How You Like Them Apples?

Last night's 'The Young Turks' piece on Vyckie Garrison's Raw Story piece on Let Them Marry website Apple meme. Cenk Uygur mentions NLQ and Suzanne Titkemeyer at the very end of the piece after discussion on Vaughn Ohlman and his site.  Even if Cenk got many of his assumptions and facts very wrong. Thankfully his terrible mistakes only make the theology of the Christian Patriarchy Movement seem very creepy. … [Read more...]

More on the Creepy Apple Analogy

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Under Much GraceImages by Cindy Kunsman for Under Much Grace unless so noted. Used with permissionOver the weekend, I received an email from Vyckie Garrison of No Longer Quivering. She asked Suzanne “Calulu” Titkemeyer and me to each take a look at a meme published on a patriarchal website as she prepared to write a short article about it. Raw Story published it yesterday while many other sites took note of it as well. Some of the funnier elements, the ironic apple parallels to the Quiverfull belief system, and what almost qualifies as arranged marriage didn't make the final cut, so I thought I'd include them here. … [Read more...]

Women Are NOT Like Apples!

Women Are NOT Like Apples!by Suzanne Titkemeyer cross posted from her blog Every Breaking WaveEditor's note: Since I knew that Vyckie Garrison was writing a piece for Raw Story about Vaughn Ohlman's apple parable and she'd be focusing on the patriarchy and dehumanizing aspects of it I thought I'd look at why his analogy is seriously flawed and misinformed. I grow apples as a hobby in my garden and it is not at all like Vaughn likes to think it is. Glorious clean romanticizing of something he knows nothing of. Treating your girls like apples isn't a good idea..This was also written before it was pointed out to me that the meme was actually created by Von Ohlman's writing partner Jeff … [Read more...]

Christian Conservatives Push Child Marriage With Creepy Meme Comparing Girls to Apples

by Vyckie Garrison NLQ Founder at Raw Story “Girls are like apples on trees. Their fathers are the farmers, whose job is to care for them. He must protect his apples from pests and disease. He must guard them against thieves who may pick his apples prematurely. Neither those at the top nor those at the bottom can help their location. But, when each reaches peak ripeness, it is the farmer’s job to harvest that fruit and give it to whom he will, to those in need. So there is nothing wrong with the apples still on the tree and nothing wrong with the boys who seek them. But it is the farmer’s duty to provide for both, in due season.” … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Having an Education and a Job Makes Marriage Less Likely and Divorce More Likely?

by Larry Solomon from Biblical Gender Roles - Why Do Older Men Go Out With Younger Women? and as always linked safely though Do Not Link.comEditor's note: This is pulled from another of his long articles that doesn't even bother to answer the question in the title. It seems to be a self-rationalization for marrying under educated young women without a career and calling it 'Godly'. He manages to throw in a soupcon of racism against African Americans in this piece too. … [Read more...]

It’s Not That Complicated: Part 2 Chapter 2

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids CollideThe third and fourth themes in this chapter are pretty straightforward.  The problem is that the Botkin Sisters decided to try and support their themes from the Bible - and the results are pretty funny.   The post got longer than I expected and I don't want to short the fourth theme, so this will be divided into three parts.Overarching Theme:Women in the Bible supported the men around them; women were never leaders. "In the Bible, we see men leading the charge (for good or for evil), and women following, responding, supporting, and enabling (for good or for evil).  Even the women who weren't wives stepped into … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Abused Wives Must Never Divorce?

by Pastor Stephen Kim from NYC Pastor.com - Divorce and RemarriageEditor's note: We all know that the Pearls think the way to handle an abusive spouse is to stay married to him, but many other pastors believe that divorce in the case of abuse is not wrong. And then there are pastors like Pastor Kim that hold you have to stay with your abuser no matter what because Bible. Recipe for disaster and more abuse. Emphasis mine below … [Read more...]

Socialization Isn’t a Freaking Joke

by Samantha Field cross posted from her blog Samantha P. Field.comIf you’ve been around homeschooling culture for any length of time, you’re probably familiar with how they tend to make fun of “socialization.” When I was growing up as a homeschooled kid, I had “20 Snappy Comebacks” prepared in case I overheard someone asking “b-but but what about socialization?!” I’d been taught– and was firmly convinced– that when people asked about socialization it sprang from a place of ignorance about homeschooling. When you homeschool, I believed, you’re not just limited to interact with people from your grade level, but with children and adults of all ages. Through church (and, theoretically, co-ops … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Real Men Hate Paying Taxes and Hate Feminism, Gays and the Poor?

by Jacob Bass as quoted by Ladies Against Feminism - The Dying Breed of Real MenEditor's  note: One thing that stands out harshly in Quiverfull, Fundamentalism and Evangelicals circles is the need to constantly define what is 'manly' or 'masculine' This happens while deliberately denigrating feminists, non-heterosexuals and those poor that receive benefits from others. This piece hits all those marks. Why do you think it is that men in this movement are so obsessed with defining manhood? Could it be because they aren't that 'manly' in the first place? … [Read more...]

Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – How To Handle Probation Husband?

Another installment of giving better answers to the questions asked at Debi Pearl’s site message board for the book ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’. Many young ladies ask questions on all sorts of different subjects brought up by the book. There was just one big problem, many of the answers stray into either the outright bad and emotionally unhealthy to dangerous. Yes, typical Debi Pearl borderline abusive. Here’s what we’re going to be doing here at NLQ. Every week, once or twice a week, I’ll be posting up one of the questions from the message board and ask you, our readers, to answer that poor soul’s question in a way that is logical,  rational and the best possible solution, in other words 1 … [Read more...]


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