Uganda Passes ‘Kill the Gays’ Bill

By the end of 2012, Uganda’s internationally contentious “Kill the Gays” bill will become law.

The highly religious, highly Christian country has been trying to get this bill passed since 2009, and it faced a great deal of criticism on an international level along the way: several European countries threatened to reduce aid to the country if the bill was passed.

Speaker Rebecca Kadaga described the bill’s passing as a “Christmas gift” for the Ugandan people.

The law will broaden the criminalization of same-sex relationships by dividing homosexuality into two categories; aggravated homosexuality and the offense of homosexuality.

‘Aggravated homosexuality’ is defined as gay acts committed by parents or authority figures, HIV-positive people, pedophiles and repeat offenders. If convicted, they will face the death penalty.

The ‘offense of homosexuality’ includes same-sex sexual acts or being in a gay relationship, and will be prosecuted by life imprisonment.

So… I will not be going to Uganda any time soon.

We’ll be sure to update with any fallout from countries that provide foreign aid.

About Jessica Bluemke

Jessica Bluemke grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and graduated from Ball State University in 2008 with a BA in Literature. She currently works as a writer and resides on the North side of Chicago.

  • http://mittenatheist.blogspot.com/ Kari Lynn

    This is sick. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001627228091 Alexander Ryan

    According to wikipedia, an estimated 500,000 people of the 31 million are gay. I like to call this one the “Let’s go all genocide and jail for life and/or kill off a little less than 2 percent of our total population” bill.

  • Karen

    Alas, I fear economic sanctions will have the most effect on people with the least ability to instigate political change.

    • Thomas Farrell

      Idunno. I have a friend who was in peace corps in another african country a few years back, and he told me they relied so heavily on peace corps that PC practically ran the place. If we were to pull all of our peace corps people out and tell Uganda “nope, sorry, goodbye, call us when you’re acting like a civilized country again,” it would probably get some notice at all levels.

  • Argud

    Doesn’t Rebecca Kadaga look like a lesbian ??

    • eonL5

      That’s a really silly and pointless question. Just stop it.

    • http://twitter.com/lowbatteries Steven Simmons

      Yes, she does look like a normal person. What’s your point?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPVVPRJ7QKLPU6TF5B4IZTENTI No

    Humanity never ceases to amaze with advances in some areas, and bloody regresses in others. I hope Obama can place some serious pressure on Uganda to stop this deadly madness.

    I wonder what those Christians who went over there under the aegis of providing anti-homosexual “consulting services” to the Ugandan government feel about their hand in this…

    • Michael

      At a guess, proud.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

      I’m guessing they would never voice support for it, but they still see it as a positive thing. Sure it’s a harsh sentence, but if being gay is a choice, then this will make less people choose to be gay, right?

      • Lire0204

         yer, normally heterosexual men wake up all the time and choose to suck dick, you mam are dumb as shit

  • Marco Conti

    Indeed, sanctions will hurt those that can least afford it. But if there is something else that can be done please speak.

    By the way, where is the Vatican on this? How about the “life is sacred” crowd? Is life no longer sacred if it belongs to a homosexual?

    Another tact would be to start a campaign of misinformation where each and every politician in Uganda is accused of homosexuality. We know that this law is also going to be used to settle disputes and revenge, might as well start with the people that voted this travesty into law. See how they like their own medicine.

    • jdm8

      It does seem like they think life is sacred unless you’re gay, non-Christian, sitting on a cache of oil, etc.

    • ANTIFAG

      I SAY ROUND ALL FAGS WORLD-WIDE AND EXECUTE THEM BY DROWNING. DON’T WASTE BULLETS!!

      • phantomreader42

         I say start rumors that homophobic shitstains are secretly gay, so the murderous death cultists will turn on each other and rid the world of their own filth in their paranoid delusions.  Shit, who needs fake rumors, most of them ARE closet cases!

        • fiona64

           No rumor-passing needed; it’s been proven by a controlled study at the University of Georgia. Seriously.

      • Malemale69

        You sir are a bigot. I mean really, your way of thinking is what causes bills like this. Instead, I know you can voice your point, but still are you even educated? How does a same sex couple deserve death? Is it because of what we do behind our bedroom doors? That shouldn’t even be one of your thoughts, just for thinking about that your had a homosexual thought and Theodore are classified by this bill as being guilt of the offense of homosexuality as states in this bill, and really deserve life imprisonment. Instead of worrying about what me and my partner do behind closed doors worry about your own relationship, which if you even have one I’d be surprised by the fact.

        • PoodleSheep

          YHBT. YHL. HAND.  Don’t feed the trolls.

        • http://twitter.com/Jason_Dude Chase Richards

          Don’t feed the troll

      • Brian Scott

        Try it and get a knife to your gullet, motherfucker.

      • Pseudonym

        Obvious troll is obvious.

      • angel 13

        And what do we do about bullies like you sir?  Bullies are usually afraid of something.  I wonder what that is in your case.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronnie-Bruno/785797237 Ronnie Bruno

        closet queen

      • pagansister

         Really hope you are not serious—–and if you are?   Then you represent the same folks in Uganda that promoted that outrageous bill.

      • J4roo

        focus on being a better  person..  did you now when people hate gays so much it is because you are gay yourself,,,

      • mahala

        ANTIFAG must have a small penis. Though he is a real big dickhead.

        • Baal

           Don’t do this.  Men with small penis’s are constantly told it’s something to be ashamed about.  It isn’t.  Body shaming isn’t a good way to reply to a troll (best is to flag it for removal).

      • Damien

        Doth protest too much.

      • Anti-troll

        haha troll….

      • Hippiehearted

        I believe that you my dear friend should be the one executed. Actually, let’s make use of both methods of torture.  Shoot bullets through your arms and then throw you into the ocean. Humanity doesn’t need your poison. 

        • The Other Weirdo

           Neither do we need torture porn fantasies. Let’s leave those delusions to the Christians.

      • RobertoTheChi

        You’re really bad at trolling. Don’t give up your day job.

      • world needs apocalypse

        Usually the ones who appear to hate “fags”, wind up being a “fag”their self. Ever seen the movie “American Beauty”?

      • http://www.facebook.com/phil.lowrey.16 Phil Lowrey

        No offense bro, but you are probably gay.  Hate speech like that comes with denial.  You should probably see a counselor or psychologist to work through your issues.  I’m not sure whether to assume your an eleven-year old who just got access to the internet or an adult homophobe who is fighting internally about accepting his own homosexuality.  Either way, your ignorance gives you away as uneducated.

      • Coyotenose

         Round them? You mean run circles around them? At the same time as you drown them? That seems inefficient. You should go back to Stormfront to research how to more effectively commit mass murder.

    • Hidden

      The Vatican is opposed to this bill.

      • The Other Weirdo

         But are they going to do anything about it? And while Uganda is Christian, is it Catholic?

        • TheBlackCat

           According to Wikipedia, Catholicism is by far the largest religious demographic in Uganda, making up over 40% of the population, with Anglicans making up about another 35%.

      • Baal

        I’m very glad to read that but the Vatican still condemns gay men who have sex with their spouses and partner to hell.  That institutional negativity provides cover for more extreme elements.

        • Johnnyhoul

          There is more written in the bible condemning liars than there is gays, that being the case I would say hell is going to be a fairly full by the time I get there. I am not gay but I have lied in the past so I am either forgivable or I am condemned to hell with all of you other people who have lied at some stage and all the gays which is it to be? If a lie is forgivable in the eyes of God then what of being gay if it is indeed that bad and not a distraction from actually doing some good in the world as Christians like rooting out corruption, greed and solving poverty etc other than judging and hating people for how God made them.  It seems to me that if you hate at all you aren’t much of a Christian in any case.

      • Brian Scott

        The council of Catholic Bishops in Uganda support the bill. Want to bet what the extent the Vatican will flip out like they did against US nuns will be now that it’s gay lives on the line rather than petty politics?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C7AAHW642DACTA4UHSVVS5RX5Y Rhonda

      That is why I say provide only food, medical aid and education and don’t send it through the government.

      I would like the idea of the misinformation campaign, especially if it targeted Katanga.  It would have them so upset they would not have time for their hate preaching.  And it is probably true since the most homophobic among us are undercover gays.

    • kaydenpat

      The majority of Ugandans are for the “kill the gays” law, so let them suffer until they come to their collective senses.  Otherwise, if you continue to give them aid, they’ll enforce the law with impunity.  My fear is that these types of laws could spread all over Africa (and through other developing nations).

  • TheExpatriate700

    Not only should we cut off foreign aid, but we should begin pressuring NGOs such as the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, and UNICEF to withdraw from the country in protest. Doing so would make it clear to the Ugandan people as a whole that they cannot act like barbarians and not expect harsh consequences.

    • Troels Jakobsen

      Those NGOs are allowed to work in conflict zones around the world because they’re strictly apolitical. Involving them in a political struggle is definitely a bad idea, as it would seriously impede their work locally and globally.

  • Stev84

    The bill also includes a clause that makes it an offense to not report someone who is gay or to provide commercial services to anyone who is. Let the witch hunts begin. There have already been cases where Christian pastors (who else?) used the accusation against rivals.

    Also, merely holding hands is an “homosexual act” according to the law.

  • WoodyTanaka

    I think that we should go back to treating the Christians the way the Romans did.  Or, at the very least, people like these people, Pat Robertson, the people who push creationism and that tool who used to be on Growing Pains.

    • Guest

      I think you are gay and should be sent to Uganda.  I am hilarious.

      • pagansister

         Hilarious?  NOPE.

    • tomasiepants

      Great idea!  These people are so sick for wanting to kill others…. so let’s kill THEM first.

    • Destebanjr

      So do to them what they are doing to others… GREAT PLAN MORON!!!

      • WoodyTanaka

        Learn to recognize a joke, shiteater.

    • phantomreader42

      I say start rumors that homophobic shitstains are secretly gay, so the murderous death cultists will turn on each other and rid the world of their own filth in their paranoid delusions.  Shit, who needs fake rumors, most of them ARE closet cases!

      The idea of rounding up christians who whine about being persecuted in countries where they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, experiencing anything remotely similar to persecution, dumping them in a country where christians are ACTUALLY persecuted, and trading them for an equal number of local refugees also appeals.  Rescue some people who actually need the help, while getting rid of a bunch of useless whining lying cowards, so it’s a win-win.

      • Stev84

        They don’t need help. They already did that. In fact one of the leading proponents of the bill, Martin Ssempa, was just convicted for accusing a rival priest of having sex with two boys.

    • Thin-ice

      Woody & phantomreader: making the rest of us non-believers look stupid and hateful with every comment.

      • WoodyTanaka

        No, but people like you and Brian Scott are absolutely making non-believers look like stick-up-ass morons who can’t recognize a joke.

        • Coyotenose

           Whining and being abusive because your joke about murdering people didn’t go over well = Classy.

          • WoodyTanaka

            Whatever.  Go take a long piss off a short pier.

            • TheBlackCat

               Thanks for proving his/her point.

        • Brian Scott

          It is difficult for me to determine that this was a joke. Looking at it now I still don’t see how I’m meant to evaluate it as such. However I will take you at your word that it was a joke, though one I find tasteless.

          • WoodyTanaka

            Really??  You honestly believe that someone, here in the 21st Century, is seriously proposing to take an octogenarian televangelist and a washed-up ’80s sit-com actor and feed them to lions.  I reapeat: Feed them to lions.  It was difficult for you to determine whether someone might propose this as a serious policy statement???

            • TheBlackCat

              “You honestly believe that someone, here in the 21st Century, is
              seriously proposing to take an octogenarian televangelist and a
              washed-up ’80s sit-com actor and feed them to lions.”

              Yes, I have no problem believing that.  I have heard plenty of people seriously propose very similar things countless times.

              • WoodyTanaka

                Then you really need to get out more.

                • TheBlackCat

                  Wait, so I have seen things and heard things that you haven’t, so I need to get out more?  How does that make any sense at all?

                • WoodyTanaka

                  You need to get out more if you think an obviously hyperbolic statement was serious, regardless of what you’ve seen.

            • Brian Scott

              You merely said “treat them as the Romans did”, which may include all sorts of abuse. If you had specifically said to feed them to lions, then I would have recognized it as a joke. As it was, I found it easy to interpret it as persecution.

              • WoodyTanaka

                Yes, and what was the stereotypical way the Romans treated the Christians: feeding them to the lions.  I figured that you people didn’t need to be tippy-toed through a throw-away joke.   

    • Brian Scott

      No. That’s just as bad as what they’re doing. Even the most obnoxious of American Christians are merely that: obnoxious. Not murderers like the pissants enacting, supporting and enforcing this bill.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke, Blonde

    place the blame for this squarely where it belongs: western hate groups. the ugandan representatives who made this happen would’ve never been so bold to do so without lots and lots of western money from groups like the RCC, american hater orgs and churches, and western politicians looking to prove their conservative creds by taking junkets and spending money in uganda to bolster ugandan hater efforts. once again, western meddling in an african nation results in the needless, cruel deaths of helpless africans who are nothing more than pawns pushed around by outsiders. don’t get me wrong, there are lots of ugandans who deserve to be shunned and derided for this bill, but the bottom line is that without outside money, it never would’ve happened. 

    • ANTIFAG

      I CONTRIBUTED $1000.USD TO ANTI FAG AND ANTI LESBO CAUSES IN UGANDA. SO I’M HAPPY AND MY MONEY WASN’T WASTED. HOMOSEXUALS OF ALL CAST MUST BE MADE EXTINCT IN THE US AS WELL. I SAY GIVE THEM A COLONY ON ANARCTICA..AND THERE THEY CAN PLUKE EACH OTHER ALL THEY WANT. AS LONG AS THEY DON’T TRY TO ENGAGE THE SEAL COLONY WITH THEIR SEXUAL PROCLIVITIES. LET’S GET BACK TO NORMAL.

      • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

        ZOMG. LOL. I DON’T EVEN.

    • guest

      Or, how about douchbag African country is completely capable of creating it’s own douchbagery.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke, Blonde

        1. learn to spell

        2. do some research

        3. read downthread to see that other people here are even more informed than i am about the specifics of why what i said is relevant and true

        4. try not to show your racist side so much

        • Hquinn

          Psst.. You are the one being racist.

        • South African

          Hm, Chicago Dyke. I get what you are saying – but your own picture of Africans is not so free of racism. Yes, outside Church groups etc. have been influencing Ugandans to become more and more hateful, but you cannot deny their own responsibility in choosing to accept these influences over the many other aid groups working there. Africans are not simply poor, feeble pawns with no mind of their own – they’re fully culpable human beings. This means that when they choose to do something wrong, IT IS THEIR FAULT. In the same way, we praise them when they do something right (and not the NGOs that proposed the idea). To attribute the decision to act elsewhere, other than in the Ugandans themselves, is racist as it denies their very human nature, to make informed decisions.

        • Dkf

          how is calling Uganda a “douchbag country” racist? 

          • Tfire

            It’s ‘douchebag country.

          • http://www.facebook.com/darkdragonweaver Dale Mulkey

            i will let you go find someone with the time to explain that answer to you i dont have much time to deal with illerate inbreds

            • Kentonotes

               This is really funny, Dale…your improper spelling, lack of punctuation and capitalization to point out the illiteracy of others.

              Case in point, “illerate”… really?

        • Faloana

          You want to split hairs and tell someone to learn how to spell. And yet you don’t capitalize, you use down thread as if it were one word, and it isn’t, you ignore punctuation and you’re blindly stating hypocrisy by telling someone who showed no racism, to not be racist, when you yourself, showed a little flare of such yourself. My guess is, you talk more than you listen. Please fix this. I really hate hypocrites. Make your point, and receive OTHER points in a way you would like yours received. If you’re unwilling to accept new information or opinions, all you really want to do is talk at people and demand they agree with you. Kind of like the thing you seem to not appreciate much. Keep that hypocrisy in check. It’ll kill you in the long run.

          • Km

             Typical rhetoric from the side that believes killing for any reason is ok. Kill the messenger ignore the message!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001334382685 Jade Rowe

            Punctuation???  Really???  Innocent people are going to be MURDERED and you’re quarreling about punctuation?  WTF?  Entitled Americans make me sick.  Enjoy your effing Chick Fil A sandwiches — they helped finance this atrocity.

            • Zddilmore

               Agreed ;D Entitled Americans believe what they know is all there is to know… Its sick and pathetic. We all have to open our eyes people. Innocent lives are no longer at stake here, innocent lives are being taken. The Ugandan government has declared war on homosexuality and thanks to our churches, our christians, they are winning this fight… Christianity has become a dead faith. People call themselves it because everyone says its the thing to do. If there was a single christian on the internet today who is what they call themself, then God would be moving in their hearts so powerfully right now that they couldn’t be on the internet because they’d be stoning the murderers overseas! @_@ Psalms 20:6 people… We all claim to know God… but who here is faithful to Him?

            • Woz

              Wow Jade you must be psychic to know everyone’s nation of origin.

          • marcusfavonius

            Thank you. I can’t believe how many people are trying to give the Ugandans a free pass on this idiocy and not hold them responsible for their own words and actions. 

            Yes, American fundamentalists bankrolled by people like the FRC and AFA have done nothing but fan the flames of hatred in Uganda and help foster an atmosphere which is hostile to gays. 

            Something which I would like to remind the apologists that already existed prior to meddling from these outside groups. It didn’t just poof out of thin air. Uganda has had laws which prevent homosexuals from publicly coming out of the closet for years and gays have received brutal treatment at the hands of vigilantes not associated with the government many times over the years.

            What kills me is the people who keep shifting the goals and making it sound like Africans have no responsibility over their own actions. THAT sounds racist to me. I have no doubt that the human race as a whole is perfectly capable of vile hatred and bigotry without the need for one particular group of people with a particular skin tone to export it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/darkdragonweaver Dale Mulkey

            if you only going to type crap about grammer then maybe you should take your extremely small brain to an education page. other wise post about what the article is about moron

            • Kentonotes

               If you are only/if you only
              grammar,/grammer
              Than/then
              Otherwise,/other wise
              about, moron./about moron

              Just sayin’, Mr. Pedantic…

        • http://twitter.com/Jason_Dude Chase Richards

          I definitely agree with what you say in broad strokes.  However, as an African myself I have to add that in many African cultures there is a strong homophobic sentiment that has been there for decades, maybe even longer. It might even pre-date the Christian arrival in Africa, but I’m not too certain of that part.  

          I do know that in a lot of cultures being gay is considered extremely “un-African”, with the same connotation that being a communist in America during the cold war had (except, you know, it’s about bumsex so people get even more riled up).

          I think there may be some good serious research into homophobia in African cultures, but I’ve been out of university for far too long to figure out how to look it up :(

          • Stev84

            There were African tribes that accepted homosexuality in some contexts. They sometimes used the same framework North American native tribes had (though it was certainly more common in America): it was acceptable under come circumstances for someone to assume the social role of the other gender.

            Much of the homophobia and especially the anti-gay laws were imposed by the colonial powers. Especially the British Empire.

            • That’s revisionist nonsense!

              Complete hogwash.

              • Arawra

                How about doing some research revisionist? 

            • Lilturtleheart

               Actually, a number of the American tribes revered these people. They are considered more emotionally balanced in that they have a better balance of their male and female halves… something each of us have.
              Today you are finding many more men that consider themselves metro-sexuals… they are heterosexual, but with taste and decorum. They are better listeners, more in tune with their partner/spouse and over all seem to have better relationships than basic heterosexual men.
              Each person, male or female, has both a male and a female half… the female half found on the left and the male half on the right. This was understood by Native Americans as well as the Druids and others who communed with the Earth and consider it sacred.
              Contrary to popular belief, it is not a choice one normally makes (some make the choice via experimentation and decide for one reason or another to stay homosexual). But by and large it is an overwhelming sense that you do not fit in the body you live in…
              Please know that I personally appreciate your words… continue to learn and grow.

              • Dari

                 The only problem in that logic is you’re applying certain traits to ‘male and female’ which are NOT inherent, but perpetuated by pop culture cliches. So it doesn’t work, sorry.

              • Twarzecha07

                Ok, I will have to address this post any many ways. But first let me start by saying thank you for trying to expend the discussion, and for even being here to have this discussion. There are a few problems with your post, one being that you lump all Native American tribes together, even though there is a huge diversity with in the tribes, including the acceptance and affirmation of the idea that you are describing, which is called Two-Spirit.

                In order to discuss Two-Spirited people we need to step back and recognize another thing, that sex, gender, and sexuality are three different things. One, sex is you physical expression of your chromosomes, this is rather straight forward, are you male, female, or something else (intersex)? Gender is the societal expectations of the sexes, “woman’s work,” and this is where two-spirits fit into the conversation, they transcended the boundary that was the masculine gender and the feminine gender, and because of it were looked upon as different ( sometimes positively, sometimes negatively). Now, one’s gender has nothing to do with one’s sexuality, as they are independent ideas; and many two-spirited people did marry someone not of their sex, classifying them as “straight.”

                Now why did I spend all of this time writing about this? To educate, and so I can point out that this article is about non-straight people being oppressed, not non-gender conforming people. So, when people use the two-spirit people as a way to prove that some Native American tribes were “enlightened,” we need to step back and realize that that discussion isn’t even on topic, as sexuality and gender are different

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/C7AAHW642DACTA4UHSVVS5RX5Y Rhonda

          Ok, y’all are doing something I have a problem with. That is critcizing spelling and punctuation.  Criticize ideas instead.  The person who has bad grammar or spelling may have a learning disability, be a hunt-and-peck typist who can barely find the letters, much less the punctuation, use English as a second language, or be using assistive technology such as Dragonspeak or even have no functional hands and be using a headwand or adapted switch.  Express respect or disrespect for the thoughts and ideas, not the way the person writes them.

        • Blond Anti-Racist Scandinavian

          People are responsible for their own ideas. “Poor africans” as well, unless you harbour the racist sentiment that they are an inferior race incapable of such responsibility. 

          • phantomreader42

            But it is known and documented that right-wing homophobes from America promoted and supported this legislation.  So this isn’t only a Ugandan idea, the bigoted asshats who proposed this were inspired by bigoted asshattery exported from countries with a surplus of bigoted asshats. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C7AAHW642DACTA4UHSVVS5RX5Y Rhonda

      Although the western hate groups put the ideas in the Ugandan heads, lets not treat them as though they are stupid, ignorant, or innocent.  They know right from wrong and bigotry is not respecter of race.  Uganda is also a largely Christian country and has a high income and educational level by African standards so apparently they are ignoring the Bible and the message of Jesus Christ.  God will hold the Ugandans, especially their leadership, responsible.  Now it is up to the world to hold them responsible too by cutting off foreign aid except for food, medical care and education and making sure none of that filters through government agencies.  They need an embargo similar to what is being done to Iran.

      • sthek

        Pretty sure the bible also has some terrible things to say about gay people. You may want to believe it’s all about the love and generosity and forgiveness, but there are plenty of other messages to take away from it also if you are so inclined. After all, here in the US the anti-gay movement is all about what they think god wants too. Unless you all have different bibles, I’m not sure how you reconcile the two.  

        • fiona64

           Here is exactly what Jesus says about gay folk:  “     “

          • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

            I thought Jesus and his father were supposed to be the same deity. And don’t Christians believe their god authored the book, or at least divinely inspired its writers?

            • http://megavikingman.tumblr.com/ Nathanial Perkins

               These interpretations are based in Catholic dogma.  Before Emperor Constantine called to First Council of Nicaea, there were many Christian churches and many different interpretations and many, often conflicting, holy scriptures, which included people who disagreed completely with the statements in your post.  Constantine called the Council in order to determine which version of Christianity would serve best as a new state religion, and specifically sought out interpretations that would help him solidify his control over the empire.  That’s why certain books were kept out of the Bible where they referred to Jesus as simply a human prophet, just like Moses, Abraham, and the rest.  If he is God himself, and the leaders of the Church/writers of the Bible have a direct link with him through divine inspiration, then the Church becomes the ultimate authority of God himself, and the mass murder of heretics became justifiable, despite that whole “Thou Shalt Not Kill” rule, and despite the fact that it’s supposed to be divinely inspired explicitly.

              • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                Sure, but the idea of the trinity is accepted in Protestant Christianity, too. They believe Jesus is not only a god, but the same (in some magical way) as the god who supposedly wrote their book.

                • http://megavikingman.tumblr.com/ Nathanial Perkins

                  That’s true of most Protestant groups, but all Protestant denominations used Catholicism as a baseline and built (or took away) from there.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  Of course, but those are pretty much the only types of Christians we have around anymore. That’s why I think it’s disingenuous when Christians make statements like “Jesus never said anything against homosexuality” when, in all other aspects of their religion, they consider Jesus to be the same as his father.

                • http://megavikingman.tumblr.com/ Nathanial Perkins

                  Except there are several churches that do not believe God ever said anything against homosexuality. I was myself raised as Episcopalian, and they endorse same sex couples and have gay ministers. The Presiding Bishop (closest thing they have to a Pope) is a lesbian. The anti-homosexual passages are from the old testament rules of Jewish law, many of which Jesus actively opposed. Furthermore, there is a passage in the New Testament which some scholars believe is Jesus endorsing a gay couple, one of whom was a Roman soldier. There are also references to lesbians who st carrying out Gods will. I’d send you links but I’m on my phone.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  But that’s a minority view. I know quite a bit about the different denominations, and even the liberal Episcopalians are not free of homophobia. Surely you’re aware of the split in the Anglican Communion over this issue? The fact that Gene Robinson’s appointment as bishop was enough to garner death threats, protests, and secession? The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, is not pro-gay by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the Episcopal church does not treat same-sex couples the same as straight couples. Their blessing ceremony is not marriage, and it is not free of controversy. If the majority of Episcopalians really believed that “God ever said anything against homosexuality,” then there would be full inclusion and acceptance. But there isn’t.

                • guest

                   Idk why you think that, but it is most certainly not true.  The “Church” started the moment Jesus ascended, and Catholicism-meaning universalism-was never a part of it.  The protestant reformation happened when many Catholics began to really recognize just how corrupt and blasphemous their religion had become, and wanted to re-align themselves with the truth.

              • Lilturtleheart

                 It actually translates closer to “Thou shalt take not the life of an innocent”; but again, changed to fulfill the needs/wants/desires of the ruling entity.
                But yes, I agree, for the most part, with what you have said here.

      • Zak

        They shouldn’t receive any foreign aid.

        • Gavin

          Really? Pull ALL funding/foreign aid because of government policy? You’d advocate innocent people starving because the global populace disagree with their leaders? Good call Hitler.

          • marcusfavonius

            I think I get it. Suggesting that a country which is on the brink of enacting laws which would basically enable the government to carry out the selective elimination of a group of people based on sexual preference should NOT receive our tax money is tantamount to being Adolf Hitler. The doublethink is strong with this one. The Ugandans are the ones who supported these measures and if they don’t want to play by our standards which ensure the right of all free people to not be murdered in the name of someone elses’ religious dogma, they can bite the bullet and learn to live without our money. 

    • guest

      you can’t place blame on anyone but their government. They are grown-ups and should know right from wrong

      • Lilturtleheart

         So how do you explain the BS that the government gets away with here! We have all sorts of checks and balances built into our system and it is still not enough to keep the House and Senate from reaming the rest of the country (short of big business of course)!
        You don’t even want to get me started on THAT soap box!

    • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

       It a little from column A and a little from column B.   There is enough douchery to go around.   Western money wouldn’t have done anything if there wasn’t support for this from the local population.    However, without western money and influence, I doubt that the anti-gay sentiment would be as severe.     

    • Blond Anti-Racist Scandinavian

      People are responsible for their own ideas. “Poor africans” as well, unless you harbour the racist sentiment that they are an inferior race incapable of such responsibility. 

    • anon101

      Yeah sure. Saudi Arabia and Iran needed lots and lots of western money to impose the death penalty on gays. Oh my fucking god.

    • David

      To add a voice from East Africa (Kenya), the Ugandans chose to do this.  Sure, the US based hate groups were involved, but they found fertile soil which was very receptive to their ideas.  And the one party state with a long serving president is very happy to have something that is broadly supported to distract people from allegations of the leading family’s corruption, the lack of free association with political parties and the various military games being played.

      Uganda is broadly homophobic and this bill has popular support.  I do not think this is a good thing, but I do take exception to being told that “helpless africans” are “nothing more than pawns.”  If your Western powers are so strong, make sure my election in March is peaceful.  Which you can’t, so stop thinking you are the center of the universe.

      • CavalierJon

        Americans are ethnocentric.  Many are also religious – but not Christian.  They need to take a proper look at the whole Bible in it’s cultural and historical context and the real meanings behind what it being said.  The Bible says that true religion happens when orphans and widows are being looked after – that is, the vulnerable members of society.  It also says that if you want to fulfill the law of Christ, then you should bear one another’s burdens.  Please don’t judge Christianity by the bigots.  Jesus was the first one to openly and loudly criticize the Pharisees and Sadducees who were largely the law-makers and enforcers of the day. Jesus often told them  how wrong their religious attitudes were, at one point was violent towards them in his anger and in at least one other situation, was calling them names.  If you want to know what Christianity is about, it’s not about being perfect or even sinless – it’s about being forgiven and pushing forward to live the type of life the spirit of the Bible really talks about…  If you want to talk to me, my email is cavalierjon@hotmail.com.  I won’t be checking back here for responses.

    • Steve

      Sophistry.  Africans have been steeped in their own various superstitions and hate long before Western fundies got uppity. Besides, every culture makes a choice.You can’t always blame group A for what group B decides. At some point personal responsibility comes in.

    • Madison Reed

       Western hate groups = Roman Catholics and an umbrella of American Evangelical Christians, and other U.S. Christian believers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoria.s.sain Victoria Skywishes Sain

    thats fine uganda ;) when your kids starve ill just say ;its gods will .. get the fuck over it’

  • Kat

    You need to read “The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power,” by Jeff Sharlet, to understand how the U.S. Christian Right, including a number of U.S. Congressional members, has influenced this sort of hateful behavior around the world.

    • Minneapostate

      Sharlet’s follow-up book, C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy looks at the Ugandan situation extensively. Sharlet spent a lot of time over there with David Bahati, the sponsor of this horrific bill, and goes into great detail about how these Dominionists spread their hate globally. Most people are completely unaware that these people are behind the National Prayer Breakfast

  • Andrea

    Hey, if it hasn’t actually passed already you need to adjust this story. Other news sites are not reporting it as passed. This could just be big talk.

  • Rufus

    Hmm, well that’s put Uganda slightly below Fukushima on my holiday destination list.

    Not to mention that the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia and (I believe) Canada will all make good on their previous threats to yank all of the aid that goes to the Ugandan government.
    I’m not sure if they’re enough to completely destroy the workings of the Ugandan government, but  combined with the loss of their tourism industry. Here’s hoping that the prospect of the big hard wall that they’re just about to run into will be enough to make them change their mind, if not for the sake of common decency then for their own self interest.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    This is the logical conclusion of Christian attitude, policy, and practice regarding homosexuality. You can lay this right at the feet of the several U.S. Congressmen and Senators, both Republicans and Democrats, who are members of the secretive Christian fundamentalist group in Washington DC,  “The Fellowship,” also known as “The Family.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29
    In 2009, they were revealed to be heavily involved in encouraging Uganda to impose draconian laws against GLBT people. When public outrage over the proposed death penalty boiled over, Fellowship members quietly slunk away from the issue, but there is no reason to assume that they are not still covertly involved.  

    Look it up, and see if your representative is among the members.

    • Minneapostate

      Aside from exporting their hatred to Uganda and other places around the world, these same Dominionists are just as committed to infiltrating and controlling all branches of our military. Mikey Weinstein, Chris Rodda and everyone over at MRFF are true heroes for standing up to them. Everyone should become acquainted with Jeff Sharlet’s books that expose this truly sinister group.

    • Stev84

      Sen. Inhofe especially is heavily involved in Uganda.

      Early on, Rick Warren also had his hands on this, though he has officially distanced himself from it.

  • Dervilia

    Ugandans are fed a lot of misinformation, it is a beautiful country but it is not free. Don’t punish the whole country for this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Be sure to congratulate Joyce Banda on repealing hateful laws like this one, since you’re now concerned with freedoms in Africa.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thomwatson Thom Watson

      The Joyce Banda who said that her government would repeal anti-gay laws, but who has backtracked on that promise since? The Joyce Banda whose government reportedly suspended anti-gay laws last week, but then after religious groups complained said that they’d done no such thing and had no plans to do so?

      And if the Ugandan government passed a law suggesting that any Muslim who prayed to Mecca would only be imprisoned for life, unless they did so a second time and would then be given the death penalty, would it be wrong to punish the country for that, too? If the first time a left-handed child wrote with his or her left hand they would be reprimanded, but if they continued to do so they’d be put to death, would it be wrong to punish the country for that? Exactly which peoples can the government imprison or kill without us trying to punish them for doing so, and which ones, other than LGBT people, do you suggest we let be imprisoned and killed with impunity?

  • tomasiepants

    Reduce aid?  Why give these people or other countries aid to begin with?  We all know the money never goes to the people in need.  Uganda has been stealing/cheating/lying for YEARS.  Yes, corruption exists in every country, but in Uganda it’s blatantly obvious.  

  • Deekat6

    Many people I love are gay. I am a Christian too. Jesus never said KILL anyone. God will judge.

    • Adam Thorn

      Where as the rest of us don’t need someone to tell us killing is wrong…

      • tester

        Who says all Christians do?  I take the words of Jesus in less obvious contexts, which arguably present a loving and giving lifestyle that is impossible for any person to follow, as a personal challenge and find general morality, the more obvious and natural part of those words, in living life just like everybody else.
        Smug generalizations sure make you feel better though, don’t they?

        • phantomreader42

          It’s true, not ALL christians are barely-restrained murderous sociopaths just waiting for the voices in their heads to tell them it’s okay to slaughter infidels and bathe in their blood.  But every time a christian pretends that their god or their faith is the only possible source of morality, or worse yet outright SAYS they’d rape and pillage if they didn’t have the fear of the boogeyman to keep them in check, that’s the impression I get of them, that they’re just biding their time until they can delude themselves into thinking god wants them to be mass murderers.

          • Anti-hate

            You sound as hateful towards Christians as the Ugandans are towards homosexuals.  Isn’t the point to remove hate?  The God I believe in, weeps at these atrocities.  I think this is heart breaking, and that REAL Christians wouldn’t be in favor of this bill passing, but would be joining the masses to try to stop it.  Genocide is NEVER okay, regardless of who is being murdered.

            • phantomreader42

              You sound dumber than the average rock and unable or unwilling to read for comprehension.

            • Lire0204

               love when
              ‘christians” say, oh but the god i believe in is different, im a real christian and they are not…really, your a christian who ignores the bible and cherrypicks all the “jebus is love bits”, how original

      • Liam

        Sure. Positive reinforcement of any kind should be condemned. Good ol’ ‘Murican thinking. If it ain’t what we need, then SHUT IT UP. Right..? Fantastic. Well, you get huffy at being told killing it wrong. I’ll just sit back and appreciate someone isn’t gunning for my throat just because I like penis. 

        • Adam Thorn

          First not american but thanks anyway. My response was to his comment which implied the reason he didn’t kill is because god will judge him. Sure if it stops him from killing then keep repeating it. I was just pointing out it’s hardly the right path to take in morals.

    • m6wg4bxw

      Luke 19:27

      • Deekat6

        A parable, one of many. He was not specifying a group to be killed.
         I am just sick of people generalizing all Christians to be haters. I admit there are people who use their faith to justify their terrible means.  I am not one of them!

        • m6wg4bxw

          Parable or not, Jesus said it. If you’d like to translate the parable into some literal, useful language, I’d be interested to review it.

          Complain about your sickness to someone else. I didn’t generalize about anyone. I posted a Bible reference.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Barelli/100000214856808 John Barelli

          Not just a parable, but the sentence is taken out of context.  The “lord” in Luke 19:27 is not referring to Jesus or God, but to a human ruler, who, incidentally, disobeys the biblical injunction against usury. (It helps to read all of Luke 19, which makes it clear.)

          • Dan

             John, that’s a very creative interpretation you have of Luke 19. It is obvious that the parable is not anti-usury, but pro-usury (just another example of the Bible contradicting itself), and that the lord represents Jesus. I’d encourage you to look that passage up in some study Bibles and see how it is usually interpreted. I heard dozens of sermons on that passage growing up and the lesson was always that the lord represented Jesus, that the people who invested were righteous, that the one not involved in usury was wicked, and that God would punish us for failing to do everything we could to serve our “master.”

        • http://twitter.com/Kardashev1 Kardashev

          That’s great, but you serve as a bulwark for those asinine beliefs in the bible. You have taken the bible and applied your own moral code. You don’t hate gays, and every rational and sane person thanks you for that, but your religion does. You don’t like slavery (at least it’s a safe bet), but your religion explicitly states to take slaves, how you can beat them, and that you can pass them on to your children. You probably don’t hate Jews, however, stephen (from the NT, acts, specifically 7:2-53 ) gives a rather long, boring, anti-Semitic speech. Oh, and he was filled with the holy ghost during the speech. See, this is the thing. You are a good person, but cling to ancient superstitions that breed only ignorance, hatred, and a craving for a “judgement day”. I used to be a Christian, and I knew several people who would say “I wouldn’t dislike gays, but my god doesn’t like them.” It’s rather depressing. The Christian religion breeds a lack of co-operation with anyone who doesn’t believe. Jesus said “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad” – Matthew 12:30. Why must good people identify with ancient barbarous divisive beliefs?

    • Carmelita Spats

       His sadistic Father says:

      If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to
      death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” 
      (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

      And so there is no confusion as to issues of “metaphor”, Daddy Dearest clears up a situation regarding “interpretations of the creepy law”…the Law is plain and obvious, there are no riddles:

      “With him [Moses] will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark
      speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then
      were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” (Numbers 12:8)

      The Kid says:

      “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
      tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

      The Kid brays:

      “You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill;
      and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment…”

      Apparently, it’s a He-said, He-said situation and both are the same Person (Three-In-One). Who am I to believe? Just sayin’…Peace.

      • Deekat6

        thanks Carmelita. I’ll know some day. For now I believe in a loving God. I don’t think he hates me for loving others.

        • Thin-ice

          deekat: you are a good person in spite of the Bible’s teachings. You take the good bits, and ignore all the bad, hateful things spoken by the O. Testament God, who, by the way, is the same as the N. Testament God. Remember, he is the same always, “without shadow or variableness of turning”. The plain fact is, if you weren’t a Christian, it is highly likely you would be just as good as you are now.

          You must admit, that other Christians take the Bible’s teachings and use them as a foundation for hatred. Just because you are ignoring those passages, doesn’t make them any less real.

      • Ryan

        Come on people, the Bible also says that vegetarians are weak. So from this I think that vegetarianism should be outlawed. 
        Do you see what I did there? I took a passage, didn’t really use any context and then made it fit my presupposition and prejudice. Does a loving parent punish their child? (If they are a good parent they do). That punishment stems from love, not from hatred. The parent hates the thing the child did, not the child themselves. Let’s take this analogy and scale it up to God who is perfect, when we do something wrong against Him his punishment is death. 

        Now most people will assert that homosexuality isn’t wrong and so undeserving of this punishment. What annoys me here is the hypocrisy in this statement. The same people generally also assert that evolution explains all of our thoughts and actions, that we are driven by an instinct of survival. Evolution only really works if our strongest will/instinct is one of survival. Homosexuality, however, flies directly in the face of instinct to survive. Suddenly you rely on someone else to reproduce, and you sacrifice your own genetic line. It is a selfish gene like Dawkins postulates but not a selfish gene for the sake of survival but one for the sake of pleasure. I mean it seems obvious, if everyone was gay then the human race would die out without the intervention of surrogacy. 

        Since surrogacy is no where near as evolutionarily efficient as one man one woman (or even one man many women, I am not a Mormon by the way trying to argue for polygamy; I have one wife and she is more than enough to handle) then I think there can be three reasons for homosexuality’s existence. It is a negative mutation, in which case if we as humans were driven by evolution we would support laws like the one above. Or it shows that our strongest instinct is actually one of desire(/worship or something), which would imply a big flaw in evolution and actually that we were created beings made for worshipping  God. Or that we are a sinful and fallen race for whom sin is a part of us. 

        • Ryan

          Sorry, I also what to say that I am NOT in favour of this bill. I think it is horrendous. I am also not against gay people before people start insulting me. I am a firm believer that I am as much a sinner as anyone else in the world and that I am only saved by God’s grace through Jesus. In the OT people had no hope to be saved because there was no Jesus so it made no difference when they died (hence the more immediate punishment from God) however now we have a hope in Jesus I think all Christians should be against the death sentence because it is taking away that persons chance to come to Christ. The bible says (in 2 Peter) that God wants all to be saved, so I think it is ridiculous for us to shorten the time in which people could be saved. 

          • TheBlackCat

             The Bible also says in numerous places that God doesn’t want everyone saved, or in fact only wants a very small number saved.  That is the problem, the Bible is so contradictory you can find parts that say just about anything.  The same goes for everything else you say, there are passages supporting it and passages contradicting it.

            • Ryan

              Do you have any particular evidence for this or just an assumption? There are many places in the Bible that say that not everyone will be saved but I can’t think of anywhere which says God doesn’t want everyone to be saved. That was the point of Jesus, in fact there are so many places that talk about Jesus dying for the sins of everyone. By all means quote me two bible verses that you think contradict each other and I will gladly tell you why they don’t. 
              I quite enjoyed the person-below-me’s theory. I’d say the main difference between Christianity and the Greek religion is that in Christianity a man was resurrected. Something which was impossible for an Ancient Greek to believe since they thought that the body was evil and the spirit pure so no one would ever, having died and left their body, come back to it.

              • TheBlackCat

                Try Mark 4:11-12, where Jesus says that he uses parables because he doesn’t want people saved:

                He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!”

                Matthew 13:15 says basically the same thing:

                “For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.”

                I am sure you can come up with some sort of excuse for this, Christians always do, but it doesn’t change the fact that a plain reading of the passages says Jesus is intentionally making himself hard to understand so few people will be saved.

                Christianity and the Greek religion is that in Christianity a man was
                resurrected. Something which was impossible for an Ancient Greek to
                believe since they thought that the body was evil and the spirit pure so
                no one would ever, having died and left their body, come back to it.

                This is simply incorrect.  There are a number of Greek myths about people either returning from Hades or trying to return and failing. 

                That is ignoring the resurrection of gods in Greek mythology, which is not uncommon (in fact pretty much the entire Greek pantheon died and came back to life).

              • Coyotenose

                1.  God caused Pharaoh’s heart to harden.

                2. There are two versions of Genesis in the same book. They don’t match up.

        • TheBlackCat

          The parent hates the thing the child did, not the child themselves.
          Let’s take this analogy and scale it up to God who is perfect, when we
          do something wrong against Him his punishment is death.

          First, your conclusion doesn’t follow.  Why is death the correct punishment?  Or rather, why is eternal torture the correct punishment.

          It also doesn’t apply to the being that created the universe, since it had to have intentionally created us to do the things it then punishes us for.

          Now most people will assert that homosexuality isn’t wrong and so
          undeserving of this punishment. What annoys me here is the hypocrisy in
          this statement. The same people generally also assert that evolution
          explains all of our thoughts and actions, that we are driven by an
          instinct of survival.

          That doesn’t make any sense.  Even if we accept your premise that it is genetic (which I don’t), and accept your premise that whatever gene causes it is detrimental (which I don’t), how does it follow that we should be punishing them for their genetics? 

          To compare to a situation where we know the trait is detrimental and know it is genetic, by your logic we should be punishing everyone with sickle-cell anemia.  Of course we don’t do that because we consider it immoral to punish someone for their genetics to begin with.

          survival. Homosexuality, however, flies directly in the face of instinct
          to survive. Suddenly you rely on someone else to reproduce, and you
          sacrifice your own genetic line. It is a selfish gene like Dawkins
          postulates but not a selfish gene for the sake of survival but one for
          the sake of pleasure.

          The issue is that traits do not have to always be beneficial to survive.  The trait merely has to be more beneficial on average than not having the trait, even if there are potentially detrimental side-effects occasionally.  For example, it may simply be that men loving men and women loving women occasionally is a side-effect of men loving women and women loving men the rest of the time, in which case it is no longer detrimental.

          I also didn’t think it has been conclusively established that homosexuality is primarily genetic, or even genetic at all.

          • Coyotenose

             We have very strong evidence now that it’s epigenetic, as I understand it, though we’re far from having all the major details. Hormone levels cause certain genes to express themselves differently. Note for support that homosexuals exhibit much higher rates of certain epigenetically-determined physical traits than does the general population, such as finger length, hair growth patterns, and left-handedness.

        • Coyotenose

           1. Homosexuals reproduce all the time. This is well known.

          2. You don’t seem to know how Evolution is actually described. There are ways to fix that.

          3. Homosexuality is inborn. This, again, is well known. Whether or not you accept that is irrelevant to what we know about epigenetics and the role of hormones and their effects on gene expression.

          4. It isn’t a mutation. That should be obvious simply from the frequency and widespreadness of homosexuality. I think you’re stuck on the basics of dominant and recessive traits as discovered by Mendel (the stuff we’re taught in school without enough modern context to see that it’s far more complicated) and don’t know about the intricacies of inheritance and development, such as the aforementioned epigenetics. Importantly, note that your later expressed ideas that depend on it being a mutation collapse once it’s revealed that it is not.

          5. Punishing people for what is inborn is sick. In fact, that it’s inborn is irrelevant to how sick it is. It could be a mutation or a deliberate “rebellion” and it would still be malign. The god of the Bible is evil in his pronouncements towards homosexuals in that there is absolutely no harm from homosexuality. It’s as psychotically arbitrary as commanding that people be murdered for working on Saturday or wearing blended fabrics… which he also does.

        • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

          I mean it seems obvious, if everyone was gay then the human race would die out without the intervention of surrogacy.

          Are you really this ignorant? Gay people have children all the time. Always have, and always will. I don’t know why you’re going on about surrogacy, but it is incredibly simple to conceive without having intercourse. All you need is two fertile people, some fresh sperm, and a syringe. That’s it. No sex, no doctors, no fancy technology required.

      • bawks

        I always wonder how that massive switch-around happened… Christianity is a simple translation of the ancient Greek religion, with details tweaked here and there. But one major difference is sexuality. The ancient Greeks were all for same-sex, beastiality, inanimate object humping etc. etc. with the father of the gods himself having sex with pretty much anything that moved, and then in the Christian translation it’s ‘WOAH NOW! ONLY MEN AND WOMEN.” So which boring old tosser in the chinese whisper decided on that awful amendment? 

    • Dan

       Deekay6, I’m genuinely glad that you love gay people despite the fact that you are a Christian, but I’m afraid that your claim that “Jesus never said kill anyone” contradicts the Bible, as was pointed out the God of the OT, who I presume you think was also Jesus, commands the slaughter of women, children, fetuses, and babies all the time. Besides, you have read Revelation, right? Don’t forget about the Jesus of Revelations when you are talking about gentle Jesus, meek and mild; that guy in Revelation is all about killing, leading armies to slaughter people, and torturing people for all eternity.

    • The Other Weirdo

       How convenient. When I was growing up in the Soviet Union, my family had many friends whose defense was usually “…but I have Jewish friends.” Jesus also ordered the destruction of several cities because they wouldn’t follow him; don’t remember that reference right now. Christians can usually do the Pilate: wash their hands, because they have a God who will more than happily condemn whole swathes of people to eternal torture in hell. For all the brutality of the Old Testament, at least once you were dead, you freaking STAYED dead. Christianity doesn’t even let the dead stay dead.

    • Mail

      Jesus and God…supposedly the same thing… Rife with Murder, that one. Christianity must be abolished.

  • Azraelsos

    Holy hell that’s some hateful stuff right there.

  • A3Kr0n

    In Uganda they kill gays but in Wisconsin we elect them senators.
    Go Tammy Baldwin!
    The lady that taught Wisconsin children how to swear (you’re damn right!).

  • Bdole

    From Wiki:
    Rebecca Alitwala Kadaga is single and without any child. She has had previous relationships with women in her early 20′s but has since condemned this lifestyle.

    Huh.

    Maybe she was jilted by a girlfiend?

  • ANTIFAG

    KEEP YOUR HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED SNAKES….AND OUT OF AFRIKA!!! BLESS UGANDA, WHICH WILL BE FAG AND LESBO FREE!!! YESSSSSSSS!!!

    • m6wg4bxw

      Given the recent post about trolls, I am well aware of the “no feeding” sentiment. But I say, “eat shit.”

    • blub blubber

       it’s a developmental step in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy gone different (wrong? we don’t know what “the gay” is for.) even if you kill every gay person, you wont get rid of the “trait” and you will have just as many gays in F2 as you would have had without killing everybody in F1. it’s even less effective than if it was actual easy  genetics, which Hitler tried (same numbers of “affected” in F3). your efforts will be wholly futile and it’s sad to see uneducated people doing things that they don’t understand with outcomes they don’t see. what you might try if you are oh so opposed to being gay is work out what the biological mechanisms are. but once you are able to understand enough to find that out, you will also be wise enough not to tamper with it.

    • Piet Puk

       Flagged for hatefull comment.

    • NickDB

       Please do me a favour and shut the fuck up, us civilised people here in Africa have no issue with LGBT people and think your ilk and this law are abominations.

    • Brian Scott

      If there were any just gods, they would blight your country for its wretchedness. As it is, it will have to be humans who visit vengeance upon you murderers.

  • Auntbonita

    There is no church that I know, that would sanction the killing of a homosexual persona. 

    • Dan

       Are you seriously that uninformed?

    • phantomreader42

       Then you obviously haven’t noticed what thousands of churches have been screaming constantly for decades.  So, are you willfully ignorant, lying, or deaf?

    • Dan

       You haven’t heard about Fundamentalist Muslim churches, Westborough Baptist Church, or mainstream evangelical organizations like Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council who defended this law? You haven’t heart about elected state representatives in the South have called for the death penalty for homosexuality? You aren’t familiar with Christian Reconstructionism movement who also want to re-implement the death penalty, or the group of influential Washington politicians called “the Family” who supported this law behind the scenes?

      • Baal

         I like to forget about “the Family”.  They scare me – particularly that they preach that great men have gods favor (else not great right?) and so anything they do is god’s will (even if this is murder, bizarre sex, keeping semi-slaves or whatever else).  Who is a great man?  Why any man with obscene power like say the guy in charge of Uganda.

    • freemage

       Soft pitch, there: Westboro Baptist Church.

    • http://skepticsplay.blogspot.com/ trivialknot

       I’m betting Uganda has churches, and that they are the bill’s primary supporters.
      Look, I’m right: http://sdgln.com/news/2012/11/12/uganda-speaker-vows-pass-kill-gays-bill-christmas-gift-nation

    • Coyotenose

       Not a church, but it might interest you to know that the Chik-fil-A scandal began, not because the company CEO opposes gay rights, but because he, through his company, was donating millions to anti-gay groups… including the ones supporting this legislation to murder people for being born the wrong way.

      And there is zero chance that people that dedicated to making money were unaware of who was receiving their tax-deductible gifts, given that it has been public knowledge for several years now.

      Whatcha want to bet that Dan Cathy’s church was behind him all the way?

  • http://www.facebook.com/suefreewoman Karen Oakley

    I have no problem with the paragraph re incestuous acts and paedophilia. Death penalty for THOSE fine by me.

    The ‘offence of homosexuality’ is certainly very bad news.

    • amycas

      Giving the death penalty for acts that did not involve the taking of life is not a good idea. If you make rape punishable by death, then rapists will be more likely to kill their victims-because hey, if they let their victim live they could be caught and the punishment would be the same as if they had killed them. If they rape and kill them then they could hide the body, be less likely to be caught, and if they are caught then the punishment is just as severe as if they had only raped their victim. Having a sliding scale of punishments for different crimes prevents smaller crimes from escalating to murder.

    • Sam

       The death penality is never a good idea and a sign of a primitive, uncivilized society. Yes, that also includes the US states that support the death penalty.

  • Miss_Beara

    They can’t spread their hatred fast enough in their own country, so they go to a poor country far far away to spread their hate while going a step further by instituting imprisonment or the death penalty for homosexual behavior, no matter how innocuous it is. 

    The RCC isn’t saying about this because they don’t care. You do hear from them, of course, when marriage equality happens state by state in the US. That, apparently, is the downfall of civilization. 

    There is no reason why any country should give this Uganda aid, at all. It doesn’t even go to the people that need it, why give it to a disgusting government?

  • Debe621

    How can Uganda consider themselves Christians after passing this legislation? I thought Christians were Christ followers. smh… Sad, sad, sad…

    • Stev84

      Where have you been for the last 2000 years? Christians have never been particularly Christ-like

  • Twogonefeising

    So can we also make sure that the people who voted for this are not allowed into our country!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronnie-Bruno/785797237 Ronnie Bruno

    more religious crap

  • Dale

    A christmas gift to murder innocent people.

    How very CHRISTIAN!

    Wow.

    Just fucking WOW!

  • Palynmom

    I am not a christian but WWJD? Never heard of him condemning this…

  • Wise Woman

    The issue is love and who may express it. So many of your responses are full of fear and violence and that is so sad. We all have growing up to do, some more than others.

    • TheBlackCat

       Wait, they are calling for the execution of all homosexuals, and [i]we[/i] are the ones full of violence?  Are you kidding me?

    • RobertoTheChi

      What?!?!

    • Coyotenose

       You’re more offended by the criticism of murderous bigotry than by the murderous bigotry. You’re slime, full of sad fear and violence.

      Oh, and you’re smug in your ignorance. Didn’t Jesus say something about humility, Slime?

  • SeekerLancer

    Hello Christian missionaries. This is your fault for putting it into their heads that the gays are the cause of all of their misery with AIDS. I hope you’re happy. This blood is on your hands.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eukota Darrell Ross

    Yikes. They can now how their very own witch-hunts. Just accuse people of being gay and you can get them killed.

    Scary stuff. I hope 1st world governments follow through on their promises and withdraw support.

  • http://twitter.com/Kardashev1 Kardashev

    “‘Aggravated homosexuality’ is defined as gay acts committed by parents or authority figures, HIV-positive people, pedophiles and repeat offenders. If convicted, they will face the death penalty.”
    Do they realize the number of losses to the clergy they will experience? I don’t understand how liberal Christians can look around and say “that’s not my religion”. When, clearly, it is and has been demonstrated in many places. This just adds to the list. I bet the people who created this law, did so out of their own frustration for not being able to be honest with their own selves.

  • Google10

    Merry Christmas from the guys at C street!
    Any rational person s disgusted

  • blub blubber

     overfunded christianity rears its crusade-head in uganda.  “the family” and other crazy evangelical organizations from the us had a big hand in this and neither the catholic nor the african branches of the anglican church did/could? oppose this. the most nazi-like part of the legislation is that people can be put in jail for 3 years only for NOT REPORTING “gay behavior” to the state. this will lead to the complete dehumanization of the country, gay or not and fascist structures can emerge, depending on the local government. what i don’t get is a) what  american wing-nuts would want in uganda of all places and b) why uganda is so receptive? For b), there was a successful zero-grazing policy (i.e. only 1 wife and maybe 1 girlfriend allowed to keep HIV under control) maybe the societal control and newly emerged “moral behavior” that emerged helped this along? but I still have no clue why the evangelical crazies would be investing in that country. our efforts to get them back to normalcy will be in vain as long as we don’t know the cause… taking education dollars away does not do the process of normalization any good since they must have bribed a good part of their corrupt parliament and they will just say that we are controlled by a “gay agenda” (that they never explain) and they wont bow. to find their motif,  it would be interesting to analyze ugandan laws other than this.

  • Theabundantrosetx

    I got to this blog researching something totally unrelated to this post… but you all have convinced me with your hateful foul mouthed “educated” comments that there really should be a standard for right and wrong.   People should shut up and take loving action with their hands and feet… i.e. love your enemies,  obey your parents,  stop looking at the speck in our brothers eye and take the log out of our own eye, treat strangers with respect, feed them if they are hungry, love your neighbor  as yourself ,  cross the street to help someone especially if they are hurt or crying, esteem others more highly than ourselves and do this and more without needing to boast or complain about it…. and yes,  wrong deserves punishment.    I don’t  know about you but my parents sent me to my room when I hurt them or society or myself and my siblings….  just real basic stuff….and yeah HIS NAME is Jesus….  not church or religion.   He came to those who knew who they were….   no better than anyone else…  a physician who came for the sick…  He spoke against man’s self seeking and self obsessed and abased ways… and then forgave them with HIS life….    ONLY the ignorant dont try to LEARN  how to AGAPE.  May we all listen to the pricking of our hearts in our most private moments with ourselves…”Father forgive us we know not what we do”

    • http://www.facebook.com/neworleansman Joseph Gerrity

       babble, babble, babble.

      Try saying something sometime…

      • Theabundantrosetx

        You seem like an educated man… Try reading “it” sometime…      but don’t forget to ask for help from the one who wrote” it”…   and from linguists,   too.  Bless you Sir.   By the way,  when I quoted Jesus’ prayer from the cross… I was agreeing with his prayer for us all.  I was not condoning murder.  Wrong will meet Right.     And at that time it’s  possible, maybe even probable that the ones that think they are so right in this realm…might have a few surprises,  but I don’t know for sure.

    • amycas

       So, you’re upset because we didn’t have any nice words for the asshats who want to kill gay people? No, I don’t want your morality, you can keep it.

    • Miss_Beara

      We have “hateful foul mouthed ‘educated’ comments” in a thread about a bill that will kill homosexuals. That is what you are complaining about? Not the execution of people, but from language you deem improper? 

      lol. that is all.

    • Brian Scott

      I always try to be fair to all involved when there’s disagreement. But not this time. Not this fucking, gods-blighted time. You’re excuse-making for murder has been noted, you’re mealy-mouthed complaints about “agape” seen for the wretched kafka-trap that it is. Now go away until you can actually talk about the sins of murderers instead of mean ol’ atheists.

      • Theabundantrosetx

        I dont think youre a mean ol athiest…  I had to reread my post… twice.  I did not make an excuse for murder.   I did not comment on it at all,up front, on purpose.   I said there should be a standard for right and wrong and you assumed I was referring to this heinous law.   And you assumed that I agreed with it.   Especially when I mentioned lifestyle habits that led to Jesus being mentioned.  My point is and still is—-If we ALL would stop talking about each others “sins” and talk about our own “sins”  and try to change ourselves… This atrocity and many others might not ever happen.  Possible we could stop fighting and killing each other,  if we all focused on changing ourselves first.     Even if MOST of us did these simple things… then the ones that didn’t own their own stuff would be more obvious….   then again,  it comes down to the thing about agreeing about  what is right and what is wrong.   My adult babysitter actually thought that it was right to have sex with me when I was a child…. get my point?  By the way,  we are all guilty…except of course my brother in law who is never wrong…  and I, am all for admitting my mistakes.

        • Brian Scott

          Fair enough. I withdraw my accusation of kafka-trapping and apologize for being rude and presumptuous to you. That being said, I don’t agree with your evaluation of attitudes here barring some grotesquely racist statements that showed up. I think our anger and reactions are mostly justified based on the heinousness of this law and consider rectifying our tone an incredibly low priority.

          At any rate, I do thank you for your graciousness.

          • Theabundantrosetx

            And thank you back…  There is alot seriously awful wrong on this big plot of dirt…    I really do agree with your strong feelings about this law… it is obvious that it is wrong… But I still hold that WE cannot do anything different about anything wrong until WE get past this “people group” mentality where everyone thinks this and that  about their version of wrong and right…. AND  attack each other personally because of it…   I do realize that this was probably not the best chosen place to suggest a different tactic.   Next time? I will read ALOT of the blog first.  Justified anger starts wars. 

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

              What the fuck are you talking about?  Uganda wants to put to death or jail for life gay people.  There is no people group mentality or whatever bullshit you are pushing.  This is wrong!!  Apparantly you do not understand this.  You should be angered that a government is trying to kill it’s own citizens for being who they are.  The fact that you are not is disturbing.

              • Theabundantrosetx

                I was not talking to you Miss.   Alot of this world makes me angry and alot of it is beautiful.   This law is heinous and I already said that.  Dont go to Uganda.   And I wont go to California.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

                  You comment on here then anyone can reply including me. Don’t like it, don’t comment then.  Whether I go to Uganda or not does not change that what they are doing is horrible.  I do not care where you travel too.  At least here in california we are not executing gays.  We are trying to overturn Prop 8 so gays can be treated with equality they deserve.

    • Drakk

      You want me to “love” the people who want to murder all the gays?

      No, fuck you.

      • Theabundantrosetx

        I am not sure but I gathered that possibly righteous indignation and disregard for human life was the basis for this bill?   your response is the other side of the same coin…   The beginning of change is us.   being accountable with humility…  and who and I will repeat WHO  in all the billions of people on this earth gets to be right???   seriously,  systems are scary….

    • WhereAreMyBeets

      Thank you for your informative post. Please tell me more about this Jesus chap. I’ve never heard of him before. Is he one of those contestants on American Idol?

      • Theabundantrosetx

        No and “he is not the poster child for american prosperity” either.

    • RobertoTheChi

      You’re upset about our ‘hateful, foul mouthed’ comments, but did not mention once why we are angry. Apparently you could give a flying fuck about gays being killed, but have your panties in a bunch over our anger. Un-fucking-believable.

      • Theabundantrosetx

        I did not mention why you were angry because the angry replies I got from some of you proved my point without a doubt.  In my life, anger has fueled anger… channel anger with dignified action and I might make a change…to receive respect, I must give it… Murder of anyone is wrong…isn’t that obvious? 
         By the way, I am a real person with alot of life under my belt… lived in foreign countries and alot of the US… was homeless for 3 years when I was younger and I am sorry that you are hurting.  My gay uncle died very young and the doctors did not know why he was dying.   It made me very sad. …..may I suggest that you might not want to accuse or assume apparently how I feel?   so quick to judge…   I could supply a resume of social action and care for others…. WE should not murder anyone!   But we need to get involved with respect to change things…     

        • RobertoTheChi

          I seriously got a headache from reading your reply. It was all over the place and made no sense. Good grief!

          • Theabundantrosetx

            Your right… I was tired and I apologize.  I was just kindof  really sad at your aggressive presumptuous assumptive personally attacking reply to me.  But I do understand passion about something very very wrong.   It just doesn’t have to get personal.   Do you know someone in Uganda?   Because there is alot of really wrong things here too…..  systems are scary.  especially when they are run by people. 

    • RobertoTheChi

      Your morality and priorities are seriously frightening.

      • Theabundantrosetx

        Love is very scary.       narrow minds are only concerned about people who share their own worldview.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

          Killing gays is not a worldview I want to have.  I guess your open minded enough to be okay with it.  Thankfully I am an atheist with a better morality than that.

        • Miss_Beara

           So you are saying killing gays is a valid worldview now? Was killing Jews and other “undesirables” during the holcaust a worldview we should respect?

    • Coyotenose

       Bigoted people want to murder other people for how they were born, but you are more offended that we’re criticizing them. Shows where your priorities are, “Christian”.

      • Theabundantrosetx

        “bigot—a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions: one who regards members of a group with hatred and intolerance”
        There is alot wrong in this world… and alot right.  Just the way you put forth the title of what you think I am could qualify you for that definition. I commented on the fact of the useless language that would not negotiate any kind of soulution to any problem.      I dont hate you or them… I hate “it”    That this law was passed is abominable.  that we as a species Kill our own… putrid… but,   I have been angry enough to enact violence… have you?     And my priorities are just fine Thank you for being concerned.   Hate has never cured hate.  Most people want to formulate what their version of right is and put that on others…  that is really anarchy…   

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

          You are so sad.  You are actually complaining that we are condemning a country that wants to kill gays.  This is not acceptable behavior for a society to progress.

          • Theabundantrosetx

            I have a tendency to also condemn countries that kill babies.  and….this too. and.that too…. andthis too ….. and….. and your point??????  I really am talking about change… that begins with individual choice to not hate…. the same way that these people who made this absurd law supposedly are putting forth hate.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

              LOL.  Your fucking ridiculous. Yeah I hate people that want to kill gays.  No I will not love them or even tolerate them.  The government of Uganda is doing a horrible and evil act against gays.  There’s nothing there for you to spin. 

      • Theabundantrosetx

        The it I am referring to in my reply below when I say  ” I hate it”  is the evil that causes people to do horrendous things.   I dont hate cussing… I just couldn’t see the point for it all….

  • Jason Horton

    Asylum seekers now have a very strong case for protection and immigration into other, more tolerant nations. Gay Ugandans, whose lives are in danger because of the policies of an oppressive government, should escape as soon as possible. Some of them will be engineers, teachers, scientists, etc. Uganda’s loss will be other countries gain.

  • AchaiaDust

    Ow… my head.. 

  • MaryD

    Most peculiar, and I thought this was a site beloved of cultural relativists.

    Here we have 0.5% of the world’s population finding their own way to cut out an aberration in a most natural way and they are being opposed in a bigoted and racist fashion.

    Celebrate the rich cultural diversity everyone!

    • Brian Scott

      We were never cultural relativists. Your confusing your own deluded map (objective morals) with reality does not mean we cannot evaluate. We evaluate some things to be neutral/irrelevant (cultural practices that don’t hurt people) and others to be wrong (those that do). If you don’t understand that, hit your head until you do.

      Now fuck off your murderer apologist.

    • Coyotenose

       God loves a filthy, lying, murder-loving monster like yourself.

    • phantomreader42

      Mary, isn’t that imaginary god of yours supposed to have some sort of problem with bearing false witness?  

  • Piet Puk

    Should we warn Uganda about a part of the bible they may have missed?
    Hint: It is one of the ten commandments.

    • TheBlackCat

       I am pretty sure that only covers murder, while this, by their standards (and biblical standards), is justified killing, so perfectly fine.

  • Charleskeffin

    I’m all for killing aids infected people who have sex with people who aren’t infected and do not tell their partners that they are infected and infect them. Same goes for repeat pedophiles in extreme cases. The outrage I have is with the other “guilty parties” this law targets.

    • Sam

       I am against killing anyone but even if I thought like you the law would mainly target heterosexual males who are the main culprits in African countries when it comes not telling their partner they are infected. Another problem is the general taboo regarding HIV. Women often don’t dare to ask their partner to use a condom because that would make the guy think they are infected. The perverse is that this anti-gay bill, which is what is it, anti-gay and doesn’t really give a fuck about people dying from Aids,  comes in a disguise of the fight against HIV. They are using gays, both male and female (with the smallest infection risk) as scapegoats for the inablility of the mainly heterosexual population to deal with HIV. Disgusting.

  • world needs apocalypse

    That is just fuckin crazy! I’m not gay, but I do believe in being proud of your individuality. Ok, let’s pass a bill to kill all PPL with green eyes & life in prison if you wear green contacts! Pretty much the same difference! I knew there are alot of homophobes out there, but a whole country of them?! Wow!!!!!=-O

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1631003831 David Thomas Albert

    Them backwards ass African Spear Chunkers…How much more ffucked up can u get besides living in mud huts…Buncha Niggers…

    • Bryan

       The bill is bad enough without your super-racist comments. GTFO, we don’t need your hate.

      • pagansister

         Ditto!

    • kaydenpat

      Hemant should have removed this racist comment already. Surprised it’s here after 3 days.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Hemant Mehta

        Don’t know how I missed this, but it’s deleted now. Thanks!

  • Christinedavis

    you guys have brought all your other bigoted opinions into this conversation. The fact is nobody deserves to be killed just because they are gay, christian, atheist, red, black, blue whatever. Ugandan people will suffer. That’s the whole point.

    • pagansister

      “The fact is nobody deserves to be killed     “—and the rest of what you said. 

  • N Lee Kemp

    Disgusting

  • Majordog2003

    Straight away this issue has become about who is most Politacal Correct. Who gives a fuck. Your get to Heaven dont worry your pretty little arses. Meanwhile how are we going to stop inocent people being put to death? And dont quibble about my spelling. I was born Dyslexic. How PC is that?

  • kearstin williams

    We have freedom of choices as humans and spiritually  but killing is killing No has a right to play god….doing it because what one do behind closed door is evil… I think Blonde is right someone is trying to make a point and using the Africans as bait…. I do believe it come from home..U.s.a.   

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Cherry/508381765 Alex Cherry

    Well, I guess I’m not going to Uganda.  Now, where’d I put that fuel-air bomb?

  • Bgalvagni4

    Wow. Women marry women, men marry men. Its 2012 soon to be 2013. Times have and will continue to change. The world will continue to turn. Get over it. God!

  • AxeGrrl

    This is barbaric, period.

  • Democracy Now!

    Democracy! I say that if the country arrived at this decision democratically then its beautiful. Who are any of your people sitting high and mighty in your western lands, far removed from heartaches and rivers of tears that the people of Africa have witnessed.  DEMOCRACY is finally here. If you weren’t concerned with Africa when it was swimming in the blood of innocence then you shouldn’t be concerned now.

    Plus isn’t democracy the reason you people in the west go around killing the muslim peoples. Assassinating their rulers and then bombing the innocent women and children for DEMOCRACY!!!!

    • Taylor Kenny

       Wow, your message is a bit all over the place.  Murdering gay people for being gay is wrong.  There is such a thing as the tyranny of the majority.  The Nazis were democratically elected, too.  I guess you support them, too.  You’re a clown.

    • kaydenpat

      You must be trolling because democracy doesn’t give you the right to kill gays or any other group of innocent people within your country.

  • http://twitter.com/HFXMermaid Raina Mermaid

    Are you suggesting we stop foreign aid? In my country- the aid we provide goes directly to keeping people alive and healthy. Food, clean water, safety etc. I don’t want gay people to be killed, but I don’t think revoking poverty support that will lead to the death of people- is the appropriate response. Does something need to be done? Yes. Should we let people die in order to protest people being killed? No.

    • Taylor Kenny

       First, foreign aid has never helped a country be self sufficient.  It actually has the opposite effect.  Second, Uganda is not North Korea.  It’s a democracy.  If a starving population chooses to prioritize hate and murder over the foreign aid that keeps them from starving to death, let them starve.

    • Sam

       I agree with Taylor. There is a huge support for those anti-gay sentiments in the population so it is their own fault. Their president actually did manage to stop the bill twice because inlike the monsters who brought it on the way he does seem to care about his people. Cutting/stopping foreign aid is an excellent tool to put pressure on a country.

    • kaydenpat

      What’s the difference between sanctions against South Africa based on apartheid and sanctions against Uganda based on its “kill they gays” bill?

      No difference whatsoever.  Ultimately, the sanctions will force Uganda to abandon this bill and stop persecuting gays.  Just like the sanctions against South Africa led to the end of apartheid.

  • kiwi

    THIS COUNTRY IS AMAZING I’M BUYING A PLANE TICKET IMMEDIATELY

  • Taylor Kenny

    Seriously people.  The really sad thing is that this thread very quickly became about attacking one another verbally.  Imagine a gay Ugandan reading this thread.  He or she is about to face death for being who they are.  This could be precipitating a holocaust against gay people in Uganda.  The implications cannot be understated.  Uganda presented the world with an urgent human rights crisis.  Do we care?  What can we do about it?  Let’s do something!

    It saddens me deeply that we are so fat, happy, petty, and out of touch with reality that this is resulting dialogue to this sickening news.

  • Guest

    look at all of you arguing and fighting about this. Who spells douchebag right and who is or isnt racist. Bottom line this is FUCKING wrong in so many ways. Look at you people fighting with each other. What is the point? Lets all just agree that this is a hateful and disgusting bill and hope that we can do something to change this. Put your energy and time into something positive. COME ON all of you bickering on here is just pathetic.,

  • Lucylou

    Go Christians Go! Another notch in the bedpost of hate!

  • Tony1clark

    People, wake up!!!! This is uber important!! Chic fil asshole donated money to groups working to pass this legislation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachelle.davidson1 Rachelle Davidson

    This is amazingly sad, you people are fighting over who can spell correctly and not sticking to what the real issue is here. People are GAY! I am GAY! I have been hoping that 10 years from now my children would never know of the ignorance in this world when it came to homosexuality but it looks like that will never happen. Bible or no bible, God made me the way I am and I have been told he makes no mistakes.

  • Nadine

    It should be a crime to put to death any and all child sexual abusers and anyone spreading Aids that is a death sentence.   So I guess the only problem I see is if you imprison someone that is gay into a system for life, women with women and man with man how does that help unless they are going to make sure this never happens inside the system?

    • TheBlackCat

       Seriously, that is the only problem you see with a bill that would execute two men or two women for living together in a loving relationship?  Are you insane, or just a sociopath?

    • Sam

       Er, I am not sure why you are talking about child abusers and murderers and HIV in the connection with gays? Because the main carriers of HIV in African countries are heterosexuals and I am not even going to comment on your association of gays with pedophiles.

  • Nadine

    OK, I meant it should be a crime to molest and rape children, punishable by death.

  • Mikeyinphilly

    she’s wearing a pin for breast cancer, so would she prove of a gay woman being executed or life in prison if she had breast cancer? 

  • Mikeyinphilly

    she’s wearing a pin for breast cancer, so would she prove of a gay woman being executed or life in prison if she had breast cancer? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/joyce.anderson.9404 Joyce Anderson

    Good Lord Uganda again?   Idi Amin, child soldiers, tribal massacres by the dozen, now this?  Did God hit this poor place with a stupid stick?  And for all you watchdogs I am not indicting all Africans or people of color about being stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/AldoEsau Aldo Esaú♈

    Are you fucking kidding me? INNOCENT PEOPLE WILL BE MURDERED & YOU GUYS ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT PUNCTUATION & GRAMMAR?!!! What the fuck it’s WRONG with you!!!!!!!.

    What else can you say about a country that has decide kill innocent people just for their sexual orientation besides it’s a douchebag country, ah? it’s not racism it’s common sense for god’s sake!!!

  • Paulrosen

    Helpless or not, this group of sub-human morons should be slaughtered. 

  • Magniphilp

    “The highly religious, highly Christian country” 

    This statement is what makes me angry actually… Christianism is supposed to be about acceptation and living all in peace together. Plus, there is a command saying “Thou shall not kill.” As simple as that. As a christian, I refuse to be associated with these people or any hater group!!! I believe in how we should cultivate peace and love towards each and another and forgetting about our differences to focus on our ressemblences. Something like that is completely inhuman…

  • Zddilmore

    Blame the Ugandans, its not western influence that made these people decide to slaughter innocent people, its a choice they made for themselves. I pray for every single gay man and woman. They make their choices on their own… to live outside of the “normal”, always being judged by people like christians for choosing to live freely. Life is short. Its full of trials and hardships, but it’s also filled with happiness, with that indescribable feeling of joy and laughter. christian, who are you to deny any man or woman that right, to experience any of that, given to them by God himself. Uganda, I am a Christian. I follow my God’s laws and commandments the best I know how. And understand this now: I WILL NEVER ASSOCIATE MYSELF with the rest of you. I stand up for the gays because I know my God loves them as I do. If you have the audacity to murder thousands of innocent people and then to call yourself a christian, oh buddy you are sorely mistaken… There is a place for people like you. Perhaps you’ve heard of it? I call it HELL.

  • Commenter

    The recognition that male homosexuality’s perniciousness puts in jeopardy a society’s well being is nothing new. What is relatively new, however, is ascribing Christianity with the enactment of such laws like the new one in Ugandan. Patriarchy, not its deistic manifestations per se, seems to dislike homosexuality. So if anti-homosexuality laws are good, credit patriarchy; if bad, blame patriarchy as well.   

       

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=561666421 Andy Poolhall

    This is the Law that Chick Fil A  sent $$ to support - 

  • Kev

    2012? 1812 maybe…Heurkkk i’m disgusted…

  • Uganda_Is_Stupid

    Uganda is going to become extinct at this rate. -m- Most stupid law Ever heard..

  • Sam

    Sickening. I expect  my country ( Germany) to heavily reduce or completely cut all foreign aid to Uganda.

    • Ravera

      After Germany’s genocide against Namibian, when are they gonna get heavily sanctioned for that? Where the justice for the descendants of the 100,000 killed? Any reputation? Guess not. Keep your aid.

  • Barnabas

    All you westerners do not understand. Gays should be punished, it goes against the human nature

    • http://www.facebook.com/aaron.quevedo2 Aaron Quevedo
    • Drakk

       Fuck you with a rake.

    • Eeveeguru

      You sir, are clearly not in the right place to be saying this.  And love, kindness, and peace, are what separate human nature from the cruel, animalistic nature of  how people against equality behave, like beasts of prey.  If hatred is human nature, you are living amongst the wrong humans.

  • Commenter

    Christians versus Jews: This battle royal has been going on for a very long time.

  • kaydenpat

    Very sad for Ugandan LGBTs.  Wonder how long Ugandans believe they can last without foreign aid and tourism.

    • Ravera

      I find it very sad that Europe is still trying to regulate Africa. It seems colonization never ended, only expanded through bribes and sanctions. The European country just think the can wave little pieces of dog scraps over African’s head, and they will obey. That’s why I support this bill, because it promotes self-govern and a form of independence. Uganda has the right to promote whatever laws they want. I sick and tried of Africans not able to express their their culture because it doesn’t promote western idealism. You wouldn’t say that to China, now would you? AFRICA FOR AFRICANS!

  • Lesbian Lover

    Well let let me start off by saying that if  ”god” or whom ever you belive in was here at this point in time you would be shunned straight to hell!! one for judging your fellow man and second for the bible clearly says love thy neighbor !! how is that loving thy neighbor>? it is not !!!!!
     
    And for some one to say its a  gift !! are you insane ?who tought you Right From Wrong>??
     how can killing someone for there choice in there sexual oriantation be god’s work?? why dont you worry about REAL problems like Aids or Hunger .. you will never understand whats going on in this life time or ever if you think Killing  is the solution! people with that mentality will be dealt with!!! for every death caused by your rediculous thought you will pay … Death is not a optional punishment nor will it ever be … people like you make me sick!!! dont worry for you will be dealth with when YOU Die …all those innocent people ….we are all Human With a right to our Mind Body’s & Soul!

  • Lesbian & Loving it!

    what’s NEXT killing All HomoSexual Animals from the Animal Kingdom!! as a Intellectual Beign we should focus on REAl important issues like the fact that people think Death is an option as punishment!!!

  • Lgwilson49

    Who CARES what relig group bankrolled it?  The Fact is that UGANDA PASSED IT.   This is a ‘country’ that gave us Idi Amin.  CUT off any and ALL Aid to this country.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=824814616 Toure Coffey

    Irrespective of who spawned and promoted this idea, that the cabinet of the this African country does not view this  bill as  an immoral  action is frighteningly stupid !

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=824814616 Toure Coffey

    The blame should be firmly place on Christian Dogma.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.moore2 David Moore

    In my own humble opinion, both the Ugandans and their American counterparts are guilty of committing crimes against humanity for legalizing the murder of human beings for a crime of existence. People should not be executed solely for being gay, any more than they should be executed for their skin tone, their religion, their national heritage, or their gender or sexual identity. The world has gone mad with blood lust, and is far too quick to draw the sword and the gun. We need to pressure our leaders in Washington to use their power in the United Nations to put punitive sanctions on the Ugandan government. Furthermore, we need to pass legislation that limits organizations from interfering in the political affairs of foreign governments.  The deaths of innocent gay men and lesbian women will leave blood on the hands of many in both the United States and Uganda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/djfeltman Dan J Feltman

    The United States and every other civilized country needs to boycot Uganda and cut off all support to this hate run country. I for one do not want a single penny of my taxes going to support a country that kills its own citizens over the hate of a so called religion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501868334 Jeffrey Williamson

    It isn’t racist to call these people “douchebags”. It may be offensive to bags of douche, but they’ll just have to cope.

  • Mockitt Ayns

    i wonder what uganda would do if the rest of the world passed a kill the blacks law.
    from people who were enslaved and treated as animals its a fucking joke
    for them to pass the unequality they once had onto other bunch of
    people who cant help who they are. racism is no different than
    homophobia and i’m starting to believe its no wonder some people are so
    racist towards these places when they live in the fucking dark ages
    acting like animals.
     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GLUG555WJR537T3TZGC2ZTWW4 bernie d

    if Uganda follows through with this death penalty, after the first homsexual they kill then the leaders need to be put to death for a wrongful death sentence, everyone NEEDS TO GET IT THROUGH THEIR HEAD BEING A HOMOSEXUAL ISN’T A CHOICE, A PERSON IS BORN THAT WAY. NOT NO ONE IS GONNA TELL ME DIFFERENT. iT’S JUST LIKE THE SONG LADY GAGA WROTE AND SANG BORN THIS WAY, I THINK ALL OF THE HOMSEXUAL NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND PROTEST AND WHILE PROTESTING BORN THIS WAY NEEDS TO BE PLAYED IN REMEMBRANCE OF ANY HOMOSEXUALS THAT IS MURDERED. BECAUSE IT’S NOT RIGHT, NOT RIGHT AT ALL THE GOVERNMENT IN UGANDAN GOVERNMENT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS, THEN THEY WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE BURNING IN HELL

  • Orangepeachatl

    Disgusting backwards uneducated country.

  • Eeveeguru

    And I was juuussstttt starting to have some hope for the human race……..  And now I’m watching my hopes, fly, fly away, as doves at a wedding, and transform into buzzards, circling the nation of Uganda, waiting for their first kills.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=589888740 Steven Burr

    So you go to jail and become someones bitch, it all works out in the end!

    • Eeveeguru

      There is soooooo much wrong with what you typed.   Just, so, much wrong.  Not funny.  Prison rape is not funny, nor is denying the rights of gays.  Just, no.  Go re-evaluate your life, please.

  • Jenniferjunior

    I fail to see how this is a ” highly religious, highly Christian country”

    • Lire0204

       then you know nothing about christians or christianity

  • Joshua

    Leave it to the women, especially white ones, to make it look like its ok to be a nasty homosexual. Which decent, normal man inserts his penis in faeces. They’re all NASTY and if you condone it you’re NASTY too.

    • Crazydaysandnights

      No-one actually cares what someone clearly emotionally and mentally disturbed as you are thinks, Joshua. 

    • ostracario

      Oh Joshua, you know so little.  I’m a gay man who’s been with his same-sex partner in a loving, caring, 23 year monogamous relationship and we are so far from being “nasty” that we’re actually quite boring.  No worries.  We’re not “practicing homosexuals” because we perfected it a long time ago.  Not that we have time for inserting our penis’ into any orifices as we’re too busy working to pay our mortgage and other bills.  And we also volunteer down at the homeless shelter.  I would suggest that you follow our lead and help those in need instead of tapping out hateful, troll-like rants on your keyboard.  God bless!

  • http://twitter.com/maxomai maxomai

    This article is inaccurate. The bill is still in committee. Moreover – and this is very good news – the death penalty provision now appears to be out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20463887

  • Gotpairashooters

    Wow. Christians huh?

  • Lire0204

      love when
    ‘christians” say, oh but the god i believe in is
    different, im a real christian and they are not…really, your a
    christian who ignores the bible and cherrypicks all the “jebus is love
    bits”, how original

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Calhoon/100003714665586 Dakota Calhoon

    This is a good example of what happens when you dont have the guts or the insight to stand up for the things you believe in, and instead, hanging onto the words of sociopath dictators like sheep. These people are WEAK.  Pity their brothers and sisters who are born into this naive mindset.

  • http://handsomefatman.com/ Carlos Alexandre

    This stupid species.

  • Calitanbwoy

    Karma is a bitch, they ll see it soon

  • Joviahayat

    let me BE VERY clear to whoever thinks my country Uganda should take every trash ,deviance behavior like homosexuality THAT Uganda has a country has already criminalized homosexuality……..the people of ugandan will without hesitation give a mob justice SHOULD the gov’t fails to whoever is found quilty of this act.we call it a crime and the BIBLE calls it  SIN. MANY WESTERN COUNTRIES HAVE FAILED TO TEACH THEIR CITIZENS GOOD MORALS,WE WILL SHOW YOU!

    AND TO THE GAYS,SLEEPING WITH AFELLOW MAN IS SICKNESS,I CAN’T EVEN IMAGIN THAT .AWOMAN ONTOP OF A FELLOW WOMAN…..SO SAD, WHAT A SHAMED!!………..DISGUSTING,GROSS OH!!GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!

    IN THE NAME OF JESUS I CANCEL THE DEMONIC COVENANT OF MAN SEEKING A FELLOW MAN FOR SEXUAL SATISFACTION..THE SAME FOR LESBIAN.
    GOD SAVE SUCH PEOPLE,AMEN 


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