Quoting Quiverfull: Control Your Thoughts and Get a Crown?

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by Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies - Are You Wearing Your Golden Crown?Editor's note: Another control your thoughts or else piece from Nancy. The different in this one is that she promised a golden crown if you do so, not the usual blaming and shaming routine with threats of all the awful things that will happen if you don't control your negative thoughts. … [Read more...]

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Created To Need A Help Meet – Part 6: Mr. Visionary (Look At Porn And Your Kids Will Die!)

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by Aletha cross posted from her blog Yllom Mormonpp 83-84We are still talking about Visionaries. In fact, today we are talking about idle Visionaries. And King David! The weird thing is, Michael never says David was a Visionary. I keep thinking of what I know about his story, and I would categorize him more as a Command man, if I had to choose. Maybe a bit of steady thrown in, but not really a Visionary. But let's see where Michael goes with this. … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: Christianity and Divorce?

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by an anonymous letter writer asking Michael Pearl's advice on divorce and remarriage at No Greater Joy - Divorce and RemarriageEditor's note: This is a bit unusual of a posting. Instead of directly quoting Michael Pearl on some topic he's bloviating on and putting others down in I'm posting the sad letter his ministry received by someone who sounds like they need help. This is what can happen when you try to legalistically try to follow every word in the Bible. Michael does not directly answer her question on if her marriage is adultery. Instead he tries to sell her his new book being published on Nov. 1, 2015 on divorce and remarriage, which is why I'm not posting his reply to her … [Read more...]

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The Genesis of Eternal Subordinationism Part 3 of Tim Keller on Sex

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by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from her blog Under Much GraceHaving discussed this issue privately with Shirley Taylor, and as a continuation of this theme and topic, I include it here as part of our dialogue.  In a post that will follow in a close to this theme, I will include Shirley's summary statements concerning this theology and what those who find it problematic can do.  Before hand, I will delve into the connection between holiness and marriage in subsequent post.  It's all so much to take in because it is so convoluted, and the Calvinist learning curve is steep. … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: Infidelity Is The Wife’s Fault?

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Biblical Gender Roles from Biblical Gender Roles.com - Five Reasons Josh Duggar and Other Christian Mean Fall Into Sexual ImmoralityEditor's note: We knew this would be one of the 'go to' reasons by BGR, the wife not giving out the sex and kind of sex that the man is supposedly hard-wired by God to desire. That's sort of like blaming a head of lettuce when you're dieting, you slip and eat a doughnut. It's not the head of lettuce's fault, it's yours for not controlling your unhealthy desires. Just glad he doesn't say it's right to cheat when you're not getting the amount and type of sex you want. … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: Don’t Trust Your Own Feelings?

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by C. S. Lewis as quoted by Vaughn Ohlman at True Love Doesn't WaitEditor's note: Of course we know that Vaughn is sharing this paragraph for a two fold purpose. 1) To claim that feelings of love have no place in the decision of whom to marry and 2) to make that fundamentalist claim that feelings are not important at all, that you have to deny them. We all know what this type of emotional denial and thought crimes leads straight to. It's never mentally healthy to deny your own thoughts and emotions. … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: Josh Duggar Would Not Have Strayed If He Had Been Polygamist?

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by Biblical Gender Roles from Biblical Gender Roles.com = Five Reasons Josh Duggar and Other Christian Men Fall Into Sexual ImmoralityEditor's note: While this piece starts off with something I can agree with, that teenagers must have healthy sexual outlets such as masturbation and be taught that having sexual thoughts and feelings are a normal part of life it then goes into some rather weird places. Like Polygamy. BGR claims that men are hard wired to be polygamists.  Polygamy is the answer to cheating he seems to be saying. … [Read more...]

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The Bait and Switch Evangelistic Methods of Evangelicals

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by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser(Editor's note: People sometimes ask here how we've gotten hornswoggled into being Quiverfull or joining unhealthy churches. I think for some of us it starts with someone trying to do a friendship bait and switch conversion 'Come to Jesus' and sort of snowballs from there. Bruce Gerencser breaks it down in this article of how that works)On a previous iteration of this blog, a fundamentalist Christian by the name of Harold commented on The Jonathan Nichols Story:Growing up Gay in the IFB Church  post. This post is an excerpt of Jonathan’s story about being raised in the Newark Baptist Temple, the church … [Read more...]

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Quoting Quiverfull: Women Be Silent In Church Matters?

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by Tim Bayly from The Bayly Blog - Rachel Miller and Valerie Hobbs: Where is the Apostle Paul When We Need Him?Editor's note: Tim Bayly is having what sounds like a ridiculous foot-stomping whiny little hissy fit over the fact that women - W-O-M-E-N - have opinions, options and leadership positions in churches over men. What is it about these weak Christian men that the moment a woman has an opinion they act like someone is trying to cut their penises off with a dull meat cleaver? It does not say anything positive about their shaky grasp of masculinity. Relax, Tim, women aren't out to 'get' you. What did these two women do to invoke the petty behavior of Tim Bayly? Why they openly … [Read more...]

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Part 3: Where in the World is Josh Duggar?

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There's a lot of strange speculation over Josh Duggar around the media so instead of putting up a post for each one I'm combining all of them into one. Some of these are silly.Various media outlets are still saying that Josh is at Reformers Unanimous in Rockford, Illinois without there being any real evidence that Josh is there. Earlier that same evening the Duggar plane also visited Doug Phillip's stomping grounds of San Antonio, Texas. But some internet commenters at gossip site Perez Hilton are claiming that there have been sightings of Josh in Rockford at RU.  Someone there is taking the name of the possible rehab I came up with for Vyckie's Raw Story article as the gospel truth. We … [Read more...]

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