Rick Warren Lies on Larry King

Here Rick Warren lying on Larry King:

I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been. I never will be. During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.


And here is Rick doing exactly what he said he didn’t do in October 2008:

Let me just say this really clearly. We support Proposition 8. And if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8…. We should not let 2% of the population change the definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and religion for 5,000 years. This isn’t a Christian issue, it’s a humanitarian issue…. So I urge you to support Proposition 8 and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this, but everybody knows what I believe about it.

The Internet never forgets, Rick.


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  • Reginald Selkirk

    the definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and religion for 5,000 years.

    Except of course, for the early Mormons. And the Biblical patriarchs. And…

  • LRA

    I’m not surprised. Hypocrisy, like the persecution-complex, is a normal part of religion, especially the christian one.

  • Roger

    He is a bloated imbecile who knows nothing about the very tradition he claims to represent. And he’s a bigot in sheep’s clothing.

  • It’s always damned funny when absolutely blatant lies come out. If he was on the show of a real journalist, the second clip would have been played…

  • Why am I not shocked by this?

  • xian-x

    “…there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar…”

  • Tiffany

    It’s scary that people such as he reproduce.

  • Shelly

    I just want one of them to explain their positions. Stop the lying, stop the hating, and just explain why gay marriage is going to hurt them in any way, and without using any bible reference. It seems nobody can even do that. They hate a whole group of human beings with no cause, other than maybe”thinking about gay sex is icky”. Guess they can’t control their own thoughts?

    • c

      Rick is a liar, and as a Christian it is upsetting to see him as a leader cower when there is a little public pressure on him. Just because someone rejects homosexuality, doesn’t mean they are doing so in hate of the homosexuals. God hates sin but loves the sinner… enough so that he took the death penalty of sin in our place. That is love. God created man and woman as a perfect blend of strengths, emotions, physical harmony, interests, and to multiply, sharing in the beauty and awe of creating life together, and nurturing their children into adulthood. To distort His creation and His intent, is to distort or pervert His will.
      Christ makes it very clear that homosexuals, as well as liars and adulturers will have no place in heaven. However, recognizing the sin is the biggest step. Repenting, or turning around, from the sin and asking God’s forgiveness, is key, whether it be for the sin of homosexuality, adultry, or being a liar.

  • Good grief, a US television priest who’s a liar?! I can hardly believe it!


  • Devysciple

    The Internet never forgets […]

    True, but brainwashed believers in religion do, as well as voters, as we all (or at least most of us) do, as can be seen in the infamous saying “Ahh, the good old times…”

    Sadly, this behaviour seems to be hardwired into us, believing what we want to believe in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (e.g. “God exists”, “Candidate X will surely improve my personal situation”, “Military service was such a great time in my life”, and so on).

    If it were otherwise, religion and politics would be way different today (and people would perhaps be even more depressed, if they had to recall their lives the way they really happened).

  • Question-I-thority

    …the definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and religion for 5,000 years….

    Three problems here:
    1) The definition of marriage across cultures has been anything but monolithic;
    2) Homosexual people and partnerships have been accepted in many cultures. The Lacotas come to mind. Their Spring Sun festival could not take place without gay priests. Also, in pre-missionary Hawaii, men were allowed to set up households together; and,
    3) Just because something has had fairly broad acceptance in the past doesn’t mean it should continue. Otherwise we would be stuck with slavery, women and children as chattel, authoritarian governance, etc.

    In every single culture and religion for the past 5,000 years the definition of church did not have the word mega in it. I say we vote to limit the size of congregations! :)

  • Brent

    After reading the post, I was about to agree with the point until I watched the videos. I think it’s pretty clear that what he was saying to Larry King was that he never endorsed Prop 8 for the two years leading up to the vote UNTIL THE WEEK BEFORE the vote when he was approached by members of his church. Blast him for his position if you’d like, but the Larry King interview doesn’t conflict with his previous statement. Perhaps he misspoke, but this wasn’t an intentional lie.

  • RobotzAreAwesome

    Even when I was a believer, I always suspected this man was a fat money grubbing whoremongral.

  • Niva Tuvia

    That’s twisted. But it’s not like he’s the only public figure to contradict himself embarassingly. It’s not that big of a deal. He just has no idea what he’s talking about. That’s definetely not new.

  • brgulker

    1) God commands Christians to be truthful.
    2) Christians are not always truthful.
    3) Therefore, God does not exist.


    For the record, big boo boo on Warren’s part, especially with all the media attention he’s received lately.

  • Why?

    Why, why, why can’t a world-known TV personality with his own TV show and a full team of competent people behind him manage to do what one person with nothing but an internet connection and a vocabulary can do in mere minutes?

    Why is it so hard for media to do what media is supposed to do? Why do we have to write our own news, because actual news organizations have forgotten what the word even means?

    Why do we let media help people like this so transparently, so obviously? Why are people like Rick Warren able to go on TV without being exposed in seconds?

    This makes me so infuriated…

  • brgulker

    I think there might be a bit of flexibility here.

    Warren admits that when approached about the issue, he spoke his mind (put it in a note?).

    If this YouTube video is his response, then he might actually be telling the truth.

    We would have to assume, however, that he misspoke on Larry King and should have said video, not note, and we would also have to assume that the second video was his response to a question, not necessarily volunteered activism.

    From my perspective, it’s unlikely but possible that this all happened. We simply don’t have enough information in these two YouTube videos to know for sure.

    Moreover, it’s entirely possible that Warren thinks that answering a question via flash video is not the same thing as being an activist. Frankly, I’m not sure what activist means sometimes either.

    I have opinions and share them often, but I’m not sure that makes me an activist for any of those ideas/causes.

    Anyway, I think there’s a lot more room for doubt and skepticism about this post that is being allowed, which is sort of ironic given the purpose of the blog.

  • claidheamh mor

    He is a bloated imbecile who knows nothing about the very tradition he claims to represent. And he’s a bigot in sheep’s clothing.

    Why am I not shocked by this?

    Good grief, a US television priest who’s a liar?! I can hardly believe it!

    I always suspected this man was a fat money grubbing whoremongral.

    Aw, man, everyone’s already expressed exactly the revulsion I had at this bloated, dishonest dude. So I just have to second the motions in one big homo-commie-pot-jizzporium, because that phrase may be the only laugh I get out of this hypocrisy.

    Dan Savage’s website created especially for Warren

    Christ, he could hear the pronouncements, couched in sanctimonious platitudes made by men like Congdon who concealed filthy decisions under respectable titles.
    -The Matarese Circle
    by Robert Ludlum

  • Just another religious huckster making it big by playing off phobia and fear. He”s as two-faced as Elmer Gantry and as phony as the Resurrection.

    Wonder what secrets Pastor Rick has in his holy life?

  • reformedfred

    Anyone noticing how much RW is starting to look like Jerry Falwell? scary.

  • Yes, but he’s not a real Christian…

  • Annie

    Since when is marriage a humanitarian issue? And how ironic that he would advocate discriminating against a group of people by claiming it is humanitarian.

  • The government has no place in deciding who is a family, or who can marry.

    At the time President Obama was born, it would have been illegal for his parents to have been wed in 16 of the states. In 1967 bigots said “Protect the sanctity of marriage: No interracial marriage.” In 2009 bigots of the same ilk say “Protect the sanctity of marriage: No gay marriage.”

  • LRA
  • Framtonm

    Cripes, that’s like (Rev.) Ian Paisley saying that he had never made an inflammatory statement in his life. After calling Catholics in Ireland the, ‘Damnable acolytes of the Anti-Christ!’
    Ah, Xtian tolerance – doncha just love it?

  • vorjack

    Well, the blog ‘Pam’s House Blend’ has a post up: “True believers are angry at Rick Warren’s ‘betrayal'”. Seems there’s some backlash from the other side.

    Warren has be trying to walk a very fine line in his quest to be the next Billy Graham. He can’t piss off his base, but he doesn’t want to end up as the next Falwell.

    He should take a lesson from the way Graham tentatively supported, then had to back away from, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Sometimes you can’t have it both ways.

  • Zotmaster

    I guess this is kind of an asshole statement, but if Christian leaders don’t seem to believe in the Bible, why should anyone else?

  • einquisitive

    I don’t see what the big deal is anyway. If we ban gay marriage because it is a sin to sleep with other men, then we should ban alcohol too because getting drunk is a sin. There is no faith if you are forced to be righteous by the government.

    I know Rick Warren knows the truth (how could he not), he just lacks the boldness to say it and to deal with the consequences.

  • Prophetic Cowboy

    False Prophet-Straight to Hell!!!! Yahweh will pour out His Wrath soon!!!!

  • Not a good thing when a Christian and an atheist have similar blog posts – and agree!

    Yep, sadly Rick Warren lied.

    But he’s still my brother.

  • “custador

    If we accept that not all Christians are fundamentalist IDiots and Creatins, will you accept that not all atheists are frothing-at-the-mouth Christopher Hitchins wannabes? Seems a reasonable trade to me…”

    Okay, I accept!

  • LRA

    “Carlotta, I say no thanks to your blog. I gave it a quick skim over and I can tell that you don’t exactly base your opinions on reason. When you throw out terms like “normal family” when discussing feminism, you fail to understand that the norms you are talking about aren’t actual norms (except on 1950s-1980s sitcoms).

    Also, you are a hypocrite. Jesus commanded you to love your “enemies”, not hate them. Further, these “enemies” are your neighbors– and you are commanded to love your neighbor as yourself.”

    LRA, when on a Christian blog, you have to remember when Christians talk about the “norm” it’s always in relation to what the bible considers normal. So, it’s actual norms but from a biblical perspective.

    Besides, if you took the time to go through my blog, you would have found that there are national statistics of the family that support the “biblical norm” of family – biological father and mother as BEST for children. The feminist norm isn’t what’s best for families in other words. (see childtrends.org and Mapping America)

    As far as hating my enemies – where do I say I hate any atheists? I hate your belief system. That’s why I injected the word “ideology” because thats what I hate in atheism. Not the person.

  • missbombay

    The first marriage that most people around the world have heard about is Adam and Eve. There was only one woman and only one man. Even though polygamy was accepted to a certain extent by majority of the cultures during the time of the Old Testament era and practiced in certain religions after the time of Christ, most civilizations will agree to the fact that marriage is better suited for one man and one woman. Studying history of the polygamy heritage, there seems to be more than its share of headaches and sorrows within this acceptance of lifestyle and choice. It doesn’t take very long to find problems of dysfunctionality within polygamy. It is hard enough with one man and one woman trying to get along with each other but add another individual to the mix and you will get a fine surprise.

    As far as homosexuaity – this lifestyle was looked down upon even though it was practiced by many cultures. Without our modern technology of medicine and science, it would be impossible to procreate without both natural genders. Without in-vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, insemination, procreation would cease to exist between two lesbian partners and likewise with two gay partners. The penis that is made to create life should not be used to put into place that disposes the death of excremenates. That is not natural. Men and women were intended to compliment each other in various ways as well as sexually. If you were to start humanity in an area where there was no people there, would you bring two women or two men to start the population? No, that would be out of the question. You would bring a man and a woman.

    Someone mentioned above that lying is a sin. Well, the author who created that particular commandment was also the one who said homosexuality was a sin and an abomination.

  • mamorrow

    Yes, your right the Author who said lying is a sin also said that homosexuality is a sin. But he also said several other interesting things. “Judge not or ye be judged” “He without sin cast the first stone.” Also, homosexuality isn’t mentioned in the ten commandments, but lying is, which in my way of thinking makes it a much bigger sin….don’t you think?

    Luckily we won’t have the problem of not having procreation, because their are STILL straight people, and to say that somehow having Gays will stop that is laughable. Most people are straight, there have always been Gay people in all society and all times. Allowing them to Marry isn’t going to increase their numbers, and its not going to decrease the amount of straight people who get married and have children.

  • Is this discussion about a false minister or about sex and society? Typical of Daniel’s posts it inflames to distort the issues. Kind of a Rush Limbaugh theatrical website and all about “unreason”.

    I’ll comment on sexuality when its in the right context.

  • “Bill

    American Psychilogical Association also disagrees.


    Annotations include empirical studies.

    You are going to have to do better than the Mapping America Project, which is nothing more that the Family Research Council’s attempt to demonize gay parenting.”

    Bill, is that your only reason for disavowing the statistical data from Mapping America because of their results showing that gay parenting is less effective than biological parenting overall?

    The bottom line is that people are going to support whatever data they can find that agrees with their beliefs. You have two groups of social engineers that disagree with one another so who’s telling the truth?

    This is another topic for another time but feel free to comment on my blog topic: The Negative Effects of Gay Marriage that covers that very discussion, or Daniel can start a discussion here or direct us to a older post to discuss it.

  • mamorrow

    I happen to be Christian. Maybe not by your definition since I support gay marriage. Pointing out Rick Warrens Lie isn’t to judge him but to show that he is being a hypocrite. I think as a Christian people should be worried about their own, individual sins instead of making laws and policy to regulate the sins of others. I also think using the name of Jesus in politics is the definition of using the Lords name in vain. If Christian’s spent less time involved with the GOP on issues like gay marriage and more time helping the poor, hungry and sick, society would be much better off. I think that Christianity’s decline in our society can be directly linked to its involvement in politics.

    • Stephanie, Stephanie, Stephanie…you’re rambling.

      Aside from that, if you didn’t watch what the man said, how can you possibly say he did not lie? You just know? Blind Faith? Well, screw that! Watch and weep, lady.

      Rick Warren clearly stated on Larry King that he did not do exactly what we see him doing in the next video. Period. HE’S A BIG FAT LIAR…unless that is a muppet that looks and sounds just like him there in the second video. =P

    • c

      It’s because Christians have sat on the sidelines for too long acting only on the defense, that our country has slipped into moral depravity. Our freedoms only exist in the first place because God gave us our rights. We as a people recognized that, and our representatives recorded it. The people were given the gift to create our own government. We created the federal and state governments as “part” of the government with specific and limited responsibilities…. we, the people are the government… the government is “of” us. The created thing is not greater than the creator. The chain of command was recognized then as God, the creator of the people, and the people creator of our government. Christians following God’s laws are why we even have a Constitution and Bill of rights…. they were written with God’s laws as the foundation.
      The people designed our government as a republic… not as a democracy. A republic will guarentee one’s rights much stronger than a democracy will, because a republic is set in the written “rule of law”. It is established and can only be changed through legislation. However, a democracy is a simple majority rule, whch means if 51% of the people decide to steal your property, mob rule wins…. No due process.
      So… thank the Christians and their faith in God for our freedoms. Our forefathers got down on their knees and spent many hours in prayer as they put together those documents.They were activists in the faith. Our problem today is that the Christians have bought into the passive atttude while forgetting that their responsibility as a good steward of their gift requires them to be “active” in the government. This government, by design, is “of” the people. We are the government… not just onlookers, but partakers of it.

  • Funny this! Yet another Christian minister is caught up in a pack of his own lies. We’ve seen it many times before, and no doubt we’ll see it again.

    The saddest part in most of these cases is not that lies were told, but that when these supposed men of God are confronted with irrefutable proof of their dishonesty, they still cannot admit that they have told a lie. Neither can most of their supporters. Every rationalization will be attempted to rewrite history and twist the truth in order to save face.

    I think if they want to demonstrate even a glimmer of integrity they would realize the best thing to do is to put up their hands in surrender and say, “You caught me. I lied. I admit it.”

  • I recant my defense of Warren, because I finally know (assuming this link is legit, seems to be) the source of the second video posted here. It’s clearly meant to be “public” in that it was meant to be distributed to congregants and apparently the web at large.


    Turns out giving him the benefit if the doubt was a mistake in judgment on my part…

  • ProphecyProvesHim

    As a radical Christian, here’s my perspective. I’ve known Rick Warren was corrupt from years back…
    [In fact, I believe, that most (not all) of big Christian leaders (those in the media limelight or leaders of huge megachurches) are corrupt, just as I believe most any politician that makes it as high as President is probably quite corrupt, Obama not excepted–I could also provide video footage of him being caught on DVD clearly lying–and in the most dangerous fashion–VERY convincingly…]
    But Warren is the topic, and any Christian who has truly studied their Bible should’ve known SO much was wrong with Warren’s teachings from The Purpose Driven Life (at least–never heard of him before that) and getting worse in the years since then (his endorsement of the Common Word Document, amongst other things).
    I’m GLAD he was caught in this lie, because he’s hoodwinked SO many “Christians” (some real, many not)… I’ve personally never understood his popularity from ANY perspective but the Americanized, watered down, compromised “church” bought him hook, line & sinker largely because the TRUTH is most “Christians” aren’t real Christians, or at best are Biblically illiterate, often gullible and often also are “following God” more for themselves than truly in obedience to God…
    (and many are tragically legalistic)
    Anyway, Jesus said there were many who would make a mockery of His Name, both “Christians” and atheists…

    I’ve only read through maybe a dozen of this blog’s comments as so little time–to be sure I’ll read any responses to me please email me at michaelsrose1@juno.com. God bless y’all–even those of you who don’t believe in Him!

  • Stephanie

    He is not an activist with any anti gay group or group working to stop gay marriage. He IS the pastor of a church and does have the right to talk to or give instruction to the members. He does that on a regular basis about a variety of subjects. This was just one of them.

    He brought up what the Bible says and told members what they should do because of that. He did not force anyone to do it tho – he did not demand they leave his church if they didn’t vote in accordance with the Bible. Nor did he require them to tell him how they voted and post a list of names of those members who voted differently.

    i didn’t see the show, so don’t know what all he said, but he is clear that he wasn’t an activist. Talking to the church members
    does not change that.

    that does not make him a liar.

    Some posted about other activities etc in the Bible and things people (Christians) do now. Many of those things were changed in the NT. Also, many people who claim to be a Christian don’t even read the Bible or believe it is true. They would have no idea some of that is in the Bible – or what they are or are not supposed to do or what is in the NT that changes any of it. They might know the 10 commandments – but probably not much else. Probably couldn’t get all 10 correct either.