Liberty Counsel: DOMA Repeal Will Lead to Christian Revolution

There’s a revolution coming — led by Christian Americans who are furious that the Supreme Court has redefined their marriages.

Or so says Mat Staver, the chairman of notoriously anti-gay Liberty Counsel. It comes as no surprise that Staver has long warned about the apocalyptic repercussions of repealing the Defense of Marriage Act and Proposition 8. Now that the Supreme Court has all but abolished both anti-gay laws, Staver won’t keep quiet.

Here’s the video, courtesy of Right Wing Watch:

Speaking to Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber, Staver says there’s a “coercive component” to the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down a provision of DOMA that makes it even worse than Roe v. Wade. (What could be worse than women’s rights? Gay rights!)

The difference, he says, is that Roe v. Wade didn’t “force people to have abortions,” but DOMA’s repeal forces people to “abolish their religious beliefs” at risk of punishment. And he warns that’s going to lead to a Christian revolution.

(Last time I checked, DOMA’s downfall doesn’t require you to marry someone of the same sex or give up your religion — and you can’t exactly be “fined or jailed” for disapproving of marriage equality. Do I hear someone crying anti-Christian-persecution again?)

The icing on the cake is at the end of the clip when Barber says this is “akin to Joseph Stalin‘s Russia.” Because allowing people of the same sex to marry is totally the same thing as executing hundreds of thousands of people who don’t agree with you. Right?

As Joe Jervis reports, Staver made essentially the same comments just after the Court announced its DOMA and Prop 8 decisions, but seeing him get all huffy and puffy on camera is so much sweeter. Somehow, I’m not too worried about this revolution.

About Camille Beredjick

Camille is a twentysomething working in the LGBT nonprofit industry. She runs an LGBT news blog at gaywrites.org.

  • Bert Russell

    The federal government’s recognition and protection of same-sex marriages does not “force” anyone to abandon their religious beliefs. If a person chooses to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, they are free to do so, and, perhaps more importantly, they are also free to live by their beliefs and only marry a person of the opposite sex. I am a vegetarian. Following this logic means the government is forcing me to believe/act a way that I find ethically wrong by merely allowing others to make their own dietary choices. Which is nonsense, and why what Staver and his ilk are arguing is nonsense also.

    • Mackinz

      We know that.

      The thing is, religious right republitards like those filling the Liberty Counsel truly believe that their religion is repressed when they cannot shame people for being different.

    • Gus Snarp

      OK, seriously someone needs to take all the anti marriage equality commentary out there and make it anti meat commentary. We need a constitutional amendment banning carnivorous diets! They’re unnatural! They can’t produce healthy cardiovascular systems! A heart grows best with a diet made up of one grain and one bean, not two meats!

      • busterggi

        Bacon Lives!

        • The Other Weirdo

          No. It doesn’t.

          • Spuddie

            It used to.

            • The Other Weirdo

              Pedantically, it never did. The pig it came from lived, but bacon by definition is dead. There is a reason the word was invented. “Dead pig” doesn’t sound nearly as appetizing as ‘bacon’.

              • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                Kind of disagree, but that might be because in my slightly mordant sense of humor, I refer to various types of meats as “dead X” on a fairly regular basis. So to me, the two are fairly synonymous.

                Dead pig is delicious. So is dead cow, dead chicken, dead shrimp, dead lobster … and so forth. I also like dead strawberries and dead wheat and dead soy beans. We kill everything we eat.

                • islandbrewer

                  Actually, if you eat raw vegetables and fruits, you may be eating some live plants, particularly if you eat things with seeds (raw green beans, peas, some fruits). I know, it’s just a few living cells, but that’s all it takes for a plant.

                • Nate Frein

                  Next time I eat fresh peas I will imagine them screaming as I chew <3

                • Gus Snarp

                  Isn’t that eating babies?

                • Nate Frein

                  More like eating fetuses, IMO.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Just like eggs!

                • Nate Frein

                  Eh. Unfertilized eggs are only half of a fetus.

                  Balut, on the other hand…

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Eh, occasionally I see the spot of blood in an egg that means it got fertilized. Granted that most eggs aren’t chicken fetuses, but especially if you buy farmer’s market or organic/free range eggs, some of them are going to be fertilized.

                • Nate Frein

                  True. I’m afraid supermarket eggs are more what I can afford.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Oh me too lol! But a few times we did stuff in youth group that included baking, and we always had to check the eggs for blood spots before using them; if it had blood in it, it counted as meat, and we couldn’t use it for baking with dairy. If it didn’t, it was parve (neutral) and we could. We always checked even the supermarket eggs, because sometimes they get fertilized somehow. So I learned about eggs that way.

                • Gus Snarp

                  Ah, the great philosophical question: When is a strawberry dead?

                • islandbrewer

                  That’s easy! A strawberry is dead when all the germinal cells are lysed or the nucleic acids and proteins are denatured.

                  Who says philosophy is hard!

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Fair. It’s going to be dead when I’m done with it, though! Om nom nom digestion.

                • baal

                  The vegetables I eat are very much alive (usually). Sure, being out of the ground and chopped up means the cells will die soon but there is a time window between harvest and death. I prefer to eat them still living in that window. If i have to, I’ll cook them but it’s not my preferred route.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  I liked cooked ones a lot. Stir-fried, roasted with a bit of olive oil, sauteed in butter or soy sauce, etc. Salads are good too, of course, and those are usually raw. But overall, I like cooked veggies better than raw ones.

                  Grains are dead, though. By the time wheat gets pounded into flour which gets cooked into bread/cake/pasta whatever, I’m pretty sure it’s very dead. Same with the processing necessary to get tofu from soy.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  You, too? I can taste (and smell) the difference between chicken, beef, pork, etc.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Isn’t that normal? Can’t most people tell the difference?

                  Please tell me most people can tell the difference between chicken and beef …

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  I have no idea. I just assume, since I’m highly sensory (joy!), most people don’t experience food (or life) the way I do. I’m so used to picking up on things that nobody else notices that it’s actually quite weird to hear someone else going, “me, too!”

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Heh. I have some good senses and some bad ones. My hearing and tactile aren’t so great, and my sight is very average (with good low-light adaptability), but my smell and taste are better than most.

                  I cook based off smell, usually. I can smell when things need more spices and which ones are needed. I was surprised to learn most people don’t/can’t do that.

                  I don’t sneak soy sauce past people- I use it happily. It’s delicious, and mixes well with so many other things! Red wine, sesame oil, peanut oil, ginger, garlic, even black pepper … I just make sure to get the ones that don’t have MSG in them.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Oh, and don’t try to sneak soy past me — I can taste it.

              • Spuddie

                Dead pig sounds a lot better than the more accurate “chemically preserved pig belly fat”.

                • Nate Frein

                  chemically preserved pig belly fat

                  Stop it, you’re making me hungry D:

                • islandbrewer

                  Does dead pig sound better than live pig? Well, does to me, I like my food to stay still.

              • Greg G.

                Pigs are bacon on the hoof. Next you’ll be telling us that cured ham isn’t healthy either.

    • Scott_In_OH

      You are right, but I hope they keep pushing this line. It’s ridiculous even within their own frame of reference.

      To them, Roe v. Wade forces them to sit idly by while thousands of babies are killed every day. Abolishing DOMA forces them to sit idly by while a bunch of people get married.

      If they keep telling their flocks the latter is worse than the former, it could actually undermine support for their anti-abortion position.

      • JCNow

        A fertilized egg does not a baby make, and is no more a human being than a sperm cell is. Both have human DNA. Both live. Both require an intervening act or acts before they become a human being. For an unborn, that intervening act is a woman willing to allow her body to be used as an incubator for nine months. Absent that, there is no baby.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    You can tell that Good-Jesus-and-Apple-Pie Christians(tm) are good patriotic Americans, by the way they call for open armed rebellion against the government. Not like those pesky communist gays who seek to change the government through the established legal channels.

    • sam

      Yes, but their long and rich christian heritage insists that they openly rebel against authorities with whom they disagree. For example,

      RO 13:1-2 – Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from god, & those which exist are established by god. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of god; they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
      1Pet 2:13-14 – Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human
      institution whether to a king as supreme or to governors as those sent by him…
      Titus 3:1 – Remind people to be subject to rulers & authorities, to obey…

      Oh, wait…I’m sure I must be taking those out of context somehow.

      • Cheryl Hanna

        Right? But do they actually read that book? lol

        When your reasons for rebellion are to take away the freedoms of others… you’re free to spew your hate, but don’t think it’s in line with the principles that the Founders established.

  • Gus Snarp

    I just cannot get this mentality that this somehow forces people to abolish their beliefs. It just makes no sense. It has no effect on any of these people, their beliefs, or their ability to practice their religion.

    Unless…..damn it, he’s right, I just got this letter from the federal gubmint telling me my marriage is nullified and I must now seek out a man to marry. Says here they’ll be watching to make sure I consummate the marriage. Damn.

    • Stev84

      Somehow they completely equate holding a certain belief with forcing everyone else to share this belief, or at least force everyone to live with its result.

      • The Other Weirdo

        Somehow?

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Dude, it’s their whole schtick!

    • Rob U

      I just got this letter from the federal gubmint telling me my marriage is nullified and I must now seek out a man to marry.

      I’m not married but if the gubmint is telling men they have to marry other men then I’m calling dibs on John Barrowman!

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        You’ll have to get past the fangirls first…

      • Stev84

        Too late. He is taken:

        http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20714531,00.html

    • SmallestOfSpoons

      If you buy into a belief system that mandates such things as spiritually conquering all differing viewpoints, horrible eternal consequences for failure, utter submission to an unseen Big Brother as well as his earthly agents, a non-coercive belief can be nigh incomprehensible.

  • Baby_Raptor

    I pay taxes. These Fuckers don’t.

    There’s something really wrong with that.

    • 3lemenope

      I’m pretty sure that individually, they pay taxes just like you.

      • Baby_Raptor

        I am unsure whether or not they have to pay taxes on their paychecks, since they earn said checks from a “nonprofit.”

        But I was more ranting at the group. I was unclear; that was my fault.

        • 3lemenope

          The only un-taxed income from labor in the US used to be that of Indians who are not counted for purposes of population because they choose to affiliate primarily with a reservation/tribe instead of as a US citizen. Since the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the citizenship clause is read as amended to simply include all persons born (or naturalized) in the US, and so that exception doesn’t even exist anymore.

          If you work for a non-profit, even a religious one, your income will be taxed just like everyone else’s.

          But I was more ranting at the group. I was unclear; that was my fault.

          No worries. They are Fuckers, after all. :)

          • Baby_Raptor

            I have been educated! Thanks for taking the time to explain.

            • 3lemenope

              I hasten to add that military combat pay (and only combat pay) is also not taxed.

              If you’d like to be pissed at these fuckers for tax shenanigans, you can always take aim at the fact that houses of worship often pay pastors a housing allowance which is *Very* generous, and is not taxed because it is not considered income.

              • Nate Frein

                Would “per diem” type pay fall under that category?

                Edit: That is, not taxed because not income?

                • 3lemenope

                  Often, a type of labor income will seem not taxed because it is not taxed through the withholding system. Per diem and contract employees tend to not go through withholding, and so have to pay the taxes in a chunk on the front end come Tax Day.

                • Nate Frein

                  Oh, I meant situations where a person is sent “on the road” and given a daily allowance for food. That’s what I’m used to being called “per diem”.

                • 3lemenope

                  Ah, yes. Yeah, those are also not usually considered income and are not taxed.

            • LrdVapid

              Pastors are also able to opt out of Social Security. At least, this was how it was explained to me when I worked at the accounting firm. Between choosing not to pay SS taxes and the housing allowance pastors are able to get quite a bit of income tax free. There were even situations where professors at a theological seminary who were ordained would get a large part of their pay in a housing allowance. It is disappointing how often the religious leaders who preach about the evils of this world try so hard to acquire as much wealth as they can.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          It’s more that they get perks from their nonprofits, so they effectively earn more, sometimes vastly more money than is reported. And sometimes they just steal money, like when Sarah Palin paid her daughter $300,000 to be a “spokesperson”, said paycheck coming out of Palin’s campaign fund.

  • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

    “forces people to abolish their beliefs.” Get r done!

  • Gus Snarp

    It will force you to actually capitulate, to comply and to accept to affirm and to acknowledge and if you don’t you have to get punished fined, perhaps even jailed. lose your license, not be able to pursue you profession

    Do they actually believe that? Who is going to make anyone affirm or acknowledge anything? How? Fined, jailed, lose a license, not be able to pursue a profession? What the hell is he talking about? Florists? Bakers? Honestly, providing flowers or cakes is not affirming anything. It’s not participating. It’s just providing a service to the public. You’d think those people would be happy to have the business.

    Religious officiants? There’s nothing in these rulings that suggests that any private official must perform a ceremony for a gay couple if it conflicts with their beliefs, nor that any church must recognize the couple as married in their church. Hell, no religious person is forced to recognize my marriage and I’m not married according to most religions, since my wedding was conducted by a judge without asking God’s blessing.

    Government officials? Hospital staff? Yes, you’ll have to accept that joint tax return. You’ll have to perform a civil marriage for a gay couple. You’ll have to allow gay spouses to make medical decisions and visit each other as family. But that doesn’t mean you have to believe they’re married. It doesn’t mean you have to give a religious blessing to their marriage. If you work for the government you give up the right to express your religious beliefs to some extent while on the job. That’s been the case for decades, and this court decision doesn’t change that. I really wish they’d all just admit what Pat Robertson essentially admitted, that their arguments are really just cover for what they really think, namely this: http://www.theatheistpig.com/2012/05/16/05-16-2012/

  • Gus Snarp

    Also, we need a new internet law as a corollary to Godwin’s law: namely, that as a discussion with a conservative goes on, the probability of a reference to Stalin approaches 1.

    • Oranje

      We might need to add an addendum: it’s either Stalin or Hitler, since Hitler was actually left-wing because the word “socialist” is in national socialist. I’ve been seeing a disturbing amount of that lately.

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

        Oh my history, that’s just awful.

  • WoodwindsRock

    The legalization of same-sex marriage would never have any negative effect on anybody’s freedom of religion. I feel like what I’m stating should be so blatantly obvious that I shouldn’t even have to say it ever.

    People have to learn to see through this. Banning same-sex marriage is not about religious freedom, nor is it about morality.

    • DesertSun59

      The Christianists don’t want anyone to know that in EVERY state where same-sex marriage is legal, ALL of the legislators very carefully drafted language that exempt ALL religious institutions from being forced to do anything they don’t want regarding the issue.

      I laugh at Barber, NOM and Robertson. They all peddle total lies.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    I just the apple-pie loving, totally patriotic Americans threatening rebellion and treason if they don’t get what they want. Right-wingers live in a fantasy land. They think that if they overthrow the government then they will not have to kill anyone and everyone will just gladly accept the country being run by a bunch of nut jobs. They fail to realize that military coups rarely end well for people.

    • Spuddie

      Please by all means, I implore the religious nutballs, to please leave the forum of mainstream politics and embrace your their extremist. If anything it makes it easier to ignore and marginalize them. They go from being people with a gripe accepted by a main political party to terrorists.

      It would be ironic since most of these Bible Thumpers were some of the biggest supporters of the Patriot Act and its various abuses.

  • sam

    Bill Marr is too snarky to suit my comedic tastes, but he had one good point in that “New Rules” montage. If allowing gay people to marry somehow diminishes or invalidates hetero marriage licenses, then surely a diploma from Liberty University soils, stains and diminishes all diplomas from legitimate institutions of higher education. Everyone who has worked hard for a real education can just throw their diplomas in the trash until Liberty University goes bankrupt.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      More specifically, the dozens of Liberty University grads diminish the justice department. The Bush administration hired lots of Liberty Law School trained lawyers and mos of them are still there.

  • CultOfReason

    Here’s how Liberty Council members see the ruling:

    http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/84d3

  • Machintelligence

    “The fundamentalists are revolting!”
    You can say that again.

    • http://benny-cemoli.myopenid.com/ Benny Cemoli

      Of course they’re revolting, their fundamentalists!

      :-P

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        *snerk*

  • DesertSun59

    Christianists love to make claims and assertions that are plucked out of that dark place where they sit.

    They’re far too cowardly to revolt.

    • Artor

      Oh, they’re revolting allright. Just not in the sense that Staver means.

      • The Other Weirdo

        “Your Majesty, the peasants are revolting!”

        “You can say that again.”

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          What is that from?

          I feel like I should know this….

          • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

            duck soup?

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              Haven’t seen it. But I know I’ve heard the line before in something…

          • The Other Weirdo

            “Why are they revolting?”

            “They say you don’t love them, Your Majesty.”

            I don’t love them? I love the peasants. Pull!” (A peasant goes flying from a catapult and is shot like a clay pigeon.)

            —————————————-

            “Your Majesty, you look like the piss boy.”

            “And you look like a bucket of shit!”

            —————————————-

            “We’re Jews out in space, zooming along, protecting the Hebrew Race. When Goyem attack…” Massive space battle ensues.

            ———

            Mel Brooks’ History of the World Part I.

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              Thank you! I knew it was familiar!

              • Machintelligence

                It is also the title of a Wizard of Id comic paperback, (#3 published in 1966).

  • ggsillars

    One word: desperate.

  • Mads

    Same-sex Equality is a Basic Human Right. Let your voice be heard at Xpleo: http://xpleo.dk/humanrights

  • more compost

    OK, once again we see that age-old conundrum:

    Do they know that the things they are saying are ridiculous and untrue, but are OK with lying? Or are they really that deluded and believe the nonsense that they spout?

    Neither possibility is very comforting.

    • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

      Religion makes people strap bombs to their asses, drop airplanes on dense population centers and shoot abortion doctors. If some of them are lying, most of their followers don’t know it. A lot of them are not consciously lying and are believers who swallowed those lies from their predecessor.

  • Sunny Day

    A Christian revolution sounds great! Do they mean one that purges its adherents of bigotry and intolerance, or one that rises up against its lawfully elected representative government? Either way its a win for me.

  • DougI

    If Christians are willing to die because a couple people might get married then they deserve to get shot.

    • randomfactor

      Jefferson said the tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of clueless idiots.

    • Spuddie

      Maybe with any luck they will just commit suicide in protest.

      But hopefully not in one of those obnoxious ways like strapping a bomb on their backs or throwing themselves into traffic.

      • DougI

        When they protested Dr. Tiller they lined up in front of cars and tossed children in front of them as well. Sadly nobody was permitted to run them over. Given the girth and lack of intelligence of the fundy crowd I suspect more of them will end up killing themselves than anyone else.

        • Spuddie

          I was thinking of that guy Venner in France who killed himself on the steps of Notre Dame Cathedral once France permitted gay marriage. Maybe these whiners should just follow in his footsteps.

          • DougI

            We could drape their coffin with a rainbow flag to honor their sacrifice for the betterment of the gene pool.

  • newavocation

    Can he get a little more specific on the revolution details? Are we talking about a catholic, baptist or mormon revolution? Who will be in charge? Will this be more like Inquistion 2? Throw them in the water if they don`t drown they must be gay so burn them at the stake.

    • busterggi

      Wait a second – witches, ducks & wood also float!

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        So do empty heads…

  • Me

    It’s
    always troubling when thousands of people actually give deference to
    untreated sufferers of delusional disorders– which is clearly what this
    man has. I feel sorry for people like him but also angry– he needs to
    get out of the public sphere and get help for his obviously insane
    delusions…

  • Matt D

    Well, I know who my first target will be, should there be a “revolution”.

  • Spuddie

    I don’t think there is enough cheese in Wisconsin to handle this much whine.

    Of course maybe if Liberty Counsel ever made a good faith, legally valid argument, they would not look like such fools when the courts hand them their collective asses.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Judgement Gay – Daily Show 6/26/13

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWOBM-oE0aI

  • Brian

    Day 74 of the Revolution. We lost two more soldiers of Christ today, they have succumbed to homosexual marriage, fleeing to Seattle to get married with the blessing of Satan. Now i have to tell their families that they are gone, living a life of boutique shopping and vinyl collecting. Perhaps someday the children will live in a world without these horrors. God save us all.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      I shit you not. As I read your comment this song popped into my head. Damn you religious brainwashing as a child.

      Onward Christian Soldiers

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbAba0qLHI

    • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

      Will this revolution be televised? If so, will it be on LogoTV? If it’s on Lifetime, I ain’t watching.

      • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com/ Ubi Dubium

        I’d watch if it was “Project Revolution” and Heidi Klum got to “auf” one of these idiots each week.

  • phantomreader42

    No, no, he’s saying the “christian revolution” he’s fantasizing about will be akin to Stalin’s Russia. Because brutally slaughtering people for disagreeing with you is EXACTLY the kind of thing these christianists dream about.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      And if it wasn’t for the grace of their god they would go on a killing spree, or some kind of bullshit like that.

      • phantomreader42

        I see christians say that all the time! Though they usually don’t like it when I throw it back in their faces.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

          I’ve heard pastors say it during sermons and if I dare mention that to a Christian they will say either of the 3 things below.

          A. It didn’t happen.
          B. I’m taking it out of context
          C. He is not a real Christian.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    Funny how you never see Joe Klein rescuing people from being forced to marry someone they don’t want to marry, or forced to abandon their religious beliefs.

  • Ryan Hite

    I still don’t think that Christians understand. We are not trying to take rights away from you, we are just changing the state definition of marriage. Marriage to the state provides all sorts of special privileges that unmarried people don’t get. Churches do not perform marriages, they perform weddings. Even religious couples have to go to the state to be recognized as marriage. I think that this will result in a revolution in Christianity, but I think it will be an inevitable split. The liberals will move on to a post-Christianity Christianity type religion and the fundies will die out.

    • allein

      I wouldn’t even call it “changing the definition”; it’s just expanding the criteria for who can enter into that particular contract. The basic definition of two people in a relationship with specific legal rights and responsibilities attached is the same.

  • Cheryl Hanna

    How treasonous… maybe these churchies should read up on the Founders and on what principles this nation was established.

    http://zenhell.com/GetEnlightened/FoundingFathers/

  • JA

    “”(Last time I checked, DOMA’s downfall doesn’t require you to marry
    someone of the same sex or give up your religion — and you can’t exactly
    be “fined or jailed” for disapproving of marriage equality. Do I hear
    someone crying anti-Christian-persecution again?)””

    Took the words right out of my mouth.

  • Jordan Sugarman

    Just playing devil’s advocate (heh) for a moment here. Perhaps what Mr. Staver is referring to is cases where businesses are being sued for refusing to serve same-sex couples. Flower shops and bakeries that refuse to do work for gay weddings have been all over the news lately. His mistake is in characterizing this as a criminal act. It isn’t. Nobody is arresting them or fining them or taking away their business license. It’s a civil rights issue. Some states list sexuality as a protected class, so that businesses cannot simply refuse to serve them for that reason alone. If they do, they risk a civil case where they may have to pay damages. Of course, none of this has anything to do with DOMA or Prop 8.

  • Tainda

    Maybe they will revolt and all move to Texas to start a new country!

    Sorry Texans :(

  • ShoeUnited

    I wish Xian revolutions merely involved praying extra hard instead of coming on and spewing hate.

    But guess what?

    Freedom of speech and separation of church and state. SURE FEELS NICE TO HAVE SECULAR FREEDOMS DON’T IT?

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    “But there was a YouTubeing army of gay-bashing talking heads, led by local first
    responder pastors, exhausted but still protesting at their parishioners’ expense from posh hotel rooms a week after the SCOTUS decision,
    church groups from all over the country — funny how you don’t see organized groups of secular humanists threatening treason — and there in the middle of it all, with a purposeful wide stance, were the butthurt peckermooches from Liberty Counsel.”

    Someone should have written this article for Time Magazine. Fuck you and your vacation, Joe Klein.

  • Jonas Green

    Ironically the DOMA decision didn’t in a sense legalize same-sex marriage. — More like re-wrote the American Civil War, in that they left the decision to the States.

    Rather than saying the Constitution’s equal protection clauses must grant rights to same-sex couples, as they do to different-sex couples – Thus same-sex marriage must be legal in every state, they said The Federal Government can’t contradict the State governments when it comes to defining marriage relationships in the civil arena.

    In theory, even the liberal Massachusetts could one day turn sharply to the right, and outlaw same-sex marriage. Right wing states which currently outlaw same-sex marriage are under no obligation to rewrite those laws.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Whine-one-one, please wait while we find someone who cares…

  • NewDawn2006

    Christian revolution has started! They are starting with the youth, obviously. And, obviously, the biggest problem is the gays, so we need an alternative to the Boy Scouts! Here is their obviously scientifically based assessment of the effect of homosexuals… http://www.onmyhonor.net/impact-of-open-homosexuality-in-scouting/

    • NewDawn2006

      I used obviously a lot… :)

  • SeekerLancer

    Alright then. Have your “revolution.”

    No? Just going to whine about persecution that isn’t even happening instead? That’s what I thought.

  • mirele

    Maybe Mat Staver is projecting. After all, he and Liberty “law school” are being sued civilly for interfering in an “ex-gay” custody case. And, for all we know, he may have known that his client, Lisa Ann Miller, planned to spirit herself and her daughter (the subject of a legal custody order) out of the country. But who knows what’s going through this guy’s head?

  • Rain

    I’m surprised to not see Matt Barber in his suspenders today. Every time I see his suspenders I want to hand him a flugelhorn for some reason. Yeah I can just feel the love from that guy.

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

      I sincerely hope you mean “suspenders” in the American sense, as the other possibility, um, can’t be unseen.

      • Rain

        I don’t think I want to know! :D

  • Robster

    This is great all this stuff. Watching the religious right and religious “leaders” of all stripes self dizzolving in indignation and fury is great fun. Every time one of these self appointed moral guardians opens their mouth they do themselves and their belief systems even more damage. If they want positive headlines and some good press for a change, why not roll out a religious “leader” and have him (they’re mostly hims or is that hymns?) repent on behalf of the flock and the corporation? It would be easy to say “Jees, sorry, we were wrong” while acknowleging that the baby jesus said zip about gay sex and almost as little about marriage in any form. This would have jaws hitting the carpet and just maybe drag the public reputation of the churches and their “leaders” off the floor for a brief period.

  • LizBert

    This is so upsetting. I didn’t realize that I would have to divorce my husband and marry a lady now that DOMA isn’t protecting us.

    • allein

      But they don’t like divorce either! You might have to get a sister-wife…

  • Burpy

    I am open to the possibility that somebody, somehow has managed to sneak in a law that forces Christians to do something that violates their consciences. But why to they have to be so cryptic about what that might be? For example, he says that people might be prosecuted and lose their licenses. Who are these people? Licenses to do what? If they would just be a little clearer about what they are insinuating, reasonable people might be able to meet them half way.

  • wayne

    Already, I find most Christians revolting!


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