you look deep enough you will find writings of high ranking Roman officials in the late First Century and early Second Century who asked what they were to do with all these followers of a man they had previously executed named Jesus.
    While I know you may choose not to recognize these vague references, there is one question that remains to be asked: how is it that so many people through the early years of Christianity were willing to die for what they believed if there was no fact upon which they placed their faith? The argument that “belief” can make one do crazy things works for us 2000 years after the fact but what about those that “walked” with Jesus those 2000 years ago? If what they believed was false, why would they have been willing to die?
    I am not saying that it is a fact that the historical Jesus was God or a god, I am simply saying that historically there was a carpenter named Jesus who hailed from Nazareth in Judea.
    I apologize if I seem too argumentative – that was not my intention, yet I do enjoy the intellectual debate that remains respectful.

    -”If what I believe is false I have lost nothing, yet if what you believe is false then you have lost everything.” Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

  • Daniel

    What is it with you Americans and your flag? Yeah, I know it looks awesome, but why is it so important to show off your patriotism on every fucking occasion. It would make sense if the ad was from Americas Atheist or any other atheist group with “America” in its name, but DFWCOR? Seriously?

    Your flag is everywhere. I bet somewhere there is even a dildo with the American flag on it. (Not meant to be offensive, I just want to point out the ridiculousness.)

    As a German citizen with immigration background I find it very hard to understand. Waving the flag on special occasions such as international sport events or national holidays I totally understand. But for you it almost a daily routine. As if you are trying to convince everyone around you how very American you are. Kinda like the paranoid homophobe who tries to convince his environment of his manliness by saying tits and beer at least 5 times a day and also mentioning how much he hates homosexuals.

    You guys go so much over the top that I find it highly disturbing. You call it patriotism, I call it nationalism. There is not a single American politician who is not pictured with the American flag in the background. And there is no such picture that is not waved around by some shouting, borderline retarded hillbilly on a rally. Even war-monger like George W. Bush or (I have no words for it) like Sarah Palin get their share of supporters. However, never have I seen Americans carry pictures of Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, printed in front of an American flag. Yes, he made possible for you to see the mentality of at least some of American soldiers serving oversees. (For example the helicopter crew who shot a van full of civilians including children.) Exactly the mentality you would expect from people waving their national flag around all day. You know, they are not American, fuck them.

    That is the difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism values responsibility, while Nationalism values loyalty and denying deficiencies. So if you think you are patriotic, next time carry a picture of Julian Assange printed on an American flag. Value and praise the people who confront you with your country’s wrongdoings just as much as your countries virtues that you like. THAT is patriotic, everything else is just stupid, primitive nationalism.

    You are welcome to disagree with me on my opinion. However, note that it is simply silly to senselessly showing off the flag of the country you by some chance happen to be born in. If you embrace humanistic principles, you should care about people, not some artificial “burning mark” that discriminates between humans.


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