Quoting Quiverfull: Sex Ed Classes Are Wrong?

Zsuzsanna Anderson, wife of Steve L. Anderson, from her blog Are They All Yours?!?? She is speaking of a sex ed class given to engaged young women at First Baptist Church/Hyles-Anderson College.

In all the years at the college, I only attended one class there. It was taught by Dr. Creeper Streeter himself, and open only to the engaged young college ladies getting married at the church in the near future. At the time, I of course was the married mother of three. This secretive meeting aroused enough suspicions in us that we felt it might be interesting for me to sneak in there incognito, wired with a hidden recorder and all. Through dumb luck, I got through the matron nurses checking names at the door. I mean, even the windows had been completely blacked out by heavy fabric.

The meeting was all about graphic sex ed complete with a blown up crotch shot of a naked woman, the good doctor pushing birth control pills and insisting they do not cause silent abortions (the first batch was practically free, and I am sure it had nothing to do with the accompanying pelvic exam he had to perform in order to give them out), and urging young virgins to come see him at his office before their wedding night, as they would not be able to consummate the marriage with their husband if he did not surgically assist in ridding them off their virginity first. As a married woman who had thrice given birth, the graphic and obscene nature of this “class” made me blush and shrink back into my chair. One of these days, I will need to make the tape from that meeting public. This is the same college physician that divorced his wife after getting one of the nurses pregnant, which neither cost him his position nor his clinic at the college.

How did I get off on this tangent? This was the same doctor that was to come and look over my baby John, to see if he was indeed legitimately indisposed of the nursery. We were not going to let the creep anywhere near the baby if it had come to a showdown, but we were glad that the whole thing was averted through an act of God. 

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

 

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  • texcee

    What??? This article definitely needs some elaboration regarding the circumstances!

    • http://yllommormon.blogspot.com/ aletha

      No joke! I read it twice and still have no clue what she was trying to say. Except the guy was a creep.

  • Nightshade

    If this is true one could just as easily, if not more so, point to First Baptist Church/Hyles-Anderson College as being at fault, since it apparently occurred there.

    • Brennan

      In context, that seems to be her point; this is a “side note” from her post about the nursery at FBC of Hammond, not a post about the inherent evils of sex ed classes (though, based on her ideology, she would probably call them inherently evil if asked). I finally read the complete post that spawned both this QQ and the previous one about the nursery. It contextualizes a lot and answers the obvious question that many of us had after reading the nursery post (namely, why she would continue to attend the church if it treated her children so horribly). The story seems to be that her husband wanted a bible college degree and they spent money to move to Hammond, Indiana so that he could attend Hyles-Anderson (where FBC membership seems to be mandatory). So Zsuzsanna and her husband decided that the church of Jack Schaap was messed up (absolutely no argument here). The trouble is that they seem to have extrapolated from one notoriously terrible church to deciding that any element of that church (nurseries, in this case) is automatically bad for all churches.

      • Nightshade

        I just read the entire thing too, I see what you mean. It does make more sense that way, if the events happened as described the blame should be placed on those who misused the cause of sex ed rather than on education about how one’s body is supposed to work.

        • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

          I couldn’t put the entire post up here but chose to use the two strangest parts because they read sort of like abusive fiction. Really, what’s with the sekret sqwirl sneaking in the sex ed class and putting up with such insane bullshit about your babies during church? I know her husband was attending college at Hyles-Anderson but why put yourself in a spiritually abusive situation in the first place? Makes me question her common sense. Protect your kids and go somewhere that would welcome them. As abusive at FBC was said to be it is hard to believe their policy towards children in church was that hardcore bad.

  • gimpi1

    I simply don’t believe her. “Secretive meeting,” “windows had been completely blacked out,”"surgically assist in ridding them off their virginity” indeed. None of this makes sense. Without some collaborating evidence, I can’t accept this story as anything but a lie. She offers none.

    Since it seems to serve her agenda (college is evil) I have no reason to think anything but that she made this up or radically embellished it to make her point. Kind of like Debbi Pearl’s “letters.”

    • Nightshade

      Neither do I. It reads more like a fundigelical nightmare than a factual account.

    • Independent Thinker

      I wouldn’t rule out mental illness in either case. The term hallucinations comes to mind.

    • Trollface McGee

      I think the “surgically ridding them of their virginity” might mean a hymenotomy – a perfectly legitimate medical procedure that would make a woman’s first time less painful, bleedy and might reduce her anxiety about the whole thing. I don’t see this being a bad thing, but I’m sure she does.

  • Trollface McGee

    In the years at the college I only attended one class there (ignorance is a virtue dontcha know!). It was taught by “Dr” Pedo Phil McFlashington who had this insane idea that virginal women who are about to get married should know something about you know what. I snuck in there, to the surprise of everyone, pretending I was a secret spy which sounds really cool but you need to attend more than one college class in your life to actually do it. The nurses let me in with my tape recorder and my absolutely convincing spy costume and checked my name..to make sure I wasn’t an escapee from the nearby mental hospital.

    The sex-ed meeting showed pictures of sexual organs – not actual birds or bees as is proper in such situations. The doctor also suggested women get pelvic exams because doctors get mad money giving people legitimate medical advice. In fact, when they give improper or incomplete medical advice like they’re supposed to, they have to go practise with this guy named mal, and they’re too lazy to do that – stupid doctors. Dr. Babie Chokington said terribly graphic things, like suggesting that intercourse shouldn’t hurt and that every act of PIV sex doesn’t have to result in a baby – things that made me, a mother of three, blush (because I conceived my children in a pod, the way God intended).

    How did I get off on this tangent? Well, Dr. Felonious Creeper was at the hospital which was totally creepy because why would an ob-gyn be in a hospital in an area where babies are delivered. But it was totally averted by an act of God (who miraculously made it so there was more than one doctor working at the hospital)

    • Petticoat Philosopher

      To be fair, it’s hard to read between the lines here. It is possible that this doctor was predatory–sexually ignorant, naive young women who have been taught to defer to male authority would certainly be an easy target–but that doesn’t mean her own views aren’t messed up and ridiculous. And it’s pretty standard for a woman who is planning on having sex for the first time (or who just has) to have a pelvic exam–I don’t know what she’s talking about with the “surgically assisting in ridding them of their virginity” stuff. Could she mean just using a speculum??? If so…wow.

      • Trollface McGee

        The problem is, if there was actual creepy, predatory stuff going on – I think that would written off as typical male behaviour or something.. on the other hand, pictures of reproductive anatomy in a sex ed class… scandalous!
        And I am confused about the “ridding of virginity,” though I have a very hard time believing that there’s some sort of wild deflowering party going on at a planned church event.
        I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a speculum.. I’ve heard people saying that using a tampon can make you lose your virginity.

      • Angela

        There is a relatively rare condition where the hymen is so thick that it is not torn or stretched through intercourse and it needs to be surgically cut. This was actually the case for Freud’s wife and they were reportedly unable to consummate the marriage on their honeymoon. For awhile there was a trend (1970′s-80′s I think) for prospective virginal brides to have a doctor perforate the hymen before the wedding to make their first time less painful and to circumvent problems. This is only rarely done now, but I imagine it’s what she was referring to.

    • Independent Thinker

      Apparently “Dr” Pedo Phil McFlashington even had the nerve to put up black out curtains to reduce the glare on the screen at the front of the class he used to project these vile images of female organs.

    • Saraquill

      Your version is much more comprehensible than Ms. Anderson’s.

    • Baby_Raptor

      Thank you for the translation.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Starting to wonder if there’s any lie this woman won’t tell.

    Birth control does not cause abortion. And a…The name is escaping me, a check-up on your reproductive parts…That check-up is necessary for women going on birth control. It’s done to check for certain health risks.

  • Dr Nic

    “One of these days, I will need to make the tape from that meeting public.”

    Ah yes, the old ‘this secret evidence I have but I won’t show you completely supports my allegations’ line. Pull the other one.


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