Don't say there is no evidence for God

Deacon Duncan explains why claiming there is no evidence for God isn’t the best tactic when debating the existence of God. He says it encourages believers to give pseudo-evidence, which can be confused with real evidence to other believers.

It also ignores the fact that there is a large body of evidence against the Christian idea of God, like God not showing up in real life, the absence of miracles, the problem of evil, etc.

Anyway, it’s worth reading.

  • Jabster

    It’s quite a good read and I agree with the principle that the argument against there being a god is more than merely lack of evidence but strong evidence in favour that no god exists in the form that is suggested. The problem I do have with the article is how this works in reality when you have someone with a ultimate back-up argument of something along the lines of god works in ways that we cannot possible understand. It’s really difficult to argue in any real sense against that sort of statement. On a personal level I think that this approach if good for the not that committed/undecided but for “true”* Christians it’s just not possible to have any sort of rational argument.

    *Whatever that happens to mean!

  • Chayanov

    By the same token, I find the “God works in mysterious ways” and “I see evidence for God all around me” arguments to be equally uncompelling. On the other hand, I’m not trying to change the minds of believers — I’m just saying why, personally, I’m not one. I really don’t care if they believe or not, or if they accept my reasons or not.

  • Jabster

    @Chayanov: I’m certainly not trying to change the mind of the faithful as long as they keep their beliefs as a private issue that do not cross over into the public realm. Living in the UK this is fairly easy as this has long be considered the way to approach religion although in the last five to ten years there does seem to have been an upsurge in all religions trying to assert their supposed rights over others. From what I see that goes on other Western countries the USA seems to have the most overt cross over between religion and public life. A good example of the contrast can be seen between US politicians and the almost absolute need to declare their Christian belief and here in the UK where it’s considered a handicap to be strongly religious. A good example of this can be seen during the office of Tony Blair where his religious beliefs were actively not being aired in public leading Alstair Campbell to famously interput him during an interview and say “I’m sorry, we don’t do God.”

  • Chayanov

    One of the problems here is that the fundies feel the need to proselytize to everyone. If I say that I’m an atheist, or Jewish, or Hindu, they interpret that as me saying they should be an atheist, or Jewish, or Hindu, so it’s now upon them to convince me of the necessity of being their particular brand of Christian. We’re talking past each other, because one side doesn’t get it and the other side doesn’t care.

  • Janet Greene

    For me, the biggest problem with god was the presence of evil and suffering. Why did god answer my prayers to find my keys when he didn’t answer the prayers of a child in Somalia who has never known anything but war and loss? As an atheist, it now makes sense. When you realize there is no god, everything that was confusing suddenly falls into place.