Love letter created to counter 'Punish a Muslim Day' missive

Love letter created to counter 'Punish a Muslim Day' missive March 18, 2018

Muslim Engagement and Development, a national charity promoting political and social engagement and countering Islamophobia in the UK is circulating a “Love a Muslim Day” letter in a bid to counter one that incites violence towards Muslims.
While the original “Punish a Muslim Day Letter” offered “rewards” for acts of abuse and violence – burning or bombing a mosque will earn one 1,000 points – the charity’s letter, created by MEND’s Shahab Adris says:

They have loved you. They have made you so many curries and kebabs. They created so much love between people.
How will you repay this? Are you like a normal person like the vast majority of the population?
Normal people are usually too shy to show any appreciation, and as a result, they are allowing the majority of Europe and the rest of the world to become unappreciative of the fact that Muslims contribute billions of pounds to our countries.
Thousands of doctors heal the sick, thousands of teachers educate our children and many more contribute to politics, the media, the judiciary and to our democracies (even though some don’t function as well as they should).
Only you can show your appreciation, only you have the power. Don’t be a normal person. Be a special person. Show your love.

Ten points are offered for smiling at a Muslim, 50 points for throwing flowers on a Muslim (lots of different coloured ones) and a whopping 2,500 points for buying a Hajj package for a Muslim family – a lifetime trip to Mecca.
A spokesman for Avon and Somerset police said of the original letters:

We’re aware of reports of potentially malicious communications sent to individuals elsewhere in the UK. We’d like to reassure the public there is no cause for concern and there have been no reports of these potentially malicious communications being received in our area.
However we’re liaising with investigators and monitoring the situation as a precaution.
Anyone with any concerns about a communication they may have received should report this to us by calling 101 or using our online reporting form.

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  • andym

    Well-intentioned, but as flawed as the original. Still defining people by their religion, and then assuming that that makes them part of a homogenous group.

  • Gaurav Tyagi
  • Daz

    What andym said.
    Plus, I’m not sure I like the “they are useful therefore you should appreciate them” approach. I’d prefer a more straightforward “they are human beings.”
    That said, it is far far better than leaving the hate messages completely unchallenged.
    *Reads comment by bigoted moron.*
    *Bites lip*

  • John the Drunkard

    ‘lifetime trip to Mecca’…? The Haj is a ONETIME requirement for Muslims. Mecca would be mighty crowded otherwise.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @Daz “*Reads comment by bigoted moron.*
    *Bites lip*”. If you mean me by this, then let me tell you I have more insight plus far more courage and guts than you so, go and host Muslims in your house for this ‘love a Muslim day’

  • Daz

    “go and host Muslims in your house for this ‘love a Muslim day'”

    I don’t need to. I was drinking with some just the other day.

    “then let me tell you I have more insight plus far more courage and guts than you”

    Your insight so far seems to consist of a hasty generalisation fallacy which any schoolchild could spot in seconds. As to “courage and guts”:
    1: You don’t know me, so I have no idea how you made the comparison.
    2: Even if true, so what? The courageousness of an action bears no relation to the morality of that action.
    I won’t be replying to your comments again in this thread. My opinion of your views is already on record, and I don’t wish to send this thread off in the same direction as the last one we crossed swords in.

  • Broga

    They could make a positive impression on me if they spoke out, as muslims, against slicing off baby girls clitorises. How many prosecutions so far?

  • Steve

    “They have made you so many curries and kebabs.”
    What?! Am I the only one who thinks THAT sounded a little racist?

  • Daz

    “The Muslim Council of Britain, the country’s largest Muslim organisation, has condemned the practice of female genital mutilation as “un-Islamic” and told its members that FGM risks bringing their religion into disrepute.”

    Also, I don’t know why FGM only gets raised when Muslims are under discussion. In Niger, for instance, over 50% of Christian women have been cut, while the percentage of cut Muslim women is somewhere down around 2 or 3%.
    As to prosecutions, it would seem that by far the majority of FGM practised, amongst all faith-groups, in the UK, is of the type IV variety; a token pin-prick or scratch. It’s hard to spot, hard to prove, and thus hard to prosecute. Most of the more serious cases found in this country would seem to have been 1st generation immigrants who were cut before ever coming here.
    None of which excuses sending out pamphlets encouraging people to, for instance, throw acid in the faces of Muslims.

  • andym

    “What?! Am I the only one who thinks THAT sounded a little racist?”
    There’s something very patronising about it ,isn’t there? And it’s making a decision that for millions of people with a variety of ethnic and geographic origins that the most important thing about them is the dominant religion in these origins.Would they even consider calling all white westerners “Christians?”

  • barriejohn

    I agree with most of the above comments. This is childish and condescending. We’re supposed to respect Muslims because they “contribute billions of pounds to our countries” (whatever that means). Shouldn’t we respect ALL people – including the poor, the sick, the old, the mentally and physically handicapped? That, surely, is the mark of a civilized society. And as for giving us “curries and kebabs” – words fail me!

  • AgentCormac

    I can absolutely understand that someone would want to counter the highly offensive ‘Punish a Muslim Day’ publication. But surely this isn’t how it should have been done. Trying to play racists at their own game is never going to end in a good place.
    And as some of the above comments illustrate, it’s all too easy for general opposition to religious dogma to become focused animosity against anyone who identifies as being from a certain religious group. Just like there are good and bad people in any any ethnic group, there are also good and bad people in any religious group. That’s human beings for you.
    And I totally agree with barriejohn’s assertion that we should respect anyone and everyone. But with one caveat: they should be willing to respect anyone and everyone too.
    As for immigrants and what they have added to British culture (curries, kebabs or otherwise), the following remains a brilliant piece of stand-up satire:

  • andym

    It’s not just people who self-identify as Muslim, though. If your family’s origins are a place where Islam is the biggest religion, you automatically get labelled as Muslim, by the media, racists and swathes of the liberal left. That’s even if you never attend a mosque, or do but don’t regard the procedures in there as important.

  • RussellW

    For the umpteenth time, Muslims are not members of a ‘race’,Islam is an ideology.
    I don’t now and never will, love Muslims, or Christians.As long as they don’t attempt to set up a theocracy or inflict their vile superstitions on humanity I can tolerate them.

  • Broga

    andym: You apparently think, contrary to my understanding, that FGM in the UK is “a token pin prick.” I hope that is true. Could you please tell me on what you base that statement? I read that FGM was sometimes done after the child was sent abroad into the hands of some “expert” or the same “experts” sometimes came here. No anaesthetic and the baby girl held down while she was mutilated.
    If you are right, and your opinion can be backed by evidence, then the agitation of many to have FGM stopped in the UK will be unnecessary. I thought the slicing was to preserve the woman’s virginity. However, that works.
    If there is no cause for concern in the UK and the torture of baby girls is not happening then we can focus on the killing of animals by bleeding them to death : halam.

  • RussellW

    I’d assumed that the slicing was to reduce women’s pleasure in sex,so they would be less likely to be unfaithful to their husbands (owners).

  • andym

    @Broga-That was Daz, not me.
    “For the umpteenth time, Muslims are not members of a ‘race’,Islam is an ideology.”
    …but it is racist to define someone as Muslim based on their ethnic origins and racial characteristics.

  • Daz

    I think you mean me, not andym? anyways:
    Turns out my memory is partly right, partly wrong:

    “… Of the newly recorded cases, 112 involved women and girls who were born in the United Kingdom.”
    “In 57 cases, the FGM was known to have been undertaken in the UK. Where the nature of the UK procedures was known, around 50 were genital piercings (FGM Type 4[6] – piercing).”

    My apologies for that. While the token scratch is also a subset of Type IV, that’s not what’s been reported, at least according to this NHS source (it’s a summary: the full report is linked from there), which is probably more reliable than most.
    It’s also worth noting, though, that while the total numbers are lamentably high, the number (of those known, of course, a caveat we should always keep in mind) which might reasonably be suspected to have been performed in this country are comparatively low; contrary to the shouty-headline scaremongering of the UK press who (a) falsely portray it, if only by insinuation, as a purely Muslim problem, (b) never distinguish between observed, relatively non-injurious practice and the grisly worst-possible, and (c) seem more interested in using it as a club to beat Muslims with than with the human rights violations themselves.
    Anyways, sorry to have misinformed. Whether it was my memory or a worse source, I don’t know, but mea culpa—I should have checked my facts. It’s not summat I’ve checked on for a while: it looks like I should update myself.
    I’d be shocked if some victims weren’t being hustled abroad to undergo it, but I’ve never seen any figures, and have hardly seen enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it happens much at all. Stories I’ve tried to trace have always seemed to dissolve into rumour and innuendo, often with an extremist racist/xenophobic whiff to them. The same goes for the “imported experts” scenario.
    Regarding the geography, so to speak, of FGM, Wikipedia has a good article:

  • Broga

    andym: My apologies. It was written in haste. No excuse but sorry.

  • Broga

    Daz: Thank you. I do not, for a moment, condemn all Muslims but I wish the Muslims who reject these vile practises spoke out. I suppose that carries risks for them.

  • Broga

    RussellW: Amazing. I would have thought pain for the woman would affect her sexual partner as well. I think in the UK in the past men going to war had some contraption locked round the woman’s genitals.
    And women who talked too much and annoyed their husband had a contraption locked between their jaws.

  • RussellW

    “it’s racist to define someone as Muslim…” Well, possibly, however the topic is Muslims not people who could be Muslims.
    The more misogynistic the culture the less the woman’s pain would matter. Ah yes, the famous chastity belt, I wonder if they were ever used.
    Allowing for the limitations of an old man’s memory. I remember watching a Dave Allen comedy program many years ago. A knight is about to go on Crusade and he’s locked his wife into a chastity belt, rather than take the key with him he decides to leave it with his most trusted servant.After the knight has travelled a few miles from his castle the servant catches up with him and says. “Sir knight, you gave me the wrong key!”

  • Cali Ron

    Broga : That would be the so called ‘chastity belt’, a barbaric and unsanitary practice. Without education mankind is just an instinctive animal, capable of the most vile and despicable actions to his fellow man. Given religious indoctrination he is still that man only now he’s subject to manipulation by religious leaders. Educate the man and teach him to reason, to think clearly and maybe he doesn’t kill his fellow man or destroy his own planet.

  • Stephen Mynett

    OT but at least we know Richard III’s mum was not always forced to wear a chastity belt. History would be a little different it she had, although I guess after the birth of her first born she probably was.

  • AndyM

    @RussellW.My point wasn’t just that people are having a religion decided for them based on race. It was more that this religion is assumed to be their most important defining characteristic.

  • 1859

    Lift off the mantle of ‘culture’, lift off the mantle of ‘religion’ and there you have us all, naked humans and the only thing that really, really should matter is the quality of our humanity. Unfortunately this quality of our humanity has so often been defined by the mantles of culture and religion. No, I’m not advocating nudism! However…on second thoughts…

  • Great Satan

    What ridiculousness – who on earth would want to love an ignorant and supremacist religion – mind you, there are some nice muslim women out there ! ;

  • Daz

    Turns out the chastity belt was quite possibly a myth, for the most part. The scold’s bridle was most certainly real.

  • RussellW

    Understood. However for many people their religion is indeed their most defining characteristic regardless of what identity others might assign to them.
    I’d include many Muslims in that category.

  • andym

    I can see possible parallels with church attendance in the UK and the way C of E numbers have slumped in the past 50/60 years. Could this be not just a decline in religious belief, but a lessening of social pressure to define oneself a “Christian?”That people didn’t feel as obliged to pretend they believed any more?

  • barriejohn

    Great Satan: It says “Love a Muslim”, not “Love Islam”!

  • Brian Jordan

    I wonder whether geographical mobility, within the UK, has had anything to do with the CofE’s decline? Once I was over the boundary into the next county, nobody from my family or neighbourhood knew (not that they cared) whether I went to church or not. Likewise, of course, they could then backslide without my knowing, had I been a zealot.
    OTOH, I once knew someone who, after he had moved to another county, was horrified to find the local RC priest on his doorstep.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Ya`f?r (also variously rendered as Ya’foor, Ya’four, `Ufayr, `Ofayr and so on, meaning “Deer” in Arabic) was a donkey used as a mount by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, who was said to have often ridden it bareback.
    There are many tales of this donkey but the most common one is that the donkey was a gift from the Byzantine governor of Egypt some time between 628 and 632 AD (8–11 AH).
    According to an Islamic tradition, it had the power of speech and told Muhammad that it was the last of a line of donkeys ridden by prophets and was a descendant of the donkey ridden by Jesus in his triumphal entry into Jerusalem, which was also called Ya`f?r.
    The tradition holds that Ya`f?r committed suicide in despair after Muhammad died by throwing itself into a well.
    Followers of Shia Islam believed that the Mahdi, the prophesied redeemer of Islam, would make his appearance in the company of Ya`f?r the donkey and Duldul the mule.
    In one uprising, a grey mule representing Duldul was paraded with a chair on its back for the Mahdi. In the lands where Sunni Islam was practised, Ya`f?r was repeatedly invoked in political and religious events for centuries after Muhammad’s death.
    A “prophet” active in Yemen during the 7th century usurped one of Muhammad’s own epithets, calling himself (or being called) the Sahib al-Himar, the “Master of the Ass”, which sounds like the title of a Porn movie.

  • barriejohn

    Brian Jordan: The Open Brethren pride themselves upon their not being a “denomination”, due to lack of an organised structure, but for many years now one of their publishing houses has produced a little book listing their “assemblies” in the British Isles, with addresses and contact details, and if any members move elsewhere and have any ideas of using their move as an excuse to disentangle themselves from their clutches, they can be sure to have a visit from the local elders to “prayerfully” seek their attendance. This is the way that God works!

  • andym

    “You can check out any time you like,But you can never leave!”

  • barriejohn

    @anym: Hahaha – so true! And it’s true of not only Christian sects like the Brethren, JWs, Mormons, etc., but fundamentalist religions like Islam and Hinduism, whose adherents believe that their children, in particular, “belong to” that religion and cannot renounce it. Read this disturbing story that appeared just recently: