These Islamists Believe Education is Sinful, but Burning Kids to Death Honors Allah

When it comes to the pernicious influence of religion, I consider myself fortunate to live in the western world.

I get to write about the Evansville crosses without any fear of Christian mobs administering a beating.

I can say what I want about the disgusting and disgraceful practice of ritual baby-penis-sucking among Hasidic Brooklyn Jews, and no armed posse of YHWH fans is going to come to my home to teach me a lesson.

I may publish whatever strikes me as truthful about the so-called prophet Muhammad without incensed Islamists threatening to butcher m—  oh, wait, not that one. I forgot: Islam is special.

Whenever anybody raises the argument that Islam, at its current stage of historic development, spawns more violence than other faiths, the criticism is usually that terrorism is deplorable but understandable payback for Western aggression. We hear that the U.S., in particular, has invited the bloodshed upon itself through foreign interventionism and wars. There’s some truth to that (certainly, I’m a longstanding foe of the arrogant U.S. foreign policy that holds that we should be able to barge into any sovereign nation if it serves the so-called national interest).

But it’s easy to short-circuit that kneejerk response by pointing out that rather a lot of the terrorist bloodshed has little or nothing to do with U.S.-led military aggression. What I’m talking about are acts perpetrated by radical Muslims against people (including other Muslims) who dress “immodestly,” or who joke about Muhammad, or who make a movie that’s insufficiently deferential to Islam, or who believe in equal rights for gays and women — and in education for all.

There is no current equivalence for these attacks in Christianity; Islam is demonstrably more of a threat to classical-liberal ideals, and to the Enlightenment, than any other religious belief system (one problem is that Islam has morphed into a political movement in addition to being a popular faith).

No organization drives home the point quite as well as the degenerate Nigerian group Boko Haram, whose name means “Western education is sinful.” So Boko Haram’s fighters love targeting schools and students, in a series of loathsome acts not seen since Muslim terrorists killed almost 400 pupils and teachers in Beslan.

Accountable to no one but Allah, Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau nonetheless felt compelled to explain himself the other day. In a 15-minute video, he had this to say:

Teachers who teach western education? We will kill them! We will kill them in front of their students, and tell the students to henceforth study the Qur’an.”

And that’s no bluster. The video was released some days after Boko Haram’s horrendous nighttime attack on a Nigerian boarding school that left 46 dead. Most victims were students.

Survivors being treated for burn and gunshots wounds say some students were burned alive in the pre-dawn attack on Government secondary school in Mamudo town, Yobe state, on Saturday.

To Boko Haram, that’s success:

Crying over the bodies of his two boys, farmer Malam Abdullahi swore he would withdraw his three remaining sons from a nearby school.

They may well join the killers, whether they want to or not.

Boko Haram’s… recent spate of attacks on schools is part of a two-pronged strategy that plays up the extremists’ ideology against western institutions while also providing a stream of potential new recruits as frightened parents pull their children out of education.

Unschooled and unemployed children are increasingly being recruited — sometimes forcibly — to fill the ranks of Boko Haram and unleash violence against their peers… Witnesses say many are plied with dates stuffed with tramadol — a narcotic used to tranquilize horses — before being sent on missions… More than 300 classrooms have been torched in the remote, arid state since 2009, according to official counts.

There’s probably nothing that religious fundamentalists fear quite as much as young people learning (see also Malala Yousafzai). One day, education will be more than a speed bump for ruthless theocrats — it will be their death knell. That day can’t come soon enough.

(image via the Guardian)

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder of Moral Compass, a now dormant site that poked fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards. He joined Friendly Atheist in 2013.

  • The Other Weirdo

    They must think they’re the Founders, creating an army with a combination of false god worship and drugs. Sick bastard.

  • Tainda

    THIS is the sort of fanaticism that needs to be eradicated from our planet! They make me sick. It’s all about the power.

  • Tainda

    Too bad we can’t cut off their supply of Ketracel

  • Gus Snarp

    Whenever anybody raises the argument that Islam, at its current stage of historic development, spawns more violence than other faiths, the criticism is usually that terrorism is deplorable but understandable payback for Western aggression.

    Who’s criticism is that, exactly? You’ve got a story here pointing out some of the horrors of Islamic fundamentalism, and it’s clear enough on its own without the need to take pot shots at straw men.

    Now, let’s get down to brass tacks. People in Nigeria are in desperate straights. They don’t get enough support from a decent civil society and government. There’s no infrastructure to insure adequate food supplies and medical care, let alone education. The same can be said for most of the places where radical Islam operates at its most violent extreme. The desperate need of people in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Somalia, and Yemen, to name a few such places, gives these radical fundamentalists a foothold that enables them to reach greater levels of power, violence, and corruption. They blame the West for the people’s problems, a powerful tool to a group trying to seize power. They sometimes offer needed food and other supplies. And the government is too weak to stop them in the places where the populace does want them stopped, so they use violence and intimidation when bribery and scapegoating don’t work. These are not excuses, they are the facts on the ground. They don’t excuse the extremists, they make them all the more terrible for taking advantage of people in the greatest need. But they raise the question of what we can do about it.

    Education is crucial, and Malala is a fantastic role model, but it’s hard to educate kids who are hungry. Even harder when you’re perceived as an outsider and blamed for every problem the people face. So what’s the real solution? How do we deal with the fact that not only are horrible offenses being perpetrated in poor, benighted places across the ocean, but that the offenders often have access to the entire world to spread their violence. Do we invade all these countries and forcibly institute a Western style democracy? We’ve seen how well that works out. Even if we did it, do we manipulate the democracy, or allow the people to vote in the Muslim Brotherhood or the Taliban? How do we insure secular constitutions and civil institutions that protect the people from their own worst impulses and those who would profit from them? Can we do it with aid? By building schools? None of this seems effective. I’m tired of bitching about it, I want to see some solutions. Unfortunately, I’ve got nothing. Anybody else got any ideas?

  • Holytape

    If education is so bad, why isn’t he wearing animal skins and armed is a pointy stick?

    Instead he is carrying an AK-47 and speaking to a video camera. How the hell does he think those things came about?

  • Tainda

    I wish I had ideas and more power to do it. It’s the old saying “Damned if you do and damned if you don’t”

  • Gus Snarp

    And for the record, I don’t mean anything in there to say we should stop talking about it. It’s just so damned frustrating.

  • Tainda

    I agree with you

  • TheG

    Tramadol? Really? And it is used on horses? That’s some in-depth writing there, Guardian.

    You know what it is also used on? Humans. Lots of humans. It is one of the weaker opioids out there and I’ve given it to little old ladies that FDGB. I give it to humans multiple times every day.

    Never mind that it shouldn’t be used on children, this is just horrible writing. You might as well have a story on Lindsay Lohan saying, “She was caught in a club with cocaine, something used as an anesthetic on German shepards undergoing sinus surgery.”

    Look, if you don’t know what something is when brought up in a story, look it up. Or ask someone. But don’t devalue the horror of a story with such pedantic statements.

  • John Aguirre

    This was exactly my thought when reading that. It’s pure sensationalism that is deviating attention away from the real horror of this story.

  • Christopher Borum

    I had the same reaction. I take tramadol several times a week for painful neuropathy* in my feet. I’ve never felt the urge to burn down a school. Maybe it has to be stuffed in a date in order to work that way.

    *This came up as a misspelled word in Chrome but when I right-clicked it suggested “homeopathy.” Weird.

  • Itsrealfunnythat

    He’s a man, its okay for him to be slightly educated about certain things.

  • gimpi1

    There are no words for how vile this is. No words at all. I agree with Gus Sharp. I have no idea how to address this abomination. Without education – and education is what is being savaged – there is no hope for Nigeria. I have nothing, either, Gus. Nothing but despair.

    You are right, Mr. Firma. We in the west are fortunate indeed to have laws, police forces, government and social norms to keep this kind of horror at bay. We need to work all the harder to keep our safeguards in place.

  • Michael J. Short

    Apparently an American politician agrees with the idea that education is bad. Utah state senator Aaron Osmond has called for an end to mandatory education.

  • C Peterson

    It may be bad reporting. But my reading was that the local usage of Tramadol is veterinary. That is, these people are using what is locally considered a horse tranquilizer to drug kids. There are, of course, many regional differences in how drugs are used (consider Ketamine, for instance, which is largely a veterinary drug in much of the developed world but remains a common human tranquilizer and anesthetic elsewhere).

  • Michael W Busch

    There is no current equivalence for these attacks in Christianity;

    That is unfortunately not true – we still see far too many Christians committing violent acts opposing women’s rights or gay rights. Say rather that the rate of such attacks is higher in many largely-Muslim populations (for many different reasons).

  • Matt D

    Something tells me a drone assassination wouldn’t solve the problem they have down there. I have zero tolerance for those that prey on children, and while I despise considering murder to prevent atrocities, I’m at a loss as to how to resolve this without stooping to their level.

  • Michael W Busch

    Good point – dosing people with unnecessary opioids is bad enough.

    But does it matter that it was the veterinary-grade drug rather than the version made for human consumption? (Poorer quality control leading to higher chance of contaminants).

  • Glasofruix

    That would require a cloaked self replicating minefileld, and i’m not sure we can build that :p

  • jeffj900

    So what can be done about this? We can’t just wring our hands in despair and allow primitive tyrants to dominate large parts of the world with this kind of ideology, backed by the terror of murder.

    Is killing Boko Haram the only solution? Sometimes it seems like it is either that or allow such violent fundamentalists to murder and corrupt entire countries, as the Taliban did in Afghanistan. Is there a way to reason with such people?

    The way that enlightenment values can peacefully compete with fundamentalist ideals is via education. This enables a free competition of ideas, and may the best ideas win. Boko Haram has correctly understood this, and is taking direct and possibly effective action to crush the flourishing of modern values. In their view, the best ideas are losing because people are weak and tempted by western materialism and other evils of the freedom to engage in licentiousness. If they can dominate the education of children, they win.

    Do we care enough about enlightenment values, about critical thinking, science and math, and communication skills, the core of competency in the modern world, to kill for it, as they are willing to kill for Islam? That seems antithetical to such values, and if we do care this much, why are we any better or different than Boko Haram? Doesn’t it just make us enlightenment fundamentalists?

    Perhaps we can justify it because our ideas are right? Or perhaps because they are the initial aggressor, the one first to threaten murder and mayhem for allowing parents to simply choose how they want to educate their children, and have acted on these threats?

    But Glenn Greenwald and many liberals might call this Islamophobia, to want to kill the Boko Haram or Taliban, to deny legitimacy to the bearded parties of God. They evidently, according to the most tolerant and enlightened liberals, have legitimate grievances against the West, and a right to carry out their programs unhindered.

    I’m a liberal too, but moderately so. Sometimes compassion and understanding has limits, and when it comes to murdering teachers and children simply for learning, that is one of those limits. I certainly have a very real phobia of being burned to death for teaching modern values and advocating education in the best of 21st century knowledge. But I don’t have a phobia of Islam in general. Still it seems the most liberal advocates of tolerance toward Islam would argue that we can’t try to wipe out Boko Haram with drones, nor should we start or aid a ground war. For discussing such things, for probing the limits where tolerance should end and unyielding force should begin, Sam Harris was smeared as an Islamophobic Fascist by “liberals”.

    What then is the solution? To patiently try to reason with them? To simply allow it to be a Nigerian only problem? What if Boko Haram were to take over the country the way the Taliban took over Afghanistan. Would we then have done the right thing to sit and watch? Of course any pro-active military action in Nigeria would lead to the inevitable accusations that protecting the investments of shell oil are the only motive, or that it is only about stealing Nigerian oil. With the most extreme forms of liberalism, you simply can’t win, any more than you can with the most extreme forms of conservatism.

    There are lots of very hard questions here, and some very deep ironies, and certainly there are no easy answers. Certainly we can’t reason with Boko Haram, any more than they can reason with us. This is one of the ironies: they are driven to desperation because they have an unshakeable and non-negotiable belief in something that is irreconcilable with the things “western values” has unshakeable and non-negotiable belief in, and their side appears to be losing overall. At some point you just have to assert that one point of vioew is correct and the other is not. Let’s just hope Nigerian local forces are able to control this awful terror aimed at schools, teachers, children, and parents.

  • Tainda

    Too bad we don’t have a Rom around.

    I wish the real world was as easy to solve as Star Trek

  • jeffj900

    And Rick Santorum accused President Obama of being a snob for wanting every American to get an education. Indoctrination into liberal values he called it. We can just be thankful he’s not willing to go so far as to kill for his fundamentalist values. The American Christian translation of ‘Boko Haram’ would be “Liberal Education is Sin”, a statement Santorum seems to agree with. Some proponents of the home school movement resemble Boko Haram in their thinking. But they aren’t yet willing to kill to stop other parents from educating their children.

  • blasphemous_kansan

    A good point to make. Dr. Tiller was murdered less than an hour away from where I sleep every night.

    I didn’t feel quite as safe falling asleep among my christian neighbors that night as I had previously. It was a strange time around here with phrases like ‘he had it coming’ being grumbled under the breath of my alleged compatriots.
    The rates are less, but even isolated acts of terrorism can succeed in making people terrified.

  • Terry Firma

    I was talking about equivalence, and you say “not true” and apparently insist that there is equivalence. Then please name me a school that was burned down, and the fleeing students shot like rabid dogs, by Christian fundamentalists. Anytime in the last 25 years will do. I’ll even settle for a lower death count than the Islamist atrocity in Beslan in 2004.

  • Terry Firma

    Yes, that’s how I read it too.

  • jeffj900

    I think the dilemma as you described it is responsible for the frustration that has led to the attempt to use drone attacks to eradicate the problem of violent fundamentalism. It is easy to argue that drone attacks simply create more enemies. Such easy arguments help people to feel morally superior to those trying to actively solve such problems. Even Mitt Romney managed to express the opinion during the election that “we can’t kill our way out of this”.

    It is much harder to come up with an effective alternative, because we can’t love and peace our way out of it either, evidently.

    Doing nothing seems unsuitable for many reasons. We could give assistence in the form of material support and food aid, training and education, and military support if the local country has reliable partners to oppose such fundamentalist violence. Such actions can be more or less effective depending on the country where they are applied.

    Ultimately doing nothing when not asked to help, and helping when asked to help, coupled with patience and the confidence that the best ideas win in the long run, may be the only approach. So far we’ve tried some impatient approaches, and some slightly more patient approaches.

    Perhaps more patience is the only solution, while muddling through trying to contain as best as possible the horrors such as Boko Haram, the Taliban, and Al Qaeda. The harder we fight, perhaps the more we legitimize them. Clearly their tactics have local short term efficacy, but they certainly win few long term friends with them. On the other hand, to close our eyes to horror, terror, and misery is also not consistent with our values.

    Communism eventually collapsed under its own weight, and perhaps the Arab Spring suggests that eventually the same will happen with radical Islam, with Takfiri Salafists and Wahhabis, and the theocratic fundamentalists. Maybe we shouldn’t take “stick to our guns” too literally, but rather take it to mean a patient persistent support and assertion of western values, while we are very carefully selective in the instances where firm resistance to violence are employed. We will sometimes fail and sometimes succeed in the battles, but long term I can’t see the world returning to segregation of sexes, oppression of women, and rejection of science and technology.

  • Zugswang

    Yes, I face-palmed pretty hard when I read that.

  • Zexks

  • Michael W Busch

    There are equivalent actions. As I said, they are fortunately rarer.

    Most of the violence I was thinking of has been from people opposed to women’s rights or gay rights – anti-abortion violence in many places, anti-gay violence in Russia and elsewhere.

    But there has been recent religiously-motivated violence directed against schools perpetrated by Christian fundamentalists. The first such case I thought of was the incidents at Holy Cross Primary School in north Belfast in ’01-’02, but there no one died – because the pipe bomb somebody planted at the entrance was identified and defused before it went off. But Wikipedia indexes several more cases with higher body counts. Three selections:

    *The National Liberation Front of Tripura is responsible for several hundred separate terrorist attacks, causing a few hundred deaths (in Tripura State, north-east India). A number of those attacks have targeted Hindu and Buddhist schools.

    *The Lord’s Resistance Army has targeted several schools, among its many other atrocities. That includes the kidnapping of 139 secondary school students at Aboke, of whom 5 died, a larger number were raped, and still more were beaten. And the LRA attempted to burn a number of the school buildings in the process (as well as torching the school’s vehicles and raiding its clinic). Ref. and Zexks’ sources.

    *Andres Breivik described himself as a Christian crusader. It is ambiguous if massacring children at a summer camp counts as a school massacre.

    There is one apparent and fortunate difference about these attacks: they have been committed by individuals or relatively small groups, with less community support, as compared to the thousands of members of Boko Haram (although the LRA has had up to ~3000 members at some points in time).

    Edit: And, while the rate may be currently be higher for violence motivated by Islam, Muslim and Christian extremists are far from unique in targeting schools. Buddhist extremists killed 36 students and teachers at a Muslim school in Meikhtila earlier this year. Hindu extremists have attacked a number of schools in India, although there have been few deaths. And in ’02, Jewish extremists attempted to blow up a car bomb outside a Palestinian school in East Jerusalem – they were stopped before the bomb went off.

  • jeffj900

    I just read this op-ed from the father of Anwar Al Awlaki. This is a bit off topic, but related to the conflict between fundamentalist Islam, western values and modernity.

    Whether or not you agree with the drone attack on his son, who certainly made himself an enemy of the US, the one thing we must not tolerate is the government using secrecy as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for its actions, and to place government beyond the reach of citizen recourse to the court system.

    If the first amendment is a fundamental aspect of Western Values, then government secrecy is a direct assault on Western Values. The intent of the First Amendment is to enable government of the people, for the people, and by the people. Without access to information, the ability to freely disseminate it, and the right to challenge government abuse of power, the First Amendment is effectively nuetered. We shouldn’t allow it to be diminished as merely a right to personal free expression. It also has a larger purpose in guaranteeing effective civil society to counter government abuse of power, and the abuse of government secrecy is the biggest battle in support of Western Values we have to fight here at home.

  • GloomCookie613

    Yes, because the dosage suggested by your doctor is TOTALLY the same as some uneducated moron just doling it out, right? And your adult body and body weight are TOTALLY the same as a child’s, too?

  • Christopher Borum

    Obviously. Not.

  • anon 101

    People like you are deeply afraid of criticizing Islam because you now full well that that has dangerous consequences. So you try to rationalize your double standard. And the easiest way to do this is to pretend that Christianity is equally bad or even worse than Islam.

  • Michael W Busch

    Where did I say that “Christianity was equally bad or even worse than Islam” ? And why do you say that I’m “deeply afraid of criticizing Islam” ?

    I thought I had made the opposite clear: the rate of religiously-motivated violence in many largely-Muslim countries is very high, and unacceptable.

    But it is a mistake to imply that there is “no current equivalence” (emphasis added) to Islam-motivated violence in other religions. Such violence does happen and is also unacceptable, even if the rates are fortunately lower.

  • John (not McCain)

    When you speak of how much better Christians are, are you including Christians like the violent goons who tortured and murdered a gay man in Cameroon recently for having the temerity to be gay and alive?

  • A3Kr0n

    And what about missed opportunities? Should John join the economic advisory committee? No, he’s that atheist who stirred up trouble last Christmas in the court house and got the Christmas tree renamed to “holiday tree”.

  • Michael W Busch

    ?? Did you post that to the wrong comment thread?

  • Blacksheep

    I would advocate a secret – or not secret, wither way – drone attack on the Boko haram leader, or whomever is responsible for burning down a school full of children. (300 classrooms, according to this article). That would be a better use of our military than fighting for oil.

  • Blacksheep

    Why is using force to stop evil “stooping to their level”?

    If you tackled an aggressor who was about to kidnap a child, that would not be stooping to his level, it would be heroic.

  • Blacksheep

    Maybe we need to be radically vocal and clear about our intent to solve the problem – a new version of “tear down this wall…” In other words, literally have our leader or a group of leaders get in front of them and clearly state that their country and the world is watching, we will not abide it, they are free to believe whatever they want but not at the expense of bloodshed, and they have 30 days to comply or armies from 12 different nations will band together to stop it by sheer force.

  • Michael W Busch

    The publicly-available information is that there is no clear structure or chain of command to Boko Haram, although there are a few leaders such as Abubakar Shekau and also Boko Haram’s founder, Mohammed Yusuf, who apparently had a secular graduate education, was fluent in English, and lived a lavish lifestyle. Yusuf was killed by Nigerian security forces in 2009 (official statement was that he was killed while trying to escape police custody).

    It is far from obvious which individuals among the current membership are responsible from each act of terrorism, and drone attacks do not discriminate between the presumed target and anyone standing near them.

    Fighting groups like Boko Haram cannot be done by only lobbing around missiles.

  • Mario Strada

    Frankly, if I could I would love to take a tour of the region with a Minigun and pulverize every single one of those guys myself. I am not big on nonviolence when kids are murdered.

    However, neither the drone attacks nor my minigun fantasy is a real way to approach the issue because the odds that these monsters will use human shields (some of them kids as well or forced soldiers) and will seek the protection of civilian encampment is too high.

    The last thing we need is to water down the outrage that their actions have surely created among regular muslims with our own impersonal bombing of other muslims, knowing that in that part of the work;d even if our drone pick only the perpetrators, many will claim the bombs killed innocents anyway.

    It is really not a good situation no matter how you look at it, but a larger show of force by the regular troops and individual protection by same of the schools would be a good place to start. It sounds to me that there was protection but it was insufficient. Well, they need to have more protection and of a better quality.

  • the moother

    My man-fat wobbled as I laughed at that…

  • the moother

    Always, every single time that I read story like this, one saying echoes through my head: The internet, where religions come to die.

  • Plantsmantx

    Well, I certainly won’t defend the practices and actions outlined in that article. I’m neither Muslim nor Christian, but as a black man, I can’t help noting the growth of “Western Civilization” white supremacist sentiment among some white atheists.

  • Bdole

    Man, I thought I missed some really deep subtext!

  • Scottie Starlitsky

    I am absolutely repulsed at the fact that anyone who could stoop to this level of evil fanaticism. Cultures are not equal people-human rights, equality and the fundamental premise of democracy, education and medicine are universal and should not in anyway be contested or compromised. So many apologists for Islam forget that this behaviour is integral to the politicized Islamic ideology and that Islam cannot be in anyway compatible with Western Democratic values. If it does not offer the respect and safety that is essential to the formation of a proper society, then it should be eliminated. No pandering, no badgering, no apologising. You don’t murder innocent children for wanting education. You don’t brutalize women for wanting to be independent. If these actions are deemed appropriate in your belief system, then you should die because no one deserves agony more than you.

  • Terry Firma
  • SeekerLancer

    I agree with you but I think the real reasoning here is that we live in a developed country not that Christians don’t have the potential to be as violent. I think the witch hunts in Africa are an example of what can happen outside of the world.

    I’m not sure if it’s true that Islam is intrinsically worse, or if it’s that Islam is popular in places where it has the potential to be the worst.

    All of this conjecture is kind of useless though. Atrocities are atrocities and Islam seems hell bent on having the majority of them.

  • UWIR

    How can you compare not wanting kids to be forced to go to school to students being forced to not go to school?

  • UWIR

    No, he called Obama a snob for implying that everyone needs a college education.

  • UWIR

    Surely, at this point, there are not people who have not heard of Kony?

  • wombat

    Many of the perpetrators of these atrocities are children who have been kidnapped from their homes and forced into a life of extreme violence. So we would have to be *very* careful who we were ‘tackling’.

  • jeffj900

    Except that Obama never said that. He said he wants everyone to have the opportunity. He has called for the goal of everyone graduating high school, and even of everyone having at least one year if post secondary education. There is nothing snobbish about it. He never demanded everyone have it, and never said everyone needs it or must have it. He never said a person without college is worthless. Why should it be a bad thing for a President to make an effort to inspire lofty goals in the public? There is a sickness in Santorum that he took something wholesome and positive and reacted to it with snarling disgust.

    Not only did Santorum intentionally twist Obama’s plain meaning and intent, but he went further on his own to imply that college was corrupting Americans with liberal values.

    I don’t think it should be controversial to think that the more education people have, the better off they and society will be. Only a perverted mind like Santorum’s could find something nasty and negative in such an idea. You have to work hard to find something sinister in it.

  • Michael W Busch

    “There is a sickness in Santorum”

    No, not “a sickness”.

    Hypocrisy, opportunism, and a willingness to say outrageous and false things for attention, power, and money.

    You may call Santorum an authoritarian social dominator. But that is not a sickness.

  • Joe

    So go down there and do something about it…