Swedish Women Drop Burkas and Enter Stockholm Mosque Bare-Breasted; Pandemonium Ensues

So this happened in Sweden on Saturday:

At 11 o’clock on Saturday, [they came] into the Stockholm mosque [in] Södermalm, threw [their] clothes [away, and,] with clenched fists in the air, they shouted in English:… “No to Sharia! No to oppression! Free women!”

Skip the first twelve seconds of the following video unless you speak Swedish. The rest is in English. (Please do not click play if women’s breasts offend you.)

The raven-haired young woman is Aliaa Elmahdy, a secular Egyptian activist and women’s rights advocate who now lives in exile in Europe (link NSFW):

In 2011, while living in Egypt, she uploaded photos to her blog in which she wore nothing more than a flower in her hair, red shoes, and thigh-high polka-dot stockings. This was, she claimed, a form of protest against “the oppression of women in Egypt.” After the image went viral and she began receiving death threats and was kidnapped, the 21-year-old was given political asylum in Sweden.

Breasts, for whatever reason, have the power to shock, and I don’t think shock tactics such as semi-nude disruptions of religious services will make atheists more loved anywhere on the planet. Not even in live-and-let-live liberal Sweden.

We can probably agree that disturbing the peace is against the law for a reason. Groups of people should be able to come together for worship or companionship unhindered.

And yet — every movement needs its outliers, and I understand perfectly where Elmahdy is coming from. When you’re deliberately outrageous, people can hardly ignore you, and you just might force them (after everyone has calmed down) to begin questioning a little bit of what they stand for. Writing blog posts or having a nice panel discussion in a cultural café in Stockholm isn’t the same, and doesn’t carry the same urgency.

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • Ders

    My fluency in Swedish so rarely benefits me. Always proud of my home country’s secularism though.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Called them whores but said they didn’t get fucked. Someone needs to learn the meaning of whore.

    As for the breast, if that was the local news imagine if they showed that in the United States. People would freak the fuck out.

    • WallofSleep

      Nudity of any kind turns children into serial killers, dontchya know. That’s why we breastfeed through black-out sheets and bath in our clothes here. Can’t take any kind of risk.

    • Randay

      Muslim clerics love to call unsubmissive women whores. But those same clerics are pimps. They get usually young men to pay with their and others’ lives in hope of getting laid in paradise. If the Mosques just used some of their money to pay for sex workers for part of their followers, they would be doing everyone a service.

      I strongly disagree with the analysis of “disturbing the peace”. How was anyone hindered? Often it is necessary and in this case there was no violence, though even violence, maybe I should say passive resistence provoking police violence, might be justified at times. Recently in Tunisia, four women were arrested for exposing their breasts in public and are now appealing a sentence of 4 months in jail.

      • SocraticGadfly

        There is the issue of
        private property, rights to privacy and rights to religious freedom,
        whether here in the US or the Swedish equivalent. To everyone applauding
        this, what if Randall Terry barged into, say, CFI headquarters, started
        sprinkling water around, and said he was baptizing people?

        • Tim

          Private property into which the public had been invited.
          The equivalent would be Randall terry sprinkling water around a CFI public meeting.

          • SocraticGadfly

            Still private property. Public is normally invited onto private property with certain expectations of reasonable behavior, etc. Beyond that, while worship services are “open to the public,” they’re open to the public in the context of being worship services.

            • Randay

              Once on a very hot summer day I went into a Catholic church in Paris not during services. The doors were open and it was nice and cool inside. I was the only one in there and sat down and started reading a newspaper, didn’t say a word. I guy came along and told me that I had to leave though I was well-dressed and not bothering anyone. He told me especially because I was reading the anti-clerical satiric paper “Le Canard Enchainé”.

          • Randay

            Yes, and who would care? You should mention that it is holy water.

        • Randay

          Oh, the sacrosanct private property. Tell that to many environmental protesters. It is a public place like a shopping center, which is technically private property. The women in Tunisia I mentioned were arrested in the street.

          • SocraticGadfly

            Nope. A mall’s not public property, either. It’s private property, not “technically private property.” Selective interpretation of laws can always be used against oneself as well as for oneself. You know, you and a lot of others really need to read/see “A Man for All Seasons,” namely how More demolishes Roper’s somewhat analogous attempt to selectively apply the law.

            • Randay

              You should read or see it. What was More arguing other than the right to follow his conscience?

              • SocraticGadfly

                Obviously, it’s been a long time since you’re read/seen it, since you didn’t even respond to what part of the play or movie I was referencing. So, I’ll quote More’s reply to Roper for you:

                “What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? … And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you – where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s, and if you cut them down — and you’re just the man to do it — do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!”

                And, that said, I’ve wasted about enough time on this thread.

                • Randay

                  Well you have wasted my time. Using More as a defender of Man’s laws is rather daring as he arrested protestants for having protestant books and jailed “heretics” and burned six at the stake. Your citation is different from the one Hitchens quoted, but the idea is the same. But it is a question of “God’s” law as More was a fanatic Catholic who opposed Henry the VIII taking supremacy over the Pope.

                  As to the play, it has More saying, “”What matters is not that it’s true, but that I believe it; or no, not that I “believe” it, but that “I” believe it.” The apostrophes are to indicate stress.

                • SocraticGadfly

                  And, you’ve wasted my time in thinking you would actually try to understand the quote, or address it, or what More was getting at in the quote at hand. I never claimed that I was defending More in general.

        • OkieRhio

          “what if Randall Terry barged into, say, CFI headquarters, started sprinkling water around, and said he was baptizing people?”

          He’d get laughed at. A LOT. Then quietly removed and charged with Trespassing.

      • Dave Langers

        Public nudity may not hinder, but it is against the law (not sure about Sweden, but I assume the same there). Let’s say it is considered distasteful. Perhaps it shouldn’t be, but then we should change the law. I don’t think I would necessarily favour such a change, but that wasn’t so much the point here anyway. The point was that women shouldn’t be stoned to death for this stuff. And there I am sure that I utterly agree.

        • islandbrewer

          There aren’t really many public nudity laws in Sweden (Although there are some local regulations and rules about wearing swimwear in public pools, I recall). Also, I don’t think that topless counts as nudity in Sweden.

  • http://gadlaw.com gadlaw

    Yeah well even if she’s just an exhibitionist, an activist or a bit of a loon nothing she has done is worth death threats. It shows how tiny minded some people are and how afraid some men are of women and the sexuality of women. Good for her and hope she stays safe.

    • Stevo Hein

      “Some men”, specifically Muslim men, something you don’t seem to distinguish

      • Dave Langers

        Let make that “religious men” then. Not 100% identical, but Pussy Riot in Russia chose an orthodox church with similar consequences. And more dissimilar still is the Westboro Baptist Church, but they make me think it is “religious people”, or simply “religion”.
        Which doesn’t mean that all religious people are bad people, because most are not, but that holds for Muslims too.

        • Stevo Hein

          Ah yes, the Pussy Riot. Notice how the guardian and other leftist media we all over that, interesting how femen does not make the same headlines, of course it’s because they’re protesting Islam, and leftists, who blather on about women’s rights yet apologise of islam (no irony there), turn a blind eye.
          Ah, the Westboro baptist church, whenever we talk about Islam, the typical excuse is that Christians are like that too, and that church is the example. I’m sorry to break this to you, but Phelps has not hurt a fly; there have been 20,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11, not quite an equivilant.

          • Dave Langers

            Femen doesn’t make the same headlines because these Swedish ladies are not put away in a workcamp. And Phelps has brainwashes his disciples; I didn’t claim equivalence, but that doesn’t qualify as “not hurt a fly”.
            I am not defending islam. I am arguing that many religions have the same inclinations. As far as the others haven’t made as many victims as islam has, lately I add, that is more because of the more secular societies they happen to be embedded in, rather than the level of enlightenment they achieve themselves. Israel is not a nice neighbour to have, and christians are not free of some clensing either.

            • Kristin Gladstone Thomas

              The difference however between Islam, Judaism and Christianity, right now Sharia Law of Islam is the ONLY one that is spreading like a disease through much of Europe and even in the United States AND because of the current leaders in charge in these countries, it is getting a pass and being allowed to TAKE OVER as the predominate culture forcing the others including you atheists aside. You better wake up and do your homework. Christians and Jews aren’t your primary threat, Islam is.

              • Peregrine2976

                Every small minded and ignorant piece of filth that equates a single religion or race with ‘disease’ is the primary threat.

                • hppyhippi

                  You could not be more wrong. Islamic brainwashing is an INDUCED MENTAL ILLNESS. The results are on display every day.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                Sharia law is not spreading in the States. That’s paranoia and xenophobia talking. You better wake up and understand that you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you go off about that.

                Israel and Judaism aren’t the same thing. You’re misrepresenting what was said. Are you doing it intentionally?

                Tell you what, when Christians stop using numbers advantages to legislate* against people to deny them the rights you enjoy, based on their birth or gender and ignorant, bigoted presumptions about their morality, we’ll devote even more time to the dangers posed by the very small, overwhelmingly well-behaved religious minorities who are responsible for a tiny percentage of terror plots in the U.S. or even the West.

                *Christian “law” is what is spreading like a disease throughout the U.S. You’re projecting and camouflaging, trying to use the fear of the Other to distract people from the actual Sharia-like laws you keep trying to implement to control peoples’ lives in the name of religion. IT DOESN’T WORK ON PEOPLE WHO DON’T SHARE YOUR XENOPHOBIA AND AUTHORITARIAN NATURE.

                • SolidGOP

                  “Sharia law is not spreading in the States.”

                  Funny, the Swedes in Malmo, along with Brits in some areas of London were told the same there…boy did they learn a lesson about you guys.,

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  So you can’t actually produce any evidence. Xenophobia is not an argument.

                  Learn to edit your posts.

                • SolidGOP

                  Poor baby. I guess everyone here is a “xenophobe” as you call them, but yourself.

                  Nice try though.

                • RobMcCune

                  Notice neither of those places are in the US.

                • SolidGOP

                  That’s the point, you guys LIED to them and now they don’t have recourse.

                • RobMcCune

                  Saying there is no sharia in the US is not a lie. Furthermore how did the lack of sharia in the US inform the decisions of other countries with different ethnic and religious makeups?

                • hppyhippi

                  I guess you have never been to Michigan…

                • RobMcCune

                  I haven’t, what acts has the Michigan legislature passed that implemented sharia law?

                • silentassassin

                  When you say “stop numbers advantages to legislate” do you mean “stop democracy?” While I can see the benefits of a more powerful central federal government leading the ignorant masses I believe that the Constitution bearers, House of Reps, hippies, and libertarians would never allow it.

                • Nick Dyson

                  Our democracy only works because there is a constitution in place to protect the minority. That being said, if muslims ever take majority power in this country, make no mistake that they will do everything to dismantle the constitution which protects the rest of us. Hell Obama and Bush have both made inroads to that end.

                • Nick Dyson

                  You sir/ma’am are very ill informed on Islam, it’s goals and it’s tactics. It is an outright lie that muslims only make a tiny percentage of terror plots. A disgusting lie I might add. It is thanks to modern christian tolerance that has given birth to the rise and influence of atheism. Atheists are executed in 10 count them 10 islamic countries. They are not executed anywhere in any christian ones. That alone proves you wrong. BUt dig even further into muslim majority countries. there are 49 of them, 39 of them have some form of sharia law. On a scale which reflects the percentage of the population which is muslim. How many videos are there of christians executing people to the screams of “god is great” ? answer none. How many videos are there of muslims doing the same? answer thousands. How many times do you see christians marching in the streets claiming they will dominate the world? answer none. How many times videos and pictures of muslims marching the streets saying islam will dominate the world? answer hundreds to thousands. Simple observation beyond the 6 o clock news will tell you all of this. Stop getting your news from the mainstream and start digging online. What you see might scare you. BTW I’m an atheist.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Being an atheist doesn’t mean you can’t be bigoted, you know. Many atheists (like many people of any religious orientation) try very hard not to be, but other atheists use their lack of religion as a way to try to insulate themselves from criticism when they say bigoted things.

                  Don’t do that.

                  No one argues that Islam is a wonderful religion. It’s not. The political Islam in many places is godawful; it’s tyrannical and dehumanizing. However, none of that is inherently part of Islam, but rather a function of a whole lot of political and demographic trends that would produce the same results no matter what the religion in the area was. Of course the dictators and strongmen in the area would use Islam to maintain control- dictators always either use the religion of the area to maintain power or try to crush it as an opposing center of power. Of course people fighting political battles put things in religious terms- it works to draw people into the fight. None of this is unique to Islam. So while it’s accurate to say that Islam is the religion currently doing the most harm to the most number of people right now, that doesn’t mean it’s at all acceptable to paint all Muslims or Islam as a whole as any more horrible than any other religion.

                • hppyhippi

                  Yes it is inherently part of Islam. Muhammad was a mass murdering headchopping thief and child molester, by definition and according to Islamic historians. They just excuse his actions because he was the “prophet” and so it was “OK” for him but not for others. He even had a special dispensation in his “Quran” to excuse some of his sexual crimes. Look it up. This is why Islam cannot be reformed and must be apposed.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Have you read the Bible? There’s child sacrifice in there. Abraham was willing to do it, and Jepthah actually did it. Somehow those are both excused; I’m not sure how. There’s also lots of genocide and rape and slavery perpetrated by the Israelites, yet you see modern-day Jews and Christians managing to refrain from those activities. The penalty for any number of offenses is death by stoning, yet Jews and Christians avoid doing that. Jesus told people to give up all their stuff to the poor and to separate themselves from their families to follow him; Christians manage to avoid doing those, too.

                  Every Abrahamic religion has truly horrible stuff in it. People read around it or cherry-pick it away or say it was a different time, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s there. I am quite sure that Muslims are as capable of capable of reading around the awful stuff in the Quran as Jews and Christians are of reading around the stuff in the Torah and Bible.

                • hppyhippi

                  Don’t be ridiculous Feminerd. Jesus did not demand everyone give up everything, and follow him in the way you think, it is about not caring about material things so much that you are unable to be a good person. Jesus spoke in parables, but he also drank with the loose women and told people to serve God you serve your fellow man. That is why we have Christian charity and Islam does not.
                  You also fail to understand that the Old Testament rules and morality was swept away with the New Testament morality, which starts with the Golden Rule. Islam is the opposite, and no doubt a reaction to the superior civilization there on the shores of the Mediterranean, living a civilized middle class type Christian life style, to the horror of the desert Bedouin’s.
                  Islam abrogates the morality of the Golden Rule and substitutes the protecting the “honor” of Muhammad and promotion of the (cult) of Islam’s control over others, as outlined in the Quran. If you were correct Fem, the fundamentalists would not think that they have moral imperative to spread Islamic control over everyone. Jesus just said spread the good news about your redemption by a personal relationship to God. Muhammad said it was societal control. Huge difference, and so scary that I am not that mad about the Crusaders. Dig???

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  The Five Pillars of Islam: belief, worship, charitable giving, fasting during Ramadan, the hajj to Mecca at least once in a lifetime. Charity is so important to Islam that it’s the only real-life thing up there with religious ritual and belief. Purity isn’t up there. Honor isn’t up there. Converting people isn’t up there. No, it’s all about charity. Does that mean Muslims everywhere follow that? Of course not. But again, that is not unique to Islam. Charity is given more weight in Islam than it is in Christianity by far.

                  As for Jesus:

                  Luke 12:33 “Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.”

                  Luke 14:26 “If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

                  Jesus does in fact say to give up all your stuff and live on faith alone. He does in fact say to leave your family in order to follow him. Those are both quotes directly from Jesus, supposedly. I think that’s absolutely ridiculous, but hey, he’s your god, not mine, and you’re not following his rules.

                  As for “superior” European culture and civilization; in the year 1100, I would live in Muslim Spain or Cairo or Damascus or any part of the Emirate before I’d live in Europe. The Muslim Golden Age is called that for a reason- the arts flourished, science flourished, there was relative tolerance (it wasn’t perfect by any means, but it was far better than in Christian Europe), people had access to trade goods from Africa, Southeast Asia, and China and the extra money with which to buy them, life expectancy was much higher than in Europe … you get the picture. The Crusades were about money and power and land and religious zealotry; did you know the Crusaders murdered thousands of kneeling men who had come out to surrender? Just rode them all down and trampled/beheaded/stabbed/etc them. The men surrendering were Christian, but they looked “funny”. The “civilized” Europeans gave a collective shrug and the slaughter went on unchecked.

                  Fundamentalists always think they have the moral imperative to spread their religion and control over others. They always try to control sex and sexuality, they always dehumanize and infantilize women, and they always worry about “honor” and have personality cults in order to control others. Why do you think so many Christians are so damned obnoxious in this country, what with loudmouthed preachers all over the place; why do you think they send missionaries all over the world to pester other people and try to enshrine their bigotry into law overseas when it fails here? Heck, why do they feel the need to enshrine their religious preferences into law at all? Why do you think the ultra-Orthodox spit at and heckle little girls who “aren’t modest enough”?

                  Theocracies are always bad; they always have been, and by their very nature they always will be. The particular religion being enshrined doesn’t matter, though. Note the Buddhist fundamentalist-extremists in Myanmar, who are inciting riots against the Rohingyas, a Muslim and tribal minority, and pushing horrible laws to limit their rights. Will you argue that Buddhism is an inherently immoral religion, too?

                • hppyhippi

                  I am not arguing with you at all, you are arguing with yourself. The two quotes from Jesus, are not rules punishable by death, that is VOLUNTARY and is meant as illustration. In the Quran, they specify the chopping off of limbs on opposites of the body, as punishment, and the comparison is obvious. You keep repeating the crimes of the Catholic Church, but cannot come up with better quotes from the words of Jesus to supposedly “justify” it??? HAHAHAHAHAH !!!!! Jesus never killed anyone, refused to participate in military violence or rebellion. Religions are all being abused, that is true. But to compare Jesus with Muhammad is just plain silly.
                  The so called Zakat, almsgiving, is the third pillar. Social responsibility is considered part of one’s service to God; the obligatory act of zakat enshrines this duty. Zakat prescribes payment of fixed proportions of a Muslim’s possessions for the welfare of the entire community and in particular for its neediest members. It is equal to 2.5 percent of an individual’s total net worth, excluding obligations and family expenses. BUT THE CHARITY IS LIMITED TO MUSLIMS and ZAKAT IS A TAX paid directly to the Mosque, not the needy. Non muslims have another tax, which is paid on pain of beheading. Get real.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Please tell me how zakat differs from a tithe to the church.

                • Nick Dyson

                  In the words of some very prominent muslim Imams and clerics. “you cannot have Islam without sharia”, “they are one” and “a muslim who does not believe in the sharia is not a muslim”. Sharia law IS the political element of Islam. Most muslims if being honest will tell you the same. You’re bending over backward trying to defend this ideology, and I wonder why. My guess is you’ve met a few secular thinking muslims who don’t want Sharia law for all. I would argue they are either lying or if being honest, make up a very small minority. Look at the UK. There are thousands of muslims marching for sharia law, FULL sharia law not just for their personal lives(they already have that). Where are the muslims protesting against this?

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  In the words of some prominent Christian pastors, “the US is a Christian nation”, “we need to take this country back for Jesus”, and “if you disagree with me, you’re going to Hell”. Millions of people in the US give them money, teach their kids their curricula, attend lectures and rallies, and vote for them. Does that mean all Christians are responsible for the misogyny, anti-science, homophobic bullshit those people spew?

                  Fundamentalism is fundamentalism. The difference between majority Muslim nations and the US is we’ve managed to shove our fundamentalists to the fringe and don’t listen to them as much. The difference between the US and Scandinavia is we still have fundamentalists in positions of power and as prominent speakers instead of shoving them all the way to crackpotland where they belong. Islam isn’t the problem. Fundamentalism is the problem. I repeat myself because maybe the repetition will get it through your head, though it’s not likely.

                  EDIT: Look, I’m not saying Islam is love, rainbows, and fuzzy bunnies. It’s not. I’m just saying it’s no worse than any other Abrahamic religion- Judaism and Christianity are equally horrific.

                • No2shariaNo4islam

                  I believe very much so in the first amendment clause that separates the powers of religion from government. I am an atheist. I align myself with people like Christopher Hitchens. I like the fact that Gays are getting their rights for marriage equality & me being a female I believe in pro choice & women’s rights.

                  The religion of islam & it’s followers of approx. 1.4 billion. To begin with there is no such thing as a moderate islam. For another, the islamic political organizations around the world and in the United States all have ties to terrorist as in Al Qeada & Hamas ect…

                  Most of these islamic organizations are affiliated with Al Qaeda & Hamas. The “Muslim Brotherhood” is a politically active group that is tied to several front groups that operate or least try to under cover. They have ties to muslim terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda & Hamas. There is a 1991 memorandum document that was found in 2004 after the CIA/FBI raided an office of a muslim front group called CAIR(Council for Islamic Relations). They were under audio surveillance & this is why the CIA raided their office. Unfortunately, CAIR is still able to stay in existence. They were involved in what is called the “holy land trial” which is what uncovered their ties to the terrorist groups I mentioned above. This trial was in 2007. My good guess is even though a few of the members of CAIR were put in prison is that they were not shut down in time before Obama took office. Obama has a cousin & his deceased father & stepfather were & are muslim. Obama spent time in a midras school that taught the religion of islam when he was with his stepfather.

                  The link that shows the 1991 memorandum document from the “Muslim Brotherhood” as mentioned above has a very telling paragraph of quotes that states their intention as in this quote as follows…

                  “The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Proecess” with all the word means. The Ikhwan(the muslim brotherhood) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.”

                  You can view the PDF of the memorandum at the following link. You will find it on the page about 2/3’s of the way down with the #4 in parenthesis at top of page & at the bottom of the page is 7 of 18. You will see it in the 1st paragraph titled 4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America:


                  This May 1991 memo was written by Mohamed Akram, a.k.a. Mohamed Adlouni, for the Shura Council of the Muslim Brotherhood. In the introductory letter, Akram referenced a “long-term plan…approved and adopted” by the Shura Council in 1987 and proposed this memo as a supplement to that plan and requested that the memo be added to the agenda for an upcoming Council meeting. Appended to the document is a list of all Muslim Brotherhood organizations in North America as of 1991. This list of muslim brotherhood organizations consist of their front groups ISNA(Islamic Society of North America) being one of them. They were designated as an unindicted co-conspirator in the terrorism-financing trial of the Holy Land Foundation. The organization CAIR was also an unindicted co conspiritors in the Holy Land Foundation trials that brought to light their connections with terrorist). There are other muslim brotherhood front groups as well. But I will not list them for the sake of space & time.

                  More about CAIR who had a number of members who have been convicted of crimes in order to support terrorist organizations. The following webpage gives you the names and their crimes. http://www.investigativeproject.org/624/some-cair-officials-convicted-of-crimes

                  Muslim Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Washington DC based CAIR(Council on American-Islamic Relations) said the following…

                  …”Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant…The Koran…should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

                  The link to a blog page below gives more information about the muslim brotherhood. The information they have is pulled from CIA/FBI unclasified information.


                  As well, there are some very good videos put out by the intelligence community. The links for them are as follows…

                  Global Threat of Sharia Law


                  Islam Video Obsession


                  The 3rd Jihad Muslim Brotherhood Video


                  Taqiyya Lying for Islam Video


                  Under Cover Mosque(muslim women teaches girls to kill the unbelievers & to fake freindship with the unbelievers)


                  New York Times Moderate Muslim “Adulterers must be stoned!” – See more at:


                  Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrates Obama Administration


                  Why sue American companies to impose Muslim prayer on the secular workplace?


                  The link below is a news outlet that speaks to the occurrence of Sharia Law being legitimized in the United States as in a New Jersey case of muslim woman being denied a restraining order from husband who raped & beat her for 2 weeks. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/

                  Rape and the Islamic Doctrine That Allows It (The woman that wrote this report Lopez served for 20 years as an operations officer with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).


                • No2shariaNo4islam

                  @CL Honeycutt, continuation from 1st post to you..

                  The attitude within the religion of Islam is that the female is an object as it is stated in the Hadith.

                  “Muslim Hadith Bukhari (62:81) – Nikah or the marriage contract is mainly about the use of the vagina. Says Mohammed.”

                  Secrets Of Britain’s islam Sharia Councils BBC Documentaries



                  Missouri: 2 Muslim“Middle Eastern” military trainees try to abduct 12-year-old girl for sex


                  A prophet who was a pedophile named Mohamed who married a 6yr old name Aisha as it is described in islam’s hadith is an egregious a front to all of what is decent & moral. The example of Mohamed’s life is at the core of the religion of islam’s belief system. With it carries the laws of sharia that is widely practiced today as in yester- years. Sharia law is cruel and inhumane & hateful set of laws based on the life, philosophy & teachings of Mohamed. Whereby the following laws are practiced in general within the religion of islam around the world….

                  *** Please note:

                  Before reading the following of the legal actions that are listed below that pertain to the religion of Islam, you should know the following. In a Islamic court of law called (sharia) a religious man leader(Imam,cleric) over see’s the court & has all power to decide the out come of someone’s fate. There are no jurist, a females testimony is not considered & or not allowed. In ruling over social matters of the peoples within the sharia court the female is only considered half the worth of a male & no forensic evidence is allowed in cases of female rape & this includes DNA evidence. When a female is found to be raped (only by the witnesses of 4 males testimony) she is still guilty of fornication or adultery. She is either put in prison or put to death. The male or males are not punished or are fined.

                  *** Please note:

                  The males testifying as witnesses in a case of female rape may be the rapist themselves as in gang rape. Also as well, in most cases the male witnesses want the female to be punished or put to death because of hate towards the female, as well, a husband can legally rape his wife & female children…

                  - Legalized rape of all females?

                  - A female after being raped has to marry her rapist by law?

                  - The legalization of a man marrying a girl child starting at the age of 6 yrs old?

                  - A female is legally put in prison or fined for not covering her head & or body from head to toe?

                  - The legalization of murdering one’s family members (ie Honor Killing) & as well, the female family member who is murdered the most because she is only worth half that of a male?

                  - The legalization of being sentenced to death for apostasy?

                  - The legalization of being put to death because you are not a believer of someone’s deity & prophet?

                  - Legalized system that enslaves non believers?

                  - The legalization of being put to death because of your sexual orientation?

                  - The legalization of being put to death because as an unbeliever you speak against & criticize or even just speak out about the truth of what is practiced in a religion as in all of the above?

                  - Teaches it’s members to plot to establish a religion so it may rule over all (caliphate) by way of political deception(Taqiya), acting like a victim to those who do not know better & by war (Jihad)?

                  ***In islam muslims are instructed to fight/kill the unbelievers….


                  The Quran:

                  Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

                  but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

                  Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

                  Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

                  Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”

                  Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

                  Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

                  Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”

                  Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”

                  From the Hadith:

                  Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

                  Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

                  Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah

                  Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

                  Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

                  Muslim Riots Grow in Sweden


                  Muslims rally for Sharia law in UK, prompting nationalist protests


                  Muslims protest for Jihad & Sharia Law


                  Epidemic of predetory muslim cab drivers in Britain?


                  UK: Muslim beheads young woman, assaults 5 others


                  Muslim Patrol vigilantes attempt to control London streets


                  Other video & website of Muslim Patrol


                  Turkey: 85-year-old Christian woman repeatedly stabbed, cross carved onto her corpse


                  Muslim Brother Stabs Sister 20 Times for Leaving the House


                  Connecticut: Muslim immigrant broke clavicles, femur, tibia of infant daughter


                  Pregnant woman has throat slit, stomach cut open in horrific ‘honor’ killing in Jordan


                  16-year-old British girl was brutally raped by 90 different Muslim men in one weekend.


                  20 muslim refugees rape an 11-year old girl in a public bath, Stockholm Sweden


                  Pakistani muslimm admits women have no rights or opinions in Islam after raping a Swedish woman.


                  Videos of Muslims Daily attacks on citizens of Europe




                  An 11-year-old muslim Yemeni girl who escapes from forced marriage?


                  Iran lawmakers pass bill allowing men to marry adopted daughters/42,000 girls from age 10 to 13 yrs of age in 2010


                  Pakistan-Woman Gang Raped In Front Of Her Children By 8 Muslims


                  Muslim immigrants raped over 300 Swedish children in seven months of 2013


                  Egyptian Islamists Sexually Attack Women For Being Christian


                  Video : British Schoolgirl’s Testimony Muslims Threaten Children With Violence Rape Outside School Daily


                  Burton on Trent – Islamic Grooming Gangs afflicting yet another British town


                  3 Muslim Brothers From Manchester Part Of Sex Gang Found Guilty Of Grooming And Raping Schoolgirls


                  Another Oxford Muslim Sex Gang Member In Court




                  Letter To The Mother Of Oxford Grooming Gang Who Blamed Victims For Sons Evil Acts


                  Britian Muslim Taxi Driver Rapist Jailed For 7 Years After Second Sexual Offence In 3 Years


                  3 Bangladeshi’s From South Shields In Court For Raping 15 y.o Schoolgirl


                  Manchester Rape Jihad: Teenager ‘Heard Screaming For Help’ During Terrifying Sex Attack At Hulme Bus Stop


                  Pakistan: Muslim husband forces wife to drink acid for giving birth to a girl


                  Canada: Imam says sharia stoning is good for your soul






                  Missouri: 2 Muslim“Middle Eastern” military trainees try to abduct 12-year-old girl for sex




                  Nevada: Teen boy testifies about being raped by Saudi Muslim at Las Vegas hotel


                  Sharia Courts in the UK (VIDEO)


                  Secrets Of Britain’s islam Sharia Councils BBC Documentaries



                  Muslim separatist insurgencies have claimed around 150,000 lives over decades of fighting in the Philipiens/Hostages,Homless & gunman at large


                  Homeland Security Advisor says that ” The United States is a Islamic country”.


                  Muslim DHS Adviser Defends Use of Muslim Brotherhood Icon on Twitter Profile


                  Michigan: CAIR discusses setting up sharia divorce courts for Muslim women (via The Arab American News)


              • Replier

                what’s wrong with islam sharia law?, none of your business if we used it in our countries , you guys have nothing to do, you just put your little nose in anything you want?

                • Mira

                  and kip it in yours country’s for yours sake, emigrating to non Muslim country’s where there is a hundreds years old laws demanding to implement sharia in to it will only make problems for Muslims who are trying to force it by violence,who eventually will have to leave the country and cant blame anybody but them self.

                • Nick Dyson

                  whats wrong with sharia law?
                  1-it treats women like property
                  2-treats homosexuals like criminals
                  3-treats women like property
                  4-allows pedophilia
                  5-condones savagery
                  That enough for you?

                • hppyhippi

                  Sharia is a crime against humanity by UN definition. The subjugation of the world is at stake and you are on the side of totalitarian evil, started by an evil headchopping mass murdering psychopath, whose psychopathy is expressed by Sharia law. Islamic brainwashing is an INDUCED MENTAL ILLNESS and the results are suicidal murder and oppression by the religious elites. Please get well soon or at the least, have a nice drone strike.

              • Nick Dyson

                I’m an atheist and have been working very hard to make my fellow atheists realize this.

            • paigemorrison

              No, you moron, Many Religions do not have the same inclinations. Only one. That is the muslims. Only them.

              • Dave Langers

                And whatever you subscribe to, judging from your propensity to insult.
                The examples are stale, but witchburnings, crusades, inquisitions, extermination in the Americas, etc. don’t count? Too old? Then maybe the role in WW2, Rwanda or former Yugoslavia may trigger some memories.
                And lets throw the “war on terror” on that pile too now, because it is funny how the numerous civilian victims in the Middle East somehow don’t count because they were on the wrong side anyway.
                With negligible exception, all religion is evil.

                • frnkk

                  “all religion is evil” is a stupid remark. Islam is the only one that burns other churches, rapes, stones, beheads, tortures others. Bringing us things that happened centuries ago is also a stupid excuse to justify those animals that worship a pedophile pervert druggie doing inhuman things to others.

                • Dave Langers

                  I am not excusing islam by saying that all religions are bad: islam is evil.
                  But I am neither excusing christianity by saying their harshest crimes were long ago: christianity is evil too.
                  All religion is evil is what I wrote. And elsewhere I generalised it to all dogma. If for nothing else then for keeping people ignorant about how the world works.
                  You don’t need a so-called holy book to have good morals, and history has shown that all of these books are so multi-interpretable that anything can be justified, which makes them a bad guide for morality.

                • hppyhippi

                  frnkk, “pervert druggie” ??? If you are going to bash medical marijuana, your logic fails. Otherwise, yeah Muhammad was the worst, a psychopathic cult leader whose cult expresses his pathology. When Jesus said, “let the children come unto me” he did not mean it the way “Muhammad the child molester” did.

                • hppyhippi

                  :You are mixing things up here, because Jesus never killed anyone or advocated burning witches. Jesus was the one who wanted forgiveness and mercy, remember?? It was the Romans who brought violence, not actual Christianity. The Crusades were the result of 700 years of muslim rampage and suicidal attack upon Europe and elsewhere. Ignorant men do terrible things, but the actual religions are as different as night and day. When Christians do bad things, they are not being Christians or following Jesus. When muslims do bad things, they are following the headchopping thief, rapist and child molesting cult leaders words and example. Dig??

                • RobMcCune

                  These crusades to defend Europe from the Muslims did a very poor job. For starters they attacked a place that had nothing to do with an invasion of Europe.

                  When Christians do bad things, they are not being Christians or following Jesus.

                  Of course those crusaders stopped being christian just long enough to wade through the blood of women and children, then conveniently became christian again when they were done.

                • hppyhippi

                  Rob, I understand the history. Muslim apologists always talk about the bad things other people did in order to divert attention from the evils of Islam and sharia law. It is like a logic gatepoint that shuttles your attention away from the main logic thread.
                  As far as the Crusaders are concerned, they were motivated by greed, adventure and religion, but not at the behest of Jesus, whose words shame them, unlike the straight up motivation and justification of violence from the words of Muhammad, himself a headchopping rapist, looter, slaver and child molester. See the difference??? One can be shamed into being reformed, the other cannot. Religions are not equal.

              • RobMcCune

                Please read a book some time.

              • quatra

                Remember the Inquisition and the Crusades?

                • LarryMH47

                  Those were centuries ago. What religion did Josef Stalin push? Religion isn’t the problem, PEOPLE are.

                • pen44

                  Actually, LarryMH47, Stalin followed Lenin’s discipleship of Karl Marx, who is well known for advocating the belief that religion is/was the opiate of the people, and that it should be stopped whenever possible. The U.S.S.R. & Communism have a very long history of persecuting ALL religions…now, Russia recognizes a Russian Orthodox “state church”. This was not so during the Lenin/Stalin reign. Yes, Stalin did have spots of “religion”, especially during his later years. This is not to say that there is no religion in Communist countries…it is there, just persecuted heavily, much like Christianity is in Muslim countries.

                  And, Hitler’s “belief” in Christianity is tainted because his ego & insanity lead him to become the reverenced object of the German people…he became their god/savior.

                  But you are right in saying that “religion” is not the problem…the problems start when someone or some group of someones hijacks religion and decides what IT is, or isn’t. People do that, not God.

                • LarryMH47

                  Thank you. That was my point. Since Stalin and his ilk attacked religion (just as atheists do) I’d call his ‘religion’ Atheism.

                • Dave Langers

                  Dogmatic atheism is equally bad, I agree. Anything that prevents people from learning to think for themselves is bad, in my opinion.
                  But most atheists are not dogmatic. They became atheists because they came to the conclusion that there is little evidence for a god, not because an atheist equivalent of a priest told them it must be so. I guess the fact that atheism doesn’t have prophets is telling (and those who consider e.g. Richard Dawkins a prophet clearly did not get the message).

                • Dave Langers

                  What difference does time make? Christianity is forced to take a modest stance because western society doesn’t allow them to rule anymore like they used too. Thanks to enlightenment, not thanks too christianity! That is what is lacking in Muslim countries. But note that around ~900, the Arabs were much more enlightened than we were back then. So all religions are capable of the same.
                  Your point on Stalin is a good one. “Religion” is too narrow, I guess the problem is “dogma” or “doctrine”, which prevents people from thinking for themselves. If only a child’s “how did Jezus walk on water?” was answered by “can you think of a reason yourself?”, that would be an improvement. But that still underlines my original point that it is not just Muslims, although they are presently behaving worst, but dogmas generally. (BTW, same holds for atheists who proselytize based on dogmatic non-believe; fortunately, most atheists produce better arguments.)

                • hppyhippi

                  In 900, the Arabs were not enlightened at all. Some wealthy religious muslim elites protected European scholars, but that was just to put the thumb in the eye of Europe. The golden age of Islam was funded by terroristic raiding and plunder. Most arabs in 900 ad lived in the same poverty and ignorance that you see in all muslim countries today.

                • hppyhippi

                  They were against the teaching of Jesus. Islam does not have that ability to shame evil doers, since Muhammad was an evil doer.

              • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

                Every mosque in the U.S. should be doused with pig’s blood and then have the dead pig thrown into the mosque itself. That’ll get these cockroaches out of our country.

                • RobMcCune

                  Actually I’d first like to get rid of the racists that go around thinking other people are “cockroaches.”

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Why are all the racists coming out of the woodwork on this one? Seriously, go away.

                • Nick Dyson

                  I would like to understand what race is muslim? Or better yet how can you be a racist for hating an ideology which transcends race? This is a tired and old crutch for defenders of Islam.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  We don’t have a great word for bigots towards any particular religion, unfortunately. Bigot just doesn’t have the same sting, even though it ought to. I can’t call hir religionist; that sounds like ze’s religious. Islamophobe? That would probably be the best term.

                  I love how my stand against bigotry and for the constitutional right to practice the religion of one’s choice magically turned into a defense of Islam in your brain, by the way. Great word-twisting; I award you one point for it, but give you -10 points for the typo and lack of proper capitalization. If you’re going to be pedantic, it works better if you’re pedantic all the way.

                • hppyhippi

                  Islam is not just a religion and cannot be equated with Christianity, because it is a totalitarian belief system that requires control of society by Islamic cult leadership at the Mosques. Jesus said “give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars and give unto God that which is Gods” effectively separating government and religion.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  I present to you the Catholic Church’s domination of European politics and governments for centuries as a counter-example. Christians are just as capable of turning their religion into a theocratic cult leadership; just because they don’t generally do that today doesn’t mean the possibility isn’t there and it hasn’t happened in the past.

                  Political Islam is a thing. It’s almost always a bad thing, just like political any-religion is a bad thing. Again, that’s not an inherent problem of Islam, but an inherent problem of mixing any religion and government together. If Islam was inherently problematic, you wouldn’t have assimilation into other cultures (which happens all the time) and you wouldn’t have pacifist sects like Sufis arise. The problem isn’t Islam. The problem is the power of the religious elite in primarily Muslim countries and especially their fundamentalist interpretations of the Quran. Do you really think that if Christians of the Westboro Baptist Church type were in charge of the US, we’d be any better than Saudi Arabia? Or the Ultra-Ultra-Orthodox in Israel; would they not also be absolutely horrific? The problem is fundamentalism of any kind, not any particular religion in general.

                • Nick Dyson

                  Although you make some good points and some very factual observations here. There is much you’re leaving out to make your argument work. Not the least of which is the Christian reformation, which resulted in a kinder, gentler and obviously more tolerant religion than it once was. Islam never had a reformation and it’s because of this, it is the threat that it is. The Muslims who are “reformed” are the vast minority, sufi’s and alawites primarily while the most archaic interpretations are the vast majority IE: sunnism and shiism. One need only look at the 10 countries that execute for apostasy, homosexuality and blasphemy. All 10 of them are muslim. All 10 of them are sunni or shiite, which between the 2 make up 90-95% of muslims. Then on a broader scale, there are 49 muslim majority countries. 39 of them enforce some form of sharia law and on a sliding scale directly proportional to the % of the population that is muslim, with few exceptions. If you are an atheist in almost all of these countries, it is an arrestable offence. Not the case in western, christian dominated countries. You also cannot compare the impact or severity of the westboro loons to the thousands of muslims butchering people worldwide. It’s apples and oranges.

                • hppyhippi

                  You could not be more wrong. If the fundamentals concepts are evil, discriminatory and justify violence, then the “fundamentalists” will be suicidal murderers who think that they will gain reward for violence. So when Christian “fundamenalists” read the words of Jesus, the number one rule is the Golden Rule, and can be shamed out of their actions, or at least held up for ridicule as hypocrites. Thus it was with the evil Catholic Church, which is not Christian, it is a roman cult started by a roman emperor to keep power. Romans were notoriously violent and changed the face of Christianity from the Golden Rule to support the (cult) of the Catholic Church. Stop calling unreformed Catholics “Christian”, because the were not following Jesus.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Bahahahahahahhaha *gasp* hahahahaha *wheeze* hah.

                  Ok. Whew. Caught my breath. I suggest you go read up on the Quiverfull movement and Christian Patriarchy. Read the Pearls’ books: To Train Up a Child and Created to Be His Helpmeet. Read up on Rushdooney. Read up on the KKK. Listen to what Ken Ham and Mark Driscoll and Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson say and have said. Listen to the absolutely vile vitriol coming out of the mouths of the anti-gay marriage people and the pro-life people.

                  The Westboro Baptist Church are Christian fundamentalists. Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder were Christian fundamentalists and terrorists. Todd Akin is a Christian fundamentalist, as are Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and many other terrifyingly ignorant politicians who seem to be trying to undermine our constitution.

                  The number one rule of fundamentalist Christianity as it is practiced in the US is not the Golden Rule. It is, rather, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34).

                • Nick Dyson

                  Oh no not the grammar police. What will I do now? Obviously my not living up to your standards in grammar means nothing I say can be true.The term Islamophobia or Islamophobe suggests irrational fear. This would be an inaccurate label as well because my fear of an ideology which subjugates woman and endorses savage cruelty is very much rational. Based in facts, not propaganda, conjecture or pre conceived notions. Only facts gleaned from extensive research into this ideology and the people that follow it.

                • pen44

                  That won’t do anything but aggravate the problem, NoMoreMarxistsInDC. Plus it’ll antagonize the atheist & faux Christians/Catholics in the country & our legislatures. When you attack any faction that is against Christianity, the fakers go crazy, pass laws that infringe on 1st Amendment rights, et al…we need to work “within” the law to stop the takeovers, through electing people with beliefs & faith, and ousting the fakers & haters. No national church, but consideration of all….no one is forcing atheists, or Jewish people, or Muslims to celebrate Christmas, but they want it gone because they think that today’s Christmas has something, anything, to do with Christ. It doesn’t really, except in churches, it is just a greedy season of consumerism.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  no one is forcing atheists, or Jewish people, or Muslims to celebrate
                  Christmas, but they want it gone because they think that today’s
                  Christmas has something, anything, to do with Christ.

                  I’d say “citation needed”, but it always turns out to actually be that the War on Christmas crowd are complaining because someone insists on following Constitutional law, and they can’t stand having their privilege not go unchecked.

                  faux Christians/Catholics in the country & our legislatures

                  I’m sure that you were very proud on the day that Jesus put the medal on your lapel that marked you with the responsibility of legitimizing other people’s belief in him.

            • silentassassin

              Phelps has about a dozen followers. No one with any sense takes him seriously. Also, were the roles reversed his type of protests or demonstrations would never be allowed in a Muslim majority state. It’s a credit to the US that he’s been allowed this level of freedom of speech.

          • EdEKit

            Stevo, I have never been present for a Phelps Demonstration, yet I have been harmed. I am an American, I have to live with the kind of impression of America that the raving lunatic Phelps sends to the world. I’m a veteran, and Phelps has gone out of his way to harm the mothers, and fathers, sisters and brothers of my brothers in arms. He has harmed them, he has harmed me. “What ever you do to the least of thes my brethren, you do also to me.” If nothing else, he has empowered you to harm gays, and now you have extended that harm and hate to Muslims. Don’t be an idiot, Westboro damages us. And you are helping him.

            • 5ftflirt

              Phelps has about 10 followers. Essentially, it’s his family. That’s it. Not any way equivalent. No comparison.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                Add a zero and some change there.

            • Stevo Hein

              He may be the cult leader of an inbred family, but he has not harmed anyone, thus bringing him up is a false equivilance.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                You are very ignorant if you think the Phelpses have not caused both direct and indirect harm.

                • Stevo Hein

                  He may have emotionally harmed people, but has not caused any physical harm

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Tell that to those who escaped his cult’s clutches.

            • paigemorrison

              Stevo, that is not even close to harm. That is freedom of speech. Learn the difference. They may be wacked out but they do not harm. Try a different argument and people may listen but making ignorant, bigoted accusations just limits your audience. Like Phelps big 10 member group.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                You are very ignorant if you think the Phelpses have not caused harm, directly and indirectly.

          • brian buckley

            LMAO 20,000 terrorists attacks. you are a crazy christian. no different than the mad muslims.

            • Stevo Hein

              Firstly, I am an atheist. Secondly, I suggest you do some homework

              • Guest

                list your homework Stevo. Let’s see if you did yours.

                • Stevo Hein

                  These are all of the terrorist attacks in the last 2 days

                  2013.07.01 (Baqubah, Iraq) – Eight Iraqis sitting in a cafe are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.

                  2013.07.01 (Muqdadiyah, Iraq) – A Sunni suicide bomber self-detonates inside a Shiite mosque, sending nine worshippers straight to Allah.

                  2013.07.01 (Mishahada, Iraq) – Eight men are pulled out of their homes and executed by al-Qaeda.

                  2013.06.30 (Quetta, Pakistan) – Nine women and five children are among thirty innocents slain outside a Shia mosque by a Sunni suicide bomber.

                  2013.06.30 (Peshawar, Pakistan) – A Religion of Peace car bomb leaves seventeen people dead.

                  2013.06.30 (Baghdad, Iraq) – A dozen young boys at a soccer field are ripped apart by an al-Qaeda bomb blast.

            • Kristin Gladstone Thomas

              That’s funny, I haven’t seen or heard of many Christians beheading people in the fields and streets of the Middle East or any European nation lately. Nor have I seen them declaring JIHAD on any country that rejects their faith. In fact I see more Christians being PERSECUTED and EXECUTED for their faith than anything.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                Yes, thankfully in the West, pagan Roman law, secular Greek philosophy, and secular Enlightenment values have combined to moderate the historical bloodthirstiness of Christians enough that they only occasionally murder gays or doctors or their own children for not being religious enough. It’s good that you are influenced by those things more than you are by the Bible.

                • suqsid4

                  Homosexual activism and abortion rights drive the hatred towards Christians in the West.

                  Spare us the lectures on “bloodthirstiness” until you recognize the sea of blood filled from abortion.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  I was going to shred you again, then realized that you’re just trying to change the subject because you lost.

                  Does Jesus love that you are dishonest when your views turn out to not be persuasive or logical? C’mon, does He love it when you use spiteful deceit? I’m breathless with curiosity.

                • Peregrine2976

                  The blind hatred that many Christians have towards any not of their faith drives their own idiotic belief that everyone hates them and that they are somehow ‘persecuted’. I see you are one of these Christians.

                • sarge311

                  I take it from your posts that you are pro-life. So does that mean that you don’t eat meat? Or does that mean that only humans are entitled to live? If you are pro-life, that should encompass all life, right? Or are you a speciest that stuffs your friggin’ face with the rotted carcasses of animals slaughtered for the likes of you? Or don’t animals count in your perverted world of entitlement?

                • suqsid4

                  You’re an idiot.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Still breathless with curiosity here. Does Jesus love it when you lie to cover up your earlier lies? I’d change my icon to make it more blue-in-the-face from the breathlessness, but, being actually pro-life and not just a hypocritical misogynist like yourself, I can’t stand to see even a digital coyote suffer.

                • suqsid4

                  So it takes a misogynist to object to the destruction of new life?

                  Cite the lies, fool.

                • suqsid4

                  Speaking on behalf of new life is not the perverted entitlement conceived in that magnificent mind of yours.

            • paigemorrison

              Name a terrorist attack from a Christian, You can’t. You are scared of muslims and waste all your vitriol on Christians because you know they won’t come bomb your place of business or rape your kid. You atheists are all the same. Hateful bigots

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                Google “fatwa envy” to learn why you look like a pissy ignoramus right now. Not to mention a projecting bigot.

                Make sure to double down on the ignorance by being too stupid to reason out that American atheists tend to get attacked by Christians because they dominate the culture. Minority religionists are usually well-behaved, because they lack your Christlike sense of entitlement.

                Oh: Eric Rudolph. One of many Christian terrorists. Almost all terrorist attacks in the U.S. have been committed by Christians. It’s pitiful that you can’t Google… which means that fatwa envy will forever remain a mystery to you, I reckon.

                • suqsid4

                  As if abortion doesn’t terrorize tiny humans.

                  You’re a heartless bigot and an idiot.

                • RobMcCune

                  You’re a heartless bigot and an idiot.

                  Says the guy trying to justify terrorism.

                • suqsid4

                  Take your fabrication and shove it, punk.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Jesus must be so proud of you being dishonest and vile in order to defend your ignorant spite.

                • suqsid4

                  Now you’re an expert on Christianity. You’re still an idiot.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Don’t worry, Jesus is still proud of your being dishonest in order to camouflage your earlier lies and spite.

                • RobMcCune

                  What am I fabricating? When legitimate points are brought up about true christians terrorizing doctors and women, and you start going on about abortion. Why don’t you condemn christian violence?

                • suqsid4

                  I haven’t justified a single act of unlawful activity.

                  Christian violence? The killer had more in common with you, than Christianity.

                • RobMcCune

                  The killer had more in common with you, than Christianity.

                  Now whose fabricating things? Tell me how christian terrorists have nothing in common with christianity.

                • suqsid4

                  The killer is more of a male than a Christian.

                  I don’t care if you hate Muslims and Christians, but know what you’re talking about when discussing iniquity.

                • pen44

                  Walk away, suqsid4, don’t waste your time!! They’re just baiting you now…just walk away, and shake their dust off of your shoes.

                • suqsid4

                  No doubt, friend.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Does Jesus love it when you encourage and approve of documented liars, Penny? Feel free to mull it over.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  I don’t see how it could- most abortions happen before 12 weeks, and the brain structures necessary to feel pain (a much more basic neural response than any emotion) aren’t there until 20 weeks at the very earliest- most people go with 24 weeks. Fear responses are something only seen in born people and animals, and even then they’re usually learned.

                  You can’t scare something that has no brain with which to feel fear. Also, this post about Swedish women has nothing to do with abortion, so why bring it up?

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Blastocysts don’t have brains. Learn to Science, Dictionary and Logic, poor raging Angrums.

                  By the way, are you at least bright enough to grasp that you just jumped in to defend murderers who go after actual people as opposed to bundles of undifferentiated cells? Christ must be so proud of you right now for your libel, murderer-enabling and aimless, uneducated hate.

                  You know, the Christ from the book that doesn’t actually condemn abortions, and in fact describes how to perform them.

                • suqsid4

                  Whatever, dolt.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Poor angrums doesn’t know his Bible and is insecure about his relationship with Jesus.

              • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                Scott Roeder. Anders Breivik. Timothy McVeigh. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski. Every member of the KKK who bombed a house or bus or church or assassinated someone. Every Christian who has bombed an abortion clinic or shot an abortion doctor. Every terrorist in the Northern Ireland conflict, on both sides. Serbians in the conflicts in what used to be Yugoslavia.

                Those, mind you, are only the recent ones. I stayed with recent events, because if I went more than about 70 years back there’s just too many.

                • suqsid4

                  Christianity is about pacifism. But Choice results in slaughter of human life.

                  You’re a fool in denial.

                • RobMcCune

                  If christianity is about pacifism, then why are christians committing those atrocities in the name of religion?

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Wait for the holographic man from Edinburgh to show up in 3… 2…

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  So confused. I’m in denial about what? That Christians can be terrorists? Well, yes, they can. That Christianity is about pacifism? Since when? Quakers are, sure, but most sects aren’t. Who was it who declared the War on Terror again? I’m quite sure GW Bush was definitely a pacifist Christian, what with the anti-death penalty, anti-war, pro-environment stances he had … *giggle snort* sorry, couldn’t keep a straight face. He even claimed God talked to him and told him to bomb the shit out of the Muslim world!

                  Stop derailing about abortion. You say nothing new or terribly exciting, and it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. If you can’t say something relevant, don’t say anything at all.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  You’re in denial because you believe you’re talking to someone who knows what words mean. Suqsid4 does not. It’s very kind of you to pretend xe does, though.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  I try to be kind to those who are clearly in need. It’s my giant, soft heart, you see, that I can’t have because I’m an atheist with no morals.

                  Also, I’m really bored this afternoon.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Hey, me too! We should form a gaming group or cult or something.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  All hail the Mighty Master of Dungeons! Bow before hir mighty powers!

                  We can totally do both.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Well, they ARE the same thing, basically. But I was thinking more of a Christian cult, the 30,001st sect to have interpreted the Bible correctly this time:

                  See, Yahweh was the first DM, who was a tyrannical prick that begrudged every magical plus on items, but he was the manager at the only pizza place in town so he always had free pizza on Game Night, but would refuse to sell to anyone that didn’t show up at his games (RW would totally approve*). But one day he started smoking pot… too much pot**. He started going by his middle name, wore a wig all the time, and generally chilled the fuck out and let people use the optional sourcebooks, but he kept forgetting that he said sourcebooks were okay because, y’know, pot. And he pretty much stopped letting people roll for anything; instead, every other Friday was six hours of RPing walking and meeting peasants who all had the same bad accent and had stupid problems and couldn’t remember their own names. Then his dick cousin Paul started coming to games…

                  *Also he required his employees to never use garlic on pizza, even if they took it home, and checked up on them.

                  **lol right.

                  [[*rereads* Okay, hopefully the 5-hour energy drink will wear off soon.]]

                • Guest

                  Also, waitasecond… “hir”? There’s an unusual indeterminate gender pronoun. I am intrigued.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Also, waitasecond… “hir”? There’s an unusual indeterminate gender pronoun. I am intrigued.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  His + her. I use ze and hir usually. I don’t remember where I picked them up, honestly.

                • suqsid4

                  Your stereotyping and narrow sense of relevance are limitations you should learn to overcome.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  *Pat pat* It’s ok, dear, we know you don’t understand what words mean. That doesn’t mean you get to make up your own definitions, but we’ll work on it. It’s just a tiny bit of education; it won’t hurt one bit.

                • Peregrine2976

                  Christianity is about Peace. Most Christians are not. Most modern-day Christians have less to do with the Bible than most cows do. For example, God is cool with abortions. Technically, he doesn’t even consider a child alive until it has been out of the womb for over a month. If you’re going to fight abortion, at least do it honestly instead of making up some crap about God.

                • suqsid4

                  You’re incapable of honesty.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Poor angrums doesn’t know his own Bible.

                • suqsid4

                  I don’t have a Bible, you presumptuous fool.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Right, you have three or four. They sit on your coffeetable and desk 24/7 so people can know you’re serious help keep your furniture from floating away.

                  Doesn’t matter if you collect Talmuds or Korans or Chick Tracts, Angrums. Same god. Same skeevy persecution complex and dangerous irrational behavior.

                • sarge311

                  Tell that crap to the millions who were slaughtered during the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, etc. You’re nothing but a pro-fetus nut job who cares only about the organism growing inside a woman’s body but once it’s born, then you don’t give a shit about it then. The repubeliTARDS cut funding for women’s health, food assistance programs that help feed your precious babies, deny them housing and an education. But they are PRO-LIFE. Fucking hypocrite.

                • Dave Langers

                  Only tracking the number of comments that contain “fool”/”moron”/”idiot” and counting how many are “for” or “against” the christian view in this discussion, should already provide evidence that pacifism is not preached by listening to god.
                  And about choice leading to slaughter: I hope that you *chose* not to interpret christian dogma in the same way that Feminerd’s examples did.

                • suqsid4

                  To an atheist, there is no evidence of “god”, so its absurd for an atheist to make an assertion that involves listening to “god”.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Poor Angrums is dismissing the subject because him can’t handle the argument.

                • pen44

                  Feminerd, most that you named have not professed to be Christians. When abortion clinics are bombed, or doctors killed, we go after them, catch them & bring them to justice. Neither Tim McVeigh nor the Unabomber ever claimed ties to Christianity….and the KKK has always been on par with Hitler & the Faux Catholics who believe in murdering innocent babies, or in Hitler’s case, people. You will know them by the fruits (deeds)…..none that you mentioned showed any fruit of the Spirit of God, just Lucifer.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  If they claim to believe Jesus was the son of God who died and rose for their sins, they’re Christian. That’s a nice No True Scotsman you’ve got there, though.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Fetuses aren’t babies. Blastocysts aren’t babies. Embryos aren’t babies. Organisms that aren’t people, or even aware in any way, can’t be murdered. Why are Pro-Life Anti-Woman types always so terrible at learning even the basics of the arguments they claim to have?

                  Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic until not long before his execution. He said so in prison. Why are Pro-Life Anti-Woman types always unable to Google?

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                By the way, the 98%+ Christian population in prison all say you’re kind of a moron. I polled them. Wasn’t easy with the way they kept trying to convert me to their peaceful religion and get me to smuggle in drugs and weapons for them.

              • quatra

                Hmmm… You sound prety intolerant for a “christian”.

            • suqsid4

              Laugh away, you ignorant clown.

          • avi

            No u nit! Westboro church are not cited to rove Christians have extreme views to, so Muslims should be allowed to. Rather, the point people is make is that Just like Christianity and all Christians are not judged or stereo typed based upon Westboro, Islam and all Muslims shouldn’t be judged based upon the actions or views of some. Btw, There might not hv been any threats, might be all BS.

            • Stevo Hein

              A few? You mean 20,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11? A few? You mean 60% of Muslims in the UK stating they wanted to criminalise insulting muhammed. A few? You mean 10% of American Muslims who stated they felt sympathetic to Al Qaeda? May I go on?

          • Peregrine2976

            In the immortal words of Cracked.com:

            ‘Why do other countries hate us? New research suggests it’s because we’re bombing them.’

            One lunatic gets a couple other lunatics to crash a plane into a building. The U.S., in one of the biggest overreactions of all time, declares war on a nation he’s not hiding in, and occupies another nation that he could be hiding in, and STILL doesn’t find him until over a decade later – and then plays the hurt innocent when the people who live in these countries start to have a problem with the fact that we blew up their neighbourhoods.

            • Stevo Hein

              So why did the Tube bombing occur in Spain? Why was there a major terrorist attack in Bali in 2002? Why have there been terrorist attacks in western China? Why have there been terrorist attacks in sub-Saharan Africa, most of which are very sympathetic to Sharia. What about Indonesia? Malaysia? How many of these countries have invaded Iraq?
              Pathetic lefist masochist, it’s always our fault isn’t it? No, Islam is a violent and supremicist religion that is hostile to others who disagree with their worldview.

          • Mike Santoro

            maybe not in this decade…Islam is enjoying its day in the sun but Christianity has been pulling horrific acts of terrorism since its inception. all religion is a cancerous sore on the face of the earth.

          • Agrajag

            Difference being that this is Sweden. They’ll be treated reasonably — i.e. like anyone else staging a provocative but nonviolent demonstration – walk into a christian church and start waving banners praising abortions around, and you’ll get the same treatment.

            The news about Pussy Riot was the way they where treated, if they’d been handed a fine for disturbing the peace and set free, I doubt many would’ve reported it all that much. (apart from the fact that some fraction of the press likes to report anything that gives them the chance to show scantily clad women)

      • Peregrine2976

        How typically racist of you, old chap.

        Prejudice knows no race, no nationality, and no religion. ‘Tiny minded’ is not a synonym for ‘Muslim’ as much as it is a synonym for ‘most of humanity’. ie, the type of people who equate ‘tiny minded’ with ‘Muslim’.

        • Stevo Hein

          And what race are Muslims? You don’t see Asian Buddhists or Sikhs committing terrorist attacks every day, you don’t see them stoning rape victims in their own families, you don’t see them throwing acid in women’s faces. You don’t see them killing people for apostacy.

      • klhayes

        Many women in America cannot even breastfed in public without being harassed. We are not as open-minded as we think we are.

        • Stevo Hein

          Is that really the best example you have? So, rape victims in Islamic families are stoned, “bad wives” have acid thrown in their faces, honour killings are rampant wherever the religion of peace spreads its’ sword, Muslim women even in this country have their genitals mutilated, and this is all you have? Some people disapprovingly staring at breast-feeders?

          • klhayes

            Domestic violence is still very much a problem in America, with women typically being the victims of controlling men who make her think she deserved it. Women still lag behind men in wages and god forbid we use birth control. Honestly if it were up to some politicians, Shari’a law for women would be swiftly implemented. Young girls (and boys) are often sexually abused and in some situation the mother will choose the perpertrateor over their child. Some mothers willingly give their kids to abusers.
            Rape victims here are supposed to find the blessings in being brutalized and should be able to naturaly prevent a pregnancy.
            The point it we think we are so advanced in this country, but we really aren’t. We like to look at other cultures and say “look at how bad they are and how good we are” when we have our own issues. And yes, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to harass a breast-feeding woman.

            • Stevo Hein

              I didn’t say it wasn’t ridicilous, if it happens, I have never seen a breast-feeding women harrased but whatever, the point is, your examples are not equivilant to the suffering of women in the Islamic world. There are a lot of reasons behind the wage gap, not just “discrimination”, but again that is no comparison. And which politicians would instigate Sharia law? Why would Christian politicians instigate Islamic law moron?

      • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

        Muslim men? There aren’t any. They’re all savages and pedophiles.

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Shoo, shoo! We don’t want your kind here. You know, bigots.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          What a sad, stupid, evil wretch you are.

        • Stevo Hein

          Just like their paedophile prophet (pbuh lol) muhammed

    • Agrajag

      Precicely. And it’s worth noting that Aliaa became well-known after having been harassed and received masses of death-threats after posting this picture on her own personal blog: http://www.jadaliyya.com/content_images/fck_images/Alias-Nude-Picture-.jpg

      I think it’s quite understandable that she’s angry about that.

  • Mick

    There were a huge number of pot bellied Muslims buying boxes of tissues on the way home from the mosque that day.

    • WallofSleep

      First, I’m not a muslim. Second, I don’t attend any mosque. Third, I… wait, I forgot where I was going with this.

    • baal

      Down vote for fat shaming, masturbation negativity and mischaracterization of Muslim men. The Muslim men I’ve met and spent time with in college were mentally disturbed by the suntanning women – think like something bad happened to you and you were flustered. They were not aroused or dying with horniness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Harrison/23417637 Michael Harrison

    I have said for a while we need to revive Minoan religious practice and dress.

  • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

    Good for them. It takes brave women to do what they did. I’m glad such courageous and dedicated women are on our side, fighting against theocracy.

  • A3Kr0n

    Between this and setting fire to that straw goat at Christmas all the time, I just don’t know what to make of those silly Swedes.

    • Cate

      They are most definitely awesome.

  • observer

    God forbid someone gets a boner.

    • WallofSleep

      Too late.

  • Roshan Menon

    I’m not for this kind of protests which brings a lot of negative impressions on non-believers. However look at the difference : fundamentalists have bombs vs FEMEN have boobs! Which one hurts people?

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      Boobs can be very dangerous. Many men have crashed into objects while staring at them.

      Yes, men stare at boobs of all sizes. Not sure why we do it, but we do.

      • closetatheist

        Why is it always “men get distracted by boobs”? This is the 21st century! Let’s all admit that women can be equally distracted by nice boobs and could be involved in dangerous accidents as well… awareness, people. now you have it.

        • Cate

          It’s true! If the boobs are nice enough (or horrifying enough) anyone can be distracted by them!

        • Tainda

          I was going to say the same thing.

          I hate looking at huge fake boobs though, may be just me.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

          I shall be honest. Never thought about it that way.

        • Divan Roets

          Rather change that to “muslim men get distracted by boobs”,

      • Petra Thompson

        “men stare at boobs of all sizes. Not sure why we do it, but we do”

        Gay men don’t.

        • Mike

          But it doesn’t stop gay men from fondling they lady friend’s boobs and exclaiming “it’s ok, I’m gay.’

      • petepassword

        Doesn’t happen in naturist circles, so assume it’s because most, even Swedish society, want them covered, the police were hustling them away trying to cover them up. Same in UK. It’s the hidden naughty bits, and most men are kidults anyway.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

          I myself am a butt man. I prefer women with small breast but I like me a healthy backside. Easier to get away looking at them too but your point is well made.

      • EdEKit

        Men have crashed into things staring at fancy motorcycles.

    • Pseudonym

      Do any people in this mosque have bombs? I’m betting on “no”.

      • Darrell Ross

        Perhaps not. But they were protesting sharia law which has been encroaching in some parts of Europe and has insanely severe punishments for women now remaining covered from head to foot – it’s a terribly patriarchal system.

        • Pseudonym

          Nonetheless, my point remains: more feminists have boobs than fundamentalists have bombs, by a factor of craploads.

  • narmi

    I’m here for the tits and I believe religions are for the idiots.

    • WallofSleep

      “I’m here for the tits…”

      There are much better websites for that sort of thing, many of them free of charge.

      Granted, these women are lovely. Gorgeous even. But all jokes aside, their power, strength, determination, bravery and influence are all far greater than their mammary glands.

      I would ask you to reflect on that for a moment. And by that I mean what they stand for and what they are trying to accomplish, and not just their tits.

  • Wood5y55

    brilliant well done girl! Muslims are the most oppressed people on the planet! Poor woman and what they are born into is disgusting and occationally barbaric. Men practice it to control woman!

  • Noah Smith

    Do not click play if the sight of women offends you. I’m surprised at the article’s implication that these types of protests will show atheism in a bad light. But so what? FEMEN aren’t shilling for atheism, they’re protesting against patriarchy.

  • double-m

    “Breasts, for whatever reason, have the power to shock, and I don’t think shock tactics such as semi-nude disruptions of religious services will make atheists more loved anywhere on the planet. Not even in live-and-let-live liberal Sweden.”

    No, FEMALE brests do. I think that’s one of the points FEMEN are trying to make. I doubt these pious individuals would be half as “outraged”, if a male had shown his bare chest to them. And yet I keep being told by people I’ve come to trust, that nipples are erogenous zones for males as well. And yet looking at a bare male chest is certainly a lot more stimulating for me than looking at a shirt. So why exactly would it make me an “outlier” to show my breasts, while you, Hemant, no doubt have no problem running around on beaches, in sports facilities and elsewhere, shirtless? Why, in fact, would I probably be a lot more ashamed to show my breasts than you would? Well, allow me to take a guess, it has something to do with the fact that I was raised in a mainstream religion.

    • Sarah

      To be fair, this isn’t Hemant writing. It’s Terry.

      • double-m

        Oops, my apologies. (note to self: read everything, not just the text itself)

    • islandbrewer

      To be fair, the “outlier” refers to the tactics used to protest, not the naked female breasts, per se. They are shock tactics, designed to outrage and offend those with absurd and illogical social sensibilities. Terry wasn’t saying there was anything wrong with it, just that it doesn’t necessarily create a dialog or change attitudes in the way you may want it to.

  • fellow

    They have their point but this is basically disrespectful when done on private property. What you do outside and in public is your business. But you do not have rights to violate someone’s private property – That is encroaching on that persons belief system – and your entire argument of free rights goes right out the door because you just violated those Muslims free right to worship. I don’t know anyone that would have stood up for this if it had been your child’s elementary school or pre-school.

    • Ewan

      “this is basically disrespectful”

      Tell us some more about how we should respect misogynist islamists, their promotion of sharia law, and their freedom to call women whores.

    • SocraticGadfly

      Well put. Regardless of what one thinks of more fundamentalist Muslims (who aren’t, of course, all Muslims), there is that issue of private property, rights to privacy and rights to religious freedom, whether here in the US or the Swedish equivalent. To everyone applauding this, what if Randall Terry barged into, say, CFI headquarters, started sprinkling water around, and said he was baptizing people?

    • smorbidity

      “That is encroaching on that persons belief system”

      Religious leaders have no compunction about disrespecting people’s privacy when they try to force non-believers to live according to their religious beliefs.

      I think it’s great that these women are stepping on toes. Maybe this will teach the religious to live and let live.

  • Steve

    I salute them! :’|

  • petepassword

    Nice one sisters, they’re scared of women. The only thing they can do that women can’t is grow a beard, pathetic wankers.

    • Artor

      Sorry, but I know a couple women at least that can do that, so even that isn’t exclusive to the menz.

  • Beth

    “Breasts, for whatever reason, have the power to shock, and I don’t think shock tactics such as semi-nude disruptions of religious services will make atheists more loved anywhere on the planet. ”

    I would love to see more breasts in everyday life. :-)

  • monkey for sale

    Brave and honourable women.

    This is democracy in action. For far too long now muslims have been using our democracy as a weapon against us.

    Democracy and freedom of speech was hard fought and hard won , and the Islamist in Europe represent a real and growing threat to those hard won liberties.

  • Peter

    I really don’t see why women’s breasts would offend anybody. I’m perfectly OK with them.

  • Cassandra

    Hahaha well done! I’m glad she disturbed their peace. Muslims live their lives disturbing everyone else’s peace. Screw Islam!

  • Chris

    The sad irony of this page is I see ads for Lancôme beauty makeup. I’m a fan of this blog but choose your advertiser list wiser or block the beauty ads pushing chemicals on women.

    • TCC

      How much control do you think that Hemant has over the ads?

    • Artor

      How many times do people have to be told that website owners do not pick the ads that appear on their sites? How have you not learned this yet? Are you new to the internet?

    • Mario Strada

      Adblock. Otherwise all those ad engines to is associate keywords. Half the ads on this blogs are for christian events. It’s the internet.

  • Margaret Swaid

    What, she didn’t throw some bacon at us too? What a loser this woman is. She needs psychiatric intervention because she obviously has mental instability. The non muslim woman who is apparently in the lead on this…well. Why doesn’t she go to Israel and protest against the REAL oppression? This is just more of the same Swedish bull pucky. And we should not call this girl a muslim because she isn’t one. She shouldn’t flatter herself. She’s OUT.

    • Carmelita Spats

      Loser? She came out of this with her lovely head on her shoulders! She’s clearly the winner. Flatter herself? She’s ALIVE which is more than she’d get under Sharia law. Having a chance to live another day in a free society is so much more flattering than the sour belief in a prickly prophet who had a hankerin’ for out-of-control joyrides to heaven on a flying horse with a woman’s face. Now THAT is more embarrassing than depicting the holy man in an itchy Speedo, a snug tank top and flippers. Prophets don’t have to be nudists. However, there is simply no reason why prophets can’t be delightful fashionistas…


  • AlexanderTG

    “I don’t think shock tactics such as semi-nude disruptions of religious services will make atheists more loved anywhere”

    This protest has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. Where did you get that from?

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      The assumption will be made by the religious.

  • linlin

    I hope she will be ok. Rather that both of these brave young ladies will not have any more death threats, I pray to my Christian God that they will live a long and happy life.

  • 135na70

    Go baby Go. Let Freedom ring. Liberty and justice for all.

  • brian buckley

    indeed these women’s bodies are no sin!!! good for you girls!!

  • emirjame

    “Breasts, for whatever reason, have the power to shock”. Maybe this journalist misses that that “fact” is entirely up for debate. Not everyone will be shocked and maybe we shouldn’t mollify those who are shocked, but just tell them to accept the facts.

    • smorbidity

      Yeah, I have some old copies of National Geographic magazine that are filled with photos of topless women in native tribes and villages. The locals seem anything but shocked.

  • fuzzylogic

    Was that clip from broadcast television? The lack of censorship is quite impressive.

    • islandbrewer

      It’s Sweden, of course. Boobs don’t destroy civilization there like they do in the US.

  • Anna

    I abhor the sexism within Islam, but the members of this Swedish mosque weren’t the same individuals as the ones in Egypt sending Elmahdy death threats. No doubt the majority of the mosque attendees are horribly sexist as well (the cries of “whore!” are more than enough to prove that), but the protest seems, to me, to be a tad misplaced. Is bursting into this mosque the best way to protest women’s oppression? Have the imam or other leaders in the mosque been advocating for sharia law in Sweden? If so, then I would say it was an appropriate venue, but if not, it seems like the protest may have done little to further their cause. It may have caused said Muslims to become even more entrenched in their views.

  • AZ

    Yeah, no. I support FEMEN and being an atheist ex-Muslim Pakistani (and I do NOT have any other nationality at this point) I do NOT think that intruding in someone else’s space is a good tactic. Sure, you can demonstrate outside but how would YOU feel if the crazy Islamist protestors burst into a Women in Secularism Conference?
    Being an ex-Muslim woman from a Muslim country, I understand this oppression because I have lived it and I get regular death threats; but at the same time, I do not appreciate disrespectful behavior like this. This is NOT how you demand equality and help those who are really in need. I understand political theater & protest but, like I said, if they were so compelled to protest the Islamists, they should’ve done it OUTSIDE the mosque instead of barging into a space like that.
    If the wives and daughters of these Islamist men had done that, it would be a little bit of a different story but this is something I wouldn’t do and trust me, I have protested with a bare body too: http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2012/05/24/the-koran-between-her-legs/

    • Ewan

      “This is NOT how you demand equality and help those who are really in need.”

      Really. Maybe you could run through the history of civil rights movements and explain in which ones the oppressed have beaten their oppressors by asking nicely?

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        That doesn’t resemble what she said.

    • suqsid4

      I up-voted your comment, but it’s also important to recognize that Islam has first trespassed against women, not only in the West but every region it inhabits.

    • smorbidity

      Aliaa Elmahdy was kidnapped while in Egypt because she posted a nude photo on her blog. The men who took her debated about whether or not to rape her, and finally decided they wouldn’t because they thought she was a virgin. Now she’s in Sweden.

      Since Muslim men seem to have no problem encroaching upon the freedoms of women, I see no reason why she shouldn’t show them the same disrespect in this comparatively mild way.

      • Sarah

        Different Muslim men.

  • John J. Mercieca

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  • Kristin Gladstone Thomas

    People should be allow to worship as they choose even atheists, no one should be denied their religious rights, BUT neither should one religion dominate from a cultural standpoint like Islam has done in too much of Europe. And this is coming to the United States.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Except for the part where it isn’t.

  • Freshpulp

    Protesting objectification by objectifying oneself. Defiance of being defined by a man by defining yourself by male reaction. This is idiotic.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      You need a new dictionary if you think that is “objectifying oneself.”

      • Freshpulp

        Merriam Webster says:

        Express (something abstract) in a concrete form: “good poetry objectifies feeling”.
        Degrade to the status of a mere object.

        Both of which happen to be true in this case.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          You were only concerned about the second one, which doesn’t apply, as they were humanizing themselves. Now you’re just trying to cover your ass. Context matters, and playing word games doesn’t protect you from it.

          • Freshpulp

            If they weren’t objectifying themselves they would have chosen something other than symbolic protest. Which most know achieves nothing. The Egyptian girl would have written her own Islamic opinion in addition to the course she took or used some other measure that included an intellectual discourse or invitation to dialogue. Without out it, she has used her body as a means that will not achieve the ends she desires. THAT makes it self objectifying.

            • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

              Symbolic protest accomplishes nothing, except when it accomplishes everything. Why were the suffragists arrested for ripping up Wilson’s speeches about freedom and democracy and burning them? Because the nation was at war for freedom in Europe, and women didn’t have it at home, but the symbolic disregard for the President in time of war still got them arrested.

              Why did people have sit-ins at lunch counters? Because the symbolism of sitting at a counter, not being served, hit people. Why do we care so much about Ten Commandments monuments in the US? Because symbolism matters, and those monument symbolically exclude a lot of people.

              What these women did is the opposite of objectification. They stood there, bare-chested, and said “I am a human being. My body is not a sin. I am not a temptation, a seductress, a whore, or a reward. I am a person.” That is a powerful protest.

        • smorbidity

          “Degrade to the status of a mere object.”

          I fail to see how removing one’s shirt is degrading oneself. I do it all the time and I feel fine about it.

          The fact that you view a topless female as an object says much about your conditioning. And it is this conditioning that FEMEN is protesting against.

  • Dave

    @ Paige Morrison. The IRA comitted a number of terrorist attacks. Interchristian Protestant and catholic wars in Britain. And still do sporadically now.

  • putupjob

    My interest in the film clip was purely to offer support for the protesters.
    It is important to support the rights of protesters.

  • Shane Reagan Kroll

    tim McVeigh was not a.Christian. he was(according to himself) an atheist. the fact is, almost all terrorist attacks in the United States over the last 70 years have been atheist communist, anarchists, or Muslims. Though I agree that folks have done terrible things in the name of all religions, it pales in comparison to the rape murder and mayhem carried out in the name of.godless statism.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      In “godless statism”, the State IS the god. That’s why they consider Christianity to be competition.

      Claiming almost all terror attacks in the U.S. were done by non-Christians is untruthful. There’s a reason the FBI has to watch the hell out of Christian groups. You wouldn’t believe how many of their planned attacks have been averted over the years, or how many have been carried out.

      Mcveigh was still a Catholic at least one year AFTER his attack. Google.

    • smorbidity

      Atheists are not blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors and nurses.
      Also, the KKK is a Christian group, as are many “white power” groups.

      And McVeigh, a rabidly anti-government extremists, supported anything but “godless statism.”

      • Shane Reagan Kroll

        yea, lots of abortion clinics getting blown up? and that kkk has been on rampage. nicr try. though you did try to portray McVeigh as a Christian. which of course you knew he wasn’t. the fact remain that over the last 70 years, the vast majority of terrorist action in the U.S was perpetrated by atheist, communist, a.anarchist, or Muslims. And the overwhelming amount of state sponsored murders, rapes, and torture were carried out by godless cocommunists or socialists. facts is facts chairman mao.

  • san rafael blue

    Terry Firma, sounds like a clever pen name. I like the courage of the Swedish girls on this issue. The newcomers must be ready to adapt certain attitudes of this new land. If seeing deviation from sharia living greatly disturbs one, that person should not move to a western type of nation.

  • waldopepper

    That’s what happens when ya let all them fkn ragheads into your country! Russia has the right attitude.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      What the fuck is wrong with you? Shoo! We’ll have no racism here.

  • Jack Buckmeir

    by yimminy, by yeesus!!

  • Duane in USA

    We need more brave people like this. Islam seeks to subjugate all non-believers. The Koran commands death to the infidels. There is no place in the civilized world for them.

  • commandergreen

    Why are they allowing muslime in the west

  • commandergreen

    Every white person should have at least 3 white children, this will ensure our race is always growing and expanding. All we need to is last 300 more years and the rest of the world population will start decreasing as well, by 2200 the worlds population will half to 3.5 billion, by 2300 it will be less then 1 billion. Let the anti-whites, self hating whites go extinct, we are better off without them.

    Its a war of attrition and the anti-whites are already celebrating our death, they are the true haters. We will see who laughs last.

    • smorbidity

      Go back to Stormfront please. Rational adults are talking here.

  • Karen

    That was totally AWESOME!!!!! A woman’s body is naturally BEAUTIFUL!

  • Dede

    Muslim faith is so fragile that followers are threatened by the very same pair of tits their mother have? Also Terry Firma: grow a bloody spine cause I don’t really care if applying shock therapy to retarded people is wrong. Thats bloody Stockholm and not Peshawar. Thats OUR place, Europe. And we don’t have to take any kind of sh..t from people who scream at tits and neglect to scream at terrorism. If muslim are SO mistreated in europe, they can pack their stuff and live their medieval, sexist creepy ideal elsewhere. They won’t be missed at all.

  • Rebecca Armstrong

    Thank you for supporting these women from the group Femen, whose official poster for years showed the picture of a bare-breasted woman holding a bloodied sickle and a severed scrotum: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Yal921hPMD4/UK1Z5f_Y87I/AAAAAAAACho/mzMmEGbHEho/s1600/femen-sait-02.jpg

    These women are obviously heroes for breaking into private property to protest death threats from a group of Egyptian Muslims, by showing their breasts to a totally different group of Swedish Muslims.

    People like you give atheism a bad name.

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  • jimbojamesiv

    So freakin’ brave.



  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Holly-Van-Voast/100001775347788 Holly Van Voast

    I think that the whole idea of women who go topless FOR ANY REASON, being thought of as exhibitionists is ludicrous. The WORLD is full of exhibitionists and attention whores who don’t have the guts to go topless for any reason. If anyone does this it is simply because they have guts and they see a progressive world. I am not sure if this woman in involved with FEMEN, I don’t agree that breasts are weapons and women’s bodies are for protest… but people freak out when they see breasts, way way too much, that is clear.

    Here is the trailer for the documentary TOPLESS SHOCK SYNDROME, I have been documenting the reactions of the public and celebrities when they see a topless woman… it has been a two year project, and was VERY involved and I now have a huge lawsuit against the NYPD because they arrested me and involuntarily hospitalized me when it has been legal to be topless in NY State since 1992. The actual 21st anniversary of it being legal is JUly 7, 2013 —

    here is the documentary trailer link — it has Ramona Santorelli, Moira Johnston, Ron Kuby, and more!!! This issue is just growing.


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  • per lillendahl

    Wonderfull!!! Thats the future, a hope all wimen around the world do the same thing! It would end Islamisation….

  • brian buckley

    to those who commented on my comment. YES i am afraid of Muslims… ORTHODOX Muslims. ie; religious fanatic muslims… also ORTHODOX Christians, religious fanatic christians!! they are of the very same mindset..what is that? that THEY have the “TRUTH”. they are MORALLY superior and have moral “CERTITUDE”. Christians HAVE committed terrorism in the USA; read up on Eric Randolph for religious reasons “terrorized” other American(s) to get his myopic minded interpretation of christian sharia law enforced in the USA. But i digress (because he insisted i list ONE christian terrorist, so i did; now EAT IT). American christians WOULD do similar social terrorism (ie forced religious morality) down the throats of non believing americans EXCEPT that the US is (at the moment) STILL a nation of LAWS that PREVENTS

  • brian buckley

    excuse me; i continue.. that PREVENTS them from cramming their bronz age thinking down the throats of every American.

  • Matryem

    Thank you girls, thank you so much for making a stand. Your protest goes a lot deeper than women’s freedom or rights. It is a show that Islam, whether under sharia law or any other will not be a force in Europe!


    I think that they should be arrested. You don’t go to peoples churches and disrespect them like that. Period. I do not like the Muslim faith, in fact, I am totally against it, but this publicity stunt is just childish, hippy BS, just like the Pussy Riot BS.


    Not much to look at….couldn’t they get Dolly Parton?

  • Didi

    I always thought that only women can oppose Islam. Really happy to see this, Bravo! (And I am from a “muslim” country)

  • ErikSlajus

    Stupid racist Ukrainians from Femen. They’re just trying scare the Muslims out.

    • angel_e

      “racist”? Really.. do tell… exactly what “race” is Islam?

      • ErikSlajus

        Middle east and foreigners in general.

        • angel_e

          Actually there are countless non-foreign Muslims living in their respective native Western countries as well.

          But that’s really not the point here. The point is that Islam is NOT a race. It is a religious-political doctrine. A totalitarian doctrine, at that. One that is rife with violations against basic human rights the world over.

          To suggest that people who oppose the advancements of Radical Islam throughout the world, particularly in the Western world — and the kowtowing to those advancements by PC Western governments — do so because they are “racist” is absolutely baseless and absurd.

          Oh and… in case it has escaped you…
          Islam is NOT a race.

          • ErikSlajus

            “A totalitarian doctrine, at that.” Whatever tinfoil jockey.

            • angel_e

              Authoritarian, Dualism (which is still Authoritarian in the different laws which apply to Muslims and non-Muslims).

              I guess the Muslim men on Death Row in Paskistan, as I type, scheduled to be executed by hanging for the horrific crime of being in a homosexual relationship — those convicted of being in a homosexual relationship even when not true –

              And those Muslim women scheduled to be executed by stoning for the unspeakable crime of “adultery” (i.e., for having been brutally raped and beaten in most cases while the perpetrators go free) …

              all forgot to wear their tinfoil hats to protect them from their paranoid delusions about Sharia law (FYI, genius, Islamic law).

              Or how about those non-Muslim, non-Resident women in Dubai arrested and incarcerated for having “sex outside of marriage” after having been drugged and raped. One Australian woman stayed in Jail for 8 months while the “tinfoil” Australian Embassy struggled for her release.

              I could go on… but it is clear it would be wasted on you in your ill-informed hat. Your ad hominems do nothing to negate the reality. But go ahead. Keep your blinders on. You are in the majority so you’ve got plenty of company.

  • Fasdunkle

    political meetings are often disrupted. Churches and mosques are no different. If religious misogyny should not get a free pass because they claim there is a god. If they are pushing regressive, repressive, homophobic, misogynistic, supremacist bullcrap they should be protested against. Well done Femen