The Most Blaring Contradiction of Them All

by Cindy Foster cross posted from her blog Finding Fundamental Recently, I read a poignantly and transparently written post at ‘Stuff Fundies Like’ titled “Pining for the Leeks and Garlic”.  Anyone with knowledge of the Old Testament accounts of Moses and the Children of Israel’s 40 year wilderness journey will immediately recognize the title’s significance.   I’ve followed SFL for quite some time finding the irreverent sarcasm to be perfectly refreshing for those times when I need to laugh at the stupid stuff.  But this one took me back to an emotional place I hadn’t visited in a go Recently od, long while.  … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Even if He Abuses You He Still Owns You?

by Larry Solomon of Biblical Gender Roles - Does the Bible Teach the Concept of Human Property? as always linked through Do Not Link.comEditor's note: And he continues on to assert that you as the woman have to accept whatever treatment a man doles out, even the abusive stuff, because he owns you. Says it's wrong, but that it does not cancel out the fact that you are owned. … [Read more...]

Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – How Do I Say No?

Another installment of giving better answers to the questions asked at Debi Pearl’s site message board for the book ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’. Many young ladies ask questions on all sorts of different subjects brought up by the book. There was just one big problem, many of the answers stray into either the outright bad and emotionally unhealthy to dangerous. Yes, typical Debi Pearl borderline abusive. Here’s what we’re going to be doing here at NLQ. Every week, once or twice a week, I’ll be posting up one of the questions from the message board and ask you, our readers, to answer that poor soul’s question in a way that is logical,  rational and the best possible solution, in other words 1 … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Men Literally Own Women?

by Larry Solomon from Biblical Gender Roles - Does the Bible Teach the Concept of "Human Property" and as always linked safely through Do Not LinkEditor's note: So Larry goes to a particularly scary place in this bit, claiming all the ways that women are owned by men. How is this not considered human slavery? … [Read more...]

Churches That Abuse: Part 1 Why Good People Do Bad Things and why Bad People Do Bad Things

by Bruce Gerencser cross posted from his blog The Life and Times of Bruce GerencserChurches attract all kinds of people with varying motivations for being a part of a particular religion. I spent fifty years in the Independent Baptist/Non-Denominational/Evangelical church. When it comes to other religions, I only know what I read in the media. The experiences and observations I share in this post come from the fifty years I spent in those churches, first as a parishioner, and later as a pastor. I spent twenty-five years in the pastorate, pastoring churches in Ohio, Michigan, and Texas. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Nancy Campbell Endorses Ted Cruz?

by Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies - The Difference...One Needs GodEditor's note: I thought that ministries and charities that are listed as 'non-profits' with the IRS are not supposed to promote political candidates lest they lose their tax exempt status? Clearly Nancy has decided to flout that law and support the one candidate that would likely try to make 'Quiverfull' the law of the land. … [Read more...]

Created To Need A Help Meet: Part 2 What Saith The Scriptures (Cleanse Your Wife With Your Words)

by Aletha cross posted from her blog Yllom Mormonpp 147-150We are finishing up the chapter on Bible verses. Just a few more to get through! What I find most annoying about this section is the part where Michael just gives a bunch of verses that are vaguely connected to the point he's trying to make, but doesn't explain them. It feels like he's a kid saying "My dad said so, it's true!" without really understanding what is actually being said. … [Read more...]

Quoting Quiverfull: Low Hanging Fruit and Delaying Marriage?

by Jeff Woodward from Let Them Marry - Girls Are Like ApplesEditor's note: Can you stand any more belabored apple puns? This is written by the guy at Vaughn Ohlman's site that created the whole girls are like apples meme in response to some other girls and apples meme floating around Facebook. While he makes some good points if you ignore the fact that he seems to think that girls are inanimate objects to use like apples, his main point is that too many apples languish unpicked and untasted on the tree, just like young people have stopped marrying so young. … [Read more...]

How You Like Them Apples?

Last night's 'The Young Turks' piece on Vyckie Garrison's Raw Story piece on Let Them Marry website Apple meme. Cenk Uygur mentions NLQ and Suzanne Titkemeyer at the very end of the piece after discussion on Vaughn Ohlman and his site.  Even if Cenk got many of his assumptions and facts very wrong. Thankfully his terrible mistakes only make the theology of the Christian Patriarchy Movement seem very creepy. … [Read more...]

More on the Creepy Apple Analogy

by Cindy Kunsman cross posted from Under Much GraceImages by Cindy Kunsman for Under Much Grace unless so noted. Used with permissionOver the weekend, I received an email from Vyckie Garrison of No Longer Quivering. She asked Suzanne “Calulu” Titkemeyer and me to each take a look at a meme published on a patriarchal website as she prepared to write a short article about it. Raw Story published it yesterday while many other sites took note of it as well. Some of the funnier elements, the ironic apple parallels to the Quiverfull belief system, and what almost qualifies as arranged marriage didn't make the final cut, so I thought I'd include them here. … [Read more...]