With a Pink Mass Involving Gay Kissing, Satanists Turn Fred Phelps’ Dead Mother Into a Lesbian

Fred Phelps‘ mother is having a grand old time in Heaven. How do we know this? Because gay people have been kissing over her gravesite. Every time that happens, the deceased receives an orgasm in the afterlife, provided that the grave has been been the subject of a Pink Mass. A Pink Mass turns the dead person gay, very much like the Mormon practice of baptizing the dead. Only much gayer.

The idea and phraseology come from the Satanic Temple of New York, whose leaders located the grave of the Westboro Baptist Church‘s head bigot, made a pilgrimage to that Mississippi location, and turned Phelps’ mother into a lesbian (posthumously) by performing the Pink Mass.

The ritual involved lots of same-sex kissing by male/male and female/female couples (the Satanic Temple honchos performed the Mass twice, just to be sure). Temple spokesperson Lucien Greaves then rubbed his ball-sack on the headstone, in a special sacrament asking for Satan’s gay blessings. (This link is NSFW, to say the least.)

No word on whether Phelps will feel compelled to rain fire and brimstone on his now-gay mother’s grave. If he does, he might find other gay people making out, as the Satan’s Temple is encouraging same-sex couples to visit the site and pleasure Ma Phelps by “paying their respects.”

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  • opinionatedcatholic

    I am a conservative Christian and I dislike the Phelps and Westboro big time. But I find this whole thing horrible.

    The woman that is in a grave that is a part of this theater died sadly died way too young. A young woman at age 28 died way too young of cancer and her son ( Phelps ) was 5 years old. Who knows if she had lived how she could have her influenced her son.

    There is nothing funny in my view of using some person as a prop that had a life had an existence and mattered in some cause.

    I would be saying the same thing if people had done some ceremony which included putting on penis on the headstone of the mother of Oswald that murdered Kennedy

    I get non belivers don’t believe in the resurrection of the body as I do. But I suspect most Atheists don’t think that a human being that lived , loved, and had ambitions should be used as prop and double that when she died so young should be used this way.

    I think this is one area where both Christians and Atheists can come together and not go HA HA .

    In the end we believers or non beliverswe all make a contribution to this earth. This woman though not famous perhaps made her own contribution. She should not be used as a prop. Her life had perhaps more meaning than what her son became and thus become should not become mockery.

    Again in the end I think this the respect of the dead of their dignity when they were alive is something that we can all agree on

  • ThyGoddess

    That’s…dumb? I guess? I could add more adjectives but these guys don’t deserve the attention. Come on.

  • Compuholic

    I’m all for exposing the idiocy of believers but this is just really stupid. And it’s not even funny.

  • allein

    I’m a fairly liberal atheist and I agree with you. I have no sympathy for Phelps and his clan but I don’t think disrespecting anyone’s grave is the way to go about opposing them. I don’t know anything about his mother beyond what you’ve posted here, but if it’s true that she died when he was 5, then I can’t blame her for raising him to be what he is. (And even if I could blame her, I would still find this juvenile and pointless, and it doesn’t say anything good about the people doing it.)

  • axelbeingcivil

    These people are bringing down the level of the collective conversation. As funny as the headline might read, these people are not going to change any minds. They’ll get a chuckle, others will get a chuckle, but there’s going to be a lot of people who point to this and use it as an excuse to be discriminatory assholes and reinforce their worldview.

  • Daniel

    If they’re doing this as a stunt to point out and mock Mormonism’s posthumous baptism thing, I kind of get it, but it’s still not particularly funny. Would have been better done at Brigham Young’s grave, at least for making your point.

    As is, it’s using someone’s corpse and gravesite to draw in a bigger audience to make a point no one other than you really agrees with… so maybe it is appropriate to use a Phelps grave. Still not funny, but this group is doing nothing with her death that Westboro hasn’t done with dozens of other deaths.

  • allein

    but this group is doing nothing with her death that Westboro hasn’t done with dozens of other deaths.

    I’d rather not stoop to their level..

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    People, Satanism is actually a recognized religion. This sort of ritual is really rude, juvenile, disrespectful, etc, etc. But it is a recognized religious ritual that honestly is no sillier than a lot of other religious rituals and less offensive than most. I mean, seriously? They’re giving Fred Phelps’s mom orgasms in Heaven. They’re doing her a favor. The most offensive part is claiming to turn her gay- by doing that, they’re disrespecting her identity when she was alive and using her as a prop. It’s why the Mormon post-death baptisms are so offensive. If it was just getting gay people to go make out at her grave to give her soul orgasms, though, I wouldn’t see any problem at all.

  • Ewan

    “use it as an excuse to be discriminatory assholes”

    Did not having an excuse ever do much to stop them?

  • WallofSleep

    Hurting or helping?

  • randomfactor

    However, when Fred himself passes, I have NO problem with anyone doing this.

  • Lee Miller

    Am I really the only one who thinks this is hilarious, and entirely fitting for a group as abominable and hateful as Westboro BC?

  • Michael Barrows

    I am with you 100% Nothing to do with mormons. It’s all about Phelps’ desecration of other’s funerals to make HIS point.

  • Heathen Mike

    I appreciate and empathize with the Satanists’ desire to give a big “Fuck You!” to Fred Phelps, but I have to agree with other comments here that these methods are neither fair to Fred Phelps’ mother’s memory, nor ultimately effective. Phelps has a well-established track record of doing anything he can think of to grab attention and shock the public. He WANTS to be attacked. It fulfills his martyrdom fantasy and feeds his ego. There is really no need for this type of protest display.

    Phelps has unwittingly done a great deal to help the cause of acceptance of homosexuality by pissing off so many otherwise conservative people that they in response have become somewhat more sympathetic to people Phelps has targeted.

    This kind of display by these particular Satanists just draws attention away from that and refocuses it in a not-too-helpful way. I wonder how many “Joe Public” folks will hear of this display who don’t have a clue just how awful, insulting, disrespectful and nasty Fred Phelps has been over an over again to gay people–and others. Those mostly clueless people, I would think, might react by equating lgbt people with Satanists and both as “unfairly” disrespectful to traditional religion. This gravesite mockery looks too much like the insulting tactics Phelps himself has used on others. Of course Phelps richly deserves all the disdain that can be thrown at him. But in the bigger picture, how helpful is that? It seems there must be better ways to refute Phelps and not undermine the general public’s respect for lgbt concerns that has actually been growing surprisingly fast in recent years.

    I’ve always considered Satanism to be a wholly reactionary phenomenon. I have a hard time respecting it as a religion when it is so obviously purely a reaction to Christianity. But then, I guess I don’t have to utmost reverence for any religion, do I.

  • Rain

    It looks like he has a new place to picket. Or threaten to picket. He probably threatens to picket more than he actually pickets.

  • indorri

    Aside from all the other objections people have presented, I have another one: this is just too gauche. Ugh.

  • NateW

    … I hope so. But I doubt that you are. Just freaking imagine being a 5 year old, ANY five year old, and experiencing the death of your mother. Now imagine some people doing this to her grave. No matter how wretched a person you have been, is there anything here that would make you consider changing your ways? That would make you have second thoughts about your hate for people who are different than you?

    Is there any conceivable turn of events in which this makes the world a better place to live in? No. It’s like trying to make an aggressive dog less so by beating it with a stick and doing it again when he snarls louder.

    It’s just not how things work.

  • allein

    You know, if it was Fred himself, I probably wouldn’t either. I’d still find it juvenile and pointless, but…well.. it’s Fred. Like I said, I have no sympathy for him.

  • Robin

    I am an atheist and am appalled by the behavior of Westoboro Baptist Church members, but this just seems hateful. Why stoop to the level of Phelps and his followers?

  • JET

    Agreed. I find this just as distasteful as the Mormons posthumously baptizing the Jews. If you have a problem with the WBC, confront the WBC.

  • Amor DeCosmos

    I find this absolutely hilarious and think this kind of performance art is a satirical masterpiece. It’s a scathing, humorous attack on WBC, Mormonism, and religion in general.

    Why are so many atheists butthurt about disrespecting a dead person? Hello atheists – she’s fucking dead. It’s not like she’s in heaven and all offended by these merry pranksters.

  • Ogre Magi

    These devil-worshipers are better friends to the gay community than any christians ever have been!

  • Ogre Magi

    Given all the harm that christians (not just the Phelps clan) have done to gay people over the years, I would say turnabout is fair play!

  • Ogre Magi

    Given all the harm that christians have done to gay people , I have no sympathy for them what so ever!

  • Alice

    Yes, especially since most conservative Christians already see LGBT people as Satan-worshippers and every other negative stereotype out there.

  • scroogleu

    I’m really glad I’m not gay, because Satanism is a bad association which I doubt that most of them would want. Being gay happens naturally, whether or not others wish to understand how, and being atheist happens logically, whether or not others choose to follow the logic. It is most likely the dark recesses of the human mind that creates and controls gods and devils (not the other way around), but that notwithstanding the Satanists embrace arrogance violence, generally hateful behavior, and nothing that’s logical!

  • Kodie

    This isn’t any better than the Christians who left flyers on the designated drivers’ windshields. It seems kind of funny at first, and I am not reverent of dead bodies but dead people’s reputations should not be mocked. She can’t speak for herself. But it’s ugly behavior. It seems like something people thought up and everyone said “yeah cool!” At least we could add Satanism to the list of religions that act before they think. Intent is still not magic! This could have been cool but it misses. It’s tone-deaf.

  • 3lemenope

    I want

    Intent: Still Not Magic

    as a t-shirt. Or perhaps a bumper sticker.

  • MG

    If we continually use the rationalization that they deserve awful treatment because they dish out awful treatment, then nothing is ever going to get any better. If you want to improve the world, take the high road. I realize, hoever, that these are people who profess worship of the fictional evil counterpart of the fictional xtian god, so I’m not expecting that from this group.

  • 3lemenope

    Yeah, actually, (most varieties of) satanists don’t profess worship of Satan, despite the name.

  • 3lemenope

    It’s the difference between knowing something is wrong and being moved to stop it. It’s still wrong if they did it to old Fred, but I can’t see myself mustering the effort to care so much.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty


  • Kodie

    It’s not like she could die of embarrassment.

  • allein


  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    You don’t know much about Satanism, then.

  • Kodie

    Me either, and I’m all for making a point well or using mockery when it works, I just think this misses making that point and people won’t get it. I don’t understand people defending god against offensive things we might say about him, since god can ostensibly speak for himself. They are afraid of his wrath. I do understand people being offended when you speak ill of the dead. The internet doesn’t seem to care if a person’s reputation is spoiled, however, living or dead. If they are in a funny picture or video, it’s their fault it got around and people write rude memes on it.
    Nobody leaves anyone alone if they can get a cheap laugh.

    The Mormons are not really a factor here, and they’re wrong, and that site that makes dead Mormons gay is a great turnabout. This is more like a hammer and it has nothing to do with them (the WBC or anyone else) being offended and more to do with emulating the kinds of behaviors we complain about when they do it. It’s not selling the point, it’s just making a spectacle for ourselves and of ourselves for no gain whatsoever. It’s a failed stunt, as far as I’m concerned.

  • Kodie

    Iron-on printer.

  • scroogleu

    Well, I think the point may have been that Fred harassed the families of the deceased. Of course they are not justified in stooping to his level, and im afraid that in doing so they just provoked a war which most gays don’t want. There is a huge population segment which is just waiting for the excuse to start moving in the direction of Phelps! Leave it to those Satanist dumbasses to make a bad situation worse!

  • Kodie

    I’m not really mustering the efforts to halt this one. There are only so many things I can control. God could smite these people, but even he doesn’t think it’s that big a deal in the long run.

  • Tom

    Though I see the point, and I understand the urge to give the Phelps a taste of their own medicine, I’m afraid the only appropriate phrase here is “dude, not funny.” This is making us look like the bad guys. Also, isn’t this trespassing? Do graves count as private property, and in whose name if so?

  • Paula M Smolik

    I don’t like this at all. It makes people on my side just as shitty and disrespectful as the other side. It’s low.

  • allein

    Unless it’s a private cemetery, probably not. If it’s open to the public for visiting, I don’t see how they could say individual graves are off limits.

  • pRinzler

    My initial reaction is that this is the type of thing that’s fun to imagine doing, but probably shouldn’t be done in real life. It’s like the nasty email you write and then trash the next day.

  • Tobias2772

    Aren’t we taking graves a little too seriously ? She’s dead – this stuff isn’t bothering her at all.

  • Kodie

    I agree the dead are dead, but then is it ok for the Phelps’s to picket gay soldier funerals? Why stop and remember the dead at all? If someone insults your dead relative, are you going to say, well it doesn’t bother him, so it doesn’t bother me?

    The Phelps’s should be bothered, but that’s not really what counts here. What counts here is how we’re not hypocrites.

  • midnight rambler

    The problem is, he won’t be around for it.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    I’ve read the Satanist’s handbook. It’s quite short. It’s less objectionable than most Holy Books, that’s for sure! Other than the shock value of worshiping Satan, it’s all about freedom of conscience and action, removing shame from sex, and generally being a good person.

  • allein

    I wouldn’t want someone doing this over my grandmother’s grave; therefore I wouldn’t do it over someone else’s.

  • surfcow

    Turning the other cheek does not work on these WBC guys. Time for a different tactic.

  • 3lemenope

    Graves are not for the dead. Graves are for the living.

  • Infophile

    All this assumes that she wants orgasms when she’s given them. If she doesn’t, the word is “rape.”

    (Given that she’s dead and souls are a fiction, I don’t believe this is actually happening. But under the premises as stated… sounds a lot like rape to me, seeing as they have no way to confirm consent.)

  • Tobias2772

    Fred confronts the living – at the funeral. These guys are just having fun at no one’s expense – who’s hurt ??

  • Ton_Chrysoprase

    Trespassing on a cemetery because graves are private property? Why does everything has to result in some bulshit libertarian law-and-order thing nowadays? This is getting old real quick.

  • Joolz

    You are definitely not the only one. I laughed, and then read the post out to my DH who also found it hilarious.

  • Kodie

    At no one’s expense? I would think the intent was to mess with Fred Phelps. I don’t think it’s justified when he does it, so it shouldn’t be just fine because he’s such an asshole he deserves it when we (or someone) does it to him. If I’m not mistaken, his activities surrounding funerals have been curbed around the time and proximity to a funeral that he may picket. I like a good mockery as well as the next person, but doing exactly what he does because we have an opinion about him and want to hurt his feelings is exactly the same as what he does. There is no “but we’re right, so it’s ok” here. And when he does it, he’s an asshole right?

    Edit: besides which, we don’t believe in magic. We don’t believe this little demonstration has any power to do what it asserts to do, which is basically to call a dead woman’s name mud re-assign a dead woman’s sexual orientation for our own vanity and purpose at getting back at her son. That’s about the most thoughtless and asinine thing I’ve ever heard of.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    True. But since Satanism is all about sexual consent (seriously, it’s a big section in the book that deals with sexual ethics), I doubt they’d force orgasms on her spirit. Most people would take them, and I imagine they just didn’t think about anyone not wanting orgasms.

    Caveats as per usual that I don’t think any of this spirit/soul/Heaven thing is real, but pretending.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    I don’t see how they’re calling her name mud. They claim they “turned her gay”. That’s not a bad thing to be.

    In other words, the biggest problem with their action is using Fred Phelps’ own bigotry against him. While I wouldn’t want this done to the graves of my ancestors, that’s because it’s disrespectful to who they were in life, not because ‘teh gay’ is bad. And no, I don’t think you think it is. In fact, I know you’re very pro-LGBT rights. I just think you’re buying into the cultural narrative of “gay = bad” a little bit here without thinking it all the way through.

  • Kodie

    I think telling a lie about someone may not be mud exactly, but I think it’s misinformation, so excuse my word choice – I blanked out on what I was trying to say and even mud is.. if I could be articulate at all, I would never even use the word mud. I might use another word you wouldn’t like, being lazy, but that just the word I could come up with. I struggled through other bits of words (asserts) to get my thoughts out. I think I’m digging a hole now so I’ll just get back to my drinking.

    See ya!

  • Kodie

    Right. It’s the kind of thing Fred Phelps would do.

  • Kodie

    Just like I don’t know why you need Jesus to be a good person, I don’t know why you need Satan to make up your own code of conduct.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    Fair enough! Enjoy your evening of booze and (hopefully) debauchery.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    You don’t. It’s all made up. It’d be far, far better for people to think things through themselves than just accept a set of morals handed them on a platter.

    But, if someone is going to be intellectually lazy and want a set of morals handed them on a silver platter, they could also do worse than Satanist morals. While I’d far prefer people just be honest about how they arrive at their ethics, if they feel the need to assign a fictional character responsibility for them, why not Satan?

  • Pseudonym

    Some gay love would probably make his afterlife more pleasant.

  • Pseudonym

    Who’s hurt? Any living relatives of Catherine Idalette Johnston who aren’t batshit crazy.

    Remember, this is Nate Phelps’ grandmother we’re talking about.

  • Pseudonym

    You do know that’s a term of bigotry to refer to people who are left-handed?

  • RowanVT

    Is sinister also on the list of forbidden obscure insults?

  • Trickster Goddess

    When old Fred finally dies, the cemetery could probably save a lot of maintenance costs by just installing a dance floor on his grave.

  • Tom

    Not necessarily trespassing in the cemetery, but on the specific grave itself. I’m genuinely curious – just what do the property laws say about grave plots? I assume dead people can’t legally own land, although stranger laws have existed, but surely it defeats the whole point of a cemetery not to afford some kind of status, property rights or other protection to the individual plots that you wouldn’t get by burying people just anywhere.

  • Tom

    On the contrary, it does work – the WBC is loud, but it is and has always been miniscule, and looks set to remain so just as long as their actions are consistently regarded by the general populace as far more abhorrent than anyone else, and not something they’d want to get associated with. If we lower ourselves to their level, we close that gap.

  • Randay

    Bill Maher took care of the Mormons with his unbaptism of Mitt Romney’s father-in-law who was a free thinker.


  • Randay

    Next thing you know, dead people will be marrying and screwing other dead people of whatever sex, or even dead people will be will be marrying and screwing live people.

  • Epinephrine

    I’m not sure why anyone would care. My grandmother wouldn’t (she’s dead, after all), I don’t care if a bunch of people want to make claims about what’s happening in the afterlife (if I had convictions about it, I would probably just believe my own; I don’t so I don’t care), and if couples (gay, straight, bi-,…) want to kiss over a grave without damaging it I have no concern that way. If it interfered with me visiting the grave it would be annoying, but I don’t imagine that there are queues formed or anything.

  • allein

    Well, according to this, http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Cemeteries (under “Interference with Owner’s Rights”), you can prosecute someone for trespassing on a plot. So I stand corrected. (emphasis mine):

    Either criminal or civil liability, or both, exist for Trespass or other types of injuries to a cemetery or to individual burial plots. If a burial ground or plot is wrongfully invaded or desecrated, an action of trespass may be brought against the wrongdoer. Vandalism and destruction of tombstones are criminal offenses. The person who erects a tombstone may maintain an action for injury to it. After that person’s death, his or her heirs may prosecute such an action. Generally, the measure of damages for trespass is the cost of restoration. Since there is a strong public policy against injury to gravesites due to the indignity of the act, punitive damages—intended to deter future acts of desecration—may be awarded.

    (Dead people obviously can’t own the plot; their heirs would.) I don’t know if Phelps would prevail if they aren’t damaging anything, but I wouldn’t put it past him to sue them for this.

  • Lori F

    Makes me wonder where Fred’s plot is. perhaps have the location tainted by gayness. then he’d have to find another plot.
    maybe the world would get lucky and drive him to death. but he’s probably going to be sainted by his people who will have him embalmed and set upon an alter for worship. eeew

  • scroogleu

    What I know is what a group of Satanists just did, with it church’s blessing. Desecration of a grave, public and and pardently provocative ssexual behavior in a cemetery! Not so bad as sacrificing your mother to Satan (somebody did that recently), but not particularly nice either. I didn’t say it (that they are mostly idiots who enjoy shocking other people), they said it through such behavior. If your a smart person who cares about contributing to society, you will sooner join the atheist movement.

  • scroogleu

    I won’t lie – I laughed pretty hard at first. I just love the idea that he had to see this, and that it disturbed him, just like he disturbed all those families who he’s been harassing. But in reality they are playing all the non-satanic gays into his hands! Now word is out that “those evil gays” truly are evil, given their disproportionate population among satanists. Don’t flame me, I’m just observing how people think! I don’t want that group in my corner as an atheist, and I wouldn’t want the association if I were gay either.

  • scroogleu

    How did they elicit consent regarding those “orgasms”? Did a gang of dudes cause her to become gay because they were hurting her? “Recognized religious ritual”, and not made up specifically for the purpose of addressing Phelps? Right, and my gut glowed last night after I consumed my god during communion, at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    Pink Masses have been a thing for a little while now. Just because they’re inherently silly doesn’t mean they’re sillier than other religious rituals- they aren’t. Almost all religious rituals are rather silly (I mean, baptism in a river? Seriously? That is some heavy-duty silly right there).

    And no, why would you think they were hurting her spirit somehow? That’s clearly not what any part of this ritual was about. Do you think Mormon post-death baptisms torture souls into accepting that? Why would that be your first thought? I mean, granted, the whole idea of souls is a very silly one in and of itself, but if you thought they were real, why would you immediately go to hurting it?

    As I explained above, since Satanism is all about sexual consent (seriously, it’s a big section in the book that deals with sexual ethics), I doubt they’d force orgasms on her spirit. Most people would take them, and I imagine they just didn’t think about anyone not wanting orgasms. Especially a soul stuck in a Christian (thus sexless) version of Heaven. It’s like serving people (lactose-free, fat free, favorite flavor) ice cream. The vast majority of the time people are going to be happy about that. The idea of someone not liking ice cream just wouldn’t cross your mind.

    If your gut glowed, go see a doctor. That’s not normal.

  • Spuddie

    The plot and tombstone are paid for by private citizens. Plus there is a societal punitive aspect to penalties against grave desecration. It is a rather extreme personal offense designed to inflict emotional distress.

    The laws always treat bad acts (or negligence) against the dead rather harshly because of the emotional attachment people have to the deceased and their memorials.

    The inner child in me is delighted by the acts, the grown up in me is annoyed. (My inner child was a bit of a destructive douchebag).

  • Spuddie

    Its still either a criminal act or at the very least a civil tort with some potential for a hefty judgment. They just handed the WBC a public relations coup or a way to use the courts to squeeze money from ne’er do-well Satanists.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    When you assume, you make an ass out of you and… well, pretty much just you.

  • Keane Sanders

    I like that people keep equating a silly ritual designed to get at one person/small group of people with traumatizing grieving families.

    Totes the same.

  • axelbeingcivil

    Does it matter? The solution to discrimination isn’t “discriminate right back”. That just starts the philosophical equivalent of gang warfare. It also hardens the hearts of anyone who might be willing to listen to reason if they see you as a bunch of loons.

  • scroogleu

    Well, excuse me, Kitty-Kat, but what did I specifically “assume”? What notions did I express which are not reasonably grounded on the facts of what you people (or your people) did in that cemetery? Leta talk about that -being such a master of that art, maybe you can give me a few tips on how to make a bigger ass of myself!

  • scroogleu

    Yo, Feminerd!

    I wasn’t really concerned that those boys may have hurt Phelps’ mother, because I know that you cannot harm the dead. There is no real Church of the Flying Sphaghetti Monster, I dd not really partake in Pastafarian communion by consuming the one true God’s holy appendage (pasta and meatballs) until my gut glowed from His healing power. This is satire. It should not be difficult to understand when an atheist uses sarcasm because he is by definition not make serious claims on spirit powers and afterlife experiences. Because Satanists sometimes (at least) have done so. and to be fair you have been definitively enigmatic, how can the rest of us know when you are being sarcastic? Do you really believe in afterlife orgasms? If so, how can you be assured of consent (how do the dead signal this)?

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    One: They aren’t “my people”.

    Two: There was no “desecration” of the grave — they simply used it as a prop.

    Three: You’re still making an ass of yourself…

  • shhh

    dead people dont care what happens to the piece of rock with their name on it resting above them. and im pretty sure that being straight or gay or bisexual only applies to this physical plane considering that sex and gender dont exist after your body dies.

  • Pat Booker

    The minute you start indulging in this kind of groupthink (christians as a group and gay people as a group) you start committing injustice to individuals within the groups. What about christian individuals who aren’t homophobic? What about gay christians?

  • Pat Booker

    LaVey’s satanism is keen on consent and individual rights, but they’re non-theistic satanists and far from the only ones out there. They are to satanism what the Church of England is to Xtianity – the respectable ones, not afraid of publicity. There are some who are genuinely sick puppies.

  • Pat Booker

    It’s not okay to use the dead to hurt the living. This is playing Phelps at his own game. but his game is nasty and spiteful. Considering all the great positive ways to oppose him (such as being part of a human wall between the WBC and the families at funerals) why stoop to this level?