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Pastor Cody shows us how “a man of God” should answer questions:
That one guy looks and acts like Glenn Beck.
“Sarcasm is not something I appreciate …”
The whole video was funny, but that part in particular was great!
And actually, it’s annoyed me so much that I’m giving serious consideration to converting to Islam.
Pastor Cody (translated): “Don’t question the word of God, then I want have to brow-beat you about asking questions in the first place.”
Is Pastor Cody related to Weird Al Yankovic? Because he really, really sounds like him in his video. Which is sad, because I respect Al.
Mockery is always the best way to answer a sincere question asked of you in regards to matters of such weightiness as religion. ALWAYS.
Well, It actually wasn’t a sincere question. it was a good question, but not a sincere one.
Some Grey Bloke is not really a “new Christian”, and Pastor Cody picked up on this.
There’s no indication that he picked up on this and it’s still a legitimate question. I think if a real christian has asked him this, he would have responded the same way.
I kept hoping this Pastor Cody guy was some sort of joke or parody, but I’ve seen other people just as for real and just as ridiculous. What a bozo.
Wow how can anyone actually call that an answer.
humm, well, in Reform Judaism its taught that God was aware and that that was the intent. Oh yeah, and see, there were 2 trees with them, knowledge and immortality. Guess Pastor Brick Wall is unaware of that part. But this is the sort of thing that makes me an Agnostic, makes my head hurt too.
Adam and Eve were permitted to eat from the tree of life, but apparently did not. Genesis seems to suggest that had they eaten of both trees, they would be like God.
So if God chose to leave Adam and Eve there not knowing the outcome while he was off doing something else (like creating all those other tribes that suddenly show up when Adam and Eve are cast out of Eden), he was leaving quite a bit up to chance. If Eve had happened to eat some fruit from the tree of life before the serpent convinced her to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Christians would all be polytheists.
So yeah, that is what Christians actually believe. Or something like that.
there were 2 trees with them, knowledge and immortality.
Given that choice, I’d choose knowledge in a heartbeat.
I don’t understand why God punished Adam and Eve for doing something they didn’t know was wrong. Yes, God told them not to do it, but without the “knowledge of good and evil” they didn’t know that disobedience was a sin. Seems to me they were set up.
Agreed. It was clearly a setup. Why did he even put the tree there in the first place if they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit? What did he think was going to happen? “You can have any fruit, but not these special fruits.” And then he basically says, “I’ll be back later Curious George. Stay out of trouble.” Uh-huh.
Yeah, even Jews acknowledge the set-up. They say it was what was meant to happen. They have no notion of original sin related to this event. It is just the impetus of the struggle of humans to gain wisdom and truth.
That Christians entirely miss the set-up is an astounding display of cognitive dissonance.
Even most Catholics, while placing moral responsibility on the poor besotted human couple, still consider it a planned event and even a *good* event. It is sometimes referred to as felix culpa, the “fortunate sin”.
okay, serious question — is that Pastor Cody for real, or is he in on this video? ie, a character made up for that response?
i really can’t tell.
Based on the pastor’s response, I’m not sure whether he answered honestly or not…
Plus, I think the whole Adam and Eve tale is a load of bull. I’m all for logic and science and math and the sort. I also don’t get why people are so passionate about religions. There are so many of them- how are people SO sure that theirs is the correct one… Oh well.
The pastor is a whackadoodle.
I kept waiting for Pastor Cody’s eyes to explode out of his head…
Save for the most devoutly delusional, most Christians adopt the dogma and parts of the Bible that don’t interfere with their daily life and validate their predetermined world view, respectively.
Most do not truly believe because it conflicts with a more basic human instinct: not looking like an idiot.
But when one has discarded his identity, reputation and standing in this world, when he lives as a stranger, a foreigner here during his time on earth, when he forsakes who he thought he was, who this world told him he was in favor of the Truth (Himself) he finds the liberty in the new (true) identity he has gained far outweighs that which he gave up. There is no comparison, he happily counts himself a fool no longer fearing the ridicule of man, he much prefers the praise of God (who lives within).
This is the meaning of the Christ’s words “if you seek to save your own life (psuche meaning natural, earthly, soul life here) you will lose it, but if you lose your life for my sake you will find it”. Ah the paradox, its beautiful, its the liberating secret.
Living your life thinking it’s just a prequel for Special Happy After-Death Land, and pretending some magic sky fairy made you out of the dirt *is* living in this world as a stranger. You’ve separated yourself from the earth, your fellow creatures, and the material universe. I’m part of that. Apes are my cousins. Sadly, the Discovery Channel has canceled Orangutan Island, but when it was on, I watched my red ape cousins forming a society for the first time. They learn from each other, and help each other in a way that they learned from humans. Wild orangutans don’t form societies.
I am very much part of this world. That is what I have. What do you have? A book. A bunch of papers that tell you you’re special, and that you will be rewarded when you’re dead. And you sit here happily proclaiming yourself a fool. Yeah, I’ll go along with that.
What do I have? It’s more like…Who. That’s the offer, His life (which is life) within, not a “book”. Heidi dear, you don’t know that which you think you despise. You have seen the religious do-goody hypocrite types and have (wisely) said “no thanks” to that kind of life (which is no life at all). But Christ didnt come to bring religion (rules, rituals, etc) but rather light and life. No such thing as a “sky fairy”, the kingdom of heaven is within us, not up in the sly. Its not found in a church building or some religion. The Life that Christ offers is not a “after death” life, its an eternal quality of life in the here and now, an ever-increasing kingdom…within.
“The Life that Christ offers is not a “after death” life, its an eternal quality of life in the here and now, an ever-increasing kingdom…within”
i’ve heard some serious bullshit before but this is just special. it’s like bullshit being used to rationalize even stinkier bullshit
“the kingdom of heaven is within us, not up in the sky” so when you die there is no heaven? you don’t get whisked by angels into the bosom of Abraham? what about hell, is that “an ever increasing kingdom…within” too?
heaven is either a metaphor or a real place you can’t have it both ways by saying heaven is within us when we all know that the bible/Christianity teaches heaven as an actual place
i call bullshit on you John C
Heaven is not a “place” in the sky but a realm, a heavenly meaning spiritual realm. When the people kept looking for a physical kingdom and king, He told them the truth (which is what He is) saying “the kingdom of heaven does not come with observation, for the kingdom of heaven is within you”. Luke 17.21.
So David says in the psalms “what is man that thou are mindful of him”? There is more to the constitution of man than what our (physical) eyes can see. The metaphor that needs understanding here is not “heaven” but “heart”, ie Christ being joined and one with a man’s (regenerated) spirit. 1 Cor 6.17.
Your only reference for man(kind) is what you have seen in the here and now. But the man that God see’s (in his glorious, original intention) is the pre-fall man, prior to the entrance of sin (death). Sin marred us up. This is what Christ restores a man to, that original, high position in the spirit. We can either live from our own (soul) lives or from His indwelling (eternal quality of life not subject to death and decay) its our choice. I have lived from both and promise you the latter is much preferred, no bs.
Why would I spend my time and your’s lying to you? What possible benefit would either of us gain from that? You gain from my quarter century of seeking, longing, coming to know the deeper things of the spirit, the truth.
It seems to me that John C is using that favourite combination of theists who have a theological bent: Bible quotes plus obscure language. The quotes can be looked up to see if the context is really relevant, and we can try to make sense of them. The words, however, though they are indeed English, and we might suppose we know what they mean individually or even as part of comprehensible phrases, our effort will be fruitless. John C is using language as a kind of all-embracing metaphor, where words have any meaning the writer desires, poetically obfuscating any chance of reliable communication. The purpose of such language is not to promote clarity but to impede it. It’s all part of the grand theological conspiracy to convince us that “theology is too deep for the likes of us.”
John, dear, DON’T patronize me.* It’s disgusting and offensive. You are doing the very thing you just denounced, oh hypocritical John. You have no idea what I “despise.” You have no idea what I’ve “seen.” And you have no idea why I don’t believe. Hint: it’s none of the reasons you just made up.
The main reasons I am not in your little desert cult include 1.) Zero supporting, evidence, but plenty of contradicting evidence. 2.) Your god is evil. Ask the Egyptian firstborns. Oh, wait. You can’t. Your god of love, who is also your beloved Jesus, murdered them in cold blood. It says so in your book. So even if you proved beyond all possible doubt that he was real, I would not worship him.
There are many other reasons, but those are the big two. I say “no” to you. I say “no” to evil desert monsters. I say “no” to belief without evidence. But I also say “no” to Thor, who is pretty cool. I say “no” to Apollo, who supposedly brings the sun, which I can actually see. I say “no” to leprechauns whether or not someone tells me they have a pot of gold.
You spout nonsensical gibberish, pretending you have some great Truth™ that you must continually verbally regurgitate. You pretend that no one really understands your poor little belief system, and assume that if they did, then clearly they would be just like you. You annoy and offend people around you, as you just offended me with your baseless assumptions, and as you obviously offended Sunny Day who called you a scumbag. And at the end of the day, you still have a grand total of nothing. I pity your delusions. I really do.
*In case you didn’t catch it the last time I said this to you, that is not a photo of me. I am a 3d artist, and Brooke is one of the characters I created. I use my characters as avatars so that people who only know me from my work will recognize me. I am not twelve, or however young you think I am. I am actually a grown-up with grown children. So please stop trying to play “old wise mentor who warps the little kid’s mind.”
No “patronizing” intended…honestly. The killing of the first born egyptians that you referenced is allegorical and it represents your (and my) old nature, the one we were born into. Notice the tie in with the “passover” lamb that same night, it represents the “great exchange”.
I never said anything to Sunny, he just called me a name like most do here for no reason. I dont retaliate…ever.
I wish you all the very, very best Heidi, I really do and I honor, value you, your “life” experiences and collective thoughts. All the best.
Of course. Everything squishy or inconvenient in the whole book is allegory or metaphor. Just keep making up excuses, and it won’t be evil after all. Abraham didn’t end up having to kill Isaac, so that’s ok. Jepthah was the one with the idea to kill whatever comes out of his house. It’s not up to god to trip the little kid so a goat walks out first. Or to say “hey, I don’t want any dead kid sacrifices so knock it off.” The bears that mauled the 42 little children for teasing Elisha about his bald head were clearly a metaphor for.. um… something. I know, their hearts were distant from the Magic Kingdom! Yeah, that’s it.
The plagues, and locusts? Metaphor. The razing of Jericho? Allegory. That time god wiped out everyone in the world except for Noah’s family? Metaphor again. Directions for how much you are allowed to beat your slaves? That was for a different time, before god knew that slavery was evil. No wait… god always knew everything because he’s perfect. Um… There were different rules then, and since people were going to have slavery out of “free will” then god had to give them rules about how hard and how much to beat them. Yeah. Um…
The bits that command you to kill the infidels, children who curse their parents, a guy who picks up firewood on Sabbath, or anyone who lives in a town where someone believes in another god… they’re out of context. Uh-huh.
And when god has the lion kill the guy who wouldn’t hit the prophet? That’s just a lesson about obedience and that you must always do what you’re told and never question your religious leaders. (Ok, that probably is what that is, which doesn’t stop it from being evil.)
Destroying Job’s life and murdering his family in order to win a bet? God’s will. It was a test. The part in Hosea where god hates the children of Israel and will cause their babies to die or never be conceived is metaphor.
“My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)” Allegory.
Should I keep going? It’s nowhere near a comprehensive list. All the excuses in the world can’t wash the blood from the hands of the evil desert god.
The OT? It’s like this: Each man within himself has Moses & the Israelites, the Sadducees & the Pharisees, the Patriarchs and the kingdom of heaven & hell. Thus the events described in the bible, and looked upon by the pious as being things of a past history, are actually descriptions of eternal processes taking place within the constitution of man…himself.
So He says He is Love (1 Jn 4.8) but you say different so you will have what YOU say. Heidi…I bet you love your kids (grown or otherwise) dearly as do I mine. Our love doesnt begin to compare to God’s love.
We are caught up in a drama that we dont fully comprehend. All the best to you and your’s.
Apparently, we have different definitions of the word love.
And, if the whole book is just a bunch of symbolism, then I may as well read something else. There’s plenty of symbolism in Camus, for example, plus Arab killing.
Because as cynic said, you can’t have it both ways. If the OT is all metaphor, then it invalidates the NT. No original sin = no need to nail up Jesus as a scapegoat.
More lying, more condensation from scumbag John C.
LOL and more misspelling from me
this guy is a total douchebag
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