The sign says “Have a safe holiday season”. But you’d think it said “I toss Christians into the Sun”, judging from the butt hurt coming out of this self identified ‘agnostic’ also stationed at Travis AFB (verified) who hated the signs.
“I think it’s more than a bit funny that you **NEED** christianity in order to define your faith (and yes, atheism is a faith). Nothing more than an asterisk on the end of Christianity. What’s the point? I am an agnostic…you’re all dumb. Should have just put a big blank sign up there. But that would have been too witty for the likes of most of you.”
… So making a blank sign doesn’t make fun of the religious signs? Do you think you’re the first one to come up with that? Atheist groups hand out blank pamphlets all the time. And then people say we’re being offensive or dumb…
Are you aware that atheism is a superset of agnosticism? Rarely ever are the terms mutually exclusive. I’m an atheist (without religion) and an agnostic (without knowledge of the existence of god). Many others are also anti-theist, humanist, apatheist, etc. You don’t have to just ‘tick one box’.
As for the lights and the “twice desecrated sign” — I am not an athiest (i tend to be a bit agnostic), but it has been noted by MANY people around that the athiest sign was the ONLY display that mocked all the others (your flying spaghetti monster mocks all faith). This is against EO regulations…frankly I think you made a mockery of your cause by putting that on your sign. I am surprised it hasn’t already come down.
As for SSgt Rawlings – he probably would have gotten the same response had he spoken with leadership. You guys haven’t really done much to help the situation at all.
The Nativity Scene mocks those who don’t believe it is true. Most forms of Christianity, like most religions, claim to be the only truth – and further claim that non-believers will be tortured in gruesome manners. Did you know that the entire concept of the Flying Spaghetti Monster represents agnosticism? (usage: “I can’t prove that god didn’t create the universe, but you can’t prove that god isn’t a Flying Spaghetti Monster.”)
Are you aware that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is compatible with other religions? My dad calls himself ‘pastafarian’ while at the same time never identifying as an atheist. But I do agree that in general, it can be considered parody. That doesn’t make it any less meaningful to us.
I was a creationist, and it was quite difficult to deal with such an easily defeated world-view. Having a fun parody like the FSM really helped me replace humiliation with humor. I’m not sure if you realize that the Flying Spaghetti Monster began as a specific type of Russel’s Teapot aimed at creationism.
I’m surprised that you call people you disagree with ‘dumb’, and are offended by spaghetti and meatballs. Pro-tip: A-t-h-e-i-s-t.
By the way, the problem is that this is all completely inappropriate to begin with. When the government allows one point of view to make a statement, they literally must allow all other viewpoints. Ours is harmless compared to the potential Satanist sign that legally must also be allowed up.
Do you really think that SSgt Rawlings didn’t approach his leadership (repeatedly) to make this happen? As the Military Director for American Atheists, I have repeatedly said that all displays should be removed. But we don’t have a time machine. Your problem lies with the instigators, the Nativity Scene that crossed the line to begin with.