Jack Schaap: Villain or Victim?

Update on the ongoing scandal without the Independent Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana.

Seems that with every passing day there has been increasingly odd new stories coming out about the real reasons Jack Schaap has been asked to step down from his pastorate position at the First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana. Some of his supporters are trying to spin it as if he were the victim of a wicked, wily, horny teenage girl, that old ‘blame the victim’ mentality that hinges on modesty issues most of the time.

But there were hints that Jack Schaap was not quite right before this incident came to light. Like the strange things that were said during his last sermon at First Baptist Church. It’s been mostly purged off the internet but Stuff Fundies Love has this transcript of it with the time marks as to when Jack Schaap said these things.

01:20 Let me ask your daughter something. You date him? Have you
kissed him? Ya’ sleeping with him? Multiple times?

04:04 And I’ll look at the person and say, who ya sleeping with? Your
kid’s problem(s) isn’t, the, did you see how short her skirt is, no,
the problem is, she takes her skirt, and everything else off. Your
kids are coming to me and telling me they have sexual experiences in
the hundreds; hundreds; hundreds.

05:04 Is she good in bed? How many times have you slept with her? Are
you uncomfortable?

05:46 You know, the most common question I ask our teenagers: are you
safe in how you act? Mom and dad, you understand the language? That’s
my most common question. In Baptist Church, in Hammond, Indiana, are
you practicing safe sex?

09:10 I want to say to my fellow brethren cremate me over this. Absolutely destroy me on the blog pages. Massacre. We’ve lost lost
scores of HAC students because pastors get furious when I talk about this. But who wrote the book on sexuality folks?

09:47 Nobody wants to be more intimate with you than God does. The language that Jesus Christ used when he talked to his Father about what he wanted for his people. Read John 17 mom and daddy and tell me how intimate he wanted your kids to be with him. Read John 15 and ask me if Jesus Christ just wanted to shake hands. [whispering] If you abide in me, and my words abide in you. I in you. You in Me. We in the Father, the Father in us. Don’t try to reach some ambiguous theological nonsense in that. Jesus was saying, can I put it in language that everybody understands. He says “I want be the most intimate of intimates with you.”

10:50 But if we don’t get it figured out that we’re connected with God. And when your teenager goes through adolescence and they start changing, and daddy, you don’t want to touch her anymore, you know you don’t want to hug her anymore; trust me, she’s got a boyfriend lined up who’ll be happy to touch her.

11:50 Mom, dad, listen to me. I don’t need more business, but when your children reach that age, and they start going through that 13, 14, 15 year stage, send them to me, I’ll talk to them. Please don’t look at me like I’m stupid, why are you talking this way? Because I don’t want to lose your kids, that’s why. Because you don’t want to find out about it do you mom and daddy. And I’ll tell you three reasons why. Number one, because you’re dirty yourself.

12:42 I was one of those little kids that went to a public school. You’ve heard me say it, I watched sex take place in the Junior High hallway, but I was a virgin when I got married.

13:09 You know what grieves my heart. I’m looking around and see some of you men sleeping and I want to walk up to you. I can tell you how many girls your son has slept with; I know. He lives at home with you right now. You’re sleeping. You’re sound asleep. I want to walk up to you and say wake up dad, your son is whoring around.

15:03 Do you know how many times your daughter sneaks out in the wee hours of the morning to have sex with her boyfriend? Well, not my
daughter. I’ll take pictures for ya’.

Under the disguise of ‘counseling’ Jack Schaap took advantage of a sixteen year old girl. She was receiving counseling for sexual abuse and it seems her counselor heaped on more sexual abuse. It was discovered because of photos of Schaap and this young woman together in a way that can no way to construed as therapeutic on a cell phone.

Jack Hyles’ Daughter Reveals The ‘Secret’

Last Gasps

Hammond Pastor Dismissed For “Improper Relationship With Young Woman”

Megachurch Pastor Axed Over Cell Pics of Makeout Session With Teen

Comments open below

NLQ Recommended Reading …

Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment‘ by Janet Heimlich

Quivering Daughters‘ by Hillary McFarland

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

 

 

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  • madame

    I knew I’d heard his name before!!!!!
    I couldn’t find the original videos, but this one has a few of his prized nuggets. “It will be a cold day in hell before I listen to a woman talking about theology… it’s scriptural!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YixqtOOrQt8

  • http://BaptistTalibanandBeyond. Cindy Foster

    “Mom, dad, listen to me. I don’t need more business, but when your children reach that age, and they start going through that 13, 14, 15 year stage, send them to me, I’ll talk to them.”

    And now we know why he implored the parents to send their ‘promiscuous’ teens to HIM! Ironically, sickeningly prophetic…..

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    I cannot fathom sitting in a pew and listening to someone say all that stuff without being deeply, deeply uncomfortable and grossed out. WTF?

    Also, um, is he saying that Jesus wants to have sex with teenagers? Maybe that’s what he told himself….

  • http://BaptistTalibanandBeyond. Cindy Foster

    Actually, that could be exactly what he was implying. He wrote a book to that effect…titled some thing like, “Intimacy with God”. I believe SFL posted something about it a while back. People sitting under that crap long enough just tend to get either desensitized or numb to it.

  • Tony Cisneros

    Ha Ha Ha !

    I Just Have To LAUGH At Your SMEAR Of DR. JACK SCHAAP, Former Pastor Of THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, HAMMOND, INDIANA: “JACK SCHAAP: VILLIAN OR VICTIM ?”

    Ofcourse You Show Yourself IGNORANT That This Whole SO-CALLED “SEX-SCANDAL” Can Or Could VERY WELL BE A SATANIC-VATICANIST “JESUIT” CONTRIVED, CREATED & CONSPIRED “SEX-SCANDAL” TO NOT ONLY ATTEMPT TO “DESTROY” THE LIFE & FAMILY OF DR. JACK SCHAAP: BUT ALSO TO “DESTROY” THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, HAMMOND, INDIANA !

    DR. ALBERTO RIVERA–THE FORMER HIGH-RANKING “JESUIT” PRIEST OF THE SATANIC ROMAN-”CATHOLIC” VATICAN REVEALED, BACK IN THE 1970s-1990s HOW, AS A “JESUIT” PRIEST UNDER THE “EXTREME-OATH & INDUCTION” OF THE “JESUITS”; HE WAS ASSIGNED TO DESTROY PROTESTANT CHURCHES, ESPECIALLY BIBLICAL-LITERALIST FUNDAMENTAL BIBLE PROTESTANT CHURCHES & THEIR PASTORS FOR THE CAUSE OF THE ROMAN-”CATHOLIC” VATICAN’S GOAL OF A TOTAL “GLOBALIST” NEW-RELIGIOUS-WORLD-ORDER & CONTROL OF GLOBAL & WORLD-WIDE “CHRISTIANITY” !

    DR. ALBERTO RIVERA SAID IN 1979: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  • Tony Cisneros

    DR. ALBERTO RIVERA (1935-1997) SAID IN 1979 (IN HIS TESTIMONY TO THE WHOLE WORLD):

    “WHILE THE BAPTIST PASTOR WAS GETTING ME INTO THE INTERDENOMINATIONAL SEMINARY, WE (“JESUITS”) STARTED A RUMOR THAT HE (THE ‘PROTESTANT’ PASTOR) WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH AN 18 YEAR-OLD GIRL.

    SHE WAS A [ROMAN] CATHOLIC PLANT.

    WHE TOLD THE DEACONS WHO OPPOSED THE (‘PROTESTANT’) PASTOR THAT SHE WANTED TO CONFESS SHE AND THE PASTOR HAD AN AFFAIR.

    THE PASTOR WAS INNOCENT.

    HIS WIFE DIVORCED HIM,

    THE CHURCH WAS DESTROYED,

    AND I MOVED ON TO MY NEXT (“JESUIT”) ASSIGNMENT.”–ALBERTO RIVERA (ROMERO)–PERSONAL TESTIMONY ON “ALBERTO” (c)1979 CHICK PUBLICATIONS !

  • suzannecalulu

    Facts please. Links. Back up what you’re saying or you’re not going to be taken seriously at all. Without links to established news organizations or testimony you’re just shouting into a tunnel.

  • Cj

    Oh please, Jack Schaap chose to do what he did – no one forced him, no one lied about him – he did it all on his own. Get over it – he is a child molester who had sex with a 16 year old. Keep telling yourself he didn’t. Keep drinking the kool aid.

  • Beth J.

    HIM A VICTIM??!?
    When a young minor(or anyone) is raped nothing can justify that.E-V-E-R
    i thought he was had the devil before, just seeing his sermons, but now…..i know i wont be seeing him in heaven
    I just don’t know who’s dumber, him or his followers!

    - 15 year old girl :)

  • thetwojacks

    You think this guy woke up at 54 years of age and said you know what I think I’ll have one on one counseling sessions with a beautiful girl under 18 and have relations with her? This has been going on for DECADES people!! This church under DR. JACK HYLES has taught that Samson’s fornication was ok because he was “running so fast”. DR. JACK HYLES taught that sexual sin was ok as long as you’re on the bus route every week. SICKENING!! This started back in the 70s people when Jack Schaap was a teenage boy who used to hang with DAVID HYLES. Another preacher who lives in Northwest Indiana called it a CESSPOOL of immorality, and that is exactly what is has been for decades. Moreover, if they don’t deal with it and come clean with America there will more and more and younger victims of pedophilia!!!!!!!! It is time for independent Baptist Pastors all over America to take a stand against the heresy, the immorality, and the man worship of this wicked organization. I realize they have done some good in the community, but their methods have even watered down the PLAN OF SALVATION by DELETING REPENTANCE FROM THE PLAN OF SALVATION. They have focused so much on faith only and avoided repentance to the point that most of the people they talk to are UNSAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • whydon’ttheysee

    This sounds a lot like a church I used to belong to. A church where the Pastor has had relations with many young women under 18 – except his church covers for him! Crazy! Check out the ROC (Richmond Outreach Center). That place is terrible! So bad, that the google results pull up information on them being a cult and everything else horrible they’re doing/have done BEFORE THEIR OWN WEBSITE! They are also, according to them, the “fifth fastest-growing ministry in the nation”.

  • Tim

    I believe Jack Schaap might be a fraud. Fraudsters do this thing where they get a thrill out of seeing how far they can push the envelope and risk exposure, right in front of all their followers.

    Schaap did this many times. I hate to say this, but search YouTube for “schaap polish shaft” and you’ll see an example of it.

  • Ray McIntyre

    Alberto Rivera was nothing more or less than a con man. That he managed to convince Jack Chick and others of his supposed bona fides shows only how desperate they were. He was a liar and a con man, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Ray McIntyre

    This is nothing more or less than heiferdust, particularly thick and unpleasant heiferdust at that.

  • http://calulu.blogspot.com Calulu

    ROC is doing that sort of stuff too? Wow, I live near enough Richmond that I get to hear all of ROC’s radio ads and invitations to conferences there. Had no idea. They brag they are the fastest growing church in the USA.
    Thanks for the tip.

  • mattsterps

    i agree jack schaap chose to do that. but i also think the the sixteen year old girl chose to do what she did, when you chose to sin your not a victim. until you know all the facts, be careful to call someone a child molester. molestation is defined as the forcing of undesired sexual behavior by one person upon another. i am not justifying what jack schaap did, he is human, but he is also held to a higher standard scripturally. i believe jack schaap can be restored like king david was after his sin.

  • Carol

    Choose to? Yeah, this is a religious organization that is all about giving choices to women and girls, I’m sure. Men are always right and should always be obeyed. She made a choice. That’s a good one.

  • suzannecalulu

    Anytime someone OVER the age of legal consent has ANY type of sexual encounter with someone UNDER the age of legal consent the law considers it to be either statutory rape or child molestation. No clergy with any integrity would counsel one on one without others present in the session someone of the opposite sex. Clearly Schaap is guilty of at the very least of statutory rape since his victim is not of legal age to give consent.

    The only way Jack Schaap will ever be ‘restored’ is by actually acknowledging that what he did was wrong, paying the price for having violated state and federal law and undergoing counseling. But in the natural I know that will never happen because he’s so arrogant and prideful.

    I hope he gets jail time, lots and lots of jail time because he clearly preyed on someone he shouldn’t of.

  • whydon’ttheysee

    Yea, the ROC is terrible. Just google their name, you won’t have to look for to find the info I’m referencing.

  • Ken Qualls

    He did show signs of being a genuine fraud and of being an abuser. But it is also possible that
    Schaap was drunk on power, praise andprestige. This inebriation deluded him into believing that he was as great and powerful as his devotes believed he was. He lost sight of something we should all remembe. We are not as smart as we think we are, we are not as slick as we think we are. Whatever he was he abused a child ! No excuses, no explanations.

    The sad thing is that when he gets out of prison there are churches that will gladly, without question or reservation put him in charge of their church and their little girls.
    Every church should have safe guards and checks and ballances to prevent this from happening. Don’t ignore any complaints are rumors.

  • Ken Qualls

    I read that Schaap told authorities that he didn’t transport the victim across state lines that someone brought her to him in htose states. Has that person or persons been named and held accountable for their part? I hope someone will post this information somewhere.

  • http://www.hermitware.com Hermit

    It’s incredible to me how good Christian people could sit there and hear his sexualized sermons and not realise that something was very wrong. Quite frankly I would never stay at such a church. C’mon Christians, use your brains!! Oh, and DON’T worship or give such unquestioning respect and loyalty to the pastor or any authority figure – the head of the church is the Lord Jesus Christ. When we gather it is to meet Him. The idea of a one man “minister” leading a church is completely unscriptural and fraught with danger.


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