Quoting Quiverfull: Marrying Young Keeps The Gay Away?

by Vaughn Ohlman from Persevero News - I Call Them Traitors

The Internet was all abuzz with the news that Exodus International, a group that claimed to help ‘homosexuals’ who were ‘struggling with same sex attraction’ to change. The group issued an ‘apology’ to the ‘gay community’ for their ‘years of undue judgement’.

‘Undue judgment’. Interesting words. ‘Undue’: not due. Not what is due the person. Not what we should be doing to the person. Not what is owed the person.

Not.

Let us be very clear. We are all sinners. We all do things worthy of death. So when it comes to what is ‘due’, then the judgement of death is ‘due’ every one of us. All of us. Whether we are fornicators, proud, disobedient to parents…

Or Sodomites.

The ‘gay community’. Gay: those who commit and promote Sodomy.[2] Community: group of people. A Christian apologizing to a group of people who commit and promote Sodomy. Well, it has happened before, sort of. Several times Sodom was held up as an example of ‘people who would have repented’ if only given the same miracles that were done in some towns of Israel.[4]

But there the ‘apology’ was in favor of their repentance. The Israelite cities were told that Sodom would have repented faster then they (the Israelites cities) did. See Nineveh, for example. Here, on the other hand, we see a supposed Christian leader apologizing to a community of sinners… for accusing them of sin!

The only proper response for Christians, as Christians, to the ‘gay community’ is condemnation. An individual, suffering with temptation to a given sin, that person should be approached differently, perhaps. Especially if they are repentant! If they recognize their sin as sin!!

But the ‘gay community’ is made up of people who, precisely, do not recognize what they are doing as sin. The ‘gay community’ can have no fellowship with Christians…

The ‘gay’ community, as a community, must be duly condemned. An individual Sodomite, who has repented and turned from Sodomy, why, how are we any different? Which of us is not, in our hearts, adulterers, murderers, fornicators, theives…? But that is what we were, not what we are! The ‘gay’ community should be treated like we would treat the ‘rapist’ community, ‘the community of committed axe murderers’ and the like. Sodomy is, will always be, and must be recognized as, a sin. Sodomy is a civil crime and, if there are the requisite two witnesses, then the proper punishment is death by stoning. How is it that we can have a ‘Christian’ group that speaks of their ‘relationship’ with the ‘gay community’??

What then should be our response to the scourge of Sodomy that threatens to devour and destroy our entire society?

Firstly, God calls us to pray, first of all. Our land can only be healed by prayer.[5] Prayer is to be our first and continual response to any ‘crisis’ in our society, church, or family.

Secondly,  God calls us to speak the truth in love.[6] Love does not mean false speaking or modern ‘tolerance’. Love speaks the truth and wishes the good, not the evil, of its object. And Love speaks the truth.

The truth is that there is a sin, properly called ‘Sodomy’. A sin named after an evil city. A sin which is named after a sin which is a blasphemy against the image of Christ. We must call it a sin, we must never call it any other. And I would call it Sodomy, as well.

As we have abandoned the name of this sin, so we have abandoned the Law of God that governs and condemns it. In both the Old and New Testaments Sodomy is a death penalty offense. It was God himself who rained down fire on the city of Sodom, where there were not even ten righteous men.

There is one more thing to be spoken of. One thing that God commanded, specifically, has designed and prepared for us for exactly this problem, exactly this issue, exactly this blasphemy. A solution that our modern church has ignored, denied, and even contradicted.

Sodomy is a form of fornication, and our society is not the first to fall under its sway. And God speaks, very deliberately, of how it is that we as Christians, indeed as a society, are to combat fornication.

God has prepared, for every man, a wife, and for every woman a husband. A wife they are to take in their youth:

Let us as a church, and as a society, turn back to the good gift that God has given us, and turn from our blasphemy:

And as for the men, supposedly Christian men, of Exodus International, the men who have done this blasphemous thing, I declare them traitors. Their hearts only God can judge, but as for their actions, this we each must respond to.

Comments open below

To see the scads of scriptures inserted into this posting to support the author’s  suppositions please click on I Call Them Traitors.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

NLQ Recommended Reading …

Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment‘ by Janet Heimlich

Quivering Daughters‘ by Hillary McFarland

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

 

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  • Joy

    “God has prepared, for every man, a wife, and for every woman a husband.”

    Umm, no actually. He hasn’t…check your Bible. The Apostle Paul wasn’t married.

  • Joyce

    “A sin which is named after a sin which is a blasphemy against the image of Christ”

    Can someone unpack this sentence for me and tell me, in English, what it even means?

    I really tried to follow his argument, but between this and a few other sentences that were garbled gibberish, and his logical errors of ascribing a cause-and -effect relationship where one does not exist, what he’s saying just doesn’t make any sense.

  • Nightshade

    Does this guy think early marriage is the answer to everything? I was actually wondering for a bit if his writings were intended as satire, sometimes he seems to be way too extreme for anyone to take seriously.

  • texcee

    Um … no … marrying young will not keep the gay away, considering it is a genetic predisposition that you’re born with. So, consider this … if God made you in the womb, then God made you gay. If God created you this way, then He intended you to be this way.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I’m afraid it’s not satire. I think satire would be better written and not lumped in with several other writers who are dead serious. Would love to know the reasoning, the REAL reason/life happening, that made him decide marrying very young was the only way to go.

    Also I wonder sometimes when I read homophobic rants like this if the author is even aware of the gay television channels and ads by major businesses running on these channels that are all about gays. His head might actually explode if he ran across real gay culture.

  • mayarend

    Wait. ” We all do things worthy of death. So when it comes to what is ‘due’, then the judgement of death is ‘due’ every one of us.” and “Which of us is not, in our hearts, adulterers, murderers, fornicators, theives…?” wait, you are, in your heart, a murderer, a thief and an adulterer? You don’t sound like someone who could pass moral advice…

    “Sodomy is a civil crime and, if there are the requisite two witnesses, then the proper punishment is death by stoning.” dafuk?

    Hi, rape culture? So, all lesbians and gays need is a good .. sex with oposite gender partners? Like those guys raping lesbians to “cure” them. Oh what a lovely guy this one -.-’

  • Madame

    If you check his personal blog, you’ll find that he not only advocates for early marriage, but for paternal election of marriage partners. It’s… well, patriocentricity at it’s best!
    Here you go! http://vonstakes.blogspot.de/

  • Madame

    True.

    Not everyone is destined to get married.

  • itsdanilove

    Exactly what I thought–get married, it’ll solve EVERYTHING!!! It’s starting to sound like a creepy fetish.

  • NeaDods

    Yeah, I was wondering about that. Plenty of bachelors and spinsters in this world and in the Bible. Most people just need to look around their own families to know that’s just plain wrong.

  • http://www.nightphoenix.com Amaranth

    “The only proper response for Christians, as Christians, to the ‘gay community’ is condemnation.”

    No. No, no, and no. The proper response as a Christian is NEVER condemnation. Jesus did not say “love your neighbor provided he is properly and publicly sorry for his sins” or “save your condemnation for the unrepentant wicked”. He said love your neighbor. Period.

    Also, this guy really needs to reread the book of Ezekiel. The sin of Sodom was quite explicitly mentioned, and sex had nothing to do with it. Actually I’d agree with him that our nation is suffering mightily under the weight of sodomy…if by “sodomy” we’re using the correct, Biblical definition that includes inhospitality, rampant greed, and unkindness toward the poor and foreigners.

  • Saraquill

    “Sodomy is a civil crime” <– Not since Lawrence vs. Texas.

    "Love does not mean false speaking or modern ‘tolerance’. Love speaks the truth and wishes the good, not the evil, of its object."<— I really don't think this man knows what he's saying.

  • Saraquill

    I’m guessing he thought it sounded cool.

  • Baby_Raptor

    This man is openly advocating for my murder.

    And we’re supposed to respect this as “religious freedom”?

    *I’m* the bad guy when I call talk like this hate?

  • aim2misbehave

    “I declare them traitors…”

    What is it with people like this guy (and Doug Wilson, I think) being like “I declare them…” or “I name them…” as if those are magic words that make them completely and indisputably right? Like since they’re saying it with their kind of theological terminology, that means that nobody has any remaining grounds to argue with them? It just reeks as so much of self-importance and pride and an inflated sense of ego… something that Jesus had quite a few negative things to say about.

    And speaking of things that Jesus said, I seem to remember a passage involving sin and throwing stones… how in the world is it that Jesus almost literally says “Don’t stone the adulterer because you aren’t perfect either?” but this guy has no problem advocating the same for gay people?

  • Ronica Skarphol Brownson

    And for some, he prepared HUNDREDS!!!

  • Madame

    Or profound

  • Trollface McGee

    I think the analogy is that if someone is doing something harmful to themselves or others that tolerating it doesn’t benefit anyone involved (usually being a judgemental jerk doesn’t either). Of course, the obvious fail is that there isn’t anything inherently harmful about a relationship because of the genders or identities of those involved.
    It seems to be a pattern with fundies to make analogies and metaphors that are just terrible. Perhaps instead of worrying so much about people’s sex lives, they should worry more about what’s included in their Christian grammar textbooks.

  • Trollface McGee

    This is torture by grammar and re-reading that made my brain hurt. I shudder to think that this sounds coherent in someone’s mind.

  • lodrelhai

    “The ‘gay’ community should be treated like we would treat the ‘rapist’ community…”

    The incongruity here is mind-boggling. Purity culture places a woman’s body strictly under the governance of the males in her life, ignoring her will on its use – how is this not support of ‘rapist’ community? Molesters and rapists are held blameless or repentant with only the vaguest of apologies, while the victims – male or female – are accused of bringing on the assault or being hard-hearted for not forgiving their abuser. And of course if the assault is by a married man on his wife, there’s no assault at all! Seems to me the ‘rapist’ community is being treated pretty damn well. But heaven forbid consenting adults engage in any sort of romantic or sexual behavior with someone of the same sex…

  • Baby_Raptor

    I asked the same question about another guy some posts back.

    I think it’s just their ego, trumped up by all the power they believe they hold. They’re buying into their own air of authority. Maybe it makes the underlings believe them more?

    Edit for clarity: The question in your first paragraph, I mean. I didn’t read the second one before hurrying off to reply. >.>

  • texcee

    And what about all the monks and nuns and people who have devoted their lives to God and celibacy throughout the past 2000 years? Their belief was that they were serving God better by giving up the possibility of marriage to devote themselves to God’s work.

  • texcee

    So … married heterosexual couples who have anal sex in the privacy of their bedrooms should be stoned to death?

  • mayarend

    Great question. I’m betting his answer would be… If the husband wants it, the husband gets it. And if the wife wants it. Or doesn`t want it. Or enjoys it. Or doesn’t pretend to enjoy it. Or breathes at all, she should be stoned and he should be allowed to take a new, younger, wife (or wives)…


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