Girl Scout Cookie Boycott Launched After Inclusion of Transgender Child

A 14-year-old former Girl Scout from California (identified as Taylor) created a YouTube video (which has since been made private) calling for a national boycott on the purchasing of Girl Scout cookies after a troop in Colorado recently admitted a transgender child.

In the video, Taylor performs adorned with a silver cross and a sash covered with badges, while making statements like this one:

Right now, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A…is not being honest with us girls, its troops, its leaders, its parents or the American public… Girl Scouts describes itself as an all-girl experience. With that label, families trust that the girls will be in an environment that is not only nurturing and sensitive to girls’ needs, but also safe for girls.

Of course, Taylor thinks only her definition of a girl matters and, beyond that, all nurturing and sensitivity is out the window!

Most disturbing to me and my family is they also admitted to have already placed transgender boys throughout America without letting everyone know.”

What!? You were not all consulted personally on a decision that has nothing to do with you directly and is actually none of your business!? Amazing.

First off, hooray for the Colorado troop! Considering the Girl Scouts has a fairly strong religious mainstay (check out Wikipedia for some little tidbits on Girl Scout values), this inclusion makes me slightly more optimistic about the organization’s future. That said, in December, three Louisiana-based leaders resigned and dissolved their troops after hearing of Colorado’s decision, with one calling it “an almost dangerous situation” for children.

All this talk of danger and lack of safety… am I the only person who is not fearful of transgender 7-year-olds?

In response to the outcry from religious zealots, the Girl Scouts of Colorado released this statement:

If a child identifies as a girl and the child’s family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout.

Felisha Archuleta, the child’s mother also defended her daughter:

I believe he was born in the wrong body… no one would know he’s a boy unless they pulled his pants down.

If you are, however, really looking for something to boycott or protest against, there is a website Honestgirlscouts.com which describes itself as a group “concerned with the alarming choices GSUSA has been making,” and “advocating for a change back to simply building girls of good character.” They even offer a downloadable cookie boycott flyer that wrongly suggests that revenue from the cookie sales support abortion and “LGBT agendas.”

People who support the Girl Scouts decision and are pleased with the inclusion are calling for a cookie BUYcott and I agree! Spread the word and buy as many boxes as you can afford!



About katied

Katie is a Child & Family Therapist who works with children who have experienced trauma or abuse. She currently resides in beautiful British Columbia, Canada.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    I love Girl Scout cookies. I buy them every time they come to my door. 

    “How dare the Girl Scouts show far more compassion, respect, and enlightenment than I have been taught to show!”

    Taylor is a sad example of hatred indoctrination masquerading as “morality.” I hope some day she grows out of it.  She’ll have some amends to make.   Since this video will last longer than her lifetime, she’ll have to make some other videos repudiating it.

  • http://twitter.com/0xabad1dea Melissa E

    How pathetically hateful, but at her age I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is a victim of religious indoctrination. Been there, done that…

    A few years ago, I was not really aware of how much transphobia there was and how difficult life can be for trans individuals. I started paying attention, and WOW.

    The whole concept of segregated boys and girls clubs bothers me, but kudos to any group that officially acknowledges gender identity rights.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBNPRAX3ZQKUBJF3XAG3WLI4A Tracy

      I’ll second that.  When I was in Girl Scouts, I saw the Boy Scouts getting to do things like hiking, kayaking, skiing, and large community projects like building a foot bridge.  We, on the other hand, were doing things like baking, sewing and needlepoint, none of which I enjoyed.  The gender stereotyping was terrible.  I would prefer boys and girls learning to both bake and use power tools together.

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        Girl Scout activities largely depend on the particular troop leader and parents. I would hope there aren’t many troops these days who focus on baking, sewing, and needlepoint, but you never know! My troop didn’t do any of that. We went on lots of field trips and worked on our badges and other projects.

        Incidentally, 4-H and Camp Fire USA are both coed.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, when I was a kid, the subject of becoming a girl scout came up. I knew that if I was going to be a scout, I wanted to be a Boy Scout and learn to make fire, tie ropes, climb trees etc. The local group where I was (in progressive San Francisco no less) was about cooking, visiting the elderly etc. Nothing against those activities (I loved cooking) but I wanted to go camping and make tree-houses. As a child I was of course utterly unaware of the anti-atheist homophobic bent of the organization (or that anti-atheist bigotry and homophobia even existed, for that matter).

        • Sulris Campbell

          my sisters always came with me to boy scouts stuff when camping climbing and rope tying etc.  they got to do all the fun activities but never had to wear the stupid uniforms. (i hated being told what to wear).  they also did girl scouts and indian princesses.  so they got to run the whole gammit of activities.  the parents in our groups didnt really care who came to what.  pretty much any child that showed up got to participate in whatever was going on.

      • Adviser Moppet

        As a former Girl Scout myself I can say that the gender stereotyping was true for my troop. I loved the scouts but just doing the arts and crafts stuff all the time really got on my nerves. I love the cookies but when I was a scout I really wanted to do all the stuff that the other girls were doing on the box. Hiking, rope climbing, biking and the like.

        • Erp

          It is finding the right troop with leaders willing to do the outdoor stuff.  As a Girl Scout, I hiked, backpacked, canoed, caved, and camped.  We also traveled to Washington, DC and to England (from New Jersey).  

      • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

        That is the fault of the girls and parents involved. Scouting is what you make it. I was a Girl Scout from age 7 to age 22 (from 1966 to 1981), from Brownie (Daisies had not yet been created) through Junior, Cadette, Senior Scout, and finally Gold, and I did almost no sewing or cooking. I did, however, do a LOT of camping, canoeing, hiking, horseback riding, and community service. It was Scouting that taught me that girls can do anything.

  • Sami Hawkins

    It’s pathetic enough when the bigots claim theirs an epidemic of men throwing on dresses and claiming to be transgender so they can peek at you in the bathroom, even though that would require spending hundreds in medical bills and fooling a trained psychologist into giving you a bathroom letter, now they’re claiming transgender CHILDREN are dangerous perverts?

    On a related note I’m not gonna be suprised when most of the articles about this story are swamped by people claiming transgender children don’t exist and that the child’s mother is somehow forcing them to do this.

  • Anonymous

    To paraphrase different parts of the site “boys are dangerous” and “lesbianism is bad”.  Wait, what?

    • Anonymous

      Clearly they are “abstinence only”

    • monyNH

      This is purely anecdotal, but I thought it funny in light of the “lesbianism is bad” message…

      A close friend was a Girl Scout counselor in a couple of different summer camps throughout high school and college and, according to her, hook-ups between the (female) counselors was fairly common.   ;)

  • Nathan

    There was an effort under way to find the ‘boy’ in question and set up a way for everyone to buy loads of cookies from her. Anyone know that’s going?

    I’ll buy a stack – especially if someone can post them to NZ

    • Anonymous

      I like the sentiment, but I wonder if it’s a safe idea. There are a lot of jerks out there, and unless she or her family says otherwise, perhaps it would be best to minimize any information about her online.

    • Drew M.

      Last I heard, she hasn’t joined yet. I’m not sure if the hateful backlash has given her mom second thoughts.

    • Rosemary

      It would be more humane to keep her privacy intact.  There is a good reason for to remain “just one of the girls” .  Leave her alone.  Contribute to the cause in some other way.

      • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

        I think we can best serve the cause by supporting Girl Scouting in general, not just this one girl or troop. Today, I, too, have never have been prouder to be a Girl Scout. (From 1966 to 1981, Little Cloud Council–now part of Girl Scouts of Eastern Iowa and Western Illinois)

  • Anonymous

    While I am certain no harm was intended by any means, please be aware “transgendered” (the verb) is considered offensive — it should just be “transgender” (the adjective).

    • Anonymous

      That’s very specific, is there any specific reason why?

      • Anonymous

        “transgendered”, as a verb, implies that being trans* is something that /happened/ to a person, rather than something that just is. Other identity and descriptive terms (e.g. “gay”, “queer”, “(person of) colour”) are all adjectives. Transgender shouldn’t be any different.

        • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

          Transgendered isn’t a verb. It’s an adjective, like (as noted) “gifted” or  “talented” are. Adding “-ed” is a common way to make some nouns, like “gift,” “talent,” or “transgender” into an adjective. Transgendered is never used as a verb. Making the distinction you are making is silly and divisive, in addition to just plain wrong.

          BTW, “of color” is just another silly distinction which resulted from trying to avoid saying “colored.” Neither “colored” nor “of color” make any sense either. Just say what color, or national origin, or ethnicity someone is, FFS!

          • Adriane Fox

             But transgender already /is/ an adjective and /cannot/ be a verb. Many trans people (including myself) *will* tell you it is potentially offensive and would prefer that you use transgender.

            Is it nitpicky? Yes. Is it silly and divisive? No. Telling a trans person “you’re wrong” about a *trans issue* /is/ divisive.

    • Heidi

      Did somebody use it that way? (I’m mostly skimming right now.)  I’m having trouble seeing “transgendered” as a verb. It seems like an adjective to me, similar to “gifted” or “talented.”

      • TheBlackCat

        It looks like so far only I_Claudia has (according to Ctrl+f).

  • Annie

    I hope that the silver lining to this is that Taylor, and other girls who share her narrow views, will see that what they have been taught all these years is limiting, exclusive, and not examples of  “loving thy neighbor”.  I also hope they learn not to fear anyone who may be different from them.  Hatred is the greatest captor.

  • Austin

    I love these cookies, the best are the peanut butter ones and the shortbread. Now the Boy Scout popcorn on the other hand sucks. When I was in scouts I never tried to sell it since noone would buy it anyway.

    • Anonymous

      Well, that’s just simply wrong. Everyone knows Samoas are the best!

      • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

        Nope. Tagalogs. No doubt about it.

  • https://www.facebook.com/GentleGiantDK GentleGiant

    A copy of the original video has been uploaded by others, so it’s available on YouTube, even though the original has been made private. Just do a search for “Boycott Girl Scout cookies” and it should be easy to find.
    There seems to have been a huge flood of opposition videos uploaded as a response to the video.

  • http://twitter.com/WCLPeter Rob U

    Oooh, I just love Girl Guides of Canada cookies, I buy a full case every year twice a year!  Although I will admit I like the minty ones much better than the plain chocolate and vanilla ones. :-D

  • http://timbrannan.blogspot.com/ Timothy Brannan

    I had already decided to buy more Girl Scout cookies after hearing this.  

  • Erp

    I’m a thin mint person myself.   Much of the  cookie profits  go to the council to maintain council wide benefits such as Scout camps, insurance for leaders and girls at Scout events (something individual troops would find prohibitive), council wide scout events, and helping impoverished girls participate (a very poor girl might not otherwise be able to come up with the $12/year to join [this goes to the national organization for national programs and support] or support to go on activities).   People tend to consider the council does nothing when complaining about the percentage of the profits that go to the council (and often ignore the cost it takes to produce the cookies).

    I should point out that the local troop initially turned away the girl and the council overrode though I’m not sure she joined the initial troop or another troop.  

  • Timothy Alexander

    I have six boxes ordered, and when they do the stands by the stores I will buy more.

  • http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

    I like the idea of having a downloadable flyer for a boycott. Atheists should have one for boycotting Boy Scouts who sell Christmas trees. 

  • M G

    Never been prouder to say I’m a Girl Scout.  I spent 9 years in GSA and it helped me become the person I am today–a critical thinker, open-minded, and believer in being KIND to people, not hateful and mean.  All of which would be another reason for certain types to boycott, I guess…

  • butters

    the video is still available here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD41W5mIWmY

  • Anonymous

    Apparently the video first got attention when it was promoted by a site called “Honest Girl Scouts” who are, in a word, nutjobs.

    They want to warn the world not only about the dangers of transgender children (revolting, all by itself), but also they want GSA to end all sex education, and believe the organization is on a crusade to promote abortions and turn all girl scouts into lesbians (which, if not for the fact it’s physically impossible, would really cut down on the abortions).

  • Siobhan Duffey

    I usually feel a bit guilty about my Girl Scout Cookies (but don’t actually abstain, because Tagalongs) on account of the fact that it’s actually a rather pathetic scam. The troops make about $0.10 on the $4 box. That and the fact that kids are usually no longer allowed to sell door to door and it’s mostly just parents selling them at work, and I’ve been feeling a bit icky about the whole thing.

    But never mind now! Guilt-free Tagalongs for me.

    • Erp

      As I mentioned elsewhere the cookie sales are the big fundraiser for the local council which uses that money plus donations to buy and maintain the council camps, buy insurance for troop and council events, and support poorer scouts (e.g., camp scholarships so poor girls can go to summer camp).    The girls still benefit.  Around here the girls are often selling at the local farmers markets.

    • Ecal

      This is incorrect information.  Girl Scout troops make $.60 a box and add another $0.20/box for recognition and Girl Scout bucks.  If a troop of 15 girls sell 1,000 that’s $600 profit for the troop.

  • butters

    it’s very heartening to see how many video responses to the contrary this video got on youtube, but there will always be close minded, hateful Christians who will agree, such as non-thinker @dACTS:twitter  on twitter, who wrote. “I’m with Taylor: No Girl Scout cookies for me. I’m against that madness of parents identifying their kids. God made you uniquely different” Don’t you just love how Christians are always contradicting themselves.

  • Anonymous

    just write them a check and skip the cookies. nobody needs that much sugar and fat. good job CO scouts. 

    • T-Rex

      Speak for yourself.

      • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

        Yeah, I like the cookies too!

  • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

    First off, hooray for the Colorado troop! Considering the Girl Scouts has a fairly strong religious mainstay (check out Wikipedia for some little tidbits on Girl Scout values), this inclusion makes me slightly more optimistic about the organization’s future)

    I’m curious, what made you pessimistic about the organization’s future? The Girl Scouts are not connected to the Boy Scouts, whose anti-gay, anti-atheist policies are well-known and routinely enforced. Aside from the existence of “serve God” in the Promise, there’s nothing overtly religious about the Girl Scouts. Atheist girls are officially allowed to replace “God” with any word their “spiritual beliefs dictate.” While I have heard of a few rogue troops getting in trouble for discrimination, that discrimination has never been supported on the national level. On the contrary, the GSA is quite progressive on sexuality and gender issues (they support Planned Parenthood, for one) and religious issues, and that has sparked a backlash from religious conservatives who have set up explicitly Christian scouting groups as an alternative.

    • Erp

      To be exact they don’t support Planned Parenthood but they usually see nothing wrong with them.   The GSUSA has often been the target of conservatives (during the McCarthy era an American Legion unit went after them as unAmerican) and it is telling that their national headquarters is New York City (the Boy Scouts’ is in Texas).     They elected an African-American as national president (1975) while the Boy Scouts had just ended official discrimination in many troops against blacks (1974 when the Latter Day Saints officially discontinued the practice in their troops of prohibiting blacks from holding senior leadership positions).

      There is an historical connection to the Boy Scouts in that the Scouting/Guiding movement was started by the same person, Robert Baden-Powell though relations in the US between the two groups have sometimes been tense.  Early on the Boy Scouts tried to force the Girl Scouts to drop ‘Scouts’ but eventually backed down (the Girl Scouts had powerful allies in Baden-Powell himself and their national president was Lou Henry Hoover [wife of Herbert Hoover though he was only Secretary of Commerce at that time]).  Some founders of the Boy Scouts in the US set up Campfire Girls as an alternative to Girl Scouts (an organization that has gone in some ways further than both in that it is now co-ed, accepting of gays/lesbians, and moderate in religious requirements [though still some iffy points]). 

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        Good info, although Baden-Powell didn’t found the Girl Scouts of America. That was Juliette Gordon Low. However, Low did meet Baden-Powell who introduced her to the British Girl Guiding movement.

        About Planned Parenthood, the connection is touted all over the right-wing blogosphere, but I’ve been trying to figure out whether it’s real or imagined. I did find this, which seems to suggest that one particular rumor isn’t true:

        http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/Girl-Scouts-UN.htm

        However, right-wingers are convinced that some local councils have partnered with Planned Parenthood and used their sex education program. Allegations are here, although I would take many of them with a grain of salt:

        http://www.honestgirlscouts.com/discover_pp_history.html  

      • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

        Baden-Powell did not found Girl Scouting, Juliette Low did. 

        • Erp

          Baden-Powell founded the Scouting/Guiding movement and Juliette Low who was a good friend took the ideas back to the US in 1912.   Btw she initially called them Girl Guides (same as the British organization) but changed it to Girl Scouts very shortly after.  Note I’m talking about the history of the worldwide movement not just of the US part of it.

          One could say that the girl part of the movement started with the intrepid girls who showed up in uniform at the Crystal Palace rally in 1909 (meant for _boy_ scouts) and announced to Baden-Powell that they were girl scouts (Baden-Powell scrambled to set up a separate organization for these determined young women).    There is some evidence that some girls in the US did the same (take the ideas from scouting and practicing them) before or at the same time as Daisy was setting up her troop in Savannah. 

    • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

      This was my question, because even the link provided for the Wikipedia article makes it clear that GSUSA is a completely SECULAR organization. My atheist niece does not just substitute, but completely drops the “God” reference (“to serve God and my country” becomes “to serve my country”) in the promise, and this is supported by the national organization and always has been. GSUSA has never been overtly religious. EVER.

  • Ottomaniac

    You know, I made it through twelve years of public school, and I can tell you that it’s not the sexually confused that ever made me feel unsafe at school.  Matt Groening, somewhere in his Life is Hell comics, wrote that the cruelest thing in the world is a roving gang of fourth-grade girls (with an illustration of one such gang chanting, “Cry, Debbie, cry!”) and I’m inclined to agree.  Pre-pubescent and pubescent girls have an almost limitless power to be cruel, nasty, and hideously abusive to each other.  Girls who stand out from the crowd become bitches, whores, sluts, dykes, and worse, even when they haven’t hit puberty yet and are only sort of vaguely aware what a dyke even is.  They are punished, taunted, and hounded by their peers; it’s only the worst cases we see ending up in the news, like Phoebe Prince.  (I’ve no idea about how boys treat each other, not having been one.) 

    Girl Scouts doesn’t create a safe space because it excludes anyone with a dick; it creates safety by attempting to teach girls that there are ways to interact with each other that don’t involve shaming the different because you’re afraid otherwise you’ll end up at the bottom of the pecking order.  Way to show you didn’t deserve those badges, Taylor.  The message apparently didn’t take.

    Cry, Debbie, cry!

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      (I’ve no idea about how boys treat each other, not having been one.)

      It’s similar, with the addition of fists and feet.   

    • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

      I could not have said it better. You are SO right on the mark.

  • Bonnie Taylor

    How on earth can a child that young even have a gender identity? I mean, when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been channeled into “being transgender” as a boy, I’d have been incredibly confused when puberty hit and all I could think about was boys! I’m the kid in the grade-school photos sitting in the front row with all the boys and you’d be hard pressed to pick me out as the girl in that row. But when I grew up I became female-oriented. I am still a tomboy but I’m all woman. Telling a little boy that he can “be” a girl is just a little off to me. Let him get some more hormones activated in his system before he gives up on his maleness.

    • Anonymous

      From what I understand, it’s more than just being a “tomboy” or a feminine male.  These are kids who identify as being the opposite gender not just in what they like to do, but in how they feel inside.  My son was friends with a little girl in preschool who would tell us she was a boy.  Her parents said she had always identified as a boy.  She was 3 when I met her.  She wore her older brother’s hand-me-downs and turned her nose up at the dresses her mom bought.  She played sports. She liked to play super heroes with the boys while the girls were playing princess.  But more importantly, she said she was a boy.  She’d even correct adults who referred to her as a girl.  We moved away, and then visited when the kids were 6.  She was still insisting she was a boy.  The group of friends was a mixed gender group so it wasn’t because her only friends were boys.  She felt like a boy and is lucky to have parents who allow her to be who she wants to be.  Even her friends accept her this way.  They even went so far as to make an exception for her on a note on a bedroom door that banned girls from the room. 

      • Bonnie Taylor

        Thanks for the reply. That gives me a little more perspective.

        When I was a little girl I didn’t want to be a Girl Scout but I would’ve loved to have done a lot of the things the Boy Scouts did.

        So maybe we need to get past the all-boy Scouts and all-girl Scouts and move on to just Scouts. They could pursue whichever activities, badges, and friendships they wanted to regardless of gender or gender identity!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPPWVLMFKJ7QCHLEVQAR5GSL5M momma J

          The problem with this and other ideas being discussed on this thread is long-term camping issues and showering. Ha ha! Despite my moniker I am a dude. I was Boy Scout and still volunteer my time with them. 

          If kids are doing long-term camping 5+ days and nights then usually it is done at a long term campsite where the shower facilities are a uhm…open air lets say. At least at the campsites I’m used to. Or lets say that your troop goes on a 3 day, two night hike. If a physical girl who claims to be a boy decides to want to be a Boy Scout that’s cool, but I who would she tent with? NO WAY would I let a person who appears to be a girl on the outside tent with a hormone-flushed teenage boy. On NO level could that be deemed appropriate. So, that’s going to bring up a lot of talk. Talk is okay, but knowing high schoolers (I teach them) that talk can quickly become redicule even after talking about tolerance. 

          So…that person would have to tent by themselves and shower…I don’t know how. The problem with hiking is you have to carry your own junk. I can’t think of too many females that are accustomed to carrying their own 50lb pack on their back. Remember, because of the extra tent they wouldn’t be able to trade the tent to their tent mate on day 2 (which how we would normally do it. She would have to have the tent and the ground tarp, plus her/his normal gear as well. I don’t think that would happen. So by all means let them in, but I think it’s going to do more damage to the person than good. Can you imagine how much psychological damage is going to be done by the group of girls? To me, at this age developmentally, there is just too much going on already. And now they are going to try and join an organization in hopes to gain some acceptance from that group. Even if the Girl Scouts accepts them, I’m doubting the girls will. Thus leading to more confusion and hurt in the long run.

          It sounds like to me that the parents in this case are trying to help their child fight for a cause rather than taking a step back and deciding what is best for the child. Regardless of the child wants or how badly they want it, parents still have to parent and protect their child. It doesn’t sound like this is happening very well in this scenario. I’m okay with inclusion, but I’m telling you, I don’t think it’s going to end as a positive experience in the long run.

          • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

            NO WAY would I let a person who appears to be a girl on the outside tent with a hormone-flushed teenage boy.

            I suppose there are no gay people in your troops.

          • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

            Also…

            can’t think of too many females that are accustomed to carrying their own 50lb pack on their back.

            I can’t think of too many males that are accustomed to doing so. That doesn’t mean they can’t. (Actually, I know plenty of women who routinely carry their own 20 pound children on their backs along with their groceries and a diaper bag. That’s got to add up to close to 50 pounds when all is said and done.) Habitual hikers, male or female, are able to do this. This is not a gender issue, it’s a habit and lifestyle issue.

            • Anonymous

              I’m one of these women!  I’ve carried my kids on my back for years.  The kid goes on the back, the backpack with all our supplies goes on my front and I’m a pack mule!  LOL  Add to that the toddler who is moving and leaning and pulling you over from time to time.  I’m not saying a 40-50 lb load is easy for me long term (like 2-3 day hikes), but it’s doable.  If you’re accustomed to it, it’s not a big deal.

              • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

                For months I walked around declaring loudly to my sister (whose children I watched during the day) “I carried your baby for NINE MONTHS for you!”

                Then the “baby” hit two years and it wasn’t as funny anymore. Just didn’t have the same ring :)

          • Tingilyae

            That’s some sexist, ableist crap right there.

            I’m from Sweden, and I’ve been a Scout since age 11. In Sweden, we have
            Scouts; not Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts and Girl Guides. Activities are
            shared, and everyone takes part to the best of their ability regardless
            of gender, sex or disabilities. If someone is better able to perform a
            certain task, they’ll help their comrades: that’s why the patrol system
            exists in the first place – not everyone are (or should be expected to
            be) perfect at everything! Believe it or not, there are also boys who
            aren’t up to the task of carrying a 50 lb pack during a 2-3-night hike.
            Should we start testing prospective scouts in terms of physical strength
            before allowing them in our groups now? What about inclusion of
            differently abled Scouts, should they not be allowed to participate in
            hikes and camps because they’re unable to carry their weight? How is
            that in line with the goals of the movement?

            If a girl (or a boy for that matter) hears all her life that she’ll
            never be able to carry her own
            50 lb back pack during a 3-night hike, why would she work towards it?
            And if she can’t do it, why should she be excluded from participating?
            During an 11-day hike a few years ago, I developed tendinitis in my
            Achilles tendon the second last day. I could not carry my own back pack
            (about 40 lb). The solution to this was shuffling stuff around to
            relieve my burden, not to leave me by the roadside.

            Included in sharing activities is also sharing sleeping facilities.
            During my entire Scout life, which is far from over, I’ve always shared
            tents and shelters with the opposite sex. Yes, including the age where
            “developmentally, there is just too much going on already”. Amazingly,
            if “hormone-flushed teenage boy[s]” are expected to treat their female
            friends with respect, and held responsible if they don’t, these things
            work perfectly fine. Respect really is the key word. The “damage” that
            might be done to the girl wanting to join Boy Scouts would stem from
            unwelcoming attitudes, not the activities themselves, with that kind of
            seperate but equal thing you seem to be proposing. And if the leader has
            such an attitude, what then can be expected of the Scouts??

            Same with the girl accepted in the Colorado group here. The leaders seem
            to be accepting of her for who she is, and I’m certain this will rub
            off on the other kids too. Maybe not immediately, but as long as the
            leaders won’t tolerate any bullshit attitudes towards her, things will
            settle down. The problem doesn’t lie with her or her parents, but the
            way that society views the abilities and potential of boys and girls.

            Personally, I’d advocate mixed groups. It’s never too early, or too
            late, to start learning to respect your fellow humans. Regardless of
            what happens to be between their legs.

            • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

              You are awesome!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPPWVLMFKJ7QCHLEVQAR5GSL5M momma J

          The problem with this and other ideas being discussed on this thread is long-term camping issues and showering. Ha ha! Despite my moniker I am a dude. I was Boy Scout and still volunteer my time with them. 

          If kids are doing long-term camping 5+ days and nights then usually it is done at a long term campsite where the shower facilities are a uhm…open air lets say. At least at the campsites I’m used to. Or lets say that your troop goes on a 3 day, two night hike. If a physical girl who claims to be a boy decides to want to be a Boy Scout that’s cool, but I who would she tent with? NO WAY would I let a person who appears to be a girl on the outside tent with a hormone-flushed teenage boy. On NO level could that be deemed appropriate. So, that’s going to bring up a lot of talk. Talk is okay, but knowing high schoolers (I teach them) that talk can quickly become redicule even after talking about tolerance. 

          So…that person would have to tent by themselves and shower…I don’t know how. The problem with hiking is you have to carry your own junk. I can’t think of too many females that are accustomed to carrying their own 50lb pack on their back. Remember, because of the extra tent they wouldn’t be able to trade the tent to their tent mate on day 2 (which how we would normally do it. She would have to have the tent and the ground tarp, plus her/his normal gear as well. I don’t think that would happen. So by all means let them in, but I think it’s going to do more damage to the person than good. Can you imagine how much psychological damage is going to be done by the group of girls? To me, at this age developmentally, there is just too much going on already. And now they are going to try and join an organization in hopes to gain some acceptance from that group. Even if the Girl Scouts accepts them, I’m doubting the girls will. Thus leading to more confusion and hurt in the long run.

          It sounds like to me that the parents in this case are trying to help their child fight for a cause rather than taking a step back and deciding what is best for the child. Regardless of the child wants or how badly they want it, parents still have to parent and protect their child. It doesn’t sound like this is happening very well in this scenario. I’m okay with inclusion, but I’m telling you, I don’t think it’s going to end as a positive experience in the long run.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPPWVLMFKJ7QCHLEVQAR5GSL5M momma J

          The problem with this and other ideas being discussed on this thread is long-term camping issues and showering. Ha ha! Despite my moniker I am a dude. I was Boy Scout and still volunteer my time with them. 

          If kids are doing long-term camping 5+ days and nights then usually it is done at a long term campsite where the shower facilities are a uhm…open air lets say. At least at the campsites I’m used to. Or lets say that your troop goes on a 3 day, two night hike. If a physical girl who claims to be a boy decides to want to be a Boy Scout that’s cool, but I who would she tent with? NO WAY would I let a person who appears to be a girl on the outside tent with a hormone-flushed teenage boy. On NO level could that be deemed appropriate. So, that’s going to bring up a lot of talk. Talk is okay, but knowing high schoolers (I teach them) that talk can quickly become redicule even after talking about tolerance. 

          So…that person would have to tent by themselves and shower…I don’t know how. The problem with hiking is you have to carry your own junk. I can’t think of too many females that are accustomed to carrying their own 50lb pack on their back. Remember, because of the extra tent they wouldn’t be able to trade the tent to their tent mate on day 2 (which how we would normally do it. She would have to have the tent and the ground tarp, plus her/his normal gear as well. I don’t think that would happen. So by all means let them in, but I think it’s going to do more damage to the person than good. Can you imagine how much psychological damage is going to be done by the group of girls? To me, at this age developmentally, there is just too much going on already. And now they are going to try and join an organization in hopes to gain some acceptance from that group. Even if the Girl Scouts accepts them, I’m doubting the girls will. Thus leading to more confusion and hurt in the long run.

          It sounds like to me that the parents in this case are trying to help their child fight for a cause rather than taking a step back and deciding what is best for the child. Regardless of the child wants or how badly they want it, parents still have to parent and protect their child. It doesn’t sound like this is happening very well in this scenario. I’m okay with inclusion, but I’m telling you, I don’t think it’s going to end as a positive experience in the long run.

        • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

          There are co-educational scouting organizations in the USA, such as Campfire USA. And the Scouts in other nations are often co-ed as well.

    • Anonymous

      when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been channeled into “being transgender” as a boy….

      Uhm, where are you getting this idea of being “channeled into” it?

      • Bonnie Taylor

        If, for example, my parents had suggested I become a “boy” scout.

        I realize transgender is considered a medical (or psychological) diagnosis but I’m still not sure it is best to choose to go all-out with it at such a young age. Why not have a transgender child participate in co-ed or gender neutral activities rather than make an issue of the boy/girl confusion they are experiencing? It just seems like a lot to put on a little kid.

        • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

          You are assuming again. What if becoming a Girl Scout was this kid’s idea? What if she pestered her parents even after they tried to steer her into Boy Scouts or away from scouting altogether (because they didn’t know about gender neutral organizations like Campfire USA or Spiral Scouts, or because there are no groups in their area for those)?

          • Bonnie Taylor

            What if…I just assume (again!) that parents aren’t supposed to always give their kids what they want? They are supposed to protect them, guide them, and help them. In this case I really don’t think the Girl Scouts is the best place for the child.

            • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

              You’re making the claim that in this case, giving this kid what she wants is NOT protecting her, guiding her, or helping her. Please show the evidence.

              I don’t see it as any different than letting your child pick his or her haircut.

    • Anonymous

      I can sort of understand where you would be confused because when transgendered children are described, it’s always noted how they like the stereotypical things of the other biological gender. Of course, these outward signs are a part of realizing a child is transgendered but aren’t actually the central point.

      Transgendered children say that they are the oposite gender. For a biological boy they’ll say that “I’m a boy”, insist on a male name, say that their body is a “mistake” at very young ages. The adoption of behavior typical of a girl (in this case) is probably a combination of biology (whatever is telling them they are female is driving them towards more female-typical behaviors) and an emotonal rejection towards behaviors typical of a gender they wish to reject. I’ve actually seen footage of a transgendered girl (I think around 7) who was a tomboy. That is to say she was biologically male, identified and lived as female, but wasn’t into dolls or dresses or anything like that.

      Diagnosis of transgendered children is not something parents just decide. Most parents (I should hope all) who have children with Gender Identity Disorder go through a “this is just a phase” and “well maybe they’re just gay” before going to medical professionals who carefully examine children so a proper diagnosis can be made. This is a medical issue and it is treated as such.

    • Rosemary

      Ronnie, we are talking about extremes here; far more than the “tomboy” phase that some girls go through and the “dress up” stage that some boys go through. 

      Many people occasionally hear voices that are not actually there.  There are a number of reasons for this, many of which have nothing to do with psychosis.  This does not mean that many people who hear voices are not psychotic.

      I’m a woman who has a lot of “mainly male” characteristics but never the less have a lot of “female” characteristics also.  I identify quite firmly as “female”.  I am very fortunate that my brain wiring is not so extreme that it has plummeted me into the profoundly distressing world of the tortured cross-gendered person.   Just because I am not gender confused, does not mean that these people do not exist.  In fact,  I’ve met several of them in the course of my professional career. 

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      How on earth can a child that young even have a gender identity?

      Gender identity starts as young as two or three years old. It would be very strange if a seven year old child did NOT have a gender identity.

      I mean, when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been
      channeled into “being transgender” as a boy, I’d have been incredibly
      confused when puberty hit and all I could think about was boys!

      1. There is a difference between being a girl who likes to do stereotypically “boy” things and have friends who are boys, and a child with girl parts who is really a male inside. For one thing, the girl who likes to do boy things will still want to use female pronouns and won’t tell people “No, I’m a boy”.

      2. There’s also a difference between gender identity and sexual orientation. A girl who likes girls is not a boy, she is gay. A boy who likes boys is also not a girl, he is gay. Many transgender individuals are gay – that is, they are attracted to the person of the same gender that they present – or bisexual.  Puberty would not have “confused” you in terms of your gender identity because gender identity and sexual orientation are totally different.

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      How on earth can a child that young even have a gender identity?

      Gender identity starts as young as two or three years old. It would be very strange if a seven year old child did NOT have a gender identity.

      I mean, when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been
      channeled into “being transgender” as a boy, I’d have been incredibly
      confused when puberty hit and all I could think about was boys!

      1. There is a difference between being a girl who likes to do stereotypically “boy” things and have friends who are boys, and a child with girl parts who is really a male inside. For one thing, the girl who likes to do boy things will still want to use female pronouns and won’t tell people “No, I’m a boy”.

      2. There’s also a difference between gender identity and sexual orientation. A girl who likes girls is not a boy, she is gay. A boy who likes boys is also not a girl, he is gay. Many transgender individuals are gay – that is, they are attracted to the person of the same gender that they present – or bisexual.  Puberty would not have “confused” you in terms of your gender identity because gender identity and sexual orientation are totally different.

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      How on earth can a child that young even have a gender identity?

      Gender identity starts as young as two or three years old. It would be very strange if a seven year old child did NOT have a gender identity.

      I mean, when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been
      channeled into “being transgender” as a boy, I’d have been incredibly
      confused when puberty hit and all I could think about was boys!

      1. There is a difference between being a girl who likes to do stereotypically “boy” things and have friends who are boys, and a child with girl parts who is really a male inside. For one thing, the girl who likes to do boy things will still want to use female pronouns and won’t tell people “No, I’m a boy”.

      2. There’s also a difference between gender identity and sexual orientation. A girl who likes girls is not a boy, she is gay. A boy who likes boys is also not a girl, he is gay. Many transgender individuals are gay – that is, they are attracted to the person of the same gender that they present – or bisexual.  Puberty would not have “confused” you in terms of your gender identity because gender identity and sexual orientation are totally different.

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      How on earth can a child that young even have a gender identity?

      Gender identity starts as young as two or three years old. It would be very strange if a seven year old child did NOT have a gender identity.

      I mean, when I was a kid I was a total tomboy and if I had been
      channeled into “being transgender” as a boy, I’d have been incredibly
      confused when puberty hit and all I could think about was boys!

      1. There is a difference between being a girl who likes to do stereotypically “boy” things and have friends who are boys, and a child with girl parts who is really a male inside. For one thing, the girl who likes to do boy things will still want to use female pronouns and won’t tell people “No, I’m a boy”.

      2. There’s also a difference between gender identity and sexual orientation. A girl who likes girls is not a boy, she is gay. A boy who likes boys is also not a girl, he is gay. Many transgender individuals are gay – that is, they are attracted to the person of the same gender that they present – or bisexual.  Puberty would not have “confused” you in terms of your gender identity because gender identity and sexual orientation are totally different.

  • Chris7690

    This is a complex situation to say the least. The reality of the situation is, the child in question is *not* a girl, regardless of what her mother “believes”. I would hate to see this child deprived of the positive life experiences that can be had in the scouts, but at the same time the GS has an obligation to up hold its rules for the sake of the other memebers. Overall i don’t think allowing the child in will do any harm, but only time will tell.

    I do think the mother should be brought up on charges for psychological neglect. If an individual feels that they should be an other gender that’s fine, but that individual is the only person who can make that decision. Your child is not a video game character you get to sit and be like, “I want it be a girl with blonde hair, blue eyes, and high dexterity.”
    This child will have to fight his/her whole life all because his/mother “believed” the wrong supernatural won the race.

    • Erp

      How do you know the child doesn’t consider themself to be a girl?  You are not there (nor am I) but the mother and presumably the child’s doctor are there and the doctor should have some obligation if he or she felt the child was being abused. 

    • Anonymous

      I do think the mother should be brought up on charges for psychological neglect. If an individual feels that they should be an other gender that’s fine, but that individual is the only person who can make that decision.

      To echo Erp….what makes you think the individual in this case isn’t the one who is making the decision?

      And what, praytell, would be the grounds for this “psychological neglect” charge you’d like to see laid against the mother?

    • Anonymous

      Where do you get the absurd idea that it was the parents who forced this idea on the child? Children express their gender identity pretty early and it’s definitely possible for them to know at an early age

    • Rosemary

      You are ignorant of the facts of transgenderism. 

      Gender identification can start quite early.  It is brain-based and not pushed by parents.  In fact, parents are often very reluctant to accept that a child of theirs with one set of genes identifies with the opposite genetic gender. 

      In any case, any parent who tried to force their child to become a gender that they were not is unlikely to produce a child who would make it through the many psychological tests that are required before a person is considered a suitable candidate for gender reassignment.  This is not a simple or easy process.

      The real damage comes from parents who try to force their children to be a gender that is not compatable with the one that is hard wired in their brain.  There is a famous case (at least to behavioral therapists) of a genetic boy whose penis was damaged at birth who was brought up as a girl.  He/she did not make it comfortably past puberty.  He (she) eventually committed suicide.

      Other cases include those where families have aggressively tried to bring up a child without a gender assignment.  This also profoundly damages the child.

      On the other hand, there are many people who are genetically male but have a genetic defect that prevents their bodies from responding to male hormones, so they grow up as girls.  Those with a partial (weak) response to the male hormone usually need surgery early in life to provide a good approximation to the opposite gender.  The resulting woman will feel and act like any other woman but will be sterile.  Jamie Lee Curtis is often used as an example, although there is some dispute about whether this is a myth.  Few people with the condition want to advertise it to the world.

      • Rosemary

        Something worth considering is that brain wiring for gender differences is frequently incomplete, with “normal” people ranging from 100 percent “typically” male or female to mostly “typical” characteristics of the opposite gender.  Any good education system will acknowledge and cater to this wide range.  Except for the presence of sex organs of a particular gender, and the hormones that these produce, there is a wide range in the “penetrance” of gender characteristics.  Some girls develop a good engineering brain and some boys develop a brain that is good at writing novels.

      • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

        I mean to reply to you, but the reply went in the wrong place:

        I read his book (about the boy whose penis was damaged in infancy). The “therapy” he was subjected to as a child to make
        him be a girl reads a lot more like sexual abuse to me. While it’s a
        tragic case all around, I’m not convinced that it was *just* the gender
        confusion* in his life that led to his suicide.

        (Also, worth
        noting, his penis was damaged in a botched circumcision, not at birth.
        IIRC, he wasn’t circumcized until several months after he was born.)

        *Obviously he wasn’t confused.

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        Other cases include those where families have aggressively tried to bring up a child without a gender assignment.  This also profoundly damages the child.

        I’m curious, I’ve read quite a bit about this topic and have never heard of any cases of parents bringing up a child without a gender assignment. I have heard of parents who refused to disclose the sex of their babies/toddlers, but I had not heard of cases persisting through childhood and into adulthood, let alone documented instances of psychological damage being done. If they exist, I would definitely be interested in reading about them. I’m fascinated by gender development, and I’m intrigued by the notion that some families may have tried to raise their boys or girls without identifying them as such. Could you point me to any particular books or articles?

        • Rosemary

          That could be a challenge as I don’t recall where I found the information.  But I’ll see if I can track it down.  I have a vague recollection that it was stuff I found while researching the genetics and womb environment of homosexuals.

          • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

            Thanks! If you find it, that would be great.

            The only cases I know of are Pop (in Sweden) and Storm (in Toronto). I’m interested in seeing what happens as they grow up. The parents in those cases are not revealing the sex to the outside world, but they’re not keeping  family members or the children themselves in the dark. I doubt that the parents are going to be able to continue it for long, certainly not after the children themselves are verbal, but it would definitely be interesting to do a follow-up 20 years from now.

            http://www.livescience.com/14323-genderless-baby-gender-anxiety.html

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      There is a famous case (at least to behavioral therapists) of a genetic
      boy whose penis was damaged at birth who was brought up as a girl. 
      He/she did not make it comfortably past puberty.  He (she) eventually
      committed suicide.

      I read his book. The “therapy” he was subjected to as a child to make him be a girl reads a lot more like sexual abuse to me. While it’s a tragic case all around, I’m not convinced that it was *just* the gender confusion in his life that led to his suicide.

      (Also, worth noting, his penis was damaged in a botched circumcision, not at birth. IIRC, he wasn’t circumcized until several months after he was born.)

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        In case anyone is curious, the title is As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl by John Colapinto. I’ve also read the book and watched a few documentaries on the case.

        http://www.amazon.com/As-Nature-Made-Him-Raised/dp/0060192119

        It’s a tragic story all around, as both David and his twin brother ended up committing suicide. I would say that the “therapy” (which was certainly sexual and emotional abuse) played a huge factor, but the experiment itself was the reason for the all the upheaval in their lives.

        I don’t think this particular case has much relevance to transgender children, since David had a (presumably) typical male brain at birth, and his sex reassignment was forced on him by parents and doctors, whereas typical transgender children display cross-gender interests early in their lives and self-identify as the opposite sex without prompting or encouragement from adults.

    • Sami Hawkins

      I do think the mother should be brought up on charges for psychological neglect. If an individual feels that they should be an other gender that’s fine, but that individual is the only person who can make that decision. Your child is not a video game character you get to sit and be like, “I want it be a girl with blonde hair, blue eyes, and high dexterity.”

      I think you should provide a single shred of evidence that this is actually what’s happening before you accuse an innocent woman of child neglect.

      This child will have to fight his/her whole life all because his/mother “believed” the wrong supernatural won the race.

      A. What mythology has a child’s sex being determined by a race between supernatural entities? Sounds like an interesting one.

      B. From personal experience I’d argue that one of the biggest problem she’s gonna have to deal with is people like you who refuse to accept that she knows what she’d like for her own body and insisting that she’s just confused or brainwashed or going through a phase or etc.

      I wish I’d been able to realize as a little boy why I constantly imagined life as a girl. If I’d started transitioning at 7 like this girl did I would have been saved over a decade of suicidal depression from struggling to be ‘normal’.

  • AutumnBrooke

    The first thing that came to mind when watching this video was that this girl seems to have forgotten the last line of the Law she promises to uphold as a Girl Scout, and that is  “to be a sister to every Girl Scout.”  For someone attempting to point out hypocrisy, she sure needs to look in the mirror. 

  • Byrneo

    I find it very difficult to accept that at the age of seven, a boy can decide that he is a girl and that his parents would facilitate this in a very literal sense.
    It’s long before puberty, long before he has the mental faculties to understand the consequences, implications and meaning of what he’s saying. 
    The idea that girls like pink and play with dolls and that boys like blue and play with guns is a pretty vacuous social construct of gender identity.
    Is it not highly probable that this “transgender” seven-year old will be sexually attracted to girls by adolescence? 

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

       I find it very difficult to accept that at the age of seven, a
      boy can decide that he is a girl and that his parents would facilitate
      this in a very literal sense.

      Why not? If this child had female parts, would you have trouble accepting that her parents bought her dresses and enrolled her in girl scouts? Is that not making the same choice?

      Whom does it harm if the kid joins girl scouts and wears dresses and calls herself a girl name? If, at 13 or 14 the kid says “Whoops, I was wrong, I’m really a boy”, well, no harm done. And if the kid continues to say “I’m a girl” through to adulthood, again – no harm done! Much harm, in fact, may have been avoided by loving and accepting her for who she is rather than trying to force her to change “for her best interests”.

      Is it not highly probable that this “transgender” seven-year old will be sexually attracted to girls by adolescence?

      You are conflating gender identity with sexual orientation. The one has nothing to do with the other.

  • Byrneo

    I find it very difficult to accept that at the age of seven, a boy can decide that he is a girl and that his parents would facilitate this in a very literal sense.
    It’s long before puberty, long before he has the mental faculties to understand the consequences, implications and meaning of what he’s saying. 
    The idea that girls like pink and play with dolls and that boys like blue and play with guns is a pretty vacuous social construct of gender identity.
    Is it not highly probable that this “transgender” seven-year old will be sexually attracted to girls by adolescence? 

    • Anonymous

      Read some actual medical stuff on gender identity. Or just some good popular articles. It manifests itself very early. And it’s not just behavior. Those kids really feel like they are the other gender and want to be addressed as such. It goes far beyond simply wanting to play with other toys or dress up a bit. Not everyone fully knows at a young age, but it’s easily possible.

      And in any case, any actions undertaken until then are easily reversible. After a psychiatric evaluation finds that they indeed have a gender identity disorder, they can be put on hormone blockers to delay puberty and prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics. If they should decide to change their mind, they can stop taking blockers and will develop “normally”. The alternative is that transition becomes far more difficult, especially for MTFs after they’ve already developed things like broad shoulders, more masculine facial features or facial hair.

      Here is some stuff:
      http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/index.html
      http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/29/health/gender-children/index.html
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062296/When-kids-said-I-boy-sad-Transgender-child-says-shes-happier-living-girl-born-male.html

    • Rosemary

      There are genetic changes in the brain made in utero.  There is a real testable physiological difference in these kids.

    • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

      You weren’t sure what gender you were before puberty? That’s pretty weird…

      It doesn’t matter what gender she ends up being attracted to at puberty; that’s sexual orientation. It has NOTHING WHAT-SO-EVER to do with this! What gender she psychologically IS, is what we’re talking about. That is gender identity. If she likes girls at puberty, she’s still psychologically a girl, just a LESBIAN  transgendered girl. I’m cisgendered, which means I’m psychologically the same gender I was physically born–female. But I’m attracted to females. That makes me lesbian, not male. Just as I am certain that I’m a woman, even though I like women, and do not feel like my body is wrong, she knows she’s a girl and her body IS wrong.

      Until you understand the difference between sexual orientation and gender identity, stay out of the discussion. I’ll wager you were sure what your gender were at age seven because you FELT yourself to be that gender. So is this child. She knows she’s a girl.

  • Anonymous

    Read some actual medical stuff on gender identity. Or just some good popular articles. It manifests itself very early. And it’s not just behavior. Those kids really feel like they are the other gender and want to be addressed as such. It goes far beyond simply wanting to play with other toys or dress up a bit. Not everyone fully knows at a young age, but it’s easily possible.

    And in any case, any actions undertaken until then are easily reversible. The parents will eventually take their child to a doctor who can determine if they are just gay or really transgender. After a psychiatric evaluation finds that they indeed have a gender identity disorder, they can be put on hormone blockers to delay puberty and prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics. If they should decide to change their mind, they can stop taking blockers and will develop “normally”. The alternative is that transition becomes far more difficult, especially for MTFs after they’ve already developed things like broad shoulders, more masculine facial features or facial hair.

    Here is some stuff:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/index.html
    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/29/health/gender-children/index.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062296/When-kids-said-I-boy-sad-Transgender-child-says-shes-happier-living-girl-born-male.html

  • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

    I already don’t buy girl scout cookies due to their continued use of palm oil (contrary to their stated values) and the fact that you can’t do an alternative fundraiser INSTEAD of the cookies – if you don’t do the cookies, you can’t do any fundraiser at all!

    But I’m willing to donate money directly to a local troop.

  • Kullervo

    A moral call to buy Girl Scout Cookies?!?!?! After all these years, a legitimate reason to question my atheism…. There may be a god who loves me….

  • Faerie Fey

    Better yet, forget girl or boy scouts, start up a campfire USA troop.  They’ve been inclusive of EVERYONE (boys and girls, and LGBT kids) for DECADES.  http://www.campfireusa.org/

  • http://www.quietatheist.com/ Slugsie

    [cheap shot]
    So, a GIRL scout wants to BOYcott something?
    [/cheap shot]

    I’ll get my coat.

  • “BOY” Cott Girl Scout cookies

    I think this is funny that you all are calling this boy a her or a she. You wouldn’t know it’s a boy, unless you pulled his pants down… Hahahaha, that’s too funny. That’s a dead give away. Just because a boy has a feminine side, doesn’t mean HE has to be a girl. Boys were created to be boys and girls created to be girls. This sick homo-rich society is ruining our kids. How is procreation supposed to happen with a boy and boy pretending to be a girl? It just can’t happen…!

    • http://conuly.livejournal.com/ Uly

      Hahahaha, that’s too funny.

      Sexually assaulting a small child is funny?

      How is procreation supposed to happen with a boy and boy pretending to be a girl?

      Seven year olds can’t procreate anyway. I fail to see your point.

  • http://twitter.com/spookiewon Pjay (Patti) Pender

    You are unfair in stating that GSUSA “has a fairly strong religious mainstay.” Both the national organization and her local troop made it clear my niece and her parents that not only does GSUSA NOT support any particular religion, they fully support girls of no religious belief, including those like my niece, who identify as atheist. GSUSA proudly identifies itself as a “fully secular organization.” Check your own Wikipedia reference and GSUSA’s own website. There is no “religious mainstay” in the Girl Scout organization. Please be honest in what you write, rather than give backhanded compliments like this article, which implies that this inclusiveness is unusual for GSUSA. IT IS NOT.


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