Homosexual marriage: a ruse to persecute Christians?

Perhaps you thought that homosexuals want to get married because they love each other. No, no, no, says Chuck Colson, that can’t be right. Really they’re doing it because they hate Christians and want to persecute them:

It is all about equal rights, the gay “marriage” lobby keeps telling us. We just want the right to marry, like everyone else. 

That is what they are telling us. But that is not what they mean.

If same-sex “marriage” becomes the law of the land, we can expect massive persecution of the Church….

The coming persecution of Christians is one more reason why we need to get involved with efforts to pass laws at the state and federal level defining marriage as a legal relationship between one man and one woman.

When will Christians see they are the ones doing the persecution?

(via Evangelical Realism)

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  • andrew

    pisses me off…so sad.

  • Roger

    Yeah…how dare the government tell these organizations that they CAN’T discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation! It’s…it’s…it’s like telling them that they can’t discriminate on the basis of race! After all, didn’t Gawd separate the races for a reason?


  • http://blog.chungyc.org/ Yoo

    I wonder how they think they’re going to be persecuted. Do they seriously think that everyone is going to be forced into gay marriage? If not, I can’t imagine what kind of persecution they’re thinking of. (Persecution by preventing persecution?)

  • http://thinkingforfree.blogspot.com/ Eamon Knight

    I wonder how they think they’re going to be persecuted.

    I haven’t read the Colson article, but I would guess he’s afraid that churches will be forced to perform gay weddings, or face legal penalties. I have yet to hear (though I will admit I may not hang out in the right places) any gay-marriage advocate make such a demand, and I would be strongly opposed to it. As it stands, churches have the right to choose whom they marry (eg. only members, or only if you take their marriage prep course, etc.) and I think as it should be. Gays can either go to a gay-friendly church, or City Hall.

    But Colson & Co. have to spin everything into a persecution story.

    • Robert Hillier

      To Eamon Knight:

      So what if churches interpreted the bible such that black people could not marry each other in their church and that they would need to go to their own “black” churches.

      Oh right, stuff like this tried to happen in the past. We called it “segregation”.
      This is the same thing!

      All of these “cultural Christians” are starting to get on my nerves. They are using their religion to defend their fears and traditions and it’s starting to get ridiculous.

      So much for the golden rule, hey?

      • Elemenope

        The significant difference is that racism is not an explicit tenant of Christianity, whereas homophobia has a more direct basis in the faith. To be Christian is, in part, to treat the Bible as the Word of God; it take intellectual contortions to turn biblical Christianity into a racist ideology, but honestly it takes equivalent contortions to make biblical Christianity *not* a homophobic one.

        Since we (with good reason) have embedded rather strong protections for the free exercise of religion into Western societies, especially the US, it is likely that churches will continue (and I would hazard, should be able to continue, however odious it may be) to be hateful jerks on the issue of sexual orientation. You can’t make people be better people against their will, generally speaking, and suasion is almost always more effective over the long term than direct force. Some churches have already come around on their own, and they will slowly continue to do so (until, I predict, the Southern Baptists are all alone in their cold, dark cul-de-sac of pitiless hate; I think even the RCC will come around before them). In the meantime, the civil legal issue of *state* recognition of same-sex marriage should remain a secular matter in all aspects.

        • Robert Hillier

          Slavery was an explicit tenant of Christianity.

          It’s how they justified racism.

          Then racism became the tenant as it was blacks who were put in that position and then people defended the tradition in the name of religion.

          Things become explicit tenants of a religion solely through interpretation.

          Most Christians that say it’s their religion don’t really get their religion.
          They’re just cultural Christians.

          Cultural Christianity is the religion used to control the masses.

          • Hayl

            Okay, bottom line here in general is this:

            It doesn’t matter what religion you are. What sexuality. What race.
            We’re people. We have rights.

            Churches use their religion to defend things that mess with peoples’ rights. And that’s obviously wrong. The end.

  • Baka

    Yoo, you got it right. For people like this, to be disallowed from persecuting others is persecution against themselves. You see, it’s their calling in life to persecute, so by preventing that, we’re denying them their very purpose. If that’s not persecution, I don’t know what is.

    Also, don’t forget, these people thrive on a diet of constant self-delusion that, despite the fact that they are the most influential segment of the population, it’s really they who are the set upon minority. They have to invent scenarios whereby they can feel oppressed so that they can feel like martyrs.

    In the end, not one of their churches or ministers will ever be required by law to perform (or even recognize) a homosexual marriage. They will be free to be as bigoted and loathsome as they desire, and no one will force them to stop. But, of course, the fact that they will no longer be able to force others from exercising their freedom is a slight of monumental proportions.

    Someone should get Chuck Colson a footstool to help him get up onto his cross.

  • Roger

    The article (such as it is) attempts to say that opening the door to same-sex marriage will lead to the government “punishing” the poor, benighted Christians by telling them they have to do stuff like a) allow gays to adopt or b) yanking their cherished tax-exempt status if they push their religious nuttery into the public sphere.

    From the article:

    “Promoters of same-sex “marriage” seem to go out of their way to target Christian businesses and churches. Their goal, it seems, is not the right to “marry,” but to punish anyone who disagrees with them.

    Clearly, there is a spiritual battle going on here: Christians are under attack because they are a public witness to the fact that a holy God created us male and female, and we will always put obedience to Him and His laws above obedience to any earthly demand for loyalty. ”

    Really? Does Colson have ANY evidence to show that “promoters of same-sex marriage” are going out of their way to target Jeebus businesses and churches? Last I checked, when a bunch of Californian gays got married, they did so…at the courthouse. Of course, whenever Jeebus freaks are flat-out in the wrong, they claim a “spiritual battle”–it’s the religious equivalent of “In My Honest Opinion”–unjustifiable self-deluded bigotry cloaked in religious fervor.

  • http://cranialhyperossification.com GDad

    Christians have been feeling persecuted since the time of the Romans. It’s a very old song, and everyone knows the refrain. I think they need some new material.

  • http://livinginreply.blogspot.com Josh Lanning

    I am a christian and I say that yes christians have been doing the persecuting. We suck and most aren’t sorry but I am.

  • http://frogarchy.blogspot.com Ian

    I think the psychological term for what Mr. Colson is doing is “projection”.

  • Joel

    It’s amazing how a group of people can get so riled up about an ancient text, writted by a bunch of ignorant, bronze age goat herders. Oh well, that’s Christianity for you. This is just another typical example of abject bigotry and hatred masquerading as righteousness. I’m going to go induce vomiting.

  • Edman

    I think a part of the problem is that most homophobes have this odd belief that homosexuality is contagious, and that if they allow it to become widespread, they might catch The Gay.

    …or it could be a case of “methinks thou doth protest too much.”

  • Joel

    @ Edman

    Good point! I’m a teacher in NC. When a gay collaegue of mine left my school to further his education, another one of my co-workers told me that she was glad he wasn’t working around such “impressionable young men” anymore. I should have called her out for bigotted remark, but I chickened out and just shrugged my shoulders. Maybe it’s b/c she’s old enough to be my mother. My parents (regrettably) are the same way.

    • Thomas Ferranti

      If they dont think they are born that way and she believes its nurture, then why not round up all the straight parents of gays so we can studt them and find out what they did differently then those with straight kids, and quarantine them so that they aren’t “around such impressionable young” people anymore to badly influence them?


      Why doesnt anyone ever give em enough rope in that department?

      btw – i just believe it’s too simple for anyone at all to grasp for a very very long time; that every adult should have the right to marry any other adult they choose. (I never hear that anywhere, either).

      • Janet Greene

        The anti-gay movement uses the slippery slope argument. If we “permit” gays to marry, then people are going to want equal rights for polygamists and pedophiles. The difference, people, is this: Two people of the same gender are CONSENTING ADULTS in an EQUAL RELATIONSHIP. It has absolutely nothing in common with power-over relationships where one or more parties are exploited.

  • http://thinkingforfree.blogspot.com/ Eamon Knight

    I just got around to following the links above. For those who haven’t, I recommend:

    1) Go read Colson’s column, and the cases he cites, and you may begin to think he has a point.

    2) Now go read the post at Evangelical Realism — and see just how badly Colson lied about them.

    Colson was a liar when he worked for Nixon. Now he’s working for Jeeezuzzzz — and he’s still a lying scumbag.

  • http://www.wazzasworthlesswitterings.blogspot.com wazza

    I sometimes think anyone who cries “persecution!” should be actually persecuted, for a month or two, so they can see what it’s really like.

    Barring that, a prescription of Perspectivex Oral Daily might do it… “A pill a day takes your exaggerations away”*

    Eamon, do you think he might be working for Jesus because no one else will hire him?

    *Active ingredient Reality 500mg. May cause rationality, feelings of shame and diarrhoea.

  • http://www.sellingmyself428.blogspot.com Selling Myself

    Hmmm…that is exactly what I think too. Especially when I talk to my gay friends who just want to lead a normal life like the rest of us. I have never discerned a conspiracy theory or an intent to persecute anyone. Where do Christians fundies come up with this shit? Of course, Chuck Colson made it big in the conservative movement thanks to Focus on the Family. That explains a lot.

  • http://metroblog.blogspot.com Metro

    Writing from Canada, where equal marriage was made the law of the land, I can tell you Colson, for once in his loony, deluded, life, has it right!

    As of last year, Christianity was banned. Rabbis were being forced to marry gay folk dressed as Nazis, and hamsters are now sold only in brown paper bags out of the “adult” sections of local pet shops.

    In what I’m sure is a totally unrelated development, an enormous volcano opened under our Paliament buildings and a gigantic Beast leapt out of it, demanding a sacrifice of a thousand virgins and insisting that we all get a tattoo.


  • VorJack

    Metro -
    That’s absurd. Everyone knows that a hamster would chew through a brown paper bag in half a second.

  • Cecilia

    I’m sorry that Prop 8 was passed. =( Isn’t it grand that marriage is in need of protection, when not all people even have equal protections and are still waiting for inclusion in “liberty and justice for ALL”.

    Some Christians confuse morales with individual rights, and think that Christians should have the right to impose their morale beliefs onto others. If they aren’t given that right (at the expense to the rights of everybody else), then they feel they are being persecuted against.

    We are all supposed to love Christians and love their oppression, hatred, sense of supremecy and pretend like their sh*t doesn’t stink to high heaven. After all, they are Gods gift to the planet and the only ones going to heaven and they are so sure they’ve earned their way that instead of worrying about their own sins and morality, they have nothing better to do than worry about everyone elses and impose the beliefs that they don’t follow onto everyone else.

    Of course, they don’t get it that people simply get fed up with their lack of respect of others, resentments fester and whoa when the oppressed try to get included in the individual rights deal – they are being persecuted against!. It’s as simple as the concept of “your rights end where the rights of another begin” or their own “Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you”. Or maybe some Christians really want all the various “heathens” knocking on their doors to preach to them about their personal beliefs and have their beliefs actually imposed upon them?

    This doesn’t apply to all Christians, just some of them – the ones who wouldn’t have the slightest clue.

  • Janet Greene

    I’m tempted to laugh at this, but there’s too much truth to this. This is really what many christians think! How arrogant, how narcissistic. It’s all about them. Christians have murdered more people in 2000 years than almost any religion in history. All for a good cause, though – conversion to christianity. The witch trials, the inquisition, the murder of african americans and first nations – all these people were killed to save their eternal souls I guess. Today, you have to say you’re a christian to get elected in the US. A former president of the US (the first Bush) says that atheists shouldn’t even be citizens, let alone run for public office. And they’re the ones being persecuted?

  • SayBlade

    I find it strange that a man from a Godless country like the USA has the gall to criticise Canada, a nation that recognises the supremecy of God in its constitution and values faith and the cross in its national anthem. Colson picks a specific situation or a single personal encounter and twists it to his own ends. Same-sex marriage is recognised and affirmed in Canada, but it does not force Christian churches to do anything differently than they have before with regard to marriage. Missing from Colson’s assertions that Christian churches will be persecuted is whether Muslim, Jewish or any other faith groups will be persecuted because they do not affirm same-sex marriage. Colson’s brand of Christianity has more in common with ultra conservative Islam and ultra conservative Judaism than he will admit.