Religious Exemptions Are OK, You Say?

(In response to this post.)

About M J Shepherd

Matthew graduated Louisiana State University in 2009 with a BA in studio art and a minor in art history. He has been drawing cartoons and comics online for several years.

  • george.w

    Also has serious implications for people who are philosophically against war. Why is that less important than “I was raised with a myth about an invisible deity who taught me to be against war”?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTBMQYMFVZMKNCXIMISICQ3Z6E Anonymous

      or, if I’m philosophically opposed to people overeating and becoming obese… can I then decide that I won’t sell them their diabetes products, instead demanding that they use a “natural” method… like controlling their DESIRES for junk food? no, I can only decide what healthcare people get if it’s a RELIGIOUS reason… I can only demand that they use a “natural” method … like controlling their DESIRES for sex by crossing their legs and saying no. Such a ridiculous system.

  • http://freethoughtblogs.com/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

    What I think is often forgotten is that vaccine requirements only matter for those attending public school anyway. The requirements are all in terms of “before your kid starts kindergarten she must have had x, y, and z vaccines.” If you homeschool . . . no requirements at all. I grew up with kids who never had a vaccine in their life, even with kids who had no social security numbers (home births). Homeschooling creates a huge loophole. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

       A scary loop hole. Those poor kids.

      • Erwin Alber

        I feel sorry for newborns who are injected with the hep B shot for no reason other than to make money for the vax mafia and for children whose parents comply with the government-promoted vaccine child poisoning schedule.  It’s no fun being repeatedly injected with neurotoxic, allergenic and carcinogenic substances until one’s health and brain is messed up and one becomes autistic or suffers some other vaccine-induced health or mental disorder.  

    • Erwin Alber

      How wonderful Libby Anne!  I say f**k vaccination and f**k  the state! 

  • Trevor

    This is probably beside the point, but I don’t think the stoics would have had any objection to vaccines. 

    • Ross

      That bothered me a bit, too.  Quit picking on the stoics!

    • M J Shepherd

       It’s related: some people will say anything to get out of vaccinating.

      • Erwin Alber

         Who can blame them? I mean who in their right mind would want to be injected with this toxic crap? I certainly don’t. I had me last tetanus booster over 40 years ago and I’m not planning to have another one. They can do a catch-up number after I die for all I care.  

        • M J Shepherd

          And thanks for proving my point!

          • phantomreader42

             Has there ever been a single antivax nut who was capable of comprehending the concept of dose-response?  Or, for that matter, of comprehending ANYTHING?

            • Erwin Alber

               To you and MJ Shepherd:

              “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.”

              Dr Herbert Shelton, USA

               To me,  that says it all.

              • phantomreader42

                 Either Erwin Alber is a delusional, insane liar, or Dr Herbert Shelton and Erwin Alber are BOTH delusional and insane. 

                Immunization actually happens in the actual real world!  If the only way you can prop up your idiocy is to pretend otherwise, then you’re too fucking stupid and dishonest to be worthy of any response other than ridicule and derision. 

              • M J Shepherd

                Delicious fallacy. Also, the irony.

    • Erwin Alber

       That’s why the government would like us all to be stoics, respectively zombies who let themselves and their children be injected with any toxic crap it recommends. 

  • Aaron Scoggin

    If you’re philosophically opposed to getting vaccinated, then you must be realistically barred from entering the school system. If you are religiously opposed to abortions, then here’s an idea – Don’t have one. The solutions are usually very simple, but for some reason, people love to make it complicated.

    • Erwin Alber

       What’s wrong with you? If children are vaccinated, aren’t they supposedly protected against diseases? So, why would an unvaccinated child be a threat? 

      The truth is of course that vaccination is a dangerous fraud .

      “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.” 
      Dr Herbert Shelton, USA

      • phantomreader42

         Either Erwin Alber is a lying sack of shit, or Dr Herbert Shelton is. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erwin-Alber/548856074 Erwin Alber

          Neither of us are what you say. Your problem is that you are blinded by junk science, or a pharma shill.

          • phantomreader42

            Ah, yes, the Shill Gambit! Erwin Alber’s irrevocable admission that he’s a delusional lying sack of shit, and every word out of his mouth is worthless.

            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit

            Now go fuck yourself, brain-dead fraud, and quit babbling nonsense on dead threads in a desperate attempt to hide from criticism.

      • phantomreader42

        No, the truth is that Herbert Shelton was a dangerous fraud, jailed for practicing medicine without a license. A lying lunatic just like you, Erwin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORRVVC5R2QWLTXEM6SX5L6BORE Jay Arrrr

    I was just thinking how the anti-vaxers and the anti-birth control crowd are actually working together. If nobody gets vaccinated anymore because they like Jenny McCarthy better than some boring science geek, women will have to have 8-9-10 children just to get 2 to adulthood.

    • Anonymous

      Only if this nonsense is really widespread. People still benefit from herd immunity. If a large enough part of the population is vaccinated, diseases spread far less easily

      • Erwin Alber

         That’s what the criminals who profit from the vaccination racket tell us. It’s not true. Vaccines have never prevented anything, apart from health, sanity and common sense.

        • phantomreader42

          Ever heard of polio or smallpox?  Or were those just vast conspiracies planted by the underpants gnomes? 

          Antivaxers are delusional sociopathic nutcases who worship their own willful ignorance.  Much like creationists.

          • 3lemenope

            What I don’t understand about anti-vaxxers is that they drive cars. I’d think such an activity would be far too dangerous seeming for people who find bad vaccine reactions a good enough reason to forgo protection.

            EDIT: I just realized that Mr. Alber has drawn me onto a necrothread. Sorry about that.

            • phantomreader42

              They whine so piteously about mercury in vaccines (which isn’t actually there anymore), when there’s vast amounts more mercury in fish and you never hear a peep out of them about it. They also never seem to be able to comprehend the concept of dose-response.

  • Anonymous

    i simply think its time people stop having kids. i know this will never happen in the USA because the religious white folks want not to lose the majority of white christians, fearing the “brown” muslim folk, mexican folk, latino folks, (etc) taking over.

    • http://www.facebook.com/LucyM121 Lucy Merriman

      Um, also because parenting is fulfilling? I mean, are you a parent? Some people want to have that bond one can only have with their child, and they’re excited by the possibility of shaping a young mind and watching how someone grows and changes.  There are many, many great reasons to be a parent if you want to, none of them the least bit racist. 

  • Bevidence

    Back in the 1960s, none of us were vaccinated except for polio and whooping cough.  We all came down with measles mumps chickenpox & rubella.  I don’t know if it is better for kids to be vaccinated or not.  Now they give a bunch more vaccines then that (i.e., hepatitis – which is a blood born or sexually transmitted disease).  Although I did vaccinate my own kids, the dr. said that for a child to go through the actual disease gives them a strong immunity to them that a female can pass onto her child through breastmilk.  If mom was vaccinated, the immunity is not passed on through breast milk (per that dr.)  Idk.

    • Doctor Thought

       I am a doctor, and I no longer recommend that parents get the full suite of vaccines. Increasingly, the newer vaccines are not for life-threatening disease, but for “diseases of inconvenience.” I have yet to see any research that satisfies my question of whether the children would benefit more by actual exposure.

      Furthermore, as we already know in the case of varicella, the vaccine does not confer a lifelong immunity, and thus we are creating a pool of adults who will be susceptible to this disease when the consequences are much worse.

      I am not anti-vaccine. I am pro-thought. And too often, the public gives us doctors a pass when it is not appropriate.

      • http://twitter.com/KristinHarry1 Kristin Harry

        can you please be my family doctor!

  • Erwin Alber

    In New Zealand and a number of other countries, parents who don’t vaccinate simply don’t vaccinate. End of story. They don’t have to go through the rigmarole of having to obtain an exemption to opt out of this state-promoted insanity which is vaccination.

    If parents don’t have ready access to philosophical exemptions they have to resort to religious exemptions even if they are atheists to protect their children against this medical child abuse, which is of course a farcical situation. 

    The right to make an informed choice concerning medical procedures is a basic human right.  Informed consent also means not being coerced or pressured into making a certain choice. 

    As far as I am concerned, vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up ad sisease prevention by means of junk science.  The entire vaccine industry should in my opinion be shut down for good to keep us and our children safe from the psychopaths and predators who run this appalling racket.

    • 3lemenope

      Mumps. Rubella. Measels. Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Influenza.

      Compare, if you would, how the death tolls of those diseases stack up to whatever parade of horribles you’d prefer to believe about what vaccines might do to healthy people.

      Then shut the fuck up.

      Please.


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