Quoting Quiverfull: Justifying Saying Words That Hurt Others?

by Doug Wilson of Blog and Mablog - Whoa and GiddyupEditor's note: Whenever I see fundamentalists or evangelical cultural enforcers discussing 'speaking the truth' at the same time as 'taming the tongue' I know it's coded language for 'put down and verbally abuse anyone not in our personal cult.' I wish these types would understand just how unkind and hateful they come across when they are 'speaking the truth' to those they don't agree with. The examples he makes here are all positive ones, but we all know what the likely language towards others really is and it isn't that kind. … [Read more...]

Examining ATI Wisdom Booklets: Booklet 2 – Breathing and Speech

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideAll images from When Cows and Kids Collide.This is part four in Mel's dissection of Bill Gothard's ATI Wisdom Booklets, the educational system used by TLCs Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and many others in Quiverfull to educate their children. Mel exposes how fundamentally flawed much of the information is in the teaching materials. This post is 7 pages long.I get a strange feeling of unease every time I type "ATI" and "medical" in the same sentence.  I think this is because the medical section is quite strange.  This section, for example, manages to be very detailed without necessarily teaching information well. … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: No Such Thing as Marital Rape?

by Larry Solomon from Biblical Gender Roles - Do Christian Wives Have to Submit to Bondage and Sadomasochistic Requests From Their Husbands?Editor's note: Not linking directly to this but it is the upper most post on Biblical Gender Roles right now. Larry spends most of the blog post speaking about how he thinks BDSM is sick and as perverted as he thinks homosexuality is. But really the decision to engage in BDSM and other sexual acts is strictly between the participants and again, it involves mutual consent. But then he starts making the case that there is no such thing as marital rape. He thinks it is just a case of physical abuse. Wonder what he'd think about it if the wife was … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 2 – You Are Going Against God?

by Lori Alexander from Always Learning - Selfishly Focused Upon ThemselvesEditor's note: Again I ask - who died and made Lori God's Right Hand? The teaching of young women by older women as talking about in the Bible happens best one on one in the churches, not shouting into the wind of the internet. Again she makes claims about studies citing various things without actually ever giving names of those studies or links. Sort of like Donald Trump when he floats a lie by starting with 'I heard'....If there are studies that prove what she's saying is true then the only way we can take her claims seriously is if she cites those studies. … [Read more...]

Questioning the Pearls: Sleep Overs?

For well over a year we’ve been running a second Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ on Sundays, filled with questions by young ladies trying to get ready for marriage. Since we’ve run through many of the questions on their site it’s time to shift Sundays to something else, like perhaps examining the cornucopia of probably fake emails and questions that Michael and Debi Pearl of No Greater Joy post on their website and the possibly poisonous answers they give. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 1 – You Are Going Against God?

by Lori Alexander from Always Learning - Selfishly Focused Upon ThemselvesEditor's note: I think after the second part of this publishes tomorrow morning that we're not going to be quoting Lori for awhile. She goes into 'True Christian' martyrbating mode when we do. I have no wish to inflate her ego/increase her self-martyrdom. Here she's speaking about a few couples that are not going to be doing family the way she personally approves. Tone deaf ridiculousness over someone planning to be a physician, like it's a selfish thing when really it's one of the most unselfish pursuits you can engage in, helping others. The doctors I've know are mostly selfless individuals consumed with helping … [Read more...]

The Johnson Amendment: I Agree With Donald Trump

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Life and Times of BruceEditor's note: While the Johnson Amendment does not directly affect the entire Quiverfull movement it is something that many Quiverfull churches routinely violate. In our old church the pastor preached politics directly from the pulpit and any time a vote came up you could count on there being Intercessors for America voting guides sitting on every chair in the sanctuary in direct violation of the Johnson Amendment and the US tax code. Many so-called Christian ministries like IfA and the Family Research Counsel are nothing more than political action groups disguised as ministries who routinely break tax law without … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Your Bad Mood is Sin?

by Jon Bloom at John Piper's Desiring God - Lay Aside the Weight of MoodinessEditor's note: More thought and emotion control nonsense from the religious right. They discount things such as mental illness but later allows for things that beset only women; periods, pregnancy and childbirth as possible reasons you might have fluctuating moods. It's just not that simple or formulaic. Humans are complex with a myriad of reasons their moods might not be always up. It's not sin to be sad, or angry, or feeling deflated, it happens to everyone. … [Read more...]

What are you Doing? Part 1 Chapter 10 – Everyone Still Just Wants to Smush Genitalia Together?

by Suzanne TitkemeyerHere we are again, diving into Vaughn Ohlman's thin tome on the subject of how courtship just makes people sin sexually. To hear him tell it in this particular chapter most everyone, even good kids at church, are just a small step from turning into horny sailors with a pocketful of money in Amsterdam or Hamburg's red light districts. Orgies ahoy!This was a chapter too far for me on my beach week. The waters off Virginia Beach were mostly closed except for one day due to high bacterial levels. Had I broke down and read this chapter last week I would have added to the bacterial load, I would thrown up in the water like some land lubber suffering from seasickness … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Young Women Waste Time?

by Lori Alexander from Always Learning - Wasting Time on Frivolous PursuitsEditor's note: This is a pretty ugly piece, conflating all young women with the young widows of Paul's time in 1 Timothy 5:13. which isn't even about young wives and mothers. Why is it that these older women female cultural enforcers always go to the ridiculous trope of women sitting around eating bon bons and watching soap operas all day as what most women do? It's insulting, old fashioned and not true for most. Plus most mental health professionals will tell you that taking  a small sliver of time each day to recharge is an important part of staying emotionally and mentally healthy. Life for women in the CPM is … [Read more...]