Quoting Quiverfull: In Which Debi Pearl Explains…

…how linking To Train Up a Child to the death of Hana Grace Williams is the same as Hitler’s Big Lie.

by Debi Pearl from No Greater Joy Ministries -   A Call to Stand

Hitler’s propagandists used one of Satan’s choice tools to pull off the biggest crime toward mankind in the history of the world. They used a lie. They taught that if you tell a lie and keep repeating it enough, people will eventually come to believe it. And when they believe—truly believe—it will turn them into activists who will bring it to pass.
It only takes one liar to start the evil stampede. Our first liar was a young lesbian newspaper reporter from the East Coast. She showed up at church one Sunday morning. Our grown children, as well as a few of their friends, took her out to eat afterward and freely answered every question, laughing at her ridiculous suppositions. It turns out it wasn’t funny.
We read what she wrote on the Web. We were amazed that she would so blatantly lie, attributing to us the evil done by a child murderer that we had never met and who had NEVER read anything we wrote. But the news never carried that piece of evidence, and our not having to take the stand in court only made the voice of lies cry louder. Years passed and during that time over 1500 children a year died at the hands of their drugged or otherwise non-homeschooling parents, yet no one mentioned our name. We never heard from the lesbian reporter again but occasionally read her lies on the lesbian homeschool blog sites. Eventually false “news” begets more of the same. Repeat a lie often enough and someone is bound to pick it up.
Some homeschooling lady on the West Coast was arrested for killing her adopted child. It was widely reported that someone thought that lady might have one of our books. It turns out, according to the police report, that the guilty lady didn’t actually have our book, but who needs truth to make sensational news? About that time, the TV reporters drove from New York to my garden to have a chat. After they saw Mike coming on his tractor, they informed me they were TV reporters making a video clip for a homosexual TV personality. Mike sat on the tractor and answered their questions, which, when aired, were mysteriously changed in the footage. Hitler’s propaganda machine suddenly found new life. From the lies of one young lesbian years earlier came this BIG lie. Repeat a lie often enough and even Christians will come to believe it and militantly take up the offense.
I would estimate that as many as 9 out of every 10 homeschooling families now believes that lie. Yesterday a doctor’s wife was visiting, and she said that fellow Christians angrily approached her for being friends of the Pearls. “That’s just it,” she tells them, “I know them, I know their kids and grandkids, I know thousands of people who have used their literature to help their children . . . including you, and you are telling ME what you heard Anderson Cooper say is the truth? I think you’re missing something here!”
Six million Jewish people lost their lives to Hitler’s great lies. Good people helped make it happen because they truly believed the lie. Today homeschoolers are giving away their rights as parents because they have believed a lie. Even misguided homeschool leaders are propagating lies in their writings. Satan’s end is to steal the hearts of your children, and his lies are working.
Will you seek truth and STAND? Will you encourage others to wake up before their parental rights are stripped from them by the power of bogus news reports? First one person tells a lie, then a few repeat it, and when lies are repeated often enough and well enough, they become as truth and laws are passed based on these lies. In the end, Satan, the father of all lies, will have your children. BUT we can drown the voices of lies if we speak and write the truth well enough and often enough. Will you STAND?

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  • Lolly

    The lady who mangles the bible to suit her agenda goes full Godwin. Sounds like someone is desperately trying to claw back a shred of credibility. Satan,the father of all lies will have your children, so buy my book. What a marketing technique!

  • persephone

    Those horrible lying lesbians are evil!

    Seriously, all I can come up with in regard to that is WTF?!

  • Iris

    In regards to going Godwin: I keep thinking of this comic strip http://bluedogeyes.tumblr.com/post/35957629230/reductio-ad-hitlerum-via-wikipedia-strip-smbc

    Also – how often is it possible to mention someones sexual orientation in one paragraph even though it is completely irrelevant to the topic?
    Oh right. Homosexuals = evil and at fault for everything.
    Hm..come to think of it, wasn’t Hitler heterosexual? ;-)

  • texcee

    *head desk* *repeat until unconcious*

  • Kristen Rosser

    How totally disrespectful to the memory of the Jews and other prisoners of the Nazi camps, to compare a newspaper reporter’s words that have caused some anger towards the Pearls, to words that justified the starvation, torture and death of millions.

    Further, the fact is that Hannah Williams’ adoptive parents did possess and read To Train Up a Child. It wasn’t a lie.

  • Shadow Spring

    Debi Pearl is evil, and deep down, she knows it.

  • Kristen Rosser

    Yes– it’s a silencing technique. This woman was a lesbian; therefore she must necessarily have had an agenda against the Pearls; therefore, what she reported is not to be listened to or believed.

  • Joy

    Yes, the female reporter was lesbian and the male reporter is homosexual therefore they were anti-Pearl. *shakes head* Their sexual orientation really has no bearing on this!!!

  • brbr2424

    Carri Williams testified on the stand that she had the book and that she read it, and used it, and came up with her own creative innovations inspired by the book. A couple of the bio kids said the book was in the house. It didn’t come up in testimony but she actively promoted the book and gave copies to other parents.

    Any shred of credibility that may have existed in that paranoid rant was gone with the denial that the Williams’s owned the book.

  • Joy

    Dear Debi, I’m straight AND a former homeschool mama and I don’t agree with you. Tell me, where does that fit into your world view?

  • Independent Thinker

    The Seattle Times covered the relationship between the Schatz family and the book To Train Up A Child quite well:


    I posted the full link but this sums up quite well how the prosecuter felt about the relationship between the book and the Schatz family approach to discipline:

    “Ramsey, the California prosecutor, has — and he says it was crucial to the parents of Lydia Schatz.

    “I think it was very important for their philosophy,” he said. “They were basically following this recipe for disaster.”

    The book has a “seductive pull” for parents who want a cheerful, compliant child, but it creates tension between the two, Ramsey says.

    In one passage, Pearl says parents should “not allow the child’s crying to cause them to lighten up on the intensity or duration of the spankings.”

    In another, he advises parents to sit on a child if necessary and “hold him there until he has surrendered.”

    Unfortunately, the Williams case is not an isolated incident.

  • NeaDods

    *facepalm* For what is meant to be words of ringing defense, this comes across as merely defensive word salad.

    First of all, I want a dime for every time Debi uses the word “lesbian.” It has nothing to do with the truth or lies of the article, it’s just her smearing the reporter, and literally doing so every time she mentions the reporter and anything she touches. By the time she reached “lesbian reporter… lesbian homeschool blog sites” Debi frankly sounded just like a little child on the playground. She might as well have been saying “You’re a poopiehead person with a poopiehead clothing and you write poopiehead stuff!” for all the maturity and logic she displays. (I note that “homosexual TV personality” comes later; I’m actually a little surprised that she then doesn’t go on to talk about his homosexual show on his homosexual network.)

    Second: “laughing at her ridiculous suppositions.” So… your kids and their friends take this woman out to dinner, laugh in her face and are shocked! SHOCKED I SAY! to discover that she doesn’t think much of you? How dare she not gracefully submit to your ridiculing her! (Hint, honey: if you make it not be funny for the people you’re talking to, it really shoudn’t be a shock that they make damn sure “it wasn’t funny” for you.)

    Third: “a child murderer that we had never met and who had NEVER read anything we wrote” Citation for that last statement, please.

    Fourth: “Years passed and during that time over 1500 children a year died at the hands of their drugged or otherwise non-homeschooling parents” Wow. This needs a lot of unpacking. What is your citation for the number of child abuse deaths? What, aside from the same sort of immature mud-slinging, is behind the phrase “drugged or otherwise non-homeschooling”? Only non-homeschoolers abuse their kids to death? Hardly a defensible assertion in an article defending against being implicated in homeschooling abuse murders! Or that only non-homeschooling parents take drugs? Tell that to Andrea Yeats! (Remember, Rusty’s defense about leaving his kids with Andrea was that it was the DOCTOR’S fault for not drugging her more thorougly so that she couldn’t hurt the kids.)

    Fifth: after all the shouts of “lesbian!” and “lie!” bringing in Hitler is less of a direct comparison than simply an escalation of the offensive terminology. Lesbian! Hitler! Satan! Lie! Drugged! Homosexual! All of them used more or less interchangeably, and less because Hitler, satan, or drugs tie into any kind of coherent argument, but because it’s just that much more offensive and grown up than yelling “poopiehead!” at the people you’re trying to annoy.

    Sixth: “Good people helped make it happen because they truly believed the lie” No. No, do not even go there. Good people may have colluded with the Nazis because they were afraid or they were blackmailed or they were trapped, but No. Not because they “believed” the lies. Debi has basically just asserted that it’s “okay” to round up, abuse, dehumanize, and exterminate people IF YOU DO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASON. That it may have been Hitler’s persuasion that it was right to marginalize and murder Jews, but the marginalization and the murder parts are totes okay!

    Okay, Debi never actually calls for bloodshed. (Beatings, but not bloodshed.) But marginalization? Look at how she herself lesbian argues lesbian why lesbian her opponents lesbian are lesbian wrong because lesbian reasons.

  • Nightshade

    I’d like links to those ‘lesbian homeschool blog sites’…heck, I’d settle for a link to just ONE of them.

  • texcee

    Well said!

  • Joy

    Nice analysis!

  • Joy

    Me too. I want to see just what they look like!

  • Trollface McGee

    “Hitler’s propagandists used one of Satan’s choice tools to pull off the biggest crime toward mankind in the history of the world. They used a lie. ”
    Actually they used the economic turmoil brought on by Germany’s losses in WWI and the rather ridiculous terms that the “good guys” placed on them as a base. They also used the tool of marginalising groups of unfavourables like Jews gays and lesbians.

    “They taught that if you tell a lie and keep repeating it enough, people will eventually come to believe it.”
    From what I understand this is what the Pearl books advocate. Pretend you really like your worthless husband who can’t even manage to toss out some rubbish and your marriage will be great. Pretend that beating your kids make them better, and they will be.

    Years passed and during that time over 1500 children a year died at the hands of their drugged or otherwise non-homeschooling parents, yet no one mentioned our name.”
    I too can name 1,500 people I haven’t killed. In fact, more than that. I also haven’t raped or assaulted billions! Geez, I feel like a freaking saint now! Also, drugged or otherwise? My inner Lesbian Grammar-Hitler is not pleased.

    “Today homeschoolers are giving away their rights as parents because they have believed a lie.”

    Because those rights rightfully belong to the children.

  • Trollface McGee

    From now on, I’m going to start replacing all the “feminist lesbians agents of Satan” or whatever, with “poopiehead.” It really does explain the crux of their argument.

  • Madame

    I think Debi went out to lunch with Fred Phelps.

  • Independent Thinker

    I have no idea who the lesbian reporter is or even if the woman who happened to be a reporter is attracted to the same gender as her own. As for the homosexual television personality I know they are referring to Anderson Cooper because he has covered the Pearls on more than one occasion. Michael was on his daytime TV show in December of 2012 and they refer to being show in some crazy You Tube rant posted over the summer.

    From Anderson Cooper’s Daytime Show with Michael Pearl:


    As far as I am concerned what a slap in the face to Anderson Cooper they had no problems appearing in an attempt to get free publicity but when things didn’t go their way the tantrum began.

    Crazy Pearl Rant where they try to defend themselves after appearing on Anderson Cooper basically saying the show was manipulated to make them look bad:


  • Dooby Scooby

    Thank you so much for writing so succinctly. You said exactly what I wanted to, but wasn’t able to form a coherent sentence with all this steam coming out of my ears. This type of ‘logic’ makes my brain hurt. Perhaps I, too, am a lesbian? Or at the very least, a satanist.

  • NeaDods

    It’s exactly the same tone and maturity, isn’t it?

  • NeaDods

    I want to click like 1000x for the last sentence alone.

  • brbr2424

    That must have more meaning to a fundie because the comment that the report was a lesbian is a non-sequitur.

  • Monica Swanson

    I tried googling “lesbian homeschool blog” just to see if I could find it, but the only result was this article (reposted on various other sites as well).

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer
  • aim2misbehave

    I’m guessing that maybe she’s referring to Rachel Maddow? She’s the only high-profile “out” news personality that I can think of right now.

  • brbr2424

    The lesbian reporter could just have been a straight woman with short hair who wore pants. She is resorting the Sarah Palin mean girl approach to argument. If you can win on merit, then attack the sexuality of the other party.

  • brbr2424

    I think Fred Phelps is the man who doth protest too much. Rumor is that he had an encounter with another man and hates himself for enjoying it.

  • Fledgeling Feminist

    Lesbian, to Debi, is pretty much the same as being a feminist. She has argued before that women who leave their husbands end up shacking up with other women and turning lesbian for survival because they couldn’t keep their men. So, I’m going to take a stab that “Lesbian Homeschool Site” is probably a secular homeschool site that has a more feminist/secular/non-fundamentalist vibe going on and is less afraid of calling out the Pearl’s abusive teachings.

  • Madame

    This makes sense.

  • NeaDods

    Well, I’m a single woman who rents out part of her house to another woman, so I’m certainly godforsaken in Debi’s eyes. (And, ironically, often presumed to be a lesbian by the secular world. But hey – bills are expensive! It helps us both to share economics, if not a bed.)

  • Nightshade

    By that definition I’m a lesbian…gee, my boyfriend thinks I’m straight.

  • auntbea

    I believe that by “drugged or otherwise non-homeschooling” they mean that your choices are a) homeschool or b) be a child murderer.