Maybe The System, Itself, Is The Problem…

by Living Liminal cross posted from her blog Living LiminalI came across this quote today and I couldn't help but think of the 'church' system I've encountered: "Life is full of examples of systems that work. When you find yourself in a situation where you can't make headway towards solving a problem, consider whether you're addressing the problem at its origin... What part of the system isn't working? ...Too often we see a bad result and we mistake it for the problem. The result may be just a byproduct of a system that's not functioning, a flashing error warning to let you know that something has to change." - Henry Cloud … [Read more...]

Fundraiser For Vyckie Garrison’s Daughter Chasse

Information on a fundraiser to help out NLQ Founder Vykie Garrison's daughter Chasse from Go Fund Me: … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 3 – I Can’t Control Her So Should I Dump Her?

by Michael Pearl from No Greater Joy magazine - Should the Relationship Move Forward?Editor's note: In this last bit Michael throws shade at the parents for allowing these 'unsaved trash' kids to keep coming over without insisting they become saved after a visit or two. Salvation or no teevee? Is that even slightly realistic or normal? Maybe these people are providing a safe place for these kids to hang out and escape whatever negative is happening in their lives? … [Read more...]

Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – I’m Ready to Date But Don’t Know Where to Begin?

Another installment of giving better answers to the questions asked at Debi Pearl’s site message board for the book ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’. Many young ladies ask questions on all sorts of different subjects brought up by the book. There was just one big problem, many of the answers stray into either the outright bad and emotionally unhealthy to dangerous. Yes, typical Debi Pearl borderline abusive. Here’s what we’re going to be doing here at NLQ. Every week, once or twice a week, I’ll be posting up one of the questions from the message board and ask you, our readers, to answer that poor soul’s question in a way that is logical,  rational and the best possible solution, in other words 1 … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 2 – I Can’t Control Her So Should I Dump Her?

by Michael Pearl from No Greater Joy magazine Should the Relationship Move Forward?Editor's note: And so Michael answers yesterday's 'letter'  Here's what I do not get about either the letter or Michael Pearl's reply to it -- who's to say that her parents allowing these kids to hang out at their home aren't doing the will of God by showing hospitality? How does he know that his female friend isn't witnessing to these young men? Funny how everything is always assumed to be bad in Pearl World. … [Read more...]

Part 2 – Churches That Abuse, Why Good People Do Bad Things and Why Bad People Do Bad Things

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Life and Times of Bruce GerencserIn the first part of this post I dealt with Churches That Abuse: Why Bad people do Bad things. I wrote: Churches attract all kinds of people with varying motivations for being a part of a particular religion. I spent fifty years in the Independent Baptist/Non-Denominational/Evangelical church. When it comes … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 1 – I Can’t Control Her So Should I Dump Her?

by Michael Pearl from No Greater Joy magazine - Should the Relationship Move Forward?Editor's note: Starting with another Pearl letter. Can you guess how Michael is going to answer this one? After years of quoting Mr. Pearl I can say that he is very predictable. Real letter or another Pearl invention? … [Read more...]

It’s Not That Complicated: Part 3 Chapter 2

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids's just 1.5 pages.  I can do this.  I can do this.Overarching Theme: Women can cause one man to act totally different! See how David responded to Abigail and Bathsheba. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Spanking ‘Strong-Willed’ Children?

by Jessica Smartt of Smartter Every Day - Your Kids Want You to Discipline ThemEditor's note: While I would agree with her that you must reward good behavior and discourage bad behavior that's as far as it goes. Physical punishment - spanking - should have no place in in emotionally healthy homes no matter what an ancient book by James Dobson says. It only teaches a child that those who are bigger and stronger can inflict violence upon them, that violence is a legitimate way to settle things. There are so much better parenting options out there, such as the Love and Logic series, that do not involve beating your precious child! … [Read more...]

The Young Turks’ Commentary: Use the Quiver to Burst the High Demand Bubble

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Under Much GraceAll images by Cindy Kunsman from Under Much Grace used with permission Here's another twist on the Apple Meme Theme resulting from Vyckie Garrison's recent Raw Story article and Cenk Uygur's commentary on it (see video below).Most Christians have likely heard the words from Psalm 127 which were borrowed to describe the Evangelical Christian “Quiverfull Movement” (QF) and will recognize that compares families to an archer who is prepared for battle: “As arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full of them.”  … [Read more...]