Catholic ‘Rapper’: Gay Marriage is Wrong but We Love the Gays

Taking a page from the Jefferson Bethke playbook, Catholic priest Fr. Claude (Dusty) Burns (a.k.a. Fr. Pontifex, because he’s hip) offers this spoken word/poetry piece on why God loves you if you’re a homosexual*

*But only if you never act on it, and never get married, and never love someone else of the same sex, and never adopt a child, and repent for your sins.

In marriage two become one flesh, open to life for propagation
Two of the same in union can’t reach this fulfillment of God’s creation

The same Church that says no when we fail to keep our sexual selves in check
Is the same Church that says no when others try to take your respect
You never are alone and the Church offers you a home as it stand for what is true.
Although the Church says no to gay marriage it still says Yes to you.

It’s never good when a step up from where you used to be is still somewhere near the very bottom of the ladder.

Fr. Burns is a part of of Courage International, a Catholic Ministry focusing on the LGBT community and clearly not doing a very good job of it.

(via Joe. My. God.)

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  • http://exconvert.blogspot.com/ Kacy

    Whatever that was, it was NOT rap.

  • Good and Godless

    If the goal was propagation then there are design flaws not behavior flaws.

    Another reason the church is a sham.

  • http://twitter.com/JudgeGermaine Germaine

    I don’t listen to rap that often, but this guy is not a rapper.

  • ChristianDJ

    Sounds like a self-loathing gay man. All Catholic priest “supposedly” give up sex and marriage for the church. Obviously they have a problem with intimacy.

    • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

      Not just sex and marriage, even masturbation is forbidden. Of course I doubt most priests are able to manage that, but it’s scary how completely anti-sexuality the Catholic church is. It’s just such a poisonous belief, to take something harmless and natural and twist it into something evil.

      • Foster

        Natural, yes.  But everything can be harmful in the wrong context.  As human beings with intellect and conscience, we have a responsibility to put the good of society before our own desires.  That’s what faithful priests do, and it is what the Church asks same-sex-attracted people to do who cannot enjoy a heterosexual relationship and want to live in communion with the Church (along with everyone else).

        • Drakk

          Because gays are bad for society. Check.

          Fuck you, thanks.

        • Glasofruix

            we have a responsibility to put the good of society before our own desires.

          Ummmmmmm, how about no?

        • amycas

           I don’t see how my sex life harms society.

        • 1000 Needles

          But everything can be harmful in the wrong context. 

          Sure. If you drink too much water, it can kill you. Are you going to fight to ban water?

          And “faithful priests” have been plenty harmful to society. What with the rampant sexual abuse  and subsequent coverups committed by priests, maybe you should consider banning the priesthood.

          what the Church asks same-sex-attracted people to do who … want to live in communion with the Church (along with everyone else).

          How about letting them live in communion with the people they love? Is that above your fucked up sense of morality?

        • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

          No, it can’t. Masturbation is not harmful. Honestly, I feel sorry for people who have been so brainwashed by their religious upbringing that they believe there is something bad or shameful in acting upon their sexual urges. For priests to be forbidden even the relief of masturbation, a normal, natural, and utterly harmless action, shows just how messed up the Catholic church is when it comes to human sexuality.

      • pRinzler

        For a mind-bending, gasp-out-loud look at the insanity of the Catholic church’s history of attitudes toward sex and women, even if it’s a slightly academic, read “Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven” by Uta Ranke-Heineman.

        There is some mess-ed s*** in there.

        • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

          I’ll have to look for that one! I love books about religion, so thanks for the recommendation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

         There is more to life than sex and fulfilling your own hedonistic desires.
        May God enlighten you and fill your heart with love.

        • Glasofruix

          And there is more to life than being a slave to an imaginary sociapath and his little book of horrors.

        • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

          I don’t believe in any gods, Carol. You are entitled to your beliefs, but I am also entitled to my opinion that your beliefs are irrational and harmful. It just makes me sad that innocent children are guilted and shamed into feeling bad about their sexuality.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=533968931 Andrew Willyard

          May Science enlighten you and fill your mind with knowledge.

        • PietPuk

          I am sorry that you hate the love life of other people, and that you care so much about their sex life.
          I truly hope that one day you can keep your religion to yourself, and not feel the need to push it on others.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

       I know him personally, and that is not true. He is a warm, compassionate, generous man with much love in his heart and a GREAT sense of humor.
      May God remove the hate from your heart and fill it with His love.

      • PietPuk

         

        May God remove the hate from your heart and fill it with His love.

        And may the beauty of reality free you from your delusion.

      • Glasofruix

        warm, compassionate, generous man with much love in his heart

        I don’t know why, but when i read something like that about a dude i immediately think “pedophile”, him being a catholic priest doesn’t help his case.

        • Drakk

           Is this the other definition of “Christian love”?

  • Christine Rogalsky

    I don’t see how that’s a step up.

  • PJB863

    How novel,  another spin on the tired “Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin” meme.

    How about my new meme:  Hate the institution, can’t stand its leaders, find its morally bankrupt message hysterically funny.  Sorry, priests creep me out.

    • TheG

      If we accept that you can hate the sin but love the sinner, I can’t figure out why these kind of people get so upset when I respond with, “Yes, and I love the Christian, but hate Christianity.”

      All of the sudden, it isn’t so easy to separate the two.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

         Sure it is. God gave you the choice to love or hate. I love you charitably but disagree with your philosophy. Can you say the same?
        People with God in their hearts are disgusted by sin but are not able to hate. Chaos and hate are not of God.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=533968931 Andrew Willyard

          Explain that to the Christians running around with “God hates fags” signs.

        • PietPuk

          Lookup ‘no true scotsman’  fallacy, and try to work out how that applies to you comment.

        • MattD

          Wow….have you even read the book?

  • http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

    Derailing the thread for a moment. I love the ad on the side, “Why I am both spiritual and religious” by Amy Julia Baker. I’m neither spiritual nor religious, but I am happy and superstition free.

    Oh, the priest and his message?
    I saw an ad on TV today about how BP is my bestest friend. 
    In comparison, BP’s message was more believable and less toxic.

  • Tainda

    Yeah, he’s a rapper alright.  He’s lived a rough life and wants to let everyone know how tough it is on the streets.

    Catholic rapper, pfffffttttt

  • Erp

    I believe Courage was set up to face off against Dignity (http://www.dignityusa.org/) which is the largest LGBT group for Catholics.  The latter is much more affirming (and therefore not looked upon favorably by the church hierarchy). 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

       Because of opposition to official Catholic teaching , DignityUSA is not a recognized entity within the Catholic Church.

      • Erp

         Which is why I said ‘for Catholics’ and ‘not looked upon favorably by the church hierarchy’ not ‘Catholic LGBT group’.     It still exists and it members are for the most part  Catholic (though perhaps not Catholics in good standing with the hierarchy though as far as I’m aware joining it does not bring excommunication).

  • Mehman

    (All marrige is wrong)

  • kaydenpat

    No to your right to marry just like opposite sex couples, but yes to you (but no to who you are as a gay person).

    Yes, that makes sense.

  • jose

    “Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin” analogy:
    Dear black people, please bleach your skin and straighten your hair and we will happily embrace you into our civilization.

    You don’t do/practice/commit to/perform/undergo gay – you *are* gay. It’s something you are.  Religious people refuse to acknowledge this.

    • Foster

      Actually, by acknowledging that people are same-sex-attracted but can choose whether or not to act on their attraction, the priest did acknowledge that same-sex-attraction or “gayness” more carefully defined is not a choice.  

      • Drakk

         You mean the religiots are actually starting to learn?

        Excellent. A few more decades of hammering and we should be able to drive it through their thick skulls that two men fucking won’t cause global anarchy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=628665833 Bill Santagata

        And that’s wonderful if gay Catholics want to do that…the problem is the Catholic Church inserting itself into the political process and forcing everyone by law to adhere to their doctrine.

        I should also add this citation from Christian Legal Society v. Martinez (2010 Supreme Court decision), citing Lawrence v. Texas (2003 Supreme Court decision):

        This case itself is instructive in this regard. CLS contends that it does not exclude individuals because of sexual orientation, but rather “on the basis of a conjunction of conduct and the belief that the conduct is not wrong.” Brief for Petitioner 35-36 (emphasis deleted). Our decisions have declined to distinguish between status and conduct in this context. See Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 575, 123 S.Ct. 2472, 156 L.Ed.2d 508 (2003) (“When homosexual conduct is made criminal by the law of the State, that declaration in and of itself is an invitation to subject homosexual personsto discrimination.” (emphasis added)); id., at 583, 123 S.Ct. 2472 (O’Connor, J., concurring in judgment) (“While it is true that the law applies only to conduct, the conduct targeted by this law is conduct that is closely correlated with being homosexual. Under such circumstances, [the] law is targeted at more than conduct. It is instead directed toward gay persons as a class.”)

        • Stev84

          They just can’t see the difference between canon law and civil law.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

             We see the difference between law based on Judeo-Christian morality, as our nation was founded, and anarchy!

            • Glasofruix

              I think you might have skipped a few history lessons, or all of them.

            • http://www.facebook.com/bradley.betts.10 Bradley Betts

              I’m not even American, and even I know the US was founded as a Secular nation… it’s right there in your constitution (a document I admire very much, by the way). How is it that I know more of your nations political history than you do?

            • Glasofruix

               
              I am an American Woman and I am…white and I identify myself more with Ann Romney than with Michelle Obama

              As a privileged racist bigot who never worked a day in her life?

  • ImRike

    “You’re not allowed love and marriage but DO bring your money to my church!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649423791 Carol Robinson

      Anyone who watches the video knows that you have not told the truth.

  • DAN

    this article got it all wrong…maybe you should WATCH the video and UNDERSTAND the message before you critic…clearly you are lost because your arguments are weak 

    • http://www.shadesthatmatter.blogspot.com asmallcontempt

      Um…there are quotes from the video transcript within the article itself…or did you not read either?

  • compl3x

    Does that say “Spirit Juice Studios”? Umm, gross?

  • cipher

    Love it when Christians try to show they’re “hip” or “edgy”.

  • Ayinc1

     chastity frees ordained religious to serve people more readily. They are not attached to
    one person exclusively, so it’s easier for to move to another
    assignment. As the Jesuit Constitutions say, chastity is “essentially
    apostolic.” It is supposed to help religious be better “apostles,” to be freer
    to respond to the needs of those around us. So chastity is supposed to
    be about both love and freedom.” promise of celibacy or pronounce a vow of chastity to offer yourself
    to God as fully as possible and to make yourself available to love as
    many others as possible.

    The Church views sex as a gift to be shared between a husband & wife for babies AND bonding.

    It’s not rap, it’s spoken word

    • smrnda

      Is there any conclusive evidence that celibate people are able to contribute more to society? Please, actual facts and figures. This sounds like a hypothesis that’s being advanced totally without evidence. I mean, look at figures like Martin Luther King Jr, he was married and had sex and was a pretty positive force for millions, I don’t think he would have accomplished more if he’d taken some vow of celibacy.

      • Ayinc1

         I don’t know if there have been any studies on celibacy & contributions to society. I do know of plenty of  famous people who were celibate & contributed much to society: Mahatma Gandhi, considered the Father of India, took a vow of celebacy.Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, one of the all time great spiritual figures in Hinduism.Swami Vivekananda, the chief disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and the founder of Ramakrishna Math and Ramakrishna Mission, was one of the most famous spiritual teachers of the Vedanta philosophy in Hinduism. Isaac Newton, Cliff Richard, singer, is one of the most vocal celibates of modern times.Cosmopolitan agony aunt Irma Kurtz Simone Weil, Dutch philosopher and theologian Baruch Spinoza. Dr. Temple Grandin, Stevie Smith, poet and novelist, was celibate all her adult life, after sampling and rejecting romance and sex in her youth. Pitt the Younger, legendary British Prime Minister, is generally agreed by historians to have died a virgin.Nikola Tesla, who developed the system of alternating electrical current Carol Channing, the Broadway musical star of “Hello Dolly” fame was celibate in her marriage to Charles Lowe for 41 years. Morrissey, the British singer and former member of the Smiths, was openly celibate for several years. Benjamin N. Cardozo, former Chief Judge of the New York Court of Appeals and later Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, G. H. Hardy, twentieth century English mathematician Paul Erdos, one of the most prolific mathematicians in history, having participated in more than 20,000 papers. Abdul Kalam, former President of India, Antonio Gaudi, the Spanish architect most famous for the Segrada Familia in Barcelona, Alan Christie Wilson of the blues-rock group Canned Heat was a voluntary celibate in the later part of his life, according to his authorised biographer Krisna Radha Divorced novelist Beryl Bainbridge revealed that she gave up men because, when she was 56, she felt having a physical relationship with a man was ‘no longer dignified’, Rufus Wainwright, who after being raped at 14 remained celibate for seven years. Rivers Cuomo, the American musician, took a vow of celibacy for several years while completing his studies at Harvard University. He began practicing Vipassana meditation around the same time. Cuomo discontinued his vow when he married Kyoko Ito on June 18, 2006.

        • Glasofruix

          And there’s abigger list of people who accomplished many great things and still manged to get laid, this proves nothing.

    • smrnda

      Is there any conclusive evidence that celibate people are able to contribute more to society? Please, actual facts and figures. This sounds like a hypothesis that’s being advanced totally without evidence. I mean, look at figures like Martin Luther King Jr, he was married and had sex and was a pretty positive force for millions, I don’t think he would have accomplished more if he’d taken some vow of celibacy.

    • Stev84

      One big reason priests were forbidden from having families in the middle ages is that the church didn’t want to lose its property to inheritances. As usual, it was about the money.

    • Glasofruix

        The Church views sex as a gift to be shared between a husband & wife for babies AND bonding.

      The church can believe whatever it wants, it cannot however force people to adhere to their dogma. In other words, go forth and procreate with yourselves.

      • Ayinc1

         is the Church forcing it’s dogma on anyone? Please give credible citations

        • Glasofruix

          Oh i don’t know, every attempt to legislate against marriage equality, against abortion rights and contraception. The order to pray the gay away a couple of months ago. Among a few other things.

          • Ayinc1

            I’ll give you the abortion /contraception claim—the Church
            has fought for the weak, marginalized & defenseless throughout its history.
            Is praying for something or someone as forcing dogma on them?  And was the “pray the gay away” even a
            Catholic movement? I’ve not heard of it. What few other things?

            • Glasofruix

              The spanish inquisition?

              (the order to pray the gay away happened in august)

              • Ayinc1

                 the “order”?  there was NO such order.
                Recent studies indicate that at most there were only a few thousand capital sentences carried out for heresy in Spain, & these were over the course of several centuries. Also it was a STATE institution used to identify conversos—Jews and Moors (Muslims) who pretended to convert to Christianity for purposes of political or social advantage and secretly practiced their former religion.read Edward Peter’s “Inquisition” for the most up to date analysis of the topic, including the myths that have arisen surrounding the inquisitions

                • Erp

                   I can’t speak to the order; however,

                  1. I find your statement ‘who pretended to convert to Christianity for purpose of political or social advantage’ a whitewash.  The political and social advantage was to continue to live in the land their ancestors had lived in for hundreds of years and not to have most of their property confiscated before being exiled.  The Inquisition also dealt with heresy and apostasy (the last person handed over the state for execution, in 1826 seems to have been classified as an apostate).

                  2. Yes it was under control of the  Spanish crown; however, I don’t think Rome did much or any complaining except that it didn’t have ultimate control and that some of the victims were actually good Christians falsely accused.   Church and State were closely connected in Spain and it was the local church that ran the Inquisition.  For instance Tomás de Torquemada, the first Grand Inquisitor from 1483 to 1498, was a priest as were all  of his successors (most whom were also bishops and one of whom later became Pope). 

                  3. Yes the number of official executions was only in the thousands (though even 1000 for simply not being a real Catholic is 1000 too many [however most Christian countries of those days tended to punish those who weren't the right form of Christian], the real numbers seem to have been 3000-5000 which comes out to about 8 to 14 per year) but most of those were early in the Inquisition’s history.   This does not include those sentenced to lesser punishments such as life imprisonment (and sentencing to the galleys was almost certainly a death sentence also) or those who died in prison.

                • Glasofruix

                  Oh please, during those times living as a non true(tm) catholic meant prosecution and death sentence. Protestants were prosecuted and killed. The pope waged wars on entire cities with the order to exterminate every protestant inside (and even more, google for “kill them all let god sort them out”)

  • Russbear3

    Maybe this rapping priest should send this vid to the Catholic bishop I drank beers with in a gay bar about 20 years ago or the four gay Catholic priests I have dated as a gay atheist.


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