Archbishop Martin told to butt out of Irish abortion debate

Archbishop Martin told to butt out of Irish abortion debate October 11, 2016

Fine Gael parliamentarian Kate O’Connell has told Archbishop Eamon Martin, above, the Catholic Church Primate of Ireland, to keep his nose out of the country’s current debate on abortion.
O’Connell, according to this report, said:

I don’t see why Archbishop Martin should be getting involved in women’s health issues. It is the same as asking my four-year-old.

O’Connell  hit out at the Archbishop’s calls for politicians to remember their faith in their dealings with the 1983 abortion amendment.
Calling for the eighth amendment to be retained, he suggested that to support abortion is not in keeping with the fundamental teaching of the Church, and that the taking of a life, at whatever stage, is:

Gravely, morally wrong.

O’Connell rejected his comments.

I don’t see why the archbishop’s views are in anyway relevant.

Kate O’Connell
Kate O’Connell
She added that the Church should not have any role in deciding or shaping policy which relates to the health of women.

They [the Church] are entitled to their opinion, but I don’t put any weight in them. I don’t see what involvement the Catholic Church should have in women’s health issues.

A pro-choice protester in Ireland
A pro-choice protester in Ireland

Anti Austerity Alliance TD Paul Murphy said the archbishop’s comments show exactly why a separation of Church and State is so badly needed.

We as legislators should not be following the preachings of leaders of faith, in this case the leader of the Catholic Church.

Children’s Minister Katherine Zappone, the only minister who took part in the pro-choice march on September 24, said she had no problem with politicians being influenced by their religious values.

I have no difficulty with politicians being influenced and shaped drawing on their religious beliefs or their traditions and the values that they hold.
Secondly, I think it’s absolutely clear to everyone that we live in a Republic, so when we make decisions about our Constitution, those are decisions that we need to keep in mind that is true and good for all of our citizens and residents.

Independent senator Rónán Mullen said everyone, no matter their station, has an equal right to express their views on important civic issues.

Everybody, religious or otherwise, has the equal right to argue from their heart.

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  • AgentCormac

    ‘Everybody, religious or otherwise, has the equal right to argue from their heart.’
    Absolutely right. However, the difference here being that as Catholic Church Primate of Ireland, Eamon Martin isn’t just arguing from his heart, he is seeking to assert his will by reminding those who have been indoctrinated by his cult that they should toe the party line. By calling on politicians to ‘remember their faith’, he is using a thinly veiled form of threat to influence the democratic process.

  • The clergy of Ireland feel free to be involved in politics because they welcome politicians who determine the beliefs and actions of clergy. They welcome state influence in their religion.
    Now, that is a lie, isn’t it. The respect and equality and tolerance, these always only go one way. Religion wants all and offers little to nothing.

  • bill

    Go for it … Break free from the shackles of the catholic church. They cause nothing but ignorance intolerance suffering strife and division. Time to kill off the papal interference. Kill it dead.

  • Abortion, like the death penalty, is obviously highly immoral. This is precisely why I fully approve of both.

  • Newspaniard

    I still don’t see why the Ulster Government don’t have the same laws on everything, including abortion, that the UK mainland does. Surely it should be one law for all? As to those in Eire, they still vote murderers in as their political representatives so I have little interest or respect for their laws anyway.

  • Broga

    So celibate priests, living sexually barren lives, detached from the practical realities of what pregnancy entails want to determine how women should behave regarding their own bodies. Priests are sexually warped, emotionally stunted and bitter at what has been denied them by their delusional church.
    A church, infested with paedophiles, is unlikely to be a source of sensible advice regarding pregnancy and its consequences.

  • L.Long

    The church HAS TOO BE INVOLVED in women’s health issues!!! The preachers KNOW their gawd is a powerless useless pile of BS, so they need the gov’mint to litigate their BS morals!!! It is also happening many places, look how the cowards in the ‘merican gov’mint wont slap down the catlick hospitals for incompetent medical practice!!!

  • Vanity Unfair

    Archbishop Eamon Martin
    Who voted him into that position?
    If he wants to influence legislation he should stand for election to the Irish parliament. That is how a democracy is supposed to work.

  • Broga

    Vanity Unfair : We have 26 unelected bishops in the House of Lords pushing their primitive superstitions and getting £300 a day from our taxes.

  • Lucy

    So there was a bishop giving a talk about married life. He went on, as they do. As the congregation filed out, an old Irish lady was heard to say. ‘I wish I knew so little about the subject.

  • Robster

    Aren’t we all primates? Why is a primate afflicted with the Vaticon of any special value?

  • The human condition can be considered a dreadful one. Old age, illness, pain, and death. Many people need religion so as to give themselves a reason for living; to give themselves hope; to make sense of the world; to control threatening reality; to make sense of themselves; from fear of death; from the instinct for self-preservation; and from self-interest. It is in the nature of the ego to desire to exist eternally. And thus it will always be. What a load of shite.

  • Abortion is immoral. How could it not be? Still, abortion is often necessary, and should never be made illegal, despite the objections to it from the religious.

  • L.Long

    MFR…Abortion is immoral?!?!? Really how do you determine that?? I say it is totally moral! actually all morals are determined by the person for themselves, so if you think it is immoral then make sure you don’t get one, even if you will die, I would not want you to violate your morals. But the fact you are NOT pushing YOUR morals onto others makes you 1000000x better then any religion!!!

  • Angela_K

    Methinks MFR is a chap who wishes to dictate what women can and cannot do with their bodies. As L.Long says above, don’t like abortion, don’t have one; don’t like “gay marriage” don’t have one.

  • How do you make a liberal or a left-winger dismiss you, despise you, hate you, or even consider you to be insane? The answer to this is very simple. Dare to disagree with him (or her). This method always works.
    * * * *
    The day of the Freethinker echo chamber has now come to an end.

  • Most of those posting comments here would not wish to have been aborted. Also, the probability of any individual coming into existence are trillions and trillions to one. If your parents had never met…..if two individuals had not met in a market square 800 years ago…..if two mammals had not reproduced 90 million years ago….if an amoeba had not divided itself a billion years ago….and so on infinitely. Abortion is unjust and cruel. Nevertheless, I approve of it.

  • Vanity Unfair

    To Broga:
    I know.
    I have complained.
    It does not affect the argument.