Apologist Matt Slick, After Getting Slammed on The Daily Show, Looks for Evidence of Homosexual Bullies

The Daily Show aired this segment earlier in the week about how Christians have it sooooo rough:

Well, Matt Slick, the apologist at the center of the interview, appeared on Christian radio host Janet Mefferd‘s program yesterday to talk about the segment.

He’s shocked — shocked! — that the show’s producers edited his segment! And that they didn’t show him talking about Jesus. And that they didn’t promote his website. And that they quoted him verbatim, thus making him look like a bigot.

The best part may be near the end of his segment. On The Daily Show, Slick claimed that Christians were beaten up and bullied by gay people, a claim that reporter Samantha Bee mocked pretty mercilessly. On Mefferd’s show, at the 19:30 mark, Slick puts out a call to any Christian who’s been beaten up or bullied. He wants to hear from you!

Sounds like he can’t back up his claim, so he’s desperately looking for evidence that could make him look like he wasn’t lying out of his ass.

Which is pretty much what apologists attempt to do for a living, so you’d think Slick would be better at this by now.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • 7Footpiper

    And with their love of lying (and not in the Leviticus sense) he won’t have to wait long.

  • Rain

    And that they didn’t promote his website.

    Some folks were wondering in another thread why people go along with being interviewed on the Daily Show when they know they’re gonna get the raspberries. Well there’s your answer right there, lol.

    • Alice

      This is a prime example of why fundies need to watch more TV.

      • Liam

        And get a real education.

        • Alice

          Yes, but I meant that if they watched TV, they would have known what they were getting into when they went on the show.

  • Sarah-Sophia

    Perhaps someone out there felt so desperate to hide the fact that he’s gay by being a bully. But the homophobic conservatives will say that being gay made him a bully, instead of the fact that he lived among a patriarchal community that says that the best way to show that you are “manly” (i.e. hetero) is by being violent and attacking the “effeminate” guy who likes to pray instead of playing sports. (Religious and Nonreligious both have their athletes and non-athletes).

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      kind of like Mark Driscoll

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I don’t have anything against anti-gay bigots, I just don’t understand why they have to flaunt it in everyone’s faces. ;-)

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Sometimes they even show affection in public. Who wants to see THAT?

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        I know. Why do they have to talk about it all the time? Why can’t they just keep it to themselves?

        • Miss_Beara

          What am I suppose to tell my child if she sees anti gay bigots parading their anti gay pride in our faces 24/7?

          Would someone please think of the children!!!

        • mobathomr

          For me, this comment and others following it is much stronger and much easier to agree with when considered with the alternate paraphrase I suggested. Spread it around.

      • mobathome

        Would this be a stronger and more cutting paraphrase if you had written “Sometimes they even show anti-gay bigotry in public. Who wants to see THAT?”

    • skinnercitycyclist

      So it’s up to me to say that I do not like having anti-gay bigotry shoved down my throat? Now THAT’s some low-hanging, pendulous, sweaty fruit.

    • INGENIOUS

      I don’t have anything against homosexual bigots, I just don’t understand why they have to flaunt it in everyone’s faces.

      • RobMcCune

        You’re not parodying anything, you’re just acting like the kind of idiot being parodied, genius.

  • Jonas

    Around 13:31 on the mefford show they talk about Slick being in the ‘Gay’ friends straight wedding, and Mefford classifies is as “repudiating homosexuality”

    Ahm – no – Mefford – That would be viewing his former lifestyle as a sin, not necessarily true. — Perhaps he was and is Bi, and is simply committed monogamous for the time — Well I mean for life, because straight people never get divorced :).

  • LesterBallard
    • decathelite

      I wonder if he’s going to claim he’s being persecuted by his daughter?

      • LesterBallard

        Wouldn’t surprise me; and she deserves a medal just for coming out of that mess. The only thing worse would be coming out of the Phelps clan.

        • pirate_froglet

          Which we know can happen. A couple of them seem to have turned out on the side of sanity, despite the family’s best attempts.

    • Daniel Brown

      Thanks for sharing this!

    • DougI

      She also posted on this forum back in May and pretty much repeated her statements about her dad. I used to post on his CARM forums back when his site was new. He was such a hateful a-hole (no surprise I got banned, because he hates people smarter than him, which is pretty much everyone).
      http://www.mmoutreach.org/wim/2012/02/24/stubble-straw-and-scarecrows-diane-sellner/

      “I’m Matt Slick’s eldest kid, Rachael Slick, and I remember him ranting about you. He /hated/ you.

      In any case, he’s insane, anti-woman, sexist, and only employs those who
      think like him. Diane’s got his back, though I really think she
      shouldn’t, since she knows how much of a shithead he is.

      I remember crying at night, asking God why he hadn’t let me be born a
      boy. Or speaking very negatively to other women and feeling disgust at
      anything feminine. Or trying my hardest to be as masculine as possible.
      Because women were weak and not to be treated with respect.

      This sort of stuff is very damaging, and though I don’t know both sides
      of the story, I’m glad you’re speaking out against this oppression of
      women so common in religion.”

      • LesterBallard

        I remember that now, the part about Diane struck my memory.

  • decathelite

    His whole write up is a hoot.

    How did he not have the common sense to investigate who was interviewing him? Even after he acknowledges he knew it was Comedy Central?

    He seems to think freedom of speech is being able say what he wants, without anyone mocking him, and if anyone does, he is being persecuted. It’s bizarre.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      Bizarre is not the word I would have choose. I cannot even think of a word to describe it, at least not at this moment.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        sociopathetic

      • trj

        Typical?

      • pirate_froglet

        Christian?

    • Gus Snarp

      This is an interesting statement:

      Miles assured me more than once over the phone that their intent was not to mock, but to represent the Christian view accurately.

      Honestly, if that is indeed what Miles said, then he was lying and it’s unethical. I enjoy the Daily Show, I think it’s funny, I think you’re a fool if you do one of those segments and expect not to be mocked, but I also think it’s pretty low to repeatedly claim to an interview candidate that you’re not going to mock them. If that’s what he really said.

      These segments always make me uncomfortable because it’s clear that they’re edited to make the person look as bad as possible, but I also know that it’s intentionally done to point out how real news outlets can selectively edit interviews to make them look the way they want. Intelligent viewers should recognize that, but I think even when people consciously realize that, they still make the mistake of thinking they’re actually getting something real out of the interview anyway.

      But that aside, they shouldn’t be lying in advance.

      • WOOK

        Yeah, but they’re making fun of Christians, so everyone here’s totally cool with it.

    • Gus Snarp

      I really liked this bizarre bit of rationalization:

      “So, you want to be able to tell homosexuals they are going to hell.” I replied with (and I paraphrase again), “No, that’s not it. We want to be able to tell people, homosexuals, anybody, everybody, that they need Jesus in order to escape the judgment of God. All sinners need to find Christ.”

      Like he doesn’t realize that “the judgment of God” means “going to hell”. I expect he knows his theology well enough to know exactly what it means. “Tell people, homosexuals, anybody… that they need Jesus.. to escape the judgment of God” means “tell homosexuals they are going to hell.”

      Maybe I shouldn’t really question the ethics of the Daily Show lying to someone so versed in the subject himself…

  • Trickster Goddess

    I personally have known many Christians who have been bullied…by other Christians.

  • Guest

    I’m not gay. But against my better instincts, if I were going to beat someone up, it would be this douchebag.

  • kielc

    No matter what one’s sexual orientation is, this guy almost makes you want to beat him up.

    • Phil

      Even Quakers want to beat him up.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        If Luddites had TV’s they would beat him up.

        • Liam

          NeoLuddites have websites, why not TV?

          For example
          http://www.luddites200.org.uk/

          • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

            Well they would be “Neo” then.

  • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

    Janet Mefferd Show-6/20/2013 Comments closed!

  • C Peterson

    I didn’t realize anybody was claiming that all homosexuals are saints, and can’t be bullies. What is finding one supposed to prove? Obviously, in the U.S., anybody that gets bullied is likely to be a Christian. That doesn’t mean they were bullied because they were Christian, however. No doubt, he’ll find some Christian who got beat up by a gay person, and use that to “prove” that Christians are every bit as abused as gays.

    Slick is a real piece of work.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      All you have to do is Google “gay man beats up homophobe” and you will find plenty of videos. I’m sure a few of them are Christians.

      A Gay Couple Beats Up Homophobic Man

      http://youtu.be/gzpnJQxkXBc

      • C Peterson

        A gay man beating up a homophobe might constitute violence that many would disapprove of, but I don’t think it’s likely to be “bullying”.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

          You and I don’t see it that way but the asshat this story is about very well might or at least use it in a way to fit his objective.

    • Liam

      Just like when any minority fights for its rights: they have to all be better than the best because one imperfect member will be used as proof that they all should be hanged.

  • Yoav

    On Mefferd’s show, at the 19:30 mark, Slick puts out a call to any
    Christian who’s been beaten up or bullied. He wants to hear from you!

    What happened to just making a story up and then repeating it again and again as evidence for your claim and then circularly citing the other fundi websites and fix noise shows that repeated it as sources?

  • ant-eye-christ

    I truly expected Samantha Bee to ask him to site a case where a Christian had been bullied by a ‘homo’, but she didn’t. Guess it would have pretty much ended the interview right there.

  • flyb

    Around 19:20 on the Mefferd show recording, Slick actually says atheists “can’t think critically.” lol

  • http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

    Love Todd’s reaction to the Clorox comment.

  • DougI

    I doubt they had to edit it much, it’s not difficult to get Matt Slick to look like an idiot, he does it all himself.

  • revyloution

    Proof of Gay on straight physical violence:

    http://imgur.com/x9X7JuU

    It happens people, we need to be aware.

    • allein

      That’s awesome.

  • ORAXX

    A brilliant take down of a sanctimonious prig. This man doesn’t want to be tolerated, he wants to be deferred to, and when the deference to which he thinks he’s entitled is withheld, he starts crying persecution. History speaks loud and clear as to the level of tolerance exhibited by Christians when they held the power of life and death.

  • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

    Wait just a doggone minute. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Stop the presses. Back up the truck. Put the chocks back down.

    THAT GUY WAS ACTUALLY A REAL CHRISTIAN? And more to the point he’s some sort of Christian leader? Like, he wasn’t some gay actor pretending to be a Christian for the laughs? Because I saw that segment before I saw the writeup here and thought it was hilarious how they got some guy to play this total jerk of a Christian bigot and make sure to hit all the funniest and most ludicrous talking points and make bigotry look as stupid as it was humanly possible to do. I thought this was a comedy bit, not an actual interview.

    You’re telling me this guy is not only NOT an actor pretending to be a caricature of Christian bigotry but actually very sincerely holds those views.

    I’m at a total loss for words.

    • maddogdelta

      Not only that but he debated Matt Dillihunty on The Atheist Experience… He had a whole “rational” argument for the existence of a god, and he just couldn’t grasp the concept that think about something, and the something being thought about were different.

      If they were the same, then I would have been living with Jennifer Anniston years ago…

    • Blue

      That’s what I thought too, Captain Cassidy! I thought they must have hired an actor. The bit about the gay friend sitting beside him in a hot tub, and how they went dancing all the time… I thought for sure that had to be scripted. Comedy gold.

  • Aguz

    You mean that the segment know for being heavily edited for comedy was heavily edited? Shocker!

  • Reginald Selkirk

    He should turn the other cheek.

    • sk3ptik0n

      More interested in turning in the other check.

  • Matthew Baker

    Slick should stick to mutilating the TAG argument and avoid appearing on shows like the Daily Show. They should have asked him to show his Professional Victimhood Card–he should be a few hole punches away from a free Martyrdom for Self-righteous Causes.

  • Eric D Lloyd

    The most ironic thing is that the Daily Show actually made made Matt Slick’s point for him.

  • Booya Bible

    They are so bigoted against my bigotry!

  • Ben

    Apparently, Matt Slick went on Dr. Michael Brown’s radio show as well recently to complain about this some more.

    You might remember Dr. Brown from the time when he claimed to be wiser than a certain Christian named Dannika just because he was older.

    Check it out here (it lasts for the first 40 or so minutes): http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2013/07/03/dr-brown-interviews-christian-apologist-matt-slick-and-jewish-psychologist-bernard-starr/.

    At one point (apologies, as I’m in a public library and can’t listen to the broadcast again out loud to pinpoint the exact moment), Dr. Brown claims that the younger generation is being “brainwashed” by shows like The Daily Show, and Matt Slick joins in.

    Apparently, Matt Slick had a secret recording device on him when he went on The Daily Show to play what really happened. They compare some clips on Dr. Brown’s program to see if he was unfairly edited.

    I’d love to know anyone’s thoughts on this.

  • Justin

    Actually, he has audio of it on his site: http://carm.org/matt-slick-daily-show

  • trip7600

    Feel the liberal love and tolerance for opposing viewpoints. The Daily Show made Matt Slick’s point for him. You can visit his website and discover the behind the scenes deception of the Daily Show. Personally, I would have advised him to skip the show since they have no interest in the truth.

  • Matt

    And…. the full story goes overlooked. Love the daily show, love to get my laughs. However, Hemant, you should do a little checking before you take a comedy shows edited dish as the ‘gospel’ truth.

    Full story and transcript here:

    http://carm.org/matt-slick-daily-show

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      1) The Daily Show always edits their interviews. Everyone knows that.

      2) The full transcript doesn’t make Mr. Slick look any better. The editing might have made it funnier, but it didn’t substantially change anything he said or his overall message.

      • WOOK

        Um, yes it does. Did you even read this?

        They specifically wanted him to talk about gays “beating straights up.” He said “I don’t know about bullying where homosexuals go out and find straights to beat up.”

        They took out the “I don’t know” part, which flips his meaning completely.

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          He still made the claim that gay people beat up straight people. He referenced one case from 1999 that wasn’t bullying- it was straight up kidnapping, rape, and murder. He also claims, repeatedly, that he’s “sure” it happens that homosexual men bully straight men, but he just can’t think of any incidents.

          So while the clip suggests he claimed knowledge of incidents that he actually didn’t, the core claim that gay people seek out straight people to beat up is actually in the transcript he posted!

          I don’t know about bullying where homosexuals go out and find straights to beat up. I’m sure it happens though.

          Seriously. It’s the next line. They combined two separate lines to make Matt Slick look like he was saying exactly what he actually said, just in a pithier way.

          • WOOK

            What a crock. If you keep reading after that, he says it in the vein of “everybody beats everybody up sometimes,” not in the way it’s being portrayed. And we’re still left with the fact that he was blatantly lied to by the producers.

            This situation is a great litmus test to find out which skeptics care about fair play and truth, and which just wanna see the other side beat up. I guess you’re in the second group. That’s a shame.

            • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

              I hate to tell you this, but they didn’t mock him and make him look bad. He did that all by himself.

              He specifically played down bullying and abuse of gay children by Christians by trying to argue that “every group beats people up sometimes”, while ignoring the overwhelmingly one-sided impact of the bullying and the fact that Christians who bully gays are often unpunished and even rewarded by their communities for their “righteousness”. Matt Slick said what you say he said in the vein you claim, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is dead wrong. There is tons of evidence that gay people are singled out for bullying by Christians. There is no evidence that gay people seek out Christian people to bully. Matt Slick is a homophobe and a bigot, and this transcript shows his ignorance and prejudice just as clearly as the Daily Show interview. No one had to edit the interview to make Slick look bad. His words speak for him, both in the clip and in the transcript. They give the same horrific message.

              As for the producers lying to him- I’d really like a transcript of that conversation. People like Slick are perfectly capable of hearing what they want to hear, not what was actually said, and I’d need to hear both sides of that little story to even try to come to a conclusion.

              • rational

                Amen to that.

  • idontgetit

    I was on carm, being a universalist Mr. Slick thought we were the scum of the Earth, even beneath Atheist. Its funny he rants on about being misquoted, he seems to do that on a regular basis on his website, to Catholics, Mormons, Atheist, Evolution, Age of the Earth, EO, Universalist, and so on. I know the time I was there I was actually looking for answers and god forbid even hope and what I found was every single word was dissected, tortured and thrown back in your face. You had to tow the party line or get blasted. When you are in the club or want to be a member of the club it hurts when you are told you hate Jesus and mock His sacrifice. Having been told I was Jesus puke for a few years I left carm, no good news there, just a bunch of empty rhetoric. Mr Slick I would care less what theology you follow, make up with your kid, they are actually real in the here and now. Oh and hitting a kid with leather straps, if that is true, is well abuse. Might want to look into that part of your theology as well. She is your daughter, person up, and reach out to her. Put all the clap trap aside and just reach out.

    God I hate apologetic ministries, what a complete waist of time. Why would a all powerful God need defending?

  • Ed Garrett

    On The Daily Show, Slick claimed that Christians were beaten up and bullied by gay people… // He’s right. // http://gnli.christianpost.com/video/the-consequences-of-homosexual-marriage-12530

    • Lyra Belaqua

      You’re kidding, right? This was chock full of christians feeling persecuted because of a changing society that now accepts homosexuals. And because a few gays with loud mic used some angry and in-your-face language to state they don’t care about anti-gay people gods or a cross was grabbed from a protester (this according more to the commentator), I highly doubt this could be construed as “beaten up” or “bullied”.

      I see no physical attacks, no verbal retorts that were likely without instigation (please tell me that christians proseletyzing a few select verses from their holy book is not a verbal attack and condemning anyone who disagrees with hell).

      Stupid video.

  • stevie tellatruth

    Uh, sir, I’d like to inform you that this video DOES indeed validate the claim Slick was mocked for: the media(through use of humor) bullies Christians for being “intolerant”.

    I…just …thought I’d let ya know that.

  • Pepsi2theMax

    I guess Christians don’t have to wait around to be bullied by gays when they have atheists like you to do it for them! If you are intolerant of Christians (whom you view as bigotted hypocrites) how does that make you any better than them? You should be ashamed of yourselves.


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